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     Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2502 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Old Mister: [refering to Shug] She black as tar, nappy-headed, got legs like baseball bats, and I hear she got that nasty women's disease. Magic Johnson says: "I'll take some of that" Magic Johnson, with his cootie carrying ass, was on The Jimmy Kimmel Show. Jimmy had the nerve to ask this negro pimpin' bastard, what he thought about the Tiger Woods incident. Magic's inconsiderate ass, had the nerve to throw a black woman in the fray. He had the nerve to put his wife Cookie, back in the fire. Hadn't she faced enough humiliation and scrutiny? Wasn't it.... Cont...... http://careycarey-carrymehome.blogspot.com/2009/12/color-purple-tiger-woods-and- magic.html | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 10456 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
Carey, I enjoyed your blog. Although I think most will follow it, I wish you have quoted or paraphrased what Magic said about how his wife Cookie would have responded were she married to Tiger because I think that would really help to emphasize the point you were making. Like you, I find it to be somewhat gauche of Magic - of ALL people - to discuss how Black women should or would respond to infidelity. Because given that his reckless screwing around could have very easily dealt to Cookie and their child what was then thought to be certain and immediate DEATH SENTENCE, if there were EVER a time and circumstance for a Black (or non-Black) woman to attempt to VIOLENTLY injure her mate, that certainly would have been the occasion. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2503 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yeah ABM, the absence of the quote was a point of contention for another blogger. I tried to crame so much in that post, it may have been wanting. In fact, it was going to be 2 separate posts. I got lazy :-) If I can make one clarification, Jimmy Kimmel did not ask Magic how his wife would have responded. A better man, a man not in denial, would have chosen a path other than what he did. One of the arguments against my post was that Magic can say what he wants because it's his wife. Granted, he can do that, however, he has to realize how his words affects others. His actions that night were selfish. You are right, you caught that, he should be the last MFer to respond to "how black women" will act in a similar situation. It's my belief that if he chose to respond to the question, he could have done so without using his wife in his comments. Even more so, he could have dispelled the myth/belief that all black women are heathens that instantly move to the secondary emotion of rage. We all know Magic's history. He continues to be a pimpin' usurper of black folks. Even his wife is fair game. ABM, thanks for stopping by my little spot. I'd sure like to see you drop a few comments from time to time. Btw, the gentleman [RiPPa] who was the biggest opposition to this post, is a friend of mine. We are real cool. Just last night, he and 4 other bloggers did a blogradio program. They were from Seattle, New Jersey, Memphis, and DC. They, like you, they can do "it" from both sides of the street. Meaning, whatever issues are on the table, our personal relationships does not guide our opinions. Last night, one of the topics was about the new book "B i t c h". Someone posted a comment about this book... on this board. Oh boy, you should have been in on that one. It's an hour show, and of course we ran out of time. It will kick off the next program. 3 dudes and 2 women. Yep, we went somewhere. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2504 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ooops... just for clarification, one of the individuals sitting in the discussion (last night) was from Iowa... me. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 10459 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Carey, Black men pull all kinds a heinous sheht on sistas yet in the MAJORITY of cases sistas respond to such no more wildly or violently than any other women. Hell, Tiger certainly is NOT the first famed Black(ish) married jock whose tried to screw half the continental United States. Yet, you don't hear or read of some sista laying a Louisville Slugger upside the head of some poonchasin' MLB Allstar centerfielder like Elin did Tiger's via one of his 5-irons. You have a nice blog spot. Don't be surprised if pop in every now and then. And I'll try to catch the radio programs too. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 3784 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
”Black men pull all kinds a heinous sheht on sistas yet in the MAJORITY of cases sistas respond to such no more wildly or violently than any other women.” Thank you. This is very true. I find it simply hilarious hearing Negroes pontificate this myth, that black women would have beaten Tiger down or that they do not tolerate infidelity. This is a lie of the worst kind. Black women have zero immunity to abuse by black men. Black men assault, pimp, abuse, mistreat, beat up and dog black women every single day. I’m not suggesting this the case for every black male/female relationship (just as it is a myth that white women take more abuse from white men), but to suggest black women (as a group) are immune to cheating or abuse or they would have severely punished (while non-black women would tolerate it) Tiger for his indiscretions, is simply not true. ”Hell, Tiger certainly is NOT the first famed Black(ish) married jock whose tried to screw half the continental United States. Yet, you don't hear or read of some sista laying a Louisville Slugger upside the head of some poonchasin' MLB Allstar centerfielder like Elin did Tiger's via one of his 5-irons.” Yep! What Tiger did is actually not unusual or unheard of for a married man. I find it strange that the media has attempted to portray him as a monster and registered pathological serial cheater while exempting the "15 minutes of fame" seeking lecherous whores (who "knew" he was married with children) he slept with. I do not condone nor justify what he did, but he is no different than other men of all races, ethnicities, religions, socioeconomic classes and cultures who take liberties at crossing the line of fidelity. He did what he did and the whiny haters and hypocrites need to get over it and move on….. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14421 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
WHO is saying that black women are immune to abuse and cheating???? WHO is saying that black women would've severely punished a philandering black celebrity???? Is anybody with any credibility saying these things???? Few Black women wield enough power to exact great punishment on a high-profile womanizing playa. WHO is naive enough to think they have. What black women have is the capacity for indignation and a facility for expressing it. No, a black women would'n't have taken Tiger down because she couldn't have. All she would've done is what she has always done when a dude gives her the shaft: get on the phone with her girlfriends and vent; talk about the fool like a dog. And maybe "key" his car. If he has one. Once again all of these arguments are being waged against vague claims. Much ado about nothing. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2505 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Well Cynique, you've played right into the post. Thank you very much. I don't know where you get your information or where you reach out to tickle your funny bone, but much of the conversations on this issue has centered around the black, and what "she" would have done in a similar situation. You asked who with any credibility is saying these things... Magic Johnson BAM! Since I only have so much space in a post, I thought that was a good place to start. And check this, you said no black woman could have taken Tiger down. Wrong! The spirit of the conversations centered around what black women "would" have done. Do I need to mention the killing of a noted football player. Do I need to mention hot grits. Do I even dare to mention the women that cut off that man's penis. Come on Cynique... much ado about nothing? You're fishing baby. To be honest, more people are talking about the angry black women than the view you're voicing. That's what inspired my post. I am glad you came along to voice a differing view. I need you baby, keep doing what you do best! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14422 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
I don't consider Magic Johnson credible. And you apparently don't either, Carey, or you wouldn't have dismissed his comments. And your claim that there is an explosion of conversation about how black woman would react to this type of situation is questionable. Actually this is an ongoing subject about which nothing new is being said. Same ol, same ol. BTW, a black woman did not cut off that man's penis; she was Hispanic, and a black woman did not take down that football player; she was Iranian. And the fact that you are boo-hooing about black women "not gettin paid" would seem to reinforce the idea that black women don't wield a lot of power when it comes to gettin over on famous womanizers. I found nothing compelling about this tired old litany about black women, and as far as I'm concerned, it's much ado about nothing. What "fishing" has to do with this is a simile that only you would come up with. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 8414 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Black women know how to fight and have no compunction about getting all up in a n***a's grille on even some trifling stuff-- Still I know some neer do wells who have taken it too far and gotten the Tiger treatment. It is also true that some allow themselves to be used as doormats. We are not monolithic. Everybody is not cool, streetwise, hip, with it, fly--like us. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2507 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
"What "fishing" has to do with this is a simile that only you would come up with" Yes, you're probably right on that one. But check this, although "I" may not view Tragic Magic as a person of great wisdom, the advertising world seems to think differently. So therefore, one if left to believe that many are hanging on his jock. I didn't dismiss his comments, I said they were ill timed. As I implied, "you" may think there's not an explosion of converstaion about how black women would have reacted, but again, I question your circle of friends and the world around you. But check game, even after you questioned my references, you dropped this "Actually this is an ongoing subject about which nothing new is being said. Same ol, same ol" So Cynique, I am left to wonder which way will you go? In correcting me (trying to) about the color of the women that I mentioned, you again reinforced my contentions. But lets not go there. I will tell you it's a good bet that everyone reading these comments, knows a black woman that has done physical harm to a mate, or has heard of such. So again, your point that black women have no options, is woefully untrue. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14426 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
This from a hick in Iowa who apparently thinks his circle of friends are more representative than mine in spite of how dated the ideas he expresses are, not to mention "the places he won't go" - because he cannot back up his contentions. My position is that women have been exacting revenge on straying mates since the beginning time. Some get better results than others. So what else is new? As Chrishayden implies, the degree to which a black woman is successful in doin in a playa varies from person to person. Once again I say this subject is so common place that it's played out, which is why I couldn't care less about famous womanizers getting their comeuppance, be it at the hands of black women or those of any other race. But that's just me, so feel free to drone on and on about it and maybe whatever it is that you are trying to prove will emerge from the befuddled verbiage. | ||
| Crystal Veteran Poster Username: Crystal Post Number: 523 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
I haven't heard that "explosion of conversaton about how black women would have reacted" either Carey. Maybe this is what black men are saying in the barber shops but we all know you can't believe much if any of the stuff that is said there. And men always like to act as if they have the baddest woman on the block. "Yeah man, forget hitting me upside the head my wife would have wrapped that club around my johnson!" People around me black and white aren't saying much about Tiger. Black folks just shake their head and white folks aren't saying much at all. I think they see him as black and are uncomfortable with the white woman aspect. Who knows. Who cares. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 3785 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
From the Carey blog: ”Magic Johnson, with his cootie carrying ass, was on The Jimmy Kimmel Show. Jimmy had the nerve to ask the negro pimping’ - easy credit ripoff bastard, what he thought about the Tiger Woods incident. Magic's…… ……..she faced enough humiliation and scrutiny? Wasn’t it her baby that had to be tested for Aids? Why on earth would Magic say "what Cookie would have done." Isn’t Magic still breathing and selling dreams? Did she bust HIS goddamn head, or poke him in his ass like the slimy pig that he is? The gull of this man to have any comment on this subject and to throw his wife on the floor.” Well, I’m not sure what Magic said (I didn’t see the Kimmel show) , but from your impassioned diatribe and railing, I guess he promoted the myth that a black woman would have punished Tiger for his infidelity? I’m sure there is a black woman (just as a Filipina, white, Latina, Korean, et al) who would have exacted some physical punishment for his poonanny excursions. But to suggest such a reaction is “race based”, is dishonest and stupid. Sorry, I can’t be politically correct or say it any other way….. From the Carey Blog: ”I’ve grown tired of the opinion that a black women would have done something different upon finding out their husband had taken refuge in another valley of love? I mean, their husbands were screwing at the slip & easy? But why the insistence on painting the black women as savage beasts that lets their emotions consume them? Granted, it’s true that some black women would cut Tiger deep down to the white meat. But that’s not true of all black women.” Agreed. But there were a number of black women who were talking most of the smack. The sista gurls were burning the lines on the Tom Joyner show and cyber blogs, passionately espousing how they (or another black woman) would have dealt with Tiger. Which we all know is nothing more than self bloviating and race gender hype….. From the Carey Blog: ”While my cousin and I were talking, we wondered what messages Tiger, and men like him, are sending to their children. If they only date white women or championed white women, what would they possibly be telling their mixed children? What...they are not good enough, or they are inferior to white woman? The children might even project their father’s disdain of black women upon themselves and surmise that he doesn’t really love them. “ First, I’m not sure why you are quoting lines from the “Color Purple”. Sister Celie was a grossly abused and denigrated black woman. What does this have to do with Tiger Woods or Magic Johnson? I’m not following your dogma here. Secondly, what Tiger Woods does in his private life is his business and he does not have to answer to anyone about his personal choices or preferences. It’s no ones damn business, especially hatin’ Negroes who have absolutely nothing to do with his life (and never have). What message is he sending his children? Try this; “You are free to pursue a relationship with whomever you please and no one has a right to tell you who you should be or not be with. It is not their decision nor is it their life”. That’s what I think. And the silly concept of black women being inferior or not good enough is nonsense and has no place in a rational world. Done….. As far as black women’s hysteria over him not dating them (which I find laughable) –get over it! Black women are living perfectly well (well….maybe not perfectly, but living) without Tiger Woods and will continue to do so. Besides, he probably has never dated a black woman because maybe he is not attracted to them or maybe he has not found one he would date. Who knows? And why should anyone care? Any reason or explanation why he does not (date black women) is pure conjecture and speculation anyway. He has never publically stated why. And why should he date a black woman? They have never been part of his life. His mama wasn’t black. And he doesn’t date Asian women either! Do you hear them whining and making vitriolic accusations like the Negrotards? Bro Carey, it’s not your or my place to dictate what this man should do or not do in his personal life. As I said, hatin’ Negroes with their tedious race baiting, should concern themselves with their own personal lives and not who Tiger is attracted or not attracted to. The man is free to date and pursue what he likes. Get over it and move on……. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 10464 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
NTFS: "Bro Carey, it’s not your or my place to dictate what this man should do or not do in his personal life. As I said, hatin’ Negroes with their tedious race baiting, should concern themselves with their own personal lives and not who Tiger is attracted or not attracted to. The man is free to date and pursue what he likes. Get over it and move on......." I don't quite see why Carey's blog inspired the above. I don't see where anyone here have declared with whom Tiger must be sexually involved. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 3786 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"I don't quite see why Carey's blog inspired the above. I don't see where anyone here have declared with whom Tiger must be sexually involved." Ref: From the Carey Blog: ”While my cousin and I were talking, we wondered what messages Tiger, and men like him, are sending to their children. If they only date white women or championed white women, what would they possibly be telling their mixed children? What...they are not good enough, or they are inferior to white woman? The children might even project their father’s disdain of black women upon themselves and surmise that he doesn’t really love them. “ Bro Carey listed his blog as a reference to his commentary and thoughts (http://careycarey-carrymehome.blogspot.com/2009/12/color-purple-tiger-woods-and- magic.html). I just went from there. As I read his blog, there were a few things I did not quite understand and I commented about it. It was his reference to his blog that inspired my comments. My spin had nothing to do with what any particular reader posted.... | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2508 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
I am feeling everyones take on this. I understand that Crystal said she didn't hear much conversation about Tiger. That's cool and she heard what she heard. Then Ntsf said they were blowing up blogs and radio programs about this very subject. So although Cynique took it personally, all I was saying was that it depends on were a person gets their thrills. I also understood ABM's question "I don't quite see why Carey's blog inspired the above. I don't see where anyone here have declared with whom Tiger must be sexually involved" I too was wondering the same thing?! Well, specifically this... "Bro Carey, it’s not your or my place to dictate what this man should do or not do in his personal life. As I said, hatin’ Negroes with their tedious race baiting, should concern themselves with their own personal lives and not who Tiger is attracted or not attracted to. The man is free to date and pursue what he likes. Get over it and move on……."...and this: "what Tiger Woods does in his private life is his business and he does not have to answer to anyone about his personal choices or preferences. It’s no ones damn business, especially hatin’ Negroes who have absolutely nothing to do with his life (and never have)" Although I have a feeling I know what inspired Ntsf's (those) comments, I will not go there today. I appreciate his comments. He pointed out some things he couldn't get with and I'll leave that right there. My style/voice is not for everyone. I try to move a message or an opinion, while trying to keep it light and amusing. As my way of transitioning to another thought, bits and pieces are thrown. In this post it was just Celie's words I was using. To many, Celie's story was one of triumph. Since the theme of my post was "all women do not act violently" Celie's story, in many ways, championed that message. On the other hand, Sophia used violence and damn near lost her life. Yet, when Sophia saw Celie, she said "there must be a God". There's a small message in those words. Also, through the storm, Celie came out on top... Tiger, Magic, and a million other men???? There is a God. As I've previously mentioned, this started out as two posts, but I cramed it into one. So I understand some of the feedback, critisism and confusion. There's only so much room to move around in a single post. AND, sometimes I don't even agree with small elements of my own post. They are there to inspire conversation, and usually, it's mission acomplished. Thanks ABM, I appreciate your words. Thanks for having my back. And, I got Crystal out of bed so it's all good. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14427 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
You can take the hick out of the country, but you can't take the "country" out of the hick. I find you neither urbane nor cosmopolitan, Carey. You are borderline-literate and logically-impaired.  Incidentally the word is "tutor" not "tudor." "Tudor" is the surname of one of the royal dynasties of England. You know - the one Henry V111 was born to. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 10465 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
NTFS, I don’t view what you have quoted of Carey’s blog to symbolize his criticizing brothas screwing and marrying White women. Rather, I think he and his cousin asked a question that I would agree likely is very much on the minds of LOTS of mixed children – especially their DAUGHTERS. If ALL the mommies and girlfriends around them have blond, straight hair and blue eyes, yet ALL the daughters have brown hair and eyes and kinky hair, the kids very likely might feel somewhat self-conscious about such, what such means about whether they would also be considered beautiful, desirable, etc. by men whom they most love and admire. I don't know if you have any children. But I suspect if you were raising daughters you would better understand what Carey is referring to. Carey, No problem. I agree NTFS appear to miss the point of your blog. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14435 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
At least you have sense enough to realize that you are, indeed, a hick, Carey. And a long-winded one, at that. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14436 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
BTW, Carey, is there any particular reason why you deleted the post that I was responding to? You can't even stand by your own words. How telling. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2514 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yes Cynique, there is a reason I deleted it. I just finished a post and I needed some of the words to do it right. I might even delete the "long winded" one because much of that appears in my next post. (don't want to duplicate them) Thanks for your words. You're up in this next posts... sort of :-) | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 3788 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
”I don’t view what you have quoted of Carey’s blog to symbolize his criticizing brothas screwing and marrying White women.” I have no idea how you missed it. It was plane as day. Personally, I don’t care who someone dates or does not date. My only objection is to self serving vitriol that some people heap on others whose personal choices they do not agree with…for whatever reason. As long as it is consensual and between two adults, it is what it is. Not my place (or anyone else's) to tell them who they should sleep with or love. ’Rather, I think he and his cousin asked a question that I would agree likely is very much on the minds of LOTS of mixed children – especially their DAUGHTERS.” What about their daughters? I know plenty of so-called mixed race females who are daughters of friends and ones I grew up with. I don’t recall any of the psycho-race-drama that you have inferred. I’m not suggesting such instances do not exist, I’m sure they do. But you have countless daughters whose parents are both black and they grow up with a myriad of issues and self esteem problems. ’If ALL the mommies and girlfriends around them have blond, straight hair and blue eyes, yet ALL the daughters have brown hair and eyes and kinky hair, the kids very likely might feel somewhat self-conscious about such, what such means about whether they would also be considered beautiful, desirable, etc. by men whom they most love and admire.” Well, that depends if their mothers are better looking than they are. Sorry, but I don’t buy into the Aryan aesthetic of simply having a certain eye and hair color automatically makes you more attractive. The majority of the mixed race daughters are going to look physically better than their white mothers anyway. So how could there be a pervasive belief that she (the mother) would be more attractive? And why would having darker hair and eyes and different hair denote inferiority? As I said before, every mixed female that I know of looks just as good, but in most cases –better than their mothers. Sorry, but I don’t see this as an issue and I have no idea how you arrived at your above statement. ”I don't know if you have any children. But I suspect if you were raising daughters you would better understand what Carey is referring to.” No, I’m not raising any children. But it’s not necessary for me to see the flaws in such thinking. I do know that kids will harass other kids because of their looks. Whether they are better looking or less attractive, hair, over weight, darker complexion, etc. My point is this; Many kids will also suffer from self esteem issues regardless if they are of a mixed racial heritage or not. And I understood what Carey said. There was nothing complex or mystifying about it. I just did not agree with his contention about mixed children “receiving messages that they are inferior to white women” (his words –not mine). There is no proof of such an assertion. ”Carey, No problem. I agree NTFS appear to miss the point of your blog.” No. I got the point. I just don’t agree with it…… | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 10471 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
NTFS, I think Carey just asked some questions. I saw NONE of the vitriol and disdain of interracial relationships within his (very BRIEF) commentary about the possible of effects on children produced from such that YOU allude to. I seems quite clear to me that (although you likely would NOT admit such) YOU have a PRO-interracial relationship agenda and will use even the most remote reference to the subject to debate and espouse your viewpoint. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 3789 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
”I think Carey just asked some questions. I saw NONE of the vitriol and disdain of interracial relationships within his (very BRIEF) commentary about the possible of effects on children produced from such that YOU allude to.” Well, as I said before, I just responded to what he wrote. He asserted that children of mixed racial heritage could possibly feel inferior to the looks of their white mothers. I know of no such conflicts. It was his words –not mine, that made such an apocryphal assumption. I disagreed with it and I stated very clearly why. There was no vitriol (on my part or his) or accusations of disdain as you have suggested. ”I seems quite clear to me that (although you likely would NOT admit such)…..” There is nothing to admit. I am very open and emphatic about what I believe. ”YOU have a PRO-interracial relationship agenda and will use even the most remote reference to the subject to debate and espouse your viewpoint.” No. Wrong again. I have no PRO-interracial agenda. I am pro-choice. I believe people have a right to enter into relationships without having to be subjected to scorn or nefarious second guessing of their decisions. As long as there is a meeting of the minds between consenting adults and their relationship does not infringe with the liberty of others, they should be free to purse their mutual interest. The races or ethnicities of the parities is of no interest to me. So, no ABM -there is no PRO-interracial agenda with me. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 2242 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
NTFS, I know mixed race people that went to schools in an all white environment and were affected by the white beauty standard; depending on which race they took after more, some felt that their hair wasn't straight enough, their skiin wasn't light enough and they weren't thin enough. Mixed race people can come out looking like anything. They're regular people and don't always come out looking like supermodels (most people don't) I know one girl felt that she didn't live up to the stereotype of what a mixed girl should look like because she was just average looking. Everyone thinks that if you are mixed you are going to be a knockout and this isn't always true |
