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Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 02:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sammy Sosa with his wife, Sonia Sosa on May 13, 2009 in New York on the left and on November 4, 2009 in Las Vegas on the right. (Kevork Djansezian via Getty Images and Sipa via AP Images)

Many have been shocked to see recent photos of retired major league baseball player Sammy Sosa. Not only is he wearing green contact lenses, but his skin tone is considerably lighter than usual, something which he claims is the result of a skin "rejuvenation" process, some reports say. The once dark-complexioned, undeniably African-looking Sosa now looks more like Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy". As the late Nigerian activist and musician Fela Kuti would have said, it appears that Sosa is guilty of having a "colonial mentality."

Throughout the African diaspora, black people internalized the racism they experienced under slavery and colonial rule. Bad habits are hard to break, and there is still self-hatred among black people today. With years of conditioning, societies were made to believe that blackness was bad, and anything associated with blackness was inferior and undesirable.

This problem is also prevalent in Latin America. For example, Brazil has the largest black population outside of the African continent at 90 million, which amounts to roughly half of its people. Yet, despite their conspicuous presence in society, black Brazilians face discrimination, poverty, and lower education and health standards than whites. According to a "racial atlas" created by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the Federal University of Minas Gerais, 65 percent of the poor and 70 percent of the extremely poor in Brazil are of African descent.

In the Dominican Republic, Sosa's country of origin, people are overwhelmingly black: 90 percent have African ancestry. Yet only 11 percent identify themselves as black. And as UN experts found, there is "a profound and entrenched problem of racism and discrimination against such groups as Haitians, Dominicans of Haitian descent, and more generally against blacks within Dominican society."

A strong anti-Haitian sentiment is rooted in the country's history. Haiti is a former colonizer of the Dominican Republic, as was Spain. Yet, Dominicans only celebrate their independence from Haiti. Haitian cultural practices are viewed as inferior. The government has engaged in mass deportations of Haitians - and sometimes Dominicans mistaken for Haitians - while also attempting to deny citizenship to the Dominican-born children of so-called "illegal" Haitian immigrants.

But a large reason for this hatred of Haitians is a denial of Dominicans' own African origin. Simply put, sometimes it is difficult to stare at oneself in the mirror. For years, under the Hispanidad movement, the government of the Dominican Republic emphasized the nation's white, Spanish and Catholic heritage, and conveniently left out the black part.

The Dominican Republic is a nation whose hairdressers are known for their hair-straightening prowess and most Dominican women get their hair straightened. Although dark folks are the overwhelming majority, black skin, wide noses and 'pelo malo' (bad hair) do not fit the standard of beauty. So, hair relaxers and skin whiteners are in, and people will call themselves a number of things, such as Indian, burned Indian, Moreno and cinnamon - anything but negro (the Spanish word), or black. This is what years of submerging your culture will do.

Certainly, the U.S. is not immune from this color-coded mentality. African-Americans historically internalized racism by pitting light-skinned blacks against dark-skinned ones, and using paper bag tests for admission to exclusive clubs. Black newspapers and magazines in the 1920s through the 1960s often featured advertisements for skin bleaching creams. Typically, with promises of "lighter, brighter skin," these ads blatantly associated white skin with beauty and success, and depicted dark skin as ugly. Meanwhile, people of color in America still fight against the Madison Avenue standard of beauty, which usually takes the form of a malnourished white blond fashion model with slight facial features.

Sadly, some celebrities of color join in the color-coded madness by lightening up and going under the knife themselves. And people of all colors and ethnicities risk mutilating their faces and bodies to look like distorted cartoon characters.

Sammy Sosa and others must realize that try as you might, you cannot bleach out your history.
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Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 06:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh well.........
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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 09:06 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

SS, are there before and after photos?

Skin lighteners are used widely in Nigeria and virtually all professional women even women of very modest means wear straight hair wigs/weaves/extensions usually of an unnatural color.

Hair straightening in the Dominican Republic is so pervasive you would swear all of the Black women simply have naturally straight hair.

The Dominicans salons have the hair straighting process perfected and are renown in Harlem for doing the best job at the best price.

But Lord have mercy, let someone say that all this skin lightening and hair straighting is part and parcel of our "colonial mentality" then you are branded a "hater" or as someone who would impinge on the freewill of others by trying impose your views.

Based upon my limited travels to Black countries (including the world's largest Black nation) and perhaps all of chocolate cities in the US; New York City seems to have the most racial conscious Black people in the world.

But I remember when I was a kid it was an insult to call someone "African". Can you imagine? People would exclaim, "I ain't no Mother_ucking African!"

Of course Negroes folks would always preface any put down with the word "Black" for emphasis.

Fortunately I don't hear these types of ignorant statements any more. I don't know if it is the circles I roll in or if these words are expressed less often...
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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 04:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy, unfortunately, everything you said in your post is true. And there is absolutely nothing that is going to change it....EVER!
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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 08:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Look at this Fool
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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 08:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damn shame Sammy. :-( Coming from African and White Anglo ancestry myself, I still can't get over the apparent fact that Sammy did this to himself. As much junk as I've talked on this board, in the end...it's just that - talk.

Sammy looked just fine the way he was - a cool suave multi-millionaire with what appeared to be few if any worries. Boy, were we all wrong. Your skin IS your skin, but in today's world and unfortunately so, it's also your identity.

Given Kareem's announcement this morning about his own Lukemia issue, if I were Sammy, I'd be looking out for the first signs of epidermal cancers because of the rapid change in pigmentation. I'm disappointed and pooped out too. All said.
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Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 10:12 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy, unfortunately, everything you said in your post is true. And there is absolutely nothing that is going to change it....EVER!

(From the very beginning there were those among us who didn't buy it--

It's funny--it seems our more SUCCESSFUL blacks are the ones who go for the okey doke.

Sosa is going to wind up like Michael Jackson or OJ.
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Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 05:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Sosa is going to wind up like Michael Jackson or OJ."

Yes Chris, that's quite possible.
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dominicans are some of the most self-hating "black people", ive ever seen.

i actually had a dominican female tell me, he (sammy sosa) looks better with that fake light strange looking skin than with his natural skin tone.

it kind of sad, dominicans, who CLEARLY have "black blood", will go to ANY lenth to separate themselves from being considered "black".

i won't lie, dominican females are the probably (along with brazilians and mexicans) the most beautiful women ive ever seen.

but the obvious, blatant RACISM that stem from these self-hating black racists, just blows my mind.

hey, sammy sosa, and ALL other self hating black dominicans- "GO F*CK YOURSELVES".


i'm sorry, but these dominicas just piss me off.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why Lil_ze because Dominicans are feeding into the same racist bullshyt that you yourself believe?? That is why Sammy Sosa bleached his skin. Because suckas like you are always runnin around praising light skin.

Also, I thought that Dominican women were mixed looking enough for your colorstruck azz. Thats what you told me. So how are they beautiful.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 07:01 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Late post from me. I heard about this when it initially came out and I thought it was sad. Recently, I saved a program on my DVD and I just got around to watching it. Before the recorded program came on there was a quick news snippet about Sosa and they showed the before and after pictures. I played it back twice to view the “skin enhancement” (as the commentators attempted to coin it for political correctness reasons) changes. It's was simply disgusting. This brother represents a very disturbing and twisted mentality. First of all, there is no sane reason for him to do what he did...at least not in my book. Sosa is a good looking guy, he's a millionaire, has a gorgeous wife and can laid any time he wants by countless women of all races and ages. Why would he be compelled to lighten his skin? What would motivated him to do so? To become more attractive to women? To become more marketable? Does he have a history of being tormented and ridiculed because of his skin complexion? What? It makes no sense to me. But the brother really crossed the line with this blatant self-hating debauchery. I've lost all respect for him. Just my opinion.....
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 07:19 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now, when I say this, I don't want everyone to run for the door.

Okay, it appears Sammy had a hand in his "new" skin color. He apparently deviated from his god given look. Now, is the issue simply because it was his face or that he changed the original package? Here's where I am going.... colored eye lenses, hair dye, perms and wigs. False eye lids, false breasts, false nails, non-corrective dental work (vanity), false booty, tummy tucks and penis pumps.

Really, who can cast the first stone?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 08:25 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carey,

I agree when you take a step back and fully look at ALL the sanctioned and accepted sheht foks - especially WOMEN - do to alter, improve and/or enhance their looks there would appear to be strain of duplicity and hypocrisy running through the criticism of Sosa.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 09:41 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

@Serenasailor the before and after photos - wow!

@Carey & ABM
"...strain of duplicity and hypocrisy running through the criticism of Sosa."
"...who can cast the first stone?"


WFT?!

Sosa lightening his skin is without a doubt a symptom of self hatred and as such is a problem.

Saying that it is hypocritical to voice a concern, if ones does not also level the same criticism against women is obfuscating and ignoring the problem. Michael had a serious problem. Sosa appears to have one too. It is a shame and should not be condoned.

If we lived in a color blind society, I would not have a problem with Sosa. People could make themselves purple if they wanted. But clearly in a world where white is viewed superior and more attractive -- coloring ones skin because you feel your color is inferior is a mental illness. Rationalizing it or making excuses for it is indiciative of the same illness.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy, although I am sure ABM will have his own opinion, but let me do you before he arrives.

Look, "But clearly in a world where white is viewed superior and more attractive -- coloring ones skin because you feel your color is inferior is a mental illness. Rationalizing it or making excuses for it is indiciative of the same illness"

Ahh Troy, whos world are you talking about? If that's your feelings, you can own that. but isn't it awfully presumptuous of you to include me our others in that vision.

Besides, you still have not explained why lighting his skin is ANY different from any other "enhancement" precedures?!

Again, is changing the texture of one's hair - self hatred? If not then why? Is getting a nose job self hatred. If not WHY?

Who's condoning his behavior? I am simply asking others to think, before they..."Rationalizing it or making excuses for it is indiciative of the same illness"

Did I hear the same illness in your words. Sure I did. I beg you to differ.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Saying that it is hypocritical to voice a concern, if ones does not also level the same criticism against women is obfuscating and ignoring the problem. Michael had a serious problem. Sosa appears to have one too. It is a shame and should not be condoned.

If we lived in a color blind society, I would not have a problem with Sosa. People could make themselves purple if they wanted. But clearly in a world where white is viewed superior and more attractive -- coloring ones skin because you feel your color is inferior is a mental illness. Rationalizing it or making excuses for it is indiciative of the same illness."


Bro Troy, I agree.......
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Skin color is the ultimate litmus test when it comes to enhancing one's appearance. If female Serena Williams had done something to bleach her skin two shades lighter, she would've received the same indignant reaction as Sousa.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy,

I am NOT "rationalizing" or condoning what Sosa has done. If anything, my kneejerk response to what he has done to himself is to PITY him.

Still, I say what he is doing is a part of the a much BROADER environment and culture of 100's of millions - perhaps BILLIONS - of people throughout the world attempting to somehow CHANGE how they look. Perhaps many (like yourself) find Sosa's REASONING for and MANNER of doing such to be particularly worrisome. But if we all look honestly and fairly at ALL of the ways in which we ALL seek to improve our appearance and standing, MUCH of it has a decidedly EUROCENTRIC origin and/or perspective (e.g., see Chris Rock's unnecessarily controversial Good Hair).

Sosa is merely an exaggeration or caricature of that.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I am NOT "rationalizing" or condoning what Sosa has done. If anything, my kneejerk response to what he has done to himself is to PITY him.

Still, I say what he is doing is a part of the a much BROADER environment and culture of 100's of millions - perhaps BILLIONS - of people throughout the world attempting to somehow CHANGE how they look. Perhaps many (like yourself) find Sosa's REASONING.......

.....EUROCENTRIC origin and/or perspective (e.g., see Chris Rock's unnecessarily controversial Good Hair).

Sosa is merely an exaggeration or caricature of that."


Bro ABM, thank you. Totally on point. You just saved me a lot of writing......
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"Skin color is the ultimate litmus test when it comes to enhancing one's appearance. If female Serena Williams had done something to bleach her skin two shades lighter, she would've received the same indignant reaction as Sousa."

Ummmmm....I can't agree with that Ms. Cynique. If Serena had done what Sosa done, it would also be an outrage and a slap in the face of all people of a darker complexion. I would have dismissed her just as fast for such blatant indefensible self-hatred (a term I don't often use) act. Both Sosa and Serena have wonderful complexions. What sane or logical reason could they give for lightning their skin? It is asinine and sickening for either to deny their natural racial genetic color. But as ABM pointed out, this color obsession is global and it affects billions of people. In fact, I was looking at video about this very sad phenomena that involved Eastern Indians. And I can personally assure you that Asians are at the top of the pinnacle of skin color fanaticism and obsession. It's truly sad.....

http://generation-x.net/members/viewVideo.php?video_id=2936&title=_1_Want_to_be_ Whiter___part_1_of_2
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 07:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How are you disagreeing with what I wrote, NTFS????? Did you read my statement correctly????? Didn't I say that female Serena "would've received the same indignant reaction as Sousa" if she lightened her skin?????? I meant that this is where the double standard for men and women ends.

All the other things people do to enhance or alter their appearance, "pale" in comparison to the drastic procedure of bleaching their skin, which is why I referred to doing this as the ultimate litmus test - when it comes to dissatisfaction with one's appearance.
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Carey I'll make it plain. Any negro that changes any aspect of their appearance in order to look white is sick. Further, any negro that thinks doing so is A-OK needs help as well. Seen, roots?

Of course straightening our hair has been so common place for so long that few of us are even consciousness enough to appreciate why we do it... we have forgotten. Consider a world where the majority of Black people lighten their skin to look more white. One day, Carey, people will be defending whitening our skin the same way we defend straightening our hair today. They’ll argue, justifiably, that is their right to do what I want to do with their bodies. However they won’t realize that the seed of their choice is self hatred.

We already lost our “…religion, our culture, our God…” now some of us are even handing over our physical appearance!

ABM, I took issue with this statement of yours:

”… take a step back and fully look at ALL the sanctioned and accepted sheht foks - especially WOMEN - do to alter, improve and/or enhance their looks there would appear to be strain of duplicity and hypocrisy running through the criticism of Sosa.”

Here you seem to equate improving ones appearance with trying to look white. There is of course a big difference. When a Michael Jackson narrows his nose, straightens his hair and lightens his skin; he is trying to look “better” by trying to look white. This is twisted.

This is NOT the same thing as trying to improve your appearance by say applying makeup to even out your complexion, using lotion to get rid of ashy skin, using perfume, or getting braces to straighten your teeth.

It is not “hypocrisy” to condone (even encourage) one and abhor the other.


NTFS is there a direct link to the video, I was prompted to login.


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Talking about white skin check out this flim Skin http://reviews.aalbc.com/skin.htm it is a documentary about a white South African couple whose biological child comes out Black (presumably due to a ancestor). Of course all hell break loose as a result.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 09:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy, if we are talking about making things clear, I hear you loud and clear.

I heard and saw your pacifier fall on the floor. Although you tried to draw a line in the sand, you failed miserably.

Troy: "This is NOT the same thing as trying to improve your appearance by say applying makeup to even out your complexion, using lotion to get rid of ashy skin, using perfume, or getting braces to straighten your teeth"

Come on Troy, you can do better than that. You used the most rudimentary examples of "improving ones appearance" in order to advance your argument and it's simply not working.

Therefore, I hear a few discerning eyes running for the door. I'll leave this discussion for the big hitters.

Earlier Troy: "Any negro that changes any aspect of their appearance in order to look white is sick. Further, any negro that thinks doing so is A-OK needs help as well. Seen, roots?"

I knew this conversation could get slippery when you came with the BIG BROTHER BAT. Yep, you came with the bat and then patted negroes on the heads.

Peek-a-boo, I see you. You condencending MFer *LOL*
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

?????????????? Jeeze, Carey. How can you disagree with an argument and then leave the rebuttal to some one else. Don't you know why you don't agree with Troy???

I agree with Troy that changing one's skin color is not on a par with such superficialities as make-up and groomed hair and orthodonic work, not to mention dieting, arched eye-brows, and skin tighers.

I think, however, that any kind of plastic surgery, is right up there with skin-bleaching.

Where I apparently disagree with all of you is this somber rhetorical litany that is automatically hauled out in order to pin the convenient catch-all label of "self-hate" on anybody who decides to alter their appearance. This judgmental old stand originated with the black is beautiful movment back in the 60s, and people are reluctant to challenge it.

I, however, in the year 2009, would argue that radically changing how you look is about self-love rather than self-hate. Making this choice is an ego-driven decision because you like yourself so much that you feel you deserve whatever it takes to make you happy. Indulging yourself by doing whatever is required to resemble the accepted standard of beauty makes something like skin-lightening an act of self-love. In advancing this contention I make a distinction between the "psyche" and the "soma". Your mind is what directs the show; your body is just the supporting cast.

The problem arises when a person becomes addicted to reconstructing their appearance. This is when the ego become afflicted with a psychosis. Psycho babbo? Maybe. Self-hate? Debatable.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Cynique, I did in my own way. Besides, Troy wasn't bringing anything so what was there to refute? But I had the feeling that you and others would do a better job than me, and thus, bring it on home. You did a great job. I really liked the part about self hate. Lets look at that again.


"I think, however, that any kind of plastic surgery, is right up there with skin-bleaching"

"Where I apparently disagree with all of you is this somber rhetorical litany that is automatically hauled out in order to pin the convenient catch-all label of "self-hate" on anybody who decides to alter their appearance. This judgmental old stand originated with the black is beautiful movment back in the 60s, and people are reluctant to challenge it"


Bravo!
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Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 10:13 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy,

I do not "equate" what Sosa has doing with ALL self-improvement techniques. I do, however, consider it to be within the continuum of what I consider to be 'The Pursuit of Blessed Whiteness' of which we ALL to varying degrees reside and revel.

Straightening one’s teeth is one thing. Straightening one’s HAIR is another. Because while I imagine straight teeth would be prized amongst those who have NEVER encountered White people, straighten HAIR is without ANY shadow of a reasonable doubt born of and promotes a EUROCENTRIC perspective of how one should look.

Moreover, I suppose I might generally differ with you and many others regarding what are and are not deemed 'acceptable' beauty regimens. I find MUCH of what people regularly do to their image to be fallacious and buffoonish.
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Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 01:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gaps in the teeth are considered an asset in many "primitive" cultures.

This mythical "Eurocentric" standard of beauty actually incorporates a symmetry that occurs in all races. The "golden triangle" which embodies the proportioned arrangement of the facial features is a universal standard. The prominent features of all ethnicities, when modified, symbolize a beauty which no race can lay exclusive claim to. In America, slightly-slanted eyes are considered desireable. Fuller lips are also a plus, and golden skin is far more prized than pale whiteness.

Straightening the hair was originally more practical, than cosmetic in practice. Straight hair was easier to comb and manage. Over the years, hair straightening was elevated to an art and people took advantage of this convenience. Curly locks, however, remain in favor and hair color is standard equipment for all women.

Everybody is trying to be all they can be when it comes to looks, including white people who get nose jobs, and if folks want to bolster their self esteem, then that's their prerogative.
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Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 06:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I meant that this is where the double standard for men and women ends."

Otay.......
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Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 02:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cyn--

"In America, slightly-slanted eyes are considered desireable. Fuller lips are also a plus, and golden skin is far more prized than pale whiteness."

What have you been smoking these days? If black folks would just stop trying to justify their existence and identity, then perhaps they would make some progress. Unfortunately, blacks are still trying to find their non-black identity. Well, that's all fine if you can look in the mirror and see more than the whites of your eyes. All said.
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What have I been smoking???? You're the one who sounds like he's on something, Nels.

You regularly lead us through the maze of your non sequitors, but this one takes the cake. When you say that black folks should stop trying to justify their existence so they can make some progress, are you saying that black people should just surrender and say that they have no right to be here? How can they make progress if they don't exist? And what is a black person's "non black identity"? Puleeze. Talk about an oxymoron. How can you separate an identity from the entity in which it exists. Get outta here.

When I made this statement: "In America, slightly-slanted eyes are considered desireable. Fuller lips are also a plus, and golden skin is far more prized than pale whiteness," I was refuting the Eurocentric argument, so I wasn't only talking about Blacks but also Asians and Hispanics. Get it??? Sheeze.
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Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 04:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, if would be ridiculous to say that the typical Black American woman who straightens their hair TODAY is self loathing.

Perhaps the first generation of women were.

However, after generations of hair straightening today it is simply a style. In much the same way most people with dreadlocks are not Rastarfi; the hair thing is simply a fashion choice, for most women.

I visited Lagos Nigeria, perhaps the worlds largest Black city in the worlds largest Black country. You can go days without seeing a white face, all of the bill boards have Black people.

But in Lagos I was actually taken aback with the prevalence of, mostly bad, wigs, weaves and extensions. In my ignorance I expected more people with natural hair styles. I expected to see Black people roking natural hair styles I could come home and talk about.

I asked about this women basically said it was what the men wanted. An American expat told me it was just easier and less expensive than maintaining a perm.

However the same can not be said for skin lightening or anyone or I submit hair straigtening for men.

When a Black man like Sosa ligthens his skin, dons green contacts and presumably straigtens his hair then only answer is a perverse desire to be white.

I don't think the lines of demarcation for determining who wants to be white are as blurry as some suggests.
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Sammy is nothing, if not stupid for doing what he has to know would inspire ridicule.

I don't see anything wrong with meterosexual black men getting wet-sets to make their hair wavy. Or Do I have a problem with them having their eyebrows groomed. Clean-cut neatness is cool and contributes to the "swagger".

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