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     Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2227 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Continued .....To remain impartial, the court will be looking for what is called "Debate Busters". As we all know, some debaters use the old bait and switch technique'. They find themselves on shaky ground and then switch to something that's completely off course. That main course could be something like "The role of blacks in politics" and they might switch in midstream and start talking about strawberry jelly rolls. They may know all there is to know about jelly donuts but little about the core issue. There's also the deep cut tactic. That technique is used when the debate moves from friendly discourse to a razor fight. This usually happens when one side gets backed into a corner and they have no place else to go. Some good debaters throw in a few strong opinions and represent them as facts. That could be a good thing until the other side exposes it for what it is - a baseless opinion. Nothing irritates the court more than the filibuster tactic. Who wants to read through a bunch of technical jargon to get to the core issue. No one likes to be bored into submission. Some debaters try the "right by association" ploy. They try to attach their words to thoses of others, and then sneak in the circle while they sing "we shall overcome". Bringing friends in as witnesses can be a good thing and a slippery slope. I am reminded of the police snitch that wound up speaking for the defense. The plaintiff takes a calculated risk when they say "ask so-n-so, they'll tell you". Well, hopefully their key witness keeps their cool and brings a little substance to the table that support their claim. The "dog pile on the rabbit" is an effective ploy, yet very risky. If the fast rabbit is a clever wordsmith, a slug of people can be left with egg on their face.. How about this one: God said ....... Here’s an example of a debate that caught my eye: Big RiPPa and another blogger named VON were having a debate. RiPPa was tearing her a new one. VON gets a ticket for dropping this gem as a debating TOOL ..... "Well RiPPa, everybody else agrees with me" ...GONG! Who did she say agreed with her (everyone else)? That can't be right - right? Nope, she gets a Blog Ticket, and she gets another ticket for representing a cheer-leading award as a fact. The soul's of most individuals have a hard time saying, I was wrong, I don't know, I love you, and I am sorry. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14065 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
It's no wonder you are familiar with all of these ploys, Carey, since you, yourself, resort to using them in your meandering rebuttals.  Note: debaters will paraphrase an idea they previously advanced to make it clearer when they are advancing their case. The idea is the same, but the words are different, but people like you cannot deal with this because your thinking processes are unable to adjust. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14066 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Note#2: A debater who has a vast store of information will call upon this knowledge to cite appropriate examples in order to reinforce their argument. But people like you, Carey, can't deal with this because you have a fixed mentality. You cannot cope when somebody throws you out of kilter. You had a fit when I said that Miles Davis kicked his heroin habit cold turkey, as if this was dirty pool in an exchange about - the subject of kicking a habit cold turkey. But why is it? It was anecdotal proof injected into the debate in order to reinforce a point I was trying to make. You got all indignant because I dared to overstep your self-imposed boundaries and addle your brain. So take all of your whining about people who won't conform to your narrow little rules, Carey, and stick em up your know-nothin arse. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2228 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Excuse me! I didn't call your name, Cynique, but you raised you hand. What's up with that. You acted as if you were defending something. This post was not about you. In fact, it was takin from a piece on the Gong Show. Duh, of course some of those evasive moves were some I deploy. But this post wasn't about me, and your defensive/offended vibe is something only you can fix. Settle down, this ain't science baby. If you're not careful someone might hit you with the phrase "a fox smells it's own ass-hole" Btw, your anecdotal injection of Miles Davis kicking his habit cold turkey was nothing more than your faulty opinion. He did not kick his habit cold turkey. See, you probably don't even know what "cold turkey" means. Stop Cynique, you're standing on the wrong battlefield. Thanks for stopping by. You have illustrated several points in the post. The cream comes to the top, and so does the sour mustard. Why don't you relax and write something other than your steady diet of venomous posts?! Gosh, talk about taking out the razor. Settle down. Check yourself before ..... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14067 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Actually all of your silly axioms were pretty amusing, Carey, and not something to be taken seriously, but I couldn't resist a chance to debunk your delusional idea that you had the credentials to administer the "hook" to debaters who did not meet your requirements. Now, after all your snide innuendo, you try to embrace the role of being someone who, himself, never dispenses venom. Puleeze. As for cream rising to the top, what would a curdled ol udder sucker like you know about such matters? And what is "cold turkey" other than suffering through the hours of agony of not shooting heroin until it's out of your system?? And stop trying to pass yourself off as a somebody with a cool head. You are nothing but a tepid wanna-be. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2229 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
"curdled ol udder sucker like you know about such matters?" Now that was pretty good. But listen, just like I said, a fox smells his own asshole. I 've used all of those "debating" tools. Are you kidding me, I will pull out my razor on yo ass. I forgot to include the old divide and conquer ploy. S**t, I tried that one yesterday and Yevettep slapped me upside my head. For the most part, all of those debating tools are effective, it just depends on who is listenting. This silly post was a cross between the Gong Show and one of those shows like the people's court. See, some negroes believe they can take those sidewalk arguments (debating skills) into the court room. While sitting in cell blocks( pre-sentencing jail housing), I've listened to brothas talk about how they were going to defend their cases. You wouldn't believe some of the mess they thought would fly. One fool said his brother-in-law would vouch for him that he didn't have any money, so that would prove that he couldn't have been drunk. Now mind you, his brother-in-law wasn't with him all night. I said, "come on player, their going to give you 2 years for being dumb, or for thinking they are". The one I like to use (depending who I am around) is saying something loud, with conviction, in an attempt to pass it off as a fact. Church folks are good at that one. They'll reach in and pull out a scripture that came from a chinese cookie ...."The bible said, pull out a man's eye if he looks at your wife" - what!? The part in my post about bringing your friends, was I idea I got from listening to all the fools argue on health care reform. In the right group, all that silly mess they were saying sounds real good( depending on who they were talking to), but it frequently lacked substance. So, all in all, it wasn't about me having knowledge about any particular subject. It was about arguing methods. All of those in my post are used, and used effectively, but it just depends on who is listening. Just like that one person in my post (Von), she was correct when she said "everyone agrees with me". Well, outside of her circle of friends, few agreed with her. On a personal note, I very seldom get angry. Just like I said that I am a product of this environment (debates/argument). Well, I only seen my father get angry one time in my life. I ve always seen anger as a weakness. Also, in certain sports (I was a boxer) anger is a no-no. When you lose your cool, you lose yourself. Hey, I am in the "emotions" game. Cool is cool, anything outside of that is something a person can control if they look deep inside. If I take myself too seriously I "might" get angry, so I try not to go there. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2230 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique asked ...."And what is "cold turkey" other than suffering through the hours of agony of not shooting heroin until it's out of your system?? Now, back to a more serious subject, if you're really seeking an answer. Again, I beleive (I know) you are on the wrong playing field but I'll answer your question. First, withdrawal does not end is hours. Depending on the substance, it could take days or months. That's a large reason why most people do not move on. There's a universal belief that the pains of withdrawal should end in a few days. That's a myth and a lie, that blocks people from recovering. A person that triess to kick alcohol on their own, can die from withdrawal. That's seldom the case with opiates. But with opiates (heroin, morphine etc,) the withdrawal process can take weeks and then there's the case of "PAWS", post acute withdrawal syptoms(months). With a drug like Heroin ( Miles Davis's drug of choice), most individuals that use it can not go through the process (less than .001 %). The process is so long and gruely they just can't do it. For the pill popping opiate addict (pain killers) this takes on a whole different problem. Many have jobs and think they are not an addicts (sterotypical addict), so they can not take the time off from work, or don't want to admit they have a problem. So they try to "kick" on their own and it seldom works because they don't know what they are up against. There are drugs on the market that tries to get individuals through a withdrawal period but they will NOT ease all the pain assosiated with the early stages of withdrawal. And, what frequently happens is a pereson will aquire a different type of a jones/habit. Back in the day, treatment professionals did not use Psyche drugs to treat addicts (alcohol, opiates, whatever). But since the withdrawlal process takes so long, and so few were recovering, the insurance companies want the patients out of facilities (hosipitals, treatment center, etc), so now patients are being medicated and sent on their way. This gives the patient a false sense of accomplishment ( another drug, but legal). It's sort of the new band-aid to treatment. There are drugs that heroin addict use that gets them to the others side. The one that is most frequently prescribed is more deadly and much more addicting than Heroin, but it's legal. Go figure. Kicking "cold turkey" seldom occurs. There are very few people that can go a week without eating. There are less that can go weeks without sleeping. Yes, weeks without sleep. And those are just 2 symptoms of withdrawal. There are many more! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14072 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
When I was in my 20s, there was a legendary character in my hometown who enjoyed the reputation of having kicked his heroin habit right out there on the street - cold turkey, - just toughed it out until he got the "H" out of his system, staggering around the hood for days, bent over, clutching his stomach, sitting on the curbs, retching with the dry heaves. When I satisfied my curiosity by checkin him out, he was cryin, and grittin his teeth, but was still able to say "hi". Watching him go through this ordeal was just something everybody accepted and sympathized with and later on after he went back to being just an ordinary hustler, nobody ever talked about our ol home boy without mentioning how Joe Green had kicked his habit, cold turkey, right out there in the on the side walks. Once again this is anecdotal, and back then in the 1950s, heroin may not be what it is today, but - I also know a friend of my daughter, who just stopped doing cocaine, cold, because she suddenly realized after a couple of years that it was a habit that was too expensive and, yes, I know cocaine is not a physical addiction but a mental one. She also pointed out to me people who claimed to have tried crack, didn't like it, and never used it again and this is supposed to be a drug that instantly hooks you. So although you have a hard time accepting it, an individual's constitution and brain-wiring are factors that can lead to the exceptions, not the rule. According to one bio, Jimi Hendricks' system would supposedly build up a resistence to heroin and he would have to keep increasing his dosage in order to get high. So, theorhetically, once his system built up a resistance to heroin, he could've simply stopped using it unless he just wanted the euphoria of being high. I think he did eventually switch to other drugs. As for debating, as opposed to shuckin and jivin, a critical thinker, armed with facts is a formidable opponent. IMO. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2231 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ol'Joe ...back in the 1950s, riiiight. Ms. Cynique, everyone builds a tolerance to opiates. That's NOT to say the body does not "need" it. That only speaks to the dosage needed to get high. It also speaks to the dosage needed to fight off withdrawals.No Cynique, your theory is simply that. In the real world more resistence means a harder time of withdrawing. Don't fool yourself, you are not a formidable foe. You only showing you inhability to say "I don't know". Your lame examples of "he said she said is another example of tomfoolery". Stop Cynique, you're making a fool of yourself and turning a debate into a mockery. Someone trying crack is not the same as someone addicted to crack. Why don't you run out a get a "professional" and see if anything I've said is not true. That's how a person could prove another wrong. But your to affraid to do that. You wish to drop ignorant opinions. Am done with you. You're to old to change. Brings some facts to the table, not old black joe from Kokomo. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14074 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
You are the one who is revealing your ignorance, Carey, by misinterpreting what I said in your desperation to make yourself appear to be soooo in the know. For somebody as old as you, you are remarkably immature and insecure, always trying to come across as the-end-all-be-all in hipness when you ain't nothin but an simple ass jaw-jerker, - a classic example of the old saying that "a little bit of learning is a dangerous thing." I made observations about my experiences, and acknowledged that they were anecdotal and speculative. But you are soooo steeped in your belief that you are an expert on drug use and its ramifications, that you resent anybody who is not impressed with your half-baked "expertise" and you resort to dispargement. Are you a physician or a psychiatrist or a researcher or a sociologist? NO. You are obviously just a recovering junkie who gets offended when you have to face the possibility that there are stronger people in this world than you, - people who had the mental and physical fortitude to better cope with their addiction than you and the rest of the losers who fall in your dysfunctional category. You probably ain't nobody but some methadon-takin geek who struts around reeking with self importance, flaunting some jive-assed trumped-up title like "counselor". If this doesn't describe you, than you got a lot of nerve trying to pass yourself off as somebody "qualified" to speak on this subject. Puleeze. And I wasn't referring to myself in my comment about "formidable foes". That was your assumption because you obviously need to squelch the possibility that this might be true. And I sure wasn't talking about you when I used this term; not you with the warped thought processes that have spawned a befuddled mind-set that renders you totally incapable of expressing anything that has substance or consistency or logic. You're just a loose-tongued ol fart, who yearns to be something you are intellectually incapable of being. That's the most amazing thing about you. Dumb-assed nigga can't even spell the simplest of words. Pitiful. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14075 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
And, BTW, Careless, you are always trying to claim that I am "affraid" (afraid) to concede something, or that I can't admit I'm wrong. Bull. I just called attention to an error I made on another thread. There's nothing about you that inspires fear in me, and admitting I'm wrong does nothing to diminish my ego. It's immune to deflation. "Thinking-outside-the-box" is that axiom I evoke in my resistence to people like you, who think they speak the gospel. Which is to say, that your absolute pronouncements are based on what's "typical" because you and your sources don't encounter the "atypical". Humans are not clones. How one body reacts is different to how another one does. In the case of Jimi Hendricks, he would not have withdrawal symptoms when he didn't take enough heroin to make him high. His body apparently reacted to this drug in an extraordinary way. There are diseases that go into spontaneous remissions, and there is how one person recovers from an ailment that kills another. Some people can drink and never get drunk, some people can eat prodigious amounts of food and never get fat. Who knows how many people can dabble in drugs and not get hooked because of the aberrations of their physical or mental make-up. "Cold turkey" is really a catch-all abstract phrase. And if this doesn't register with you, I.could.not.care.less. Now, that I'm done with taking my mind off how terrible the Bears are playing, I'll go back to watching the VH1 Video awards, in hopes that Kanye West will run amok again. Talk about "dope".  . I love this nut, and his addiction to the bizarre. As for you. EU. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2233 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Riiiiight. He's one thing I do know. I know you are frustrated because you've brought nothing to the table ....NOTHING! Who said "no one" kicks their habit, huh, who said that? You were the one that implied that kicking a habit is like 1-2-3. I said it's rarely done "cold turkey". All you brought to the table was old black Joe from 60 years ago. Believe me when I say I am qualified to speak on this subject. What's your qualifications to dispute anything I say. OOPs, being old and frustated is not a qualification to talk about addictions. You should really go cut and paste some knowleged. Because on this subject, it's obvious you are over your head. Your take on Jimi Hendricks sealed the deal! Not to mention Old black Joe who kicked his habit ...right there on the street. Haven't you been listening? NO ONE kicks a habit "right there on the street". Again you're talking stupid. Don't you feel stupid - huh? How do you stand yourself. Again, I am asking you to find a statement of mine that is not true and then come back and holler. Straightup, you're not going to find one. Now ask me to do the same in your posts. OOPs, I've already done that on several occasions. You should go back to your card game, because your pants are down and it's an ugly sight. This has been like hitting an old midget with a brick. STAY DOWN! Oh wait, I have a spelling disorder. :-) Okay, I am also immature, dumbass nigga,simple ass jaw jerker, old fart, etc,. AND? I know I am but what are you?! Don't, the answer is obvious. On a personal note, I'd bet that you take more medications than me. You know why? I take nothing - notta. Not even aspirins. You know what I am thinking, YOU might be suffering from an addiction. Bingo! Is that's why you're defending drug addicts? I think I've just hit the jackpot. I'll tell you what, you have all the signs of an addict in hiding, or someone close to you is suffering. Is that what it is? Have you been over medicating yourself? Let me give you my card so you can make a reservation to come see me. The white girl cry is off the board. Please, no sad stories, it's only your denial. When are you going to put that razor down and come with a few facts. Name calling is just so beneath you - don't your think? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14076 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
. Really gotcha going, eh? So much so that as usual you are not thinking straight but fashioning your case from things I have not claimed. I simply suggested that you only know what you know. But you don't know everything. Of course your pea brain cannot process this abstract idea. So just keep on convincing yourself that there's nothing you don't know about drugs. I drew from my experiences to make some observations, and you went out of your mind, because you were jolted out of your comfort zone. And I'm still trying to figure out what makes you an expert on this subject; all you do is parrot common knowledge. Everybody knows that some people can get hooked on narcotics and kicking the habit requires them to go through a grueling process. That's all the knowledge you have dispensed and I have not disputed this. Poor ol deluded fella. That's why I'm really not inclined to take your word that you are not on anything because you see things that are not there, and your sulking betrays your composure. Yep, I take blood pressure and cholestrol pills but I never had my prescription for percodin re-filled because - hold your piss back - my brain is not wired in such a way that compels me to depend on drugs -.  . I meditate and do yoga exercises to dispel my aches and pains. Well, Dr. Carey-Quacker, I think we've exhausted this subject. Gotta go check my FaceBook. Sure you don't wanna go hit that bong???  | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2236 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Never did like smoking maryjane from a bong, Cynique. Nope, you go right ahead. Yep, we've kicked this one to the ground. Good night you old frog. :-) | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 8190 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
He did not kick his habit cold turkey. See, you probably don't even know what "cold turkey" means (How did he kick it, then?) | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14078 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Don't ask Carey questions that require a coherent explanation, Chris. To pond scum like him, everybody looks like a frog, and hard questions leave his clogged-up brain inoperable. | ||
| Carey AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Carey Post Number: 2237 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Am done with this one. This is like trying to sell Jeri Curl at a KKK rally. Hard questions? Nope, already answered it. People get what they are looking for. In this case, I opened with a post that had nothing to do with Miles Davis, yet, someone had to spoil the broth (as usual) by breathing over it. Some people have nothing to do but throw darts at the posts of others. If you don't believe me, check their 14,000! posts and see how creative they've been. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14086 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Don't blame others for spoiling your stupid posts, Carey-Warey. Anybody who expects their "essays" to be above reproach and only draw praise, needs to stop posting. And what would a dispenser of trite garbage like you know about "creativity". |
