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Renata
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Renata
Post Number: 193
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 12:38 am: | 
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Suthun_Belle
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[url"http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=72113"url]
Be honest about how you feel.
I hate it when the website doesn't give the entire story like the news does.
Basically, a teacher (white) was giving candy to the class, except to one student (who happened to be black). He asked why he didn't get any candy. She told him that he would have to crawl on the floor and lick her toes to get any candy.
The mother said that she wants the teacher fired. The school district and the predominantly white community said that nothing was done inappropriately by the teacher and they will not fire her (or even discipline her). Residents were protesting saying that the MOTHER should apologize for trying to get the teacher fired and they will stand behind the teacher on this matter.
devilsadvocate666
2 out of 3
That's racist, pure and simple. She was telling the kid that he would basically have to grovel like that for a piece of candy for no reason that was listed. And honestly, what kind of a sick person would do that to a kid? Really, no one who does that should be teaching children.
Suthun_Belle
3 out of 3
Not to stoke a fire, even though I'm sure it probably will, but my mother told me growing up that it doesn't matter what a white person does to a black person, the black person will always be in the wrong and the white person will be made to be the victim. In this particular case at least, I can't say that she was wrong.
Keep in mind that the majority of white people in that area feel that nothing is inappropriate in asking children to lick your toes for candy. Also, they feel the mother is wrong to be angry about it. So, just to gauge the opinion of general white people, are there any here who feel it would be ok if your own children were asked to do the same? And if not, would you find it wrong to be angry about it?
Renata: can you f*#&ing believe this? |
Roxie
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Roxie
Post Number: 335
Registered: 06-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 06:23 am: |
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I'd hope someone is working HARD AS HELL to get the national media on the scene. You know those crackers (that's what these ppl are) would HATE the attention and ensuing blacklash. ;)
This is also one of the perfect opportunities for Jessie and Al to do their thing! |
Rustang
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Rustang
Post Number: 199
Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 09:09 am: |
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Carroll county GA has been a major Klan stronghold ever since 'The Nigger' started taking over Atlanta.The Klan folks migrated westward to the Carrolton/Douglasville and eastward to Stone Mountain.They've never really been what you'ld call hospitable to black folks.Truth be told, you probably couldn't drag Al or Jessie out there with a logging chain. Especially Jessie.He knows those folks would have no problem with causing something bad to happen to him.He'ld need to be on camera every moment of every day.But maybe they've eased up some since I was a kid.Apparantly, not much, but maybe. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 892
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 09:59 am: |
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It may have been wrong, yes. But where's the evidence to suggest it's racist.
Maybe she just didn't like this particular kid, mabe not.... Unless there's a lot more to this story than we know, which could very well be the case, there's nothing racist to be alarmed about.
Tonya
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Babygirl
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Babygirl
Post Number: 147
Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 02:39 pm: |
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There is still reason to be alarmed, racist or not. Had they all been green, what right did this teacher, an adult, have commanding a child to "crawl on the floor and lick her toes" for a piece of candy? Her actions were cruel and inhuman. He was a child, not a dog and it doesn't matter if he was the student from hell and she hated his soul, she should NOT be in a classroom having any impact whatsoever on anybody's child. I'm more mortified that the community would find such behavior acceptable and I don't care whether the student was white, black, blue or purple. He was a child. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 897
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 04:11 pm: |
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I agree that, if that indeed happened, it was wrong and the community should be appalled, racist or not. But, right or wrong, the fact that it's being blamed on racism without a shred of evidence to support it (if that really is the case), could be why the community is either slow or refuse to react. They might be completely turned off, again, right or wrong. Does this mean the community is comprised of a bunch of racist? So far, there's not enough evidence to support that neither. There's a lot of questions that needs to be answered. Did the mother go to the school claiming racism before anything else? Did the community have a chance to react before, what appears to be, a baseless claim of racism? The bigger picture is, if this gets clouded by an unfounded allegation of racism, the real problem never gets fixed -- people are too caught up in the hype. Had it just been approached as a case of cruelty and inhumanity then MAYBE (?) the problem could of been resolved more quickly; and, if not, then there'd probably be a basis for declaring racism. Of course, I'm just speculating because I don't know what happened.
Tonya |
Rustang
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Rustang
Post Number: 200
Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 11:24 am: |
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What you are saying, Tonya, is "I have never in my life been to Carroll county, GA".If a black teacher did that to a white student there, that teacher would have been dead before suppertime.I don't think that you really appreciate just how solidly supportive of the Klan certain places are.I grew up about 50 miles north of there and I won't even drive through there on interstate 20 unless there is absolutely no way not to.If my car decides to break down there, I'm pushing it to Atlanta before I call for a tow truck.It was racially motivated.Count on it. |
Renata
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Renata
Post Number: 194
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 05:31 pm: |
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What I find really interesting is that the town is protesting the mother as if she did something wrong. |
Nels
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Nels
Post Number: 161
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 02:50 am: |
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Don't sweat it. One day this teacher will cross the double yellow line. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 907
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 03:26 am: |
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I'll take your word, Rustang. |
Roxie
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Roxie
Post Number: 337
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 08:19 am: |
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Don't ya just wish Carroll County, GA was wiped out by Katrina or Rita? |
Rustang
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Rustang
Post Number: 206
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 11:10 am: |
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To Roxie:I'd have to say no, I don't.The reason that I have the right to find the mean-spirited hatefulness of these people objectionable is based on the fact that I haven't poisoned my own spirit with the same thing.If I quietly chuckle to myself when someone calls in an airstrike from god on them, how am I any better than they are? It is no longer a question of right and wrong but one of power and the lack thereof.Taking the moral high ground is easy.Holding it is a little more difficult.To do that, one must be willing and eager to alleviate suffering, no matter who's, whenever it appears.Anger born of pain must be displaced by compassion and the hope for a better day when ignorance and malice are no longer the guiding principles of society.But, this is just my opinion.There are many ways to view any question. |
Renata
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Renata
Post Number: 195
Registered: 08-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 12:31 pm: |
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"Anger born of pain must be displaced by compassion and the hope for a better day when ignorance and malice are no longer the guiding principles of society."
I don't particularly agree, Rustang. Basically, you're saying to just say nothing, ignore it, and if we're compassionate and understanding enough, other people will stop it. Generations before us did just that, and only when someone made it their point to stop it did we see any progress.
I think something should be done, I'm just not exactly sure what. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 909
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 01:35 pm: |
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Sounds good, Rustnag -- that's why I gave you five stars. *BUT*, as Reneta so cleverly stated, in the case of racism & power struggle in general, we need to do *SOMETHING* about it. Now, I'm not advocating we burn down Carrol County, but as far as racism/power is concerned, I am advocating we fight fire with fire. You've already admitted we've proven we're no more moral than anyone else.. so lets stop trying to take the moral high ground.
It sounds good; but it feels stupid.. 'cause it is...
Tonya |
Rustang
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Rustang
Post Number: 207
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 05:23 pm: |
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To Renata:No, that isn't what I'm saying at all.You can actively oppose wrong without hating the wrong-doer.What I'm saying is that if I'm as twisted up and malicious as they are, then I have relinquished my claim to having right on my side."Ignore it and maybe it will just go away" has never been a strategem I employ.
To Tonya:I've sure been called worse things than stupid before.Morality is not a quality possessed by a race, it's a quality which an individual either does or does not possess in varying degrees.Wasting the time and energy required to replace a hateful, ignorant troglodyte with a different hateful, ignorant troglodyte is not really a program that I would be able to get on board with.If I am going to fight for change, it will be for change for the better not change of oppressor.If we are unable to take and hold the moral high ground then I see no sense in fighting at all.What's the point?Doing wrong is easy.It requires no thought, no sacrifice.Just start tearing up stuff and step on the neck of anyone that stands between you and what your greed dictates that you must have.Hyennas can do that.I hold myself to a higher standard than I do the hyennas.Loving mom and puppies and autumn sunsets does not make me a loving person.That accumulates no merit at all.How am I doing on Heinrich Himmler or J.B. Stoner? That's a little more difficult, but more telling of what sort of person I actually am.But again, that's just my opinion. |
Roxie
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Roxie
Post Number: 341
Registered: 06-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 05:49 pm: |
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Whoa!Why the hell is everyone takng my statement so seriously? O_o!
Even I'M reasonable enough to know God wouldn't use natural disasters to single out a group of people (contrary to what is told in "the word.").
Way to underestimate me Rutang. How about sending that post to the crazy lady who runs http://www.godbroughtthetsunami.com ?She needs it more than I do. |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 208
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 06:24 pm: |
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To Roxie:I didn't think for a moment that you meant that as a serious comment.I just thought that I'd throw that out there to see if I could get someone to bite.Apparantly, I was successful. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 911
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 09:16 pm: |
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***I am going to fight for change, it will be for change for the better not change of oppressor.***
I'm not crazy about oppressing people neither; but if it's either eat or be eaten, I'm going to either eat, or *not complain* about being eaten.
***If we are unable to take and hold the moral high ground then I see no sense in fighting at all.***
Ditto what I said above.
***Doing wrong is easy.It requires no thought, no sacrifice.***
Are you kidding, Rustang? So, Hitler's plan required no thought?
Also, some of the very men that you and others often complain about on these threads have pulled off the most brilliant stunt known to man; which, no doubt, required a lot of thought. When you've program the world to literally worship your every move, despite the fact that you shit on their faces whenever it pleases you, you've gotta always be thinking, because that kind of manipulation and exploitation requires constant thought.
As for sacrifice, some could easily argue that what the US millitary's been doing to poorer nations over the decades is totally wrong; still, it took a lot of dead soldiers to accomplish those missions -- I'd call that "sacrifice."
Tonya
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3048
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 09:19 pm: |
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America is currently under world-wide scrutiny, her status as moral leader of the world eroding because she emulated her enemies and committed terrible atrocities against prisoners of war. Like Rustang implies, knowing right from wrong is what makes us human;doing right instead of wrong is what makes us divine. Some dreamer once said that black Americans have a perfect opportunity to set an example for white Americans by not being vindictive against them; Martin Luther King wanted us to love our enemies, but this ideal didn't catch on that well. Yet, the lesson about loving our enemies can be applied to the black race because within it, we have met the enemy and it is us! LOL Well, Rustang, how's that for biting? Now, back to contemplating my navel. Ohmmmmmmmm. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 912
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 09:33 pm: |
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Oops:"you gotta always be thinking"... |
Rustang
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Rustang
Post Number: 209
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 08:49 am: |
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To Tonya:If you look at Hitler's 'plan' for for the war, you will agree that no, it required no thought.Overlooking the multitude of more subtle mistakes he made, invading Russia when he did was just plain stupid.His rate of expansion was far too quick to do anything but draw the U.S. into the war, which after they got rolling, could build a ship faster than the germans could build a torpedo to sink it with.For people like bush, casualty rates of soldiers are no sacrifice.Losing a soldier doesn't inconvenience a ruler at all.No thinking, just build a bunch of guns and start tearing up some stuff. |
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