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Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 886 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 10:14 pm: |

Questions for white Americans
November 15, 2005 © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
I have a few questions for white Americans. How many of you spend your private moments plotting what you can do to keep black Americans down? How many of you, when gathered with friends, spend time plotting against blacks?
How many of you who are business owners and happen to be white spend your time scheming ways to not hire blacks? How many of you purposefully have moved where there are no blacks, or would sell your home if a black family moved in? How many of you are nice to the only black family in your town, because they are the only black family in your town? If several black families moved in, would you move out?
How many of you secretly, behind their backs call blacks racist or hateful names? How many of you view yourselves as superior exclusively to blacks? Which of you hate having to speak or interact with blacks? How many of you resent having to work, ride the subways, eat with or be in the same area with blacks?
In my experience, I would argue confidently that the overwhelming majority – 95 percent or more – would not be able to answer in the affirmative to any of the questions proffered. But I'm not done yet.
How many of you who are white conservative politicians caucus together plotting what can legitimately be done to put a foot on the throat of blacks? How many of you blocked the polling places to suppress the black vote? Which of you have intentionally gone out of your way to cause hardships for blacks?
How many of you who are white Americans, own slaves or practice Jim Crow? How many of you have parents who own slaves or practice Jim Crow? How many of you have ancestors who did the same? How many of you have ancestry that immigrated here after slavery was abolished?
My not so subtle point is that white Americans have not been plotting to keep blacks down, and none today participated in slavery in any way. Allowing for same, the question that begs an answer is why then should white Americans feel guilty for something they share no part in? Better put: Why are so many white Americans saddled with guilt or allowing themselves to be saddled with guilt?
I'm not going to win any popularity contests .
with the race mongers who trade on race. And truth be known, I couldn't care less, because I have nothing in common with Belial.
Far too many today have bought into the politically correct racist agitprop that whites are responsible for the so-called plight of the black man. Far too many whites have bought the demagogic lie that blacks are owed special dispensation because of that which all groups have suffered at some point in history, i.e., slavery, mistreatment and disrespect.
In the day in which we live, it is not about race – it is about choices, marketable skills, education and initiative. Why would one choose to feel guilty because another exercises bad judgment pursuant to their life choices? I should also add that choosing to help someone because they need it or because you want to, is not synonymous with guilt.
It is white guilt that has allowed the racialized fungus to grow in the Petri dish of the "Great Society" initiatives. Race mongers have seized upon said guilt like a blood-sucking parasite to its host. Many blacks today are angry and bitter for mythological reasons. They reference or point to situations as evidence, in effect making a fact fit their effete theories.
I'm not suggesting intolerance, prejudice, bigotry and racism on some level doesn't exist. I am saying that anecdotal evidences of same are not reason for whites to suffer permanent genuflection, nor is it sufficient to support the bitterness and rage that consumes so many blacks today.
White guilt is not vicinal – it has led not only to the entitlement generation that gave us the welfare era, but it has hobbled countless numbers for generations, since they perceive their only chance for loosely defined success is through affirmative-action programs based solely on color of skin and ethnicity.
The tragic consequence of white guilt is not only that it blames the collective of those who are factually blameless, it creates a greater bigotry. White America is not responsible for the well-being of blacks – blacks are responsible for their own well-being within the fabric of civilized Americanism.
Whites must shed their vestiges of guilt and blacks must get beyond anger, resentment and blame – even if it takes the mantle away from the apologists, and the bread out of the mouths of those who trade on immiseration.
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Mychal Massie is a nationally recognized political activist, pundit and columnist. He is host of the widely popular talk show "Straight Talk." He has appeared on the Fox News Channel, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, Comcast Cable and talk radio programming nationwide. He is a former self-employed business owner of over 30 years and a member of the conservative public policy institute National Center for Public Policy Research-Project 21.
Cynique
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Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 12:25 am: |

This article will put ol 250-lb brittle-brained Chrishayden at risk for a stroke. Look out below. Thud! Call 911. LMAO. I love it! I can picture him now, droopy-eyed and slack-mouth repeating the only lines his mind retained: white skin is automatic entitlement and the playing field needs to be leveled and institutionalized racism stacks the system against blacks and only self-hating Uncle Toms would speak such blasephemey. So just ignore these voices and listen to me, Chrishayden. I am the spokesman who knows all the rationales to thwart criticism and if you just keeping listening to me, Chrishayden, I'll continue to remind you of what is what and console you when you start to wonder why black demands and expectations are not met...10-year pause ensues after which Chris again finds his tongue: ...well, maybe we blacks should just get our own country cuz the land of opportunity has yet to become the United States of Utopia.zzzzzzzz
Moonsigns
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Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 12:11 pm: |

Interesting.
Rustang
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Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 06:06 pm: |

Well, I suppose that since he probably never took an oath of loyalty he couldn't really be considered a traitor, but it seems that he is rather badly out of touch with how blue collar white folks feel about things. In the circles he probably travels that might be the case, although I doubt it, but down here with the mere mortals things are a bit different.They might not actively hold us down but many passively refuse to let us up.One doesn't need to plan and organize on how not to hire black folks,all they have to do is just don't hire that nigger that just put in the application.I have walked up on the racial slurs before the guy realized that I was there way too often for it to be an aberration.But, I could have a different perspective than he does.I live in a predominately white neighborhood in which houses typically go for something in 150 to 170 range and my work puts me in constant contact with 'car guys' which are almost invariably white, so I'm pretty much right in there amongst the white folks and what I'm seeing bears little resemblance to what Massie describes.I would put the split at about 60/40 with the 40 being white folks that are only interested in the way that a person conducts themself and care nothing about race.
Yukio
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Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 07:59 pm: |

Rustang: hmmmm...I also have seen racism. not in employment but in terms of slurs; it is difficult to really identify if a person is discriminated unless you have someone on the inside doing research. BUt of course, as you say, they can discard an application.
I see the present quite different; I do think there is white entitlement, but I also recognize that there is a class war. For different reasons, there is a large poor population, representing various ethncity, socalled races, and nationalities. White poverty is embedded in regular ol' neglect, deindustrialization and out sourcing! Black folks' poverty is the result of the latter and of course racism. What is problematic about Massie and his cohorts, is that these transformation were going on before the 1960s, the Great Society initiatives, and nationalized affirmatie action. Many of these issues, according to historian Thomas Sugrue, are the result of conflict between black and white workers, black and white homeowners, both groups and industrial magnates, and the negliegence of the state!
Cynique
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Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:07 pm: |

The writer of the article was simply espousing the standard conservative philosophy, a point of view which is very seductive in writing, just as the response to it can sound very plausible in words. So, to me, it's all about distilling the truth from each of these credos, taking it for what it's worth, and then proceeding to make your own way. Such is life.
Tonya
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Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 11:59 pm: |

I've seen, several times, with my own eyes, professional black businessmen & women rufusing to hire/promote black women, based on skin color. It appears, all men are capable of the same evil. White men just happen to be more crafty & inventive; therefore, they win.
Tonya
Rustang
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Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 07:25 pm: |

To Yukio:It seems that for the vast majority of whites that 'entitlement' consists solely of not starting out with two strikes against them, as a black does, which still gives them a pretty good toe-hold as far as competing with identically qualified applicants for the same position which happen to be black.Ultimately, the problem is one of power and wealth, not of racism.Racism is one ( of many )by-products of the desire of the few that have to have an adundant source of cheap or free labor from the immense pool of those that have not.Or, at least, not enough.The affirmative action programs have been allowed to proceed, as has the women's rights movement, to double the available work force, thereby driving down the cost of labor.There are more jobs in this country today than there were forty years ago, yet unemployment is also higher.The reason is simple.Blacks are competing for jobs today for which they would not have been considered forty years ago, as are women.So, in a way, individual achievement is complicite with maintaining group failure.It's a strange world that we live in.
Renata
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Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 10:28 pm: |

Tonya, I've read somewhere before that a lot of blacks have something called "top nigger in charge" syndrome.
Maybe I read it here somewhere, I don't remember.
Chrishayden
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Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 12:18 pm: |

I was speaking with a white man who is associated with Civic Progress, the organization of powerful CEO's that some say run St. Louis.
He told me that, no they do not sit around and plot on screwing black folks. He said that some actions that wound up screwing black folks were taken without thought--ie it goes without saying that they are not going to control the purse strings of the city, or control their hiring practices, or jack their members up for discrimination.
They don't even have to think about it. Just like they don't have to state the reason why they wouldn't let a black in their country clubs.
Tonya
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Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 07:09 pm: |

I'm more concerned with why a black would want to be in their country clubs. I'd be more interested in hearing a black man "state the reason why."
Honesty, I never understood that... and I don't buy that it's strictly for business reasons.
Tonya
Afroamerican
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Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 08:21 pm: |

They want to join because everyone wants to be part of something EXCLUSIVE!
The stricter the standards the higher the desire it is to "get in".
White people know EXACTLY what they are doing.....
Abm
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Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 08:10 am: |

Chris,
I am sure you know that what you describe in "Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 12:18 pm:" is what's commonly referred to as Institutionalized Racism.

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