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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 80
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 09:21 pm: | 
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As major life-altering events rapidly unfold in the eyes of the world, Black America (or whatever you want to call it) has subtlety engaged in identity abstraction (i.e., professed non-affiliation), as it “chews” on a constant stream of conditioned and censored print and broadcast media. With a constant parade of negative images of (and stories about) people of color pouring through media everywhere, a substantial portion of so-called Black America now seems to find itself more and more at arms length with the only heritage that much of it has ever know.
Are Blacks really Black? Are Blacks really African American? What are Blacks? What does it really mean to be Black? Are Blacks merely associative? Many Blacks are still burdened with the task of figuring out just who they really are in terms of race, culture, ethnicity, heritage and much more. One thing we know for sure - the White-controlled media did a damn good job of portraying the most negative elements of Black America’s constituency of “poor and disadvantaged” people, succeeding in a strategic broad-brush of an entire class (and so-called race) of people identified as such by the ever-encroaching White establishment itself. As a result, despite many deeds of tremendous generosity and compassion on behalf of the victims of Hurricane Katrina, much of the Black elite, the Black middle class, and the Black up-and-coming, is (behind the scenes) going to great lengths to “un-identify” itself with the faces and images of a rudderless New Orleans tragedy.
Progressive Black America is striving hard to distance itself from the very ignorance that it knows exists within the decaying infrastructures of America’s big cities and rural backcountry. No longer hampered by the shackles of a “uni-thinking” cadre of unproductive Black American political leaders, caucuses and talking heads, it now is beginning to carve out a niche and define a direction that does not include the ignorant masses from its past.
With that in mind, where does this leave those left behind - the ignorant, the impoverished, the felonious by circumstance, the chronically unemployed and ill, etc.? In an endless cycle of despair, that is - Yes. No hope, no vision and no future. As much as Black America wants to deny it, as an entity, its hub is beginning to fragment like that of a spinning pottery wheel gone out of control. With the winds of Hurricane Katrina acting as “the” catalyst of a new modern-day Diaspora of what was once a non-cohesive but culturally-rich society of aggregates - Blacks, Whites, Creoles, Indians, Asians and the like, this massive dispersion of so many people of which Blacks constitute a majority, has now put a new face on anguish, anxiety, desperation and a lack of identify, as far as Blacks are concerned.
In conclusion, through cultural dispersion, familial dilution, intermarriage, interracial marriage, inter-social striation, socioeconomic indifference and other mechanisms, the Black American identity may in effect be in the process of actually “evolving” and “morphing” into a totally new mantra of both acceptance and denial, completely ignoring White America’s futile attempts to reclassify and redefine the Black American society, post Katrina. Is “The Black Identity” now being held hostage? You bet it is.
True or imaginary, the possibilities are endless.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2582
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 01:25 am: |
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The middle classes of any society have not been quick to embrace altruism. And the black bourgeosie has no motivation to be any different. In time, viable people of color will probably morph into a neo sub-species. So the black underclass will either have to learn to swim or end up sinking deeper into poverty and despair. Of course it's blasphemy to say that if the poor didn't reproduce so wantonly, they would decrease in numbers and thus increase the chances of their chances of getting a bigger piece of the pie. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 349
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 07:22 am: |
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As always, Nels, interesting post.
The grass is not greener. I grew up in an affluent all white neighborhood. The people who lived there were doctors, lawyers, judges, and politicians. Due to the location, the neighborhood schools were considered to be the best public schools in the city, and the kids who attended these schools got the reputation of being among the best and the brightest. Unsurprisingly, people went out of their way to gain access to this neighborhood along with it's schools. As a result, that section of town is seen by many as one of the best places in the city to live, and, more importantly, to send children to school. In reality, however, things are nothing as they seem. In elementary school I was completely ignored by every body, including teachers and administrators. Every year, I was passed along just for showing up. There were kids who did a whole lot better than me, yet they failed while I was sent to the next grade. None of that is surprising since I was one of the few black faces around, but when I got to high school, I witnessed some things that would probably shock many who believe that things are better in that section of town. First of all, white kids do/deal a million times more drugs than black kids. On school campus, there was a drug dealer on every corner and they sold everything from pills to cocaine. There was always free beer on campus to go along with the drugs that was purchased. The campus grounds were huge and there was an area where kids (myself included) would get together, combine their lunch money, buy a sandwich bag full of weed, grab some beer, and get fuuuuckkked up. This was something we did every day - all day. We'd cut every class, except for first period (to get signed in) and gym. Don’t ask me why we went to gym -- I guess it was fun to be swinging from ropes, high as a mutha fucka. But one day, along with a few other kids, I got caught smoking weed and was kicked out of school. Long story short, I ended up going to an all black school. When I arrived, the first thing I looked for was the weed man -- I wanted to start my day right. Eventually, I ran into a group of students who seemed friendly and popular, so I figured they’d know were I could get some weed, but when I asked them, they looked at me like I was from another planet. After awhile, one of the girls politely said, in a low whispering voice, “we don’t do drugs here”. I was surprised and embarrassed at the same time. I was embarrassed because they were all looking at me like I was some junkie (to them, weed was “drugs”) and I was surprised because it was an urban all black school. Back then - according to the press - black schools were littered with drugs, so I expected to find a weed man on every corner, and since my former uppity all white school had weed men everywhere, I figured this school would have double the weed men. The group of girls were right, though, there was not one weed man there. It took me a few weeks to get over the shock (and the jones) but during this time I became friends with the girls, and, eventually, they influenced me to not only quite smoking weed (that was looked down upon by them) they also influenced me, through peer pressure, to take school work seriously. Before them, I was used to being ignored and passed along in all white schools, so I never focused on school work -- I didn’t have to. But after being with them I was inspired to become a better student. (wich is much easier to do when your not smoking weed). And on top of everything else, I was even motivated to prepare for college.
I say the grass is not greener because, in my experience, it wasn’t.
Tonya
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2583
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 12:08 pm: |
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I thought you were a sista girl who lived in the inner city, "Tonya." At least that what you were quick to remind me when you first showed up, saying something to the effect that people like me didn't relate to people from the ghetto like you. tsk-tsk. |
Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 199
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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The other day my sociology teacher was condemning P.diddy as racist for running a fund that only meant to benefit black ppl. Of course, me and the few unconditioned black classmates just looked at each other to reassure that we knew the REAL reason.
Then later, She added how she's against Affirmative action b/c she lost addmission to an all-white college to a cuban kid who equaled her in grade point average. There was no point in explaining the complexities of Affirmative action to such a foolish woman.So, unfortunately, the conditioning is in the classroom too.
Anyway,
Even though I grew up in the best conditions and speak an anchorman's english,it didn't stop certain people from....
.....askng me if I knew who shot suge knight (as a serious question)
.....suggesting I talk "sassy" in the school play and get angry when I can't do it right.
......insisting that I sign up for UNCF even though they know I can afford college.
...... asking if I lived in the projects when I told them what city I was from.
......hysterically chasing me and my grandmother down in the mall whenever the metal strips in my newly purchased CDs set the detector off.
....... finding no shame in suggesting I try applying for custodial work even though they'd be offended if anyone suggested the same to their little jewish daughters!(ahem, 'scuse me)
...... concluding that I must be Sri Lankan, east african or some other dark foreigner, because no NATURAL african americans would naturallly talk, act or dress like me.
Blacks who do run away from the negative should stop, because whether you're poor or wealthy, others will always see "Black" (or worse), so it's pointless to run. God,as long as we keep acknowleging the Dominant group's authority in defining us, this spiral's gonna continue.
Nels, do you write for magazines or other periodicals? If not, have you ever considered it?
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 350
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 02:06 pm: |
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Cynnique, I do live in the inner city (ghetto).I said I grew up in an all white affluent neighborhood, but, as one would imagine, I've grown up since then (both figuratively and literally).
Here's something else that may surprise you, because I own my own house (albeit in the inner city/ghetto) - because I make the kind of salary that I make - and because I'm a single person living off that salery, I'm considered middle class. (I wish I could convince Uncle Sam otherwise). But - due to the attitudes of those from the "black middle class" and because of people like you ( can't afford to move out of the ghetto; therefore, goes around hating self and fellow ghettomates) - I will probably NEVER consider myself a member of the "black middle class".
BTW, if they're selling loose cigarettes in your neighborhood - quess what - you're in the ghetto...
So, welcome...
Tonya |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2585
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 02:19 pm: |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watta crock. Remind me to stop wasting my time with you. BTW, you were the one who assumed I didn't live in the ghetto. I never said I didn't. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 351
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 02:38 pm: |
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HAHA!!!!!
Thought you'd come better than that!
whatsta matta -- cat got your tongue???
Tonya |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2587
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 02:47 pm: |
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Nothing in that concocted scenario was worthy of a reply, including this. Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Gotta go watch the Bears play. But don't despair. You can always carry on a conversation with yourself - like you always do. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 352
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 03:36 pm: |
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Yeah, do ya thing, girlie, Cuz you caaaan't handle anymore of this:
ya self-hating, ghetto loathing, poverty stricken, wannabe.
I'm waaaay too respectful of the elderly to take it to the gutter, but I ain't too polite to tell your niggerish ass to...
FUCK OFF.
DAMN! You caught me on a really bad day... So in the words of Dirty Harry (or some white dude)...
"COME ON - MAKE MY DAY!"... GIVE ME A COME BACK!
But then again - why bother - I know you won't - so in the words of another famous white dude...
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"... BIOOOOITCH!!!
So go fuck yourself.
And bring me some water from the big house...
HOUSE NIGGER BITCH!!!!
TONYA
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Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 704
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 07:42 pm: |
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Again: the topic was?...LOL
Well, so long as everyone is so off topic--Cynique, I was in your neck of the woods over Labor Day w/the family. It had been years since I had more than just passed thru (btwn Twin Cities and Indianapolis). I was reminded once again why Chicago is one of my favorite cities. We did the Navy Pier, Children's Museum, Shedd Aquarium and B-B-Q at some friends' house... A much needed get-away.
*sigh*
I think it's time to move away from Prince-land and to a chocolate city somewhere! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2588
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 10:31 pm: |
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Hi Yvette. Kola-nut is so pitiful. And I know she's frustrated that in her "Tonya" identity she can't run all of her favorite pictures. Whatever. Sooo, why didn't I know you lived in Minnesota??? Anyway, glad you had a chance to appreciate our fair city. We like to think of Chicago as the gem of the midwest, and although New York refers to us as the second city, Chicago's distinct flava makes it second to no place. I've lived a short distance away from it all of my life and I've never ceased to be in awe of the "windy city".
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 353
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 12:09 am: |
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What??? Am I suppose to be scurrrd because your friend (Yvette) tried to bail your sorry ass out??? She can go fuck herself too. Hi yellow whore!
Call it The Chocolate City, The Windy City, Oprah Land, whatever... it's still the ghetto.
Besides, you got cussed out mainly because of this comment:
"Of course it's blasphemy to say that if the poor didn't reproduce so wantonly, they would decrease in numbers and thus increase the chances of their chances of getting a bigger piece of the pie."
JUST LIKE A GHETTO ASS HOUSE NIGGER!
Tonya
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Deebaby
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Username: Deebaby
Post Number: 35
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 04:55 am: |
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Cynique says:
"The middle classes of any society have not been quick to embrace altruism."
I agree...
but then, was that true of Black folk pre-intregation?
Also,
I don't get how not reproducing "so wantonly" would afford Black folk a bigger piece of the pie."
Tanya,
the thing about the other side is, well...there's grass.
I can't imagine why you couldn't find the weed man in your Black school.
I woulda found him...*lol*
No doubt, middle class white teens carry on, but they'll still be labeled "good kids" from "good families" regardless...
Dang Roxie,
Those dont' sound like the "best conditions" to me.
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 354
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 11:46 am: |
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LOL!!! Geeerl, believe me, I was searching my behind off at first. But pretty soon those girls rubbed off on me. They were smart, popular, fun to be with and they took an interest in me. That was something I wasn't used to since I spent most of my life being virtually invisible. I instantly wanted to fit in and fitting in with them meant doing the right thing. Had my search lasted more than a minute, I probably would've found a weed man somewhere. When I look back, I realize that, in many ways, they were a blessing. I haven't smoked weed since then and, honey, I was a Stone Cold Pot-Head.
So, who knows, had it not been for them, I'd probably be rolling a couple of blunts right now, and LMBAO!!!
Tonya |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 707
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 12:17 pm: |
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Am I suppose to be scurrrd because your friend (Yvette) tried to bail your sorry ass out??? She can go fuck herself too.
Now, Tonya, why can't we all be friends? At any rate, the last thing Cynique (or anyone else who dares come on this board! LOL) needs is someone to "bail" them out.
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Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 203
Registered: 06-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 01:10 pm: |
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Tonya,
---Those dont' sound like the "best conditions" to me.---
I meant the best economically. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 569
Registered: 02-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 04:16 pm: |
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Hi Tonya, 
Please don't attack Yvette.
She's one of my favorites and she only tries to break up fights---not because she's on a particular side---but because her nature can't take the drama.
She's the delicate, peacable sister and we need more of that type, too.
If you get to know Yvette, she's a smart thinker and genuinely cares about nurturing and uplifting everybody in our community. I really like and respect her and she USUALLY makes enormous sense to me.
She's not mentally quirky like "moi"....so she fights the same war I do, but she's more levelheaded and softspoken---but I still like the way she fights. She's down.
Hi Roxie, too!
Cynique is basically the only person we have on here who deliberately goes out of her way to start fights and attack people.
She and I have been fighting for years.
ALSO---to the newbies (Renita, Tonya, Deebaby):
When you see "Snakegirl" on Thumper's board....that's me. But I'm not allowed to post on his board...so I have use fake names to post on his side.
THIS BOARD "Culture and Race" is Troy Johnson's board.
My board is the "KOOL ROOM".
love yall, Kola
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2594
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 05:21 pm: |
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Oh, shut up, Kola-nut. You're flying off the handle and cursing out anybody who you suspect is light-skinned, or who disagrees with your narrow views on colorism makes you the main fight starter around here, as evidenced by your tirade against Yvette in the guise of Tonya. And lord help anyone who offends you when you're high on the sauce. And quit lying about being banned from Thumper's corner. If you were banned as Kola you'd be banned as Snake girl, too, since eveybody knows that's one of your many aliases. You're such a joke. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 356
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 05:37 pm: |
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What's up, kola!
"Please don't attack Yvette. She's the delicate,peacable sister..."
I kinda figured that after she came at me like this:
"Now, Tonya, why can't we all be friends?"
LMBAO!!! I wasn't sure if she was being sincere or if she was fuckin with me, so I figured I'd lay in the cut and pay little more attention to her, to see if she really was that type of person... so thanks for clearing that up.
Yvette, girl, I was just playin! -- my bad. Please accept my apology (smile).
Roxie, that wasn't me. You aint gonna start blaming me for every goddamned thing. Re-read the post.
Kola, love ya back!
Tonya |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 708
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 06:42 pm: |
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LOL, "Snakegirl"! Re: delicate, peacable sister--Don't know about delicate, but I do appreciate and welcome the "peacable" role. I think it comes from my summer and other vacations as a child visiting my kin in E. Chicago/Gary--I couldn't fight them sistas so I had to learn to either crack a good joke or serve as mediator. I think I eventually mastered both!
Nels, if you're still around and not scared off by the womenfolk, I am interested in hearing more of your thoughts from your original post. For example, I was interested in this part:
Progressive Black America is striving hard to distance itself from the very ignorance that it knows exists within the decaying infrastructures of America’s big cities and rural backcountry. No longer hampered by the shackles of a “uni-thinking” cadre of unproductive Black American political leaders, caucuses and talking heads, it now is beginning to carve out a niche and define a direction that does not include the ignorant masses from its past. |
Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 204
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 08:23 am: |
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I'm all for peacefull discussions too. I hate to see others fight. and I hate having to fight w/ others more. I'm w/ you Yvette.
Tonya:
--Roxie, that wasn't me. You aint gonna start blaming me for every goddamned thing. Re-read the post.--
Sorry about that, tonya. I only had few seconds to scroll and read. Like I said, I hate friction, let's be friends? -_-'
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 362
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 09:13 pm: |
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YOU MAKE SURE YOUR ASS CAPITALIZE THE FIRST LETTER IN MY GODDAMN
NAME THE NEXT MUTHA FUCKIN TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLOL!!! Just messin with you, Roxie!
Love ya, Boo!
Tonya |
Negrological
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Username: Negrological
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:18 am: |
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nels,
This is profoundly optimistic posting. Do you see Katrina as the new unifying purpose the African American community has lacked since the end of the Civil Rights and Black Power Movements?
One social problem (among many) that plagues our community is we don’t have a collective goal. As a people, we are too concerned with our own individual pursuits to place serious consideration on what is best for the group. I’m not so positive Katrina has awakened Black America in a reflective sense.
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 81
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 04:32 am: |
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Negrological --
The context of your reply is interesting. However, from my perspective, I do not see Black America coming closer together now, or from here on out. As it looks, it's drifting further apart because there is no longer one social, economic, cultural, ethnic or racial fabric that defines Black America. In essence, as defined by the ODR and the EEOC, Black America has become the Human Melting Pot. Accordingly, by definition it has begun a permanent shift towards incorporating all of the nuances of other so-called non-Black races, ethnicities and cultures. What one must really understand is that 'African American' does not, has not, and never will define Black America. Once that hurdle is overcome, then the broader perspective of the observed social framework of so-called Black America can be understood.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 371
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 05:57 pm: |
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Nels: when we first met, for the life of me, I couldn't appreciate where you were coming from. I do now, however, because I'm beginning to notice that you and I see the same things -- we probably just feel differently about what we're seeing, and, of course, you have a more eloquent way of conveying them. Anyway, even though we may FEEL differently, it's good to know that more people are SEEING things for what they are.
Tonya |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2622
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 11:49 pm: |
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The handwriting is, indeed, on the wall, Nels. As you imply, the days of the "typical" African American are numbered. In the future, the color lines will become diluted to the point of being blurred. And, like it has always been known to do, class will prevail. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 83
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 03:18 am: |
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Yes, the world of Black America is indeed changing before your very eyes. It's how that change is handled that really counts. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 667
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 08:59 am: |
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"And, like it has always been known to do, class will prevail."-Cynique
So true! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 377
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 04:28 pm: |
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But the upper and middle class niggas will alwaaays be seen as the niggers they are....
No matter what they do.
AAAAHHHHH - the sweet irony of life - how entertaining... how settling... how unforgiving....
SMBAO!
Tonya |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2634
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 08:42 pm: |
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Not if they can't be categorized by color, dum-dum. Face it. The tide has turned. All of your "authentic" hopes are doomed. But keep on SYBAO if it keeps you from being in denial. ROTFLOL. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 379
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 01:40 am: |
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If they can't be catagorized by color, neither will white people, dum-dum.
But keep the faith.... Whites will give up their privileges... they'll understand.
Tonya |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 380
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 01:52 am: |
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It's something like how the rich need the poor in order to stay rich -- Whites need blacks in order to stay white.
So, yes, class will always prevail... but that ain't got a damn thing to do with color....
That shit should be quoted - it's FLY....
SMBAO!
Tonya |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 381
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 02:49 am: |
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And, to further prove my point, let me leave you with two words:
MICHEAL JACKSON. ...LOL!!!
Now I'm on the flo... can't get up....
CUZ THAT SHIT'S GONNA BE E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-I-N-G.
So I'm...
LMBAO!!!!!
Tonya
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2637
Registered: 01-2004
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Nice try, but no cigar. We're talkling about the future scenario. You're a voice in the wilderness, clinging to the past, trying to keep a stiff upper lip, laughing to keep from crying. |
Tonya
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Your past is your future... and that doesn't change until you get over the pain (self-hate). For example, Oprah Winfrey is now being refered to by serious scholars as a "MODERN MAMMY". She and her constant pandering to white people is being studied and is becoming a universal symbol for the behaviors of the majority of upper/middle class black women, who choose to trade in their blackness for a "bigger piece of the pie".
My! My! MY!....MODERN MAMMY.... What an interesting choice of words....
So ya see... the more things change......
Tonya |
Cynique
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So what does what you say have to do with the fact that I like myself and am totally comfortable in my skin and with my status, living in a town that is populated exclusively by blacks, and Latinos and Asians - people of color??? Take your desperate irrelevant arguments elsewhere. BTW, I said a looong time ago that Oprah was a "Mammy" figure. Just like Kola said long time ago what "you" just wrote, "Tonya." And I am, as you should be, tired of wasting my time arguing with you. We will never reach a common ground. So be it. |
Yukio
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hmmmm....let me state first, that I have yet to read the first post(will do so soon), but I wonder what utility does the notion "black identity" have in considering that( I hate to chagrin some of you but)there is no such thing as an authentic "black identity." Consider, for exampple, that many of the site's posters represent the Africa and African Diaspora. We have already, years and years ago, discussed and argued about this so I wont repeat myself nor others' arguments, but the conclusion was that there were different and varied notions of "black identity" according to place, for the most part.
I wonder if this discussion is about what some call "identity politics." Or is it politics as it is related to certain groups, albeit socalled race, class, gender, ethnicity, nationality, transnationality, etc...
Good Evening Cyn, KB, and others! |
Cynique
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Good Evening, Yukio. It's all yours. I'm done, babe. LOL |
Tonya
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Cynnique: Calm the fuck down. I wasn't calling you a modern mammy, woman! My point went waaay over your head cuz I was talking about upper/middle class black women and their quest to be accepted in white American society. Oprah was just an illustration and as I mentioned in my post, she's becoming a symbol. And as far as what you and Kola talked about a long time ago, I wasn't here a long time ago, so this topic is new to me. Give a sistah a break, damn!
Yukio: To be honest with you, I can't remember what this thread was originally about. And, yes, I am aware that there is no such thing as a black identity, and, I'm also aware that, as Africans, we lost our identity soon after we stepped foot of the boat.
Tonya |
Tonya
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My bad - I meant to say "off the boat." |
Cynique
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No reason for me to calm down, because I wasn't excited. Or did I say you called me a "Mammy." I don't take you as seriously as you think I do. And I am outta here. |
Nels
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Yukio --
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You may have misinterpreted the original posting, if you've taken the time to read it. In this context, the "black identity" simply means self-identifiers. Basically, it represents an abstract form of affiliation for which no historically or empirically justified alternative exists. As racial, ethnic and cultural divergence accelerates, the "black indentity" will likely play host to the forgotten few. |
Tonya
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Nels:
"As racial, ethnic and cultural divergence accelerates, the "black indentity" will likely play host to the forgotten few."
Tonya:
As it should.
But what's not being stated correctly is that (a) this divergence was accelerated decades ago by the "forgotten few"...
and (b) - as of fifteen years ago - the departure has already been written in stone; again, by the forgotten few.
The revolution WAS not televised.... And the blood sucking leeches are simply delusional.
Tonya |
Tonya
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And, before I get called on contradicting myself... the context in which Yukio speaks clarifies the fact that the "black identity" does not exist as far as relating to Africa and being African are concerned -- We lost/distanced ourselves from our identity.
But, as Nels points out, the vast majority of us do identify ourselves as black, and - though he is saaadly mistaken when he suggests that there are no historic justifications, empirical or otherwise, for the existence of the term "black identity" and that (except for SOME of those who have problems identifying with being black) the cause for affiliation is based on "abstract" reasoning - I can totally relate to the context in which he speaks as well.
I'm from the streets, baby... a jack of all trades... which means I can get down with a-n-y-b-o-d-y.
So, no, I'm not contradicting myself....
I'm just going with the flow -- Getting down.
Tonya |
Yukio
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Tonya: My comment was not directed towards you, but to the posters in general.
Nels:
Thank you for your summary. Im not sure what you meant by "misinterpreted." Strange choice of words considering I've already stated that I had yet to read the original post.
I have read the post. One question and two comments. What is/was Black America's hub? Much of what you've stated has, for the most part, always been the case. What is different now is the virtual invisibility of segregation and institutional racism. |
Tonya
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"Tonya: My comment was not directed towards you, but to the posters in general."
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And I'm one of those posters.... That's not a problem, is it???
Tonya
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Yukio
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tonya:
Of course it is not a problem. Your response, seemed to suggest that my post was directed towards u, considering your "I" usage. At any rate, all is clear.
"And, yes, I am aware that there is no such thing as a black identity, and, I'm also aware that, as Africans, we lost our identity soon after we stepped foot of the boat."
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Nels
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Tonya --
"he is saaadly mistaken when he suggests that there are no historic justifications, empirical or otherwise, for the existence of the term "black identity" and that"
For your clarification - What I said was that no viable "alternative" to the black identity is supported by historical or empirical evidence. In reality, finding one that's acceptable to the "black" community would be an even greater challenge.
Yukio --
(I'm not sure what you meant by "misinterpreted.")
No problem. Things get misinterpreted every day. |
Tonya
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My bad, Nels, I overlooked the word "alternative." To be honest, I was cussing you out before I even finished reading the sentence, sorry.
"No problem. Things get misinterpreted every day."
You're right, please forgive me.
Tonya
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Nels
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A healty dialogue is all we seek. The pleasure was mine.
-- nels |
Yukio
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Nels:
If you reread my post. I'm stating, politely, that the misinterpretation was on your part. |
Nels
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Yukio --
"I've already stated that I had yet to read the original post"
That was the whole point, you hadn't read the original post. Conversely, I didn't misinterpret anything.
No problem. Forget the dead horse.
What would be very interesting to see is some really aggressive and in-depth dialogue all across these boards. Like, drop the tit-for-tat and get down to some serious business.
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Yukio
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Nels:
If you recall, you stated, "You may have misinterpreted the original posting." My point was that it is illogical to make such a statement if you can not interpret something you have not read. Consequently, you did misinterpret me.
But I agree, it "would be very interesting to see is some really aggressive and in-depth dialogue all across these boards," but a few of us have done this long, long ago and we also find many of the recent posts repetitive. It is up to you nubies to start this revolution you're in. Good luck!
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Tonya
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Yukio,
I ain't trying to start no shit and I could be wrong, but I think he could've been trying to tell/suggest to you that even if you did take the time to read the post, maybe, possibly - in other words - there's a channce (and I'm not trying to say that I know how much of a chance he MAY have meant) but still, a chance that you'd mistakenly, by accident... misinterpret it.
I could be wrong though... and, like I said, I ain't trying to start no shit... so if I'm wrong, forgive me -- I'll say "my bad" in advance.
Tonya |
Nels
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Tonya --
Good assessment.
The reply (was) based on "you hadn't read the original post" quote, and that was regardless of whether or not a (person) even bothered to understand the original post.
As I said, I'll leave that dead horse alone. |
Yukio
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Tonya:
I shall do as Nels does and state my beliefs to you rather than the person I'm really talking to...lmao! I agree with Nels, though. Your assessment was good. I also figured as much. I was waiting, as well as hoping, for Nels to be forthcoming.
My last point stands, however. How can one assume interpretive potential when the reader hasn't read the post? Nels must be judging my cognitive skills. How? I don't know...lmao! Must have read my more than 700 posts. I think such would suggest that I'm fairly intelligent, not brilliant, but competent. Or, Nels must be a mind reader? telepath? Perhaps Nels has been here before and doesn't like me...? Perhaps he/she was a casulty of one of my lenghty posts. Who knows? Who cares?
I also don't mean to "start no shit," but such behavior s-p-e-l-l-s cowardice or is it a form of diplomacy...don't know.
Cheers! |
Nels
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Yukio --
Your writing style is interesting and I respect that, no matter how I may feel about the content. As I've said recently, this one's not even worth swinging swords at. And one more thing - (cowardice?), I'll just leave that one for the dog pile.
By the way, I don't dislike you. We're all on this board to have interesting intellectual exchanges. Not hardly the company for petty swipes and nonsense like that.
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Yukio
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Nels:
Interesting post, though I am quite suspicious of your sincerity (not that you care). Let me explain this as I see it, so that you will understand why I describe your rhetorical methods as "cowardice." I do not dislike you either, so please take this as I see, for this is an act of sincerity!
1. You have stated that Tonya's post was a "Good assessment." If this is the case then you believed, as she states," that even if" I "did take the time to read the post" I would "misinterpret it."
In order to believe as much, you must have come to some conclusion. In order to come such a conclusion, at some point you must have made an assessment of my intelligence or interpretive potential. On what basis have you made such a judgment? Well it is your next statement that I will address.
2. Secondly, you state: “The reply (was) based on "you hadn't read the original post" quote, and that was regardless of whether or not a (person) even bothered to understand the original post.”
Dare I say that it is not unusual that a person would comment without reading the initial post, especially when it is quite long and previous posters had already gone off the mark? What I saw was my elders Kola and Cyn fighting, as usual. Also consider Tonya’s reply to me: “To be honest with you, I can't remember what this thread was originally about.”
As an ex-prolific poster, I understand that posters generally do not maintain the integrity of the initial post. And why should they? This is not a classroom, as my elders have told me, as Cyn, for example, could attest.
At any rate, is this second reply sufficient for you to come to the conclusion that I would “misinterpret” you initial post? I guess it is. But again, you must have (a) made an assessment and (b) come to some conclusion without stating it plainly in the very first place. You have in fact done so indirectly, on the one hand, hence Tonya's post and my own inclination. Simultaneously, your gestures have been quite diplomatic, non-confrontational and collegial.
In the latter sentiment, I was waiting for you to explain why I would misinterpret the initial post. This is still a mystery, though you have answered this question (#2), which is rather insufficient to me, but hey to each is own…
In conclusion Nels, I use “cowardice” because of your failure to disclose that you have assessed my intellect and/or interpretive potential and in fact made a judgment on such. In fact your statement: “no matter how I may feel about the content,” suggests as much.
You have, as I understand, done this without articulating it in prose, in this thread, on this site. And you have done such in the guise of a diplomatic gesture, a peaceable person; yet, we all know that the work of a diplomat is shady from the door. Diplomats are usually patronizing.
What ever it is, be it cowardice or diplomacy or something else, it don’t seem like honesty to me. But what do I know? I may, indeed, have the proclivity to misinterpret!
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Tonya
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Nels,
I ain't trying to start no shit, but I think what Yukio is trying to tell/suggest to you is that (S)he feels you need to come clean/correct or else (S)he's gonna assume that you're a dishonest, shady, patronizing, coward; and (s)he's already starting to believe that you're a tad bit presumptuous.
I coud be wrong, so let me say "my bad" in advance.
Tonya
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Nels
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Nothing that I've seen in these latest replies merits a retort, but these responses have been rather interesting. |
Tonya
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Yukio,
He thinks you're anal yet "interesting" in a peculiar way - but still - he doesn't think what you wrote was worth his wit, sharpness, or intellect; and, frankly, he doesn't care what you assume/believe cuz you ain't on his level anyway.
"My bad" in advance.
Tonya |
Yukio
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Tonya,
Thank you, but I'm not in the business of allowing others to represent me. I was referring to Nels's "rhetorical methods" not the person, firstly. Secondly, I already believe Nels is presumptuous.
Thank you again. Oh..."My bad" in the third place for my complicity in assisting you and us in this affair...lol!
Nels,
This is indeed interesting. I agree. What I said doesn't merit a retort for it was only an explanation.
PS
You do seem to practice strange logic. Dare I say that in you have "misinterpreted" your own rheorical methods? In your claim that "Nothing that I've seen in these latest replies merits a retort," you have indeed retorted. |
Yukio
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oops...I meant to write "Dare I say that you have "misinterpreted" your own rheorical methods?" |
Tonya
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OOOhhh!!!...
(S)he got you, bro! (S)he said your logic is strange (i.e. irrational). (S)he also questioned your so-called "intellect" cuz "you have indeed retorted."
But this is where (s)he really got you, homey: (S)he thinks your head is so far up your ass - you can't even tell your own shit stinks - in other words - you're so caught up in being pompous and arrogant, "you misinterpreted your own rhetorical" bullshit.
...Daaayum, that was deep!
Tonya |
Nels
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Over-analysis just kills me. Especially the circuitous kind. Mammy! Mammy! Say it ain't so! |
Nels
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Tonya --
"(S)he also questioned your so-called "intellect" cuz "you have indeed retorted.""
And that's the fun part about cyberspace. It's the "intent" that counts. |
Kola_boof
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Yukio is a man, Tonya.
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Tonya
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OOOhhh!!!
He was like "yeah, I retorted... but that was ONLY to give you my ass to kiss."
He said he ain't got time for the lengthy indirect psycho-babble, so if you got something to say... saaaay iiiiit...
AND GET SPANKED!!!....
Like the CRY-BABY BRAT you apparently are.
Damn, now that was deep, too!
Tonya |
Tonya
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Oh - Okay, Kola, thanks. I didn't know -- that's why I kept bracketing the
"S's."
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Yukio
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No Nels. The fun part about cyberspace is that it is not about the "intent," but the "floating signifier." I have had fun with your underanalysis in such a trivial exchange. Yes, it was trivial, but also informative.
It seems to me that it is questionable that you're interested in a "really aggressive and in-depth dialogue all across these boards," considering your proclivity to prejudge folk. IF this is indeed the case(cuz I dont know you), you may write off a number of folk cuz they don't reply as you thought they should. This, excuse my over-analysis, would reduce the number of discussants and the diversity and quality of the dialogue.
At anyrate, you neither answered my question nor addressed my comment about your initial post. It seems my question and comment did not merit a retort. |
Tonya
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Oh, this one is easy, Nels, he thinks you're a snob and a punk bitch.
...Whatchu got to say to that???
Tonya |
Cynique
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Yukio, it would be so stimulating for you and Nels to be able to engage in an intellectual exchange without this gnat "tonya" injecting her obnoxious self into the conversation, apparently trying to impress Nels with her stupid attempts to translate what you say. Talk about a playground mentality, she needs to be banished to the school yard. |
Yukio
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Cynique, what can one say about Tonya's interventions...this is cyberspace.
As for an intellectual engagement, that will have to wait for another thread, i suspect.
As you know, we have already addressed these concerns before, years ago. I also felt you had already stated what I would have, with a few modifications of course.
Cynique states:
The handwriting is, indeed, on the wall, Nels. As you imply, the days of the "typical" African American are numbered. In the future, the color lines will become diluted to the point of being blurred. And, like it has always been known to do, class will prevail.
I stated:
Much of what you've(Nels) stated has, for the most part, always been the case. What is different now is the virtual invisibility of segregation and institutional racism.
The divergences were always there, I believe. Ethnicity, class, color, etc...were always issues, so I pointed out what was different now...the veil, as Du Bois would say, has been lifted. Thus, when Nels states: "Yes, the world of Black America is indeed changing before your very eyes. It's how that change is handled that really counts."
I agree, but would be more interested in how these issues were handled from the very beginning. Such an engagement would be instructive for these recent manifestations of what had always been. |
Cynique
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Well, that's the dialogue I would like to hear. I am just burned out on this subject, and I'd welcome a fresh analysis. Maybe "tonya will abandon her role of agitator and chime in with something worth while to say. On second thought, it's pretty predictable what she would say. |
Tonya
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But, Cynnique!
I'm the interpreter. Had you read the whole thread you'd've seen how these guys have BIG problems interpreting each other....
SO NOW! DON'T YOU FEEL STUPID!
Tonya |
Nels
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Yukio --
Now that's the type of response that gets my attention. I'm on my way to a meeting, but would hope to get back to you on this, hopefully by sometime this evening. I look forward to a constructive and positive engagement. Maybe we can drown this thread and some of these name callers in the process.
Tonya --
"Oh, this one is easy, Nels, he thinks you're a snob and a punk bitch."
Disingenuous flaming is the sign of a rudderless mind.
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Tonya
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Yo, Nels... I think Yukio wants to have a stimulating, comprehensive, and intellectually profound dialoque with you about the "color lines."
...Care to participate?
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Tonya
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Yukio said:
what can one say about Tonya's interventions...this is cyberspace.
Then Nels said:
Disingenuous flaming is the sign of a rudderless mind.
Tonya says:
OHH, NO Y'ALL DIDN'T!!!
Y'all niggas done turned on me, huh??? I was tryin to halp y'all out, so y'all wouldn't "MISINTERPRET" each other... and this is the thanks I get.... See if I help y'all again!
Tonya
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 516
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 05:01 pm: |
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By the way way, what the hell is a "rudderless mind"? I'll tell you one thing, it don't sound good... so I'm offended! But that's alright. It's all good. I just won't help y'all no more, that's all. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 798
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 06:40 pm: |
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Cynique:
I'm reluctant to partake in this thread any further. The sentiment of this thread is not quite right. I have only restated what was opined on Sept. 29th. If I'm worthy now, I should have been worthy before. Indeed, worthiness should have never been a factor in the thread in the first place, as my posts have intended to point out.
Nevertheless, though this exchange has been fun for me, the seeming validity of my assessment precludes my participation.
Not only am I not in the business of letting others represent me Tonya (sister not nigga/bitch), but I'm also not in the business of being judged worthy/unworthy (Nels).
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 517
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 07:34 pm: |
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Nels,
Yukio was like, "Nah, Nigga!" -- "If I'm 'worth the shit now, I should've been worth it then." He basically told you to go head with all that. He's pissed at you. He got snappy with me too but dat's alright. I'm just gone stay out of it.
Tonya
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2720
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 07:52 pm: |
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Well, at least I'm enjoying the game of one-ups manship. Whose move? |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 119
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 11:19 pm: |
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Yukio--
"I'm reluctant to partake in this thread any further."
No problem. No sweat. If that's the way you feel, then don't feel compelled to participate. Perhaps we should consider this tired thread dead.
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