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Libralind2
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Username: Libralind2
Post Number: 186
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 09:10 am: | 
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We need to flood the press and tell them to stop using terms like "refugees", "thugs" etc. I am sick of it. The help is not getting to NO because the people in that area are predominately black. Its ridiculous and I for one am MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE...!!!! I listened to a man who NAILED it on "The Washington Journal" this morn. He stated had this been a 911 event the response would have been swift and sure, troops would have been on the ground in a day, not a 3-5 day delay.
LiLi |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 483
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:09 am: |
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It looks like AFRICA right now down in New Orleans to me.
And this is BIGGER than 9-11, way bigger.
But nobody wants these people. These other states and towns don't want them---and America doesn't want them.
Because they're Africans...whose identity has been uncovered by the storm. And that's really what it is. Their skin is BLACK and therefore they aren't valuable to anyone with power.
CNN should be shut the fuck down.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 239
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:58 am: |
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CNN should be shut the fuck down.
NBC should be shut the fuck down.
ABC should be shut the fuck down.
CBS should be shut the fuck down.
FOX should be shut the fuck dowm.
Bush should be shut the fuck down.
The government should be shut the fuck down.
White people and niggers should be shut the fuck down.
Tonya |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2500
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:27 pm: |
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The only good thing to emerge from this tragedy is that now the world can see how America deals with its poor and helpless citizens. The lowlands of the coastal states are coincidentally populated with those who rank lowest in society and while Bush and company are pouring billions of dollars into that Iraq fiasco, the disposable residents of New Orleans and Biloxi are drowning in the shame of America's too little too late domestic policy. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 684
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:30 pm: |
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Radio interview from yesterday w/N.O. mayor. Very raw. Stay for entire interview even tho painful.
http://godlikeproductions.com/sounds/mayornagin.mp3 |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 686
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:42 pm: |
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Transcript here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html |
Libralind2
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Username: Libralind2
Post Number: 188
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 01:27 pm: |
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Thank you for that
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 244
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 02:50 pm: |
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I'm not lying yall.
This reporter (Bob Marcianno) just stated on CNN that he felt like he was in the wild (wilderness) while he was in NEW Orleans. He said that he and his crew had to light fires like how he normally does when he's camping in the wilderness and he's trying to keep the animals away.
He was refering to the "crimes" in New Orleans. He was refering to the people.
Tonya |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 687
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 04:39 pm: |
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All I can say is: Unbelievable...
In contrast, some residents of the French Quarter appear comfortable, well-fed and relaxed. About 150 New Orleans police officers have commandeered the Royal Omni Hotel, part of the international luxury chain of Omni hotels that is housed in an elegant 19th century building, complete with crystal chandeliers and a rooftop pool. "All of the officers that are here, I can tell you in a classical sense, are gladiators," says Capt. Kevin Anderson, commander of the Eighth District of the NOPD (French Quarter). "To be able to put your family's concerns aside to protect the citizens of New Orleans, it's just an awesome job," he says.
Across the street from the Royal Omni at the Eighth District police department, several police officers keep a wary eye on the street with shotguns at the ready, while some fellow officers grill sausage links over charcoal barbecues. They are under strict orders not to communicate with the media. Capt. Anderson does confirm, however, that locations where officers were housed came under gunfire on Tuesday night. No officers were injured. "It is a very dangerous situation that we're in," Anderson says.
Apart from rescue operations, the police department patrols for looters, who have ransacked stores in virtually every part of the city. Looters are visible on every street corner. Every kind of business, from rundown corner markets to the Gucci storefront on South Peters Street, has been looted.
We walk half a block down Royal Street from the Eighth District headquarters and come upon Brennan's Restaurant, one of New Orleans' most venerable dining institutions. The Brennans are a high-profile family of restaurateurs and run several of the highest-end eateries in town. Jimmy Brennan and a crew of his relatives are holing up in the restaurant along with the chef, Lazone Randolph. They are sleeping on air mattresses, drinking Cheval Blanc, and feasting on the restaurant's reserves of haute Creole food.
The atmosphere in the French Quarter, while relatively quiet, is decidedly tense, but Brennan isn't worried. "We're not too concerned. The police let us go over to the Royal Omni, to take a shower, freshen up, and we cooked them some prime rib. We take care of them, they take care of us," says Randolph. Two Brennan emissaries whisk past, bearing multilayer chocolate cakes, headed toward the precinct. "This has been working out real well for us," says Jimmy Brennan.
Salon.com
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 49
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 04:27 am: |
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"Refugees", "Thugs" and ("IDIOTS") for that matter. That exactly what the larcenous looters are. Not the survivors looking for food and water, but the absolute “dumb shits”; the jewelry thieves, gun thieves, booze snatchers, shooters, etc. What type of ignorant "stupid fuck" without any mode of (floating) transportation would steal a big screen TV in chest high water after a hurricane in which his piece-of-shit house was submerged under twenty feet of Lake Pontchitrain and will never be inhabited again (because of wood rot) and the electricity may be off for the next three to four months? What’s he going to do with it? Hide it under water? Ask the Greyhound bus driver to kindly tuck it away in the cargo hold so he can watch it when he gets to the Astrodome in Houston? Folks, we’re not talking about sympathy and compassion here. We’re talking about criminals who deserve everything they’ve got coming to them, and it’s coming with a vengeance.
As for 911 vs. Katrina emergency responses. 911 left behind millions of tons of rubble and three thousand corpses on dry land. Katrina left behind millions of acre-feet of nasty polluted twenty-plus foot floodwaters, possibly ten thousand-plus corpses, and landscapes that look like post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 1945. There is absolutely “NO” viable comparison. The scale of the post-Katrina disaster footprint is enormous and beyond comprehension; like being the eighth wonder of the world, except with a huge negative sign preceding it.
On the media, let them show it like it is - black on black misery, crime and suffering; it’s nothing new. What the hell? Just do it. On the flip side, look at it this way. Right now, the media is really benefiting the nation’s poor in probably the most odd but effective manner possible. It’s actually bringing American misery into American homes on an American scale on George Bush’s watch. It’s showing Bush’s true colors; indifference. Likewise, it has become the proverbial thorn in George Bush’s side. Bush comes off as a very arrogant man. But, rest assured - it finally took an act of God to bring him (his ass) to his knees. And, one more thing - - - there aren’t enough Republicans on this planet to clean up the shit that’s really going to hit the fan when the real finger pointing starts in Washington, D.C. over this calamity. Talk about stupid!
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 249
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 09:40 am: |
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Nels, do you really think this is going to greatly affect Bush and the Republicans?? It should -- but I'm honestly not sure if it will.
That's perhaps one of the biggest tragedies of all this.
Tonya
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 251
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
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Nels: They're already spinning and bullshitting their way out of it. Damn shame.
Tonya |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2503
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 11:06 am: |
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If ever there was a photo op for Karl Rove to exploit, it's that Kodak moment when Bush is hugging 2 awe-struck bedraggled-looking black people. Bush ain't gonna suffer for this debacle because the white silent majority doesn't really relate to these poor ol niggas who shoulda found some nonexistent transportation and left town when they were told to. Overseas, however, this tragedy will provide another reason for the Bush-haters to gloat and finger point, and the whole world is probably glad to see America's hypocrisy exposed. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1411
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 11:59 am: |
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Cynique:
You are correct--
By the way I have pledged that you are going out to help Kola with the baby.
I'll water your cat and feed your lawn while you're out there.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2504
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Well, withdraw your pledge, you presumptuous ass. Why would you think that at this stage of my life I'd be someone interested in tending to pregnant women or their squalling brats??? Get real. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 252
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 01:06 pm: |
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Previously posted:
"If ever there was a photo op for Karl Rove to exploit, it's that Kodak moment when Bush is hugging 2 awe-struck bedraggled-looking black people"
Tonya:
Yeah, but if you noticed, those two awe-struck bedraggled-looking people were colored/mixed -- not fully black. It may have been a kodak moment for Bush, but for those victims and the rest of us it was another insult and one that we're tired of being exposed to.
And, no...
WE'RE NOT JEALOUS -- we're just tired of being "PRETTIED UP" and We're ready to REPRESENT OURSELVES -- that's all. But it's a FUCKING INSULT when others cannot see that it's about goddamn time.
TONYA
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 487
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 01:14 pm: |
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Well said, Tonya.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2505
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
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Oh shut up, "Tonya". Did you take note of the word "exploit" in connection with my statement?? And you apparently you missed the sarcasm of the "kodak" moment reference you are so busy injecting "colorism" into the matter. What a one-track mind. |
Babygirl
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 03:16 pm: |
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Tonya: Yeah, but if you noticed, those two awe-struck bedraggled-looking people were colored/mixed -- not fully black.
Assuming we're talking about the SAME two awe-struck bedraggled-looking people good old W was hugging on, after having heard their interview with the press later, I believe they probably claim NO black blood at all. Their very thick accents were more East Indian, not at all Southern, and the mother (Bronwyne Bassier) noted that she and her daughter (Kim) were not native to Biloxi. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 253
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 03:36 pm: |
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But, Cynnique??? I never attacked you or your post; infact I agreed with that part of your post -- I simply added what I noticead.
Read a portion of my post again and pay attention to the part where I say, "Yeah, but if you noticed..."
Yeah, but if you noticed, those two awe-struck bedraggled-looking people were colored/mixed -- not fully black. It may have been a kodak moment for Bush, but for those victims and the rest of us it was another insult and one that we're tired of being exposed to.
Yeah= I agree & If you noticed= check-out what I noticed. Understood?
BTW, It's nice to hear from you -- I miss you.
Tonya
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 254
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 03:42 pm: |
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I caught that too, Babygirl. I thought it was just me, girl.
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 52
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 07:22 pm: |
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“Bush ain't gonna suffer”
Cynique, I beg to differ a bit.
Based on history, it literally takes a catastrophic or major mind-altering event to change the course of a presidency and a nation. 9/11, Hurricane Andrew, Oklahoma City, Pearl Harbor, JFK, Watergate, Stock Market Crash of 1929 and so on - are just a few examples. After last November’s crooked (?) election, Bush had the nerve to get up in front of the cameras and brazenly declare and I quote - “I earned some political capital and I’m going to spend it”. Well, that bank account is almost empty - “dat ATM card don’t work no mo”, and Republicans (right wing, religious right, far right, KKK right, and all) ARE running for cover.
Humpty Dumpty was too damn busy playing (mental) tennis when the winds of change literally came upon him. Katrina has hit, gas prices are through the roof, Iraq war is flailing, Social Security agenda is a dud, prescription Medicare has blown up in his face, North Korea’s Kim Jung Il is digging nuclear boogers out of his nose, Iranian swamis have already launched their nuclear powered flying carpet fleet, the U.S.-Mexican border is out of control - and the list just goes on. What more can happen to George? Pull out the popcorn and pull up a chair.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 256
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 07:49 pm: |
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Nels: You're assuming that the democrats are going to play their cards right -- that's the problem.
Excellent humor and writing skills though -- you had me on my knees.
Tonya |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2506
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 08:05 pm: |
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History will definitely not be kind to the inept George W. Bush, Nels. I agree with all of the other things that you say will put him in hot water, but I don't think that the present situation in New Orleans will lose him any white support because his constituency does not identify with poor black folk, especially with the way they are being portrayed in the media. And Kanye West's rant will serve to racially polarize the nation. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 257
Registered: 07-2005
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And the democrats are too buisy trying to move to the right themselves. Had they been playing their cards right, Kanye probably would have known not to do that. You see Chris Rock and others are not doing it.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 258
Registered: 07-2005
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It's surprising how so many seemingly liberal blacks (e.g. Chris Rock) are choosing to move to the right (with the dems). Of course I think it's a mistake, but I haven't agreed with Chris Rock or the dems for awhile.
Tonya |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 53
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:29 am: |
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Tonya and Cynique, you both have made some interesting statements. However, from what I can make out from prevailing historical and empirical evidence, the first surprise element will be that the Democrats will "actually" play their cards right. This is highly probable because the mechanics of the Republican’s failed “Contract With America” have been thoroughly reverse-engineered and are now coming to light in a more precision(ed) and hidden Democratic message of centrism and moderate perspective; neutrality. The Democrats are now using “moderation” as an applied socially engineered power of suggestion, and quite successfully at that. So far (and with the exception of the Congressional Black Caucus), they have been fairly reserved in their condemnation of the Bush administration’s sluggish response to the Katrina aftermath. Their view is - “why attack your opponent while he’s actually inflicting pain on himself”.
Conversely, southern Republican office holders, politicians and everyday citizens have been quite vocal in expressing their extreme disappointment (and in many cases unbridled outrage) with FEMA’s anemic initial response. The images of their suffering (brothers and sisters) as seen through a colorless prism (i.e., regardless of race, class, etc.) has left an indelible mark on the conscience of the average hard-working paycheck-to-paycheck American.
The second? Bush is going to loose the base that he didn’t know he had: the socially networked liberally thinking “non-Christian Right” White conservative. And, as a bonus, he may have in fact completely detached himself from the (undereducated and uneducated) White voter, which by all intents and purposes, really votes where the money is - and they do tip scales in many elections. In this case, that constituency has not reaped any of the rewards of the Bush presidency, if in fact any exist.
And lastly, while Katrina was sweeping over the Florida panhandle and heading to the Gulf Coast with a vengeance, George Bush was busy hobnobbing and flying around in his gas guzzling bubbletop White House in the sky (touting the war on terrorism) fully knowing that the price of gas for the everyday American was about to join Jupiter in orbit.
And that’s the real deal.
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Libralind2
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Username: Libralind2
Post Number: 190
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 08:44 am: |
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Now that you folks have vented and did your usual hand slapping banter, what reaction do you have to the media..? They are insensitive to the cause of black folks across this country and the world. Im STILL mad as hell and something needs to be done. Im only one person but in numbers we can effect change. If we let them get away with it now..
"The Revolution WILL NOT BE Telievised"
LiLi |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2507
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:37 pm: |
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What do YOU suggest we do LiLi? The media has shown the world what is happening in America. The camera doesn't lie and all of the white talking heads on TV have weighed in on the black folks "loot" and white folks "find" faux pas, condeming this choice of words. And it was, after all, the media that provided Kanye West with a forum for his angry accusations. I'm beginning to think that black folks are subconsciously as much embarrassed as they are outraged by the images of the underbelly of the black population, while white people are simply sympathetic, just as they would be if this was a case of animal cruelty. Now everybody is jumping on the band wagon, eagerly volunteering to provide relief, a reaction which very often is a way of making people feel good about themselves. Me, I'm sending money. But not to the Red Cross. |
Cynique
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Nels, I don't think anyone could've done a better job of assessing the situation than you have. Now, we just have to wait and see. Only time will tell in what direction the pendulum will swing. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 638
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 02:39 pm: |
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Yet another rude awakening to the 'American Dream'. Smell the coffee....burning?!
-Moonie |
Nels
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Post Number: 54
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Regarding the media’s perception and depiction of “looting” Blacks vs. “finding” Whites, again - it appears to be subtle, but intentional. This is based on the previous and current behavior and proclivities of White news directors and editorial chiefs - breathing life into their asinine assertions. We all know that most White folks weren’t born with a full deck. As a result, they’ve had to invade and conquer to keep up with the rest of history’s highly intellectual civilizations ruled by kings, queens, nobles and respected public servants.
Now that that “small” bump in the road has been breached, let’s briefly look at the real problem. Jews in the media, and not Black Jews this time around. In the U.S., they own virtually all of it, deceitfully manipulating the “daily message” that is fed to the masses, but never disparaging a fellow Jew. They are the first to cry “anti-Semitism” at any derogatory, biased or slanted opinion leveled at one of their own. But yet, they seem to bask in the glow of other’s misery whenever the opportunity arises. They continue to push images of a battered Israel trying to survive in a hostile Arab world. Yet, they don’t mention the fact that the Middle East conflict can easily be characterized by numbers: 5 million Jews vs. 122 million Arabs - you do the math.
Remember, these are the very people who bring you bullshit tabloid shows like Access “you know where”, Entertainment “you know when”, and so forth. Only about ½ of 1 percent of all viewers can relate to Rolex’s, $300,000 Ferraris, $25,000,000 homes, private jets and the like. Yet, the stupid and ignorant (White) American public eats this shit up likes it’s Beluga caviar on steroids. As long as they believe the crap that’s shoveled into their mouths and heads on a 7x24x365 day a year basis, the message they receive will always be manipulated and contaminated.
And, Black America doesn’t get off easy either. For one thing, the ignorant one’s haven’t figured out that all of that shit that they see on TV on BE(after “S” and before “U”), all of that bling that wouldn’t mean shit in a Hurricane, and all of those shit-talking academically-challenged millionaire Black athletes are simply part of the media machine; a promotional message of little or no value. “Believe us, and we’ll give you the details later”. Yeah, right. “Ignorant and poor” Black America is also to blame, and yes - they’re too busy running around blaming the world for their problems, and the world is not listening. And no, you can’t go around just shooting at anyone because you’re mad and pissed off. Go try and do that shit over in Uganda, or in Columbia, or in Lebanon, and see how far you get. Hell, they’ll have your big head for breakfast and your dumb ass for dinner. No joke.
The media machine is all about money, manipulation, power and control. Getting the “truth” out is not part of that equation, nor is it the objective. As long as the worst images (and actions) of any race or ethnicity are blasted throughout the universe for all to see and contemplate, bias, prejudice, racism and more will continue to thrive and grow. News organizations are the biggest culprits in the great war of “misinformation”. They prey on inaccuracy, they depend on distrust, and they rely on misery simply to make an extra buck, and a big one at that. An industry run amok by nothing but selfish moneygrubbers - the media, that is, and Jews in particular.
And speaking of class as a factor in the media, just remember that regardless of their color, media and entertainment celebrities and people of importance (e.g., the movers, the shakers and the behind the scenes decision makers) don’t socialize with the average person, the average white-collar worker, Joe Six Pack, welfare recipients, battered women, etc. They live in an insulated world, unaffected by the aftermath of the distorted nonsense that they push over the airwaves, etc. This helps contribute to the media’s tendency to be willfully indifferent and insensitive to society, let alone to the truth. Just think, almost everything you see on TV is qualified by the terms “we can’t show you that”, “that’s too graphic for our viewing audience”, we had to blur out their faces to protect their privacy”, “we had to bleep out the mayor of New Orleans cussing out the White House the other day”, and so on. It’s all about power, control, dominance and ratings and remember - a story about a man with three dicks will outsell a story about a man with three tricks, any day.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 259
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 09:35 pm: |
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Cynniqe Said:
"I'm beginning to think that black folks are subconsciously as much embarrassed as they are outraged by the images of the underbelly of the black population..."
I agree 100%, but Please allow me to add by saying that this shit should've been turned up side down by those of us who are capable of turning shit up side down -- Kanye west is not one of them. Where is all that EDUCATION when we need it? What happened to Bill and the middle class??? And puleeeeze stop pretending that it's all too political, because that shit ain't flying at alllll.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 260
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And don't tell me that they're raising money, because they need to be raising hell as well.
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Libralind2
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Post Number: 192
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Cynique Writes: What do YOU suggest we do LiLi? The media has shown the world what is happening in America. The camera doesn't lie and all of the white talking heads on TV have weighed in on the black folks "loot" and white folks "find" faux pas, condeming this choice of words.
LiLi posts: These are the types of articles we need to have to nip those negatives in the bud...
Met by Despair, Not Violence
By Scott Gold
The Los Angeles Times
Saturday 03 September 2005
As they begin to patrol the chaotic city, troops are surprised by what they don't find.
New Orleans - Forty-four troops pressed together in their truck, swaying as one at every bump and turn like reeds in a river.
As they plunged into the dark water engulfing the business district of New Orleans, their wake pushed the body of a woman onto the steps of the Superdome. The floodwater had ripped her pants down to her knees. She was facedown in the muck, a red ribbon still tied neatly around her graying hair.
The troops, members of an elite Special Response Team from the Louisiana Army National Guard, were the first convoy out of what was rapidly becoming a massive military staging ground.
Their mission, simply, is to turn New Orleans into a police state - to "regain the city," 1st Sgt. John Jewell said.
The truck lurched through the streets, past buildings burning unabated and MPs in gun turrets. When they stopped to gear up for their arrival at the New Orleans Convention Center, where more than 15,000 people had been living in squalor since Katrina, these words echoed - for the first time, one would imagine - through the intersection of Poydras Avenue and Carondelet Street: "Lock and load!"
"Sixteen in the clip!" one Guardsman shouted, a common refrain used to indicate that rifles are fully loaded.
But when they arrived, they did not find marauding mobs. They did not come under fire. They found people who had lost everything in the storm and, since then, their dignity.
The troops were part of the Superdome team that came to town before the hurricane. For days, they had been cut off from news reports, sleeping and working among the refugees and the vicious rumor mill at the Superdome.
Their Superdome duties left them with a terrible image of the city. They knew that out on the streets, a police officer had been shot in the head, that looting was widespread, that snipers were taking shots even at boaters trying to rescue victims from rooftops and attics.
Now assigned to patrol the streets, they headed for the New Orleans Convention Center, in the city's central business district. Many had wads of tobacco in their bottom lip and emitted long, dense streams of spittle into the streets below.
Their mission was to establish a command post at the center, which officials have increasingly turned their attention to, particularly as the evacuation of the Superdome nears its end. They would then build a staging area to bring in food and water. Finally, they would send in teams to seize control of a massive and lawless facility.
The troops braced for the worst.
"Is this the calm before the storm?" one asked as they rolled through the streets.
"There are a lot of gangs out here in the water," said Sgt. 1st Class Maris Pichon, a 26-year veteran of the National Guard who served in Afghanistan last year. "This is not going to be a cakewalk."
Two trucks pulled beside them, one carrying water and one a massive pile of ready-to-eat military meals in boxes.
"Tell me they're not letting the food go in before the troops," one Guardsman said.
"That's called bait," another said.
They pulled into a parking lot next to the convention center in full battle mode. They spilled over the sides of the truck, formed a tight circle and began walking outward, stepping over the detritus of the refugees. Dirty underwear. A CD that included the song "Thank God I'm a Country Boy."
A troop carrier rolled over an empty water bottle, popping it like a balloon. The troops yanked their weapons to a firing position before realizing what it was.
"No civilians in this parking lot!" a sergeant shouted. "Hold your perimeter!"
No one came at them but a nurse. She was wearing a T-shirt that read "I love New Orleans." She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns.
"We have sick kids up here!" she shouted. "We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!"
Another storm victim, Cory Williams, 50, a respiratory therapist spending his third day at the convention center, greeted the troops as they came up the stairs.
He had ridden out the storm at his 9th Ward house. On Tuesday morning, when the flooding began in earnest, 6 feet of water came inside in five minutes, he said. He tried to stay on top of a car in the garage but the water continued to rise, so he made a run for it, dragging several neighbors out behind him on an inflatable raft as he swam, then waded, through the water.
He made it several miles west, toward downtown and higher ground, then watched police stop at gunpoint a Ryder van that had been hot-wired by thieves. The officers told the men inside that they had to stop looting and must try to get people out of the neighborhoods, that people were dying.
"Believe it or not, those dudes got the message," Williams said.
The thieves began ferrying people out of the devastated neighborhoods to the east. The police had deputized looters.
"They had to," Williams said. "There was no other way to get people out."
The thieves dropped him off at the convention center, where he stayed until the troops arrived.
Though there have been reports of shootings and several rapes, the crowd at the convention center does not appear to have degenerated into the kind of chaos and violence seen at the Superdome.
Physically, however, the masses at the center might have been in worse condition than those at the stadium, which was at least prepped as a storm shelter.
People at the convention center had received a single deposit of food and water, dropped from a helicopter, since Katrina's strike. The drop caused a riot; Williams, an Army veteran, said he feared the people clambering onto the pallet of food as it neared the ground were going to pull the helicopter into the parking lot. The craft never returned.
Children slept on laps and on the ground. There was an elderly emphysema patient. A diabetic. The boy suffering from sickle cell anemia, his eyes puffy and his skin yellowish-brown.
The troops arrived Friday, ready for anything.
"You've got to do something," said the nurse in the New Orleans T-shirt.
"We'll get you some help as soon as some people get here," Lt. James Magee said as the troops arrived. "OK?"
Inside, human waste covered the floor. An elderly woman tumbled out of her wheelchair and landed on the ground. Her housedress was soiled. A man had poured fruit punch into an industrial-size bottle of floor cleaner and was drinking it with a straw.
"If you kept a dog in an environment like this, they would arrest you for animal cruelty," said Cindy Davis, 39, the nurse, who had been separated from her group while caring for a patient and stranded at the convention center three days ago. "It's like a cesspool."
Frankie Estes, 80, said she was glad to finally see the troops. It was a glimmer of hope. Friday night marked her fifth night sleeping on the sidewalk in front of the center.
"I haven't had food or water for three days," she said. "I didn't know if I was going to make it."
By Friday night, dinner had been served to a seemingly endless line of refugees. Helicopters had begun descending on the convention center, airlifting the most critically ill. The troops had found their mission. It just wasn't what they thought it was going to be.
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Cynique
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Is Scott Gold a black journalist, LiLi? I'm curious. That sounds like a Jewish name, and the article reads like a chapter out of a novel, written by a well-meaning white person. In any case, I'm sure there will now be a spate of news stories doing damage control for the preliminary displays of insensitivity. And as Nels says, it will all be contrived. |
Tonya
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Just have to point out that many black people have jewish last names. I'm black, but my seven part jewish siblings and I have my white looking half jewish step father's last name. And yes, I have plenty of mixed & bi racail people in my family, infact, they almost out-number those of us who are authentic.
Tonya
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Tonya
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NELS:
"As a result, they’ve had to invade and conquer to keep up with the rest of history’s highly intellectual civilizations ruled by kings, queens, nobles and respected public servants"
"And, Black America doesn’t get off easy either. For one thing, the ignorant one’s haven’t figured out that all of that shit that they see on TV on BE(after “S” and before “U”), all of that bling that wouldn’t mean shit in a Hurricane, and all of those shit-talking academically-challenged millionaire Black athletes are simply part of the media machine; a promotional message of little or no value. “Believe us, and we’ll give you the details later”. Yeah, right. “Ignorant and poor” Black America is also to blame, and yes - they’re too busy running around blaming the world for their problems, and the world is not listening. And no, you can’t go around just shooting at anyone because you’re mad and pissed off. Go try and do that shit over in Uganda, or in Columbia, or in Lebanon, and see how far you get. Hell, they’ll have your big head for breakfast and your dumb ass for dinner. No joke."
ME:
Love ya! Nels. I'm bored and stuck here at work this labors day, but I had to let you know how much I loved your post.
Tonya
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Nels
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Tonya --
Glad to oblige. Hope you're having a nice holiday weekend.
Nels |
Cynique
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Nels, your writing has a Stanley Crouch vibe to it, which is to say that you both deliver your "sermons" in a jazzy cadence - all of which makes your messages all the more intriguing. |
Nels
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Cynique --
Thanks for your kind words.
Nels |
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