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Arioso_hum
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Username: Arioso_hum
Post Number: 18
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 05:26 pm: | 
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Okay from Ice T all the way to T.I., from East to West, every "hardcore" rapper out there portrays an image of :
1. Having sold or currently selling: coke, yeyo, candy-cane, gutter glitter, dama blanca, Scottie, Rocky Balboa, crack, etc...
2. They have killed, snuffed, murdered, gutted, peeled someone's scalp back, "sung a hymn to them", or "sent them to find Nemo"
3. In case that failed, then they must have at least; gave someone a slow leak, got their shirt wet, busted a cap in someone's ass, etc...
4. They must have been a pimp in the very real sense of the word.
How much of this is real...?
Are producers scouring the streets and alleys of the inner cities looking for the next B.I.G.?
Are they standing outside of penitentiaries and signing these folks on release?
And if that is the case, how could they have missed all of my brothers, a couple of my nephews, and my older sister? They are not "rapper" but they fit the bill everywhere else? |
Anunaki3600
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 03:45 am: |
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Why would the rest of the world not look at these video's and get the perception that all this is true??? |
Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 141
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 06:59 am: |
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I think some CEO out there is convincing these rapping morons that their behavior is an authentic representation of blackness. And braindead as tey are, most of the rappers fall for it. All they have is money and fame on their minds.
BTW, according to ODB's father, HIS whole persona was an act. He grew up in the suburbs, spoke the king's english, went to church. That's all I can remember.
I think for some of these rappers its all an act(*cough*vanilla Ice*cough*). For the real deal, it's all being expoited by the (white)CEOs who could care little about how this affects well-resecting black community(duh, stating the obvious). Most of these CEOs have probably never heard Hip-hop and I KNOW some may actually hate it. I'm sure most of the CEOS THEMSELVES think the stereotypes are true, and if the artist doesn't meet their stereotypical expectations, they'll dress the artist up to fit the CEO'S perception of a rapper. It's "Hollywood shuffle" in the music biz, if you don't fit their stereotype, they'll alter your appearance until you do. The exploitation's still here, and it's now global. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1393
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:46 am: |
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Probably little to none of it is real, just like with all these white rock guys trying to act like they are crazy, wild drugged out motorcycle bandits. And I see all these women, white black and other, trying to act like they are sexy brainless hot mamas and can't wait to jump in the sack every minute and can handle any man they run across. And I see all these white country guys all trying to act like they are macho cowboys from the deep south.
And in my day you had such as Marvin Gaye, god rest his soul, an insecure with sexual identity problems who suffered from terrible stage fright trying to act like he was a sports nut (remember when he tried out for the Lions? They laughed him out of the stadium) Mr. Cool.
It is about image. People don't want to see some bum up there like them. They want to see Superman/Superwoman. If I am up there rapping that I am a thug, I better look like it. I don't like the image. It sells--though most of it is purchased by white suburban youth, apparently a lot of hard core urban youth who ought to know better are also consuming it.
You have, and have had, and always will have, gay guys acting straight, straight guys acting gay, people lip synching who cannot sing a note, fakes, and phonies--that's why it is called show biz.
You don't like this? Turn back the clock to when all black people were grinning, singing dancing fools who couldn't wait to git them some water million. How would you like that back? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2484
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 11:44 am: |
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Are you folks not familiar with Chicago's very own best-selling, grammy award-winning Kanye West?? This rapper extraordinaire has taken the music industry by storm, currently gracing the cover of Time magazine He is proud of being from the mainstream, his mother being an English professor and his father a professional religious counselor. West, himself in a college drop-out, which, incidentally, is the title of his hit albumn. All the critics give him high marks, especially for his clever rhymes and political commentary and he always samples his rap cuts with classical R&B and jazz hits from the past. He makes no claim to the thug life. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1394
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 12:28 pm: |
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Cynique:
Yesterday a record reviewer on NPR mentioned all that but added that he has been accused of temper tantrums and diva-ish behavior.
Plus that you know Suge Knight got shot at his party the other night.
Another Show Biz Fake, brought to you by Corporate America! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2486
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 01:20 pm: |
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Everybody around Chi-town knows that Kanye went into full pout mode because he didn't win the American Music Award for best new artist, and on the advice of his mommy he later apologized for the childish behavior he publicly displayed. And of course, you know that Suge Knight is from a middle class family and I think I read somewhere that he has a college degree. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 480
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 01:55 pm: |
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I'm officially madly in love with Kanye West.
I had to start a thread about him.
And in 15 days...the FUGEES return! Lauryn Hill has a new CD coming out.
So, for the first time in many years, I'm excited about hip hop again.
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Arioso_hum
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Username: Arioso_hum
Post Number: 19
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 03:47 pm: |
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Cynique,
I gots way too much love for you, but I digress.
The original statement was in reference to so-called "hardcore-rappers" who continue to push this $upa-ni99a image (until a few days ago I thought that Suge Knight was invulnerable).
And as much time as I spend in the Chicago's Southside and the Holy City (for non Chi-lites that is the near Westside) I have much respect for Kanye and the path that he has taken. Although, I am opponent of his message about education (save it some other thread), I cannot help but love his music. He is with or without his college degree...a genius! Side note: I hope he puts out a song about the positive aspects of Black women soon. Or maybe he has only met the gold-diggers and vid-e-hos.
The issue I have is with the hyped imagery of: dope, pimping, killing, maiming, promiscuity, and misogyny being programmed into the heads of the impressionable over a phat beat.
It is not all an image because Biggie, Tupac, and others didn't die from imaginary bullets. It is not the problem of its existence, the issue stems from their insistence. They insist upon putting out as much negative imagery as they can and as often as possible. A lot of it stems from the people who head these companies and who stand to make the most money.
The best analogy that comes to mind is Dave Chappelle. The first he few times he did a skit with the word "ni99a" in it and got big laughs he was doomed. When "they" saw that, "they" immediately sought to exploit it. At first Dave thought, "Wow, they are giving me a lot of freedom to do some really edgy comedy!!" Only to soon realize the so-called freedom was anything but that. Can you imagine what it took for him to walk away from all that? Apparently hip-hop/rap is not even close to getting there. And perhaps if we ever do get there, we will also get "cancelled" (but they will have plenty of reruns to syndicate.)
I listened to Russell Simmons speak last year and I got to speak to him shortly afterwards about the state of hip-hop. He saw nothing wrong with 50 Cent or any of the other acts out there. He compared today’s music to Elvis, Little Richard, and the like (same message?). I told him to his face that he was nuts. And that the only reason he found it more palatable was the fact that he was still pimping this nonsense and the money had him faded.
He alluded that it was the parents’ responsibility to raise their kids not the hip-hop artist. (Sounds simple don’t it...?)
Try counseling an 11 or 12-year-old girl who feels like she is obligated to provide herself sexually or the guy she likes would just move on to someone else who will. She has to dress to like Beyonce in order to fit in. Or the boy who has be to like Young Jeezy so that he can get "iced up".
But this image does not stop at the kids, or the music they listen to...
If you claim hip-hop to be a "culture" then it is that culture you are trying to incorporate (pun) or integrate (yep, another one) into today's society. It is obviously far more profitable to sell the prerequisite props (the clothing, jewelry, electronics, language, art, neighborhoods, etc) of a culture, than it is just to sell the music.
Now, at the end of this rant, I need to get my Phat Farm dress shirts, Sean Jean pants, and RocaWear Shoes out of layaway and take it back home to my ghetto mansion. ****BLING****
Rondall |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 481
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 03:56 pm: |
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Hi Rondall.
I agree with everything you wrote 100%....and I'm especially IMPRESSED! that you told that phoney Russell Simmons off.
He had it coming.
Black folks revere anyone who's FILTHY RICH and got color---nothing else matters and that's WHY we don't have any real leaders anymore.
I believe the Hip Hop Movement replaced the Civil Rights/Black Power movements in the Black Community.....and it's like we've been governed by Superfly and The Mack every since.
That's why I jess up and turned into Cleopatra Jones and went Awol.
Hope you're well, my Poet. 
also...I am just TOO CRAZY about this Kanye West boy! His CD is all I listen to, all day. My son has now officially dubbed me, "Normal". LOL
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2491
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 04:08 pm: |
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Rondall, I wasn't necessarily holding Kanye West up as an example of anything other than somebody whose back story didn't really give him a lot of "street" credibility. He's someone who embraced Rap music but never really experienced the gangsta lifestyle. And this may very well be the wave of the future. Rap music will become like folk music. Any creative, imaginative person will be able to write it, or perform it. |
Arioso_hum
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Username: Arioso_hum
Post Number: 20
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:27 am: |
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Folk music... wow. Wouldn't that be something? Remember when hip-hop awoke our whole country and inspired us to learn about us? Of course that was before Flava Flave hooked up with Bridgette Nielsen (not that there is anything wrong with that...nah, I'm lying. Everything that can be wrong, is wrong with it.)
Maybe the Fugees are coming back to the rescue!
Keep hope alive... |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1398
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 12:37 pm: |
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Everybody from Chicago is a Gangsta! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2494
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 02:14 pm: |
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Not true. Chicago has a very substantial black middle-class population. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1402
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:32 pm: |
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Middle class gangstas! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2497
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 04:25 pm: |
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Yeah, Mr. St. Louis. Just like you. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2498
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 04:29 pm: |
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Rondell, take heart, babe. Bridgette Nielsen claims she has a steady boyfriend and that Flava Flav was just a boytoy to hang out with. |
Anunaki3600
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 04:45 am: |
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The lyrics of some new rap songs sound like the ole "Chicago rent party music from the 50's & 60's ". I wonder if that music can be bought these a days? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2499
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:09 pm: |
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Gee, Anunaki3600, how would you know about the music played at Chicago rent parties during the 50s and 60s?? LOL. I sorta kinda think rent parties went out during the late 30s and early 40s and I suspect the music played at them were just plain ol Blues songs. Quarter parties did become a big thing during the 50s & 60s, however, and Doo-Wop and R&B was the music of choice. Today, there is no house rent music, but there is plenty of House Music, the disco-type dance mixes that Chicago is famous for. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2502
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:30 pm: |
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Anunaki3600, come to think of it, the music played at rent parties during the 30s and 40s was probably big band swing music, ala Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Jimmy Lunceford, and Earl Fatha Hines, Lionel Hampton, et al.
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Anunaki3600
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Post Number: 85
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 05:39 am: |
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Cynique, there was a great guest DJ on KPFK radio (pacifica radio, LA) who did historical black music rounds on saturdays. He once played music done by black artists which was copied and done by Elvis as his own. He played "Chicago rent part music" mostly Blues with some nasty @$$ lyrics. I used to enjoy listning to his shows. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2510
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 11:04 pm: |
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Interesting. X-rated music. Now that you mention it, I do recall hearing about "party records" that were only for private listening. |
Anunaki3600
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Post Number: 86
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 08:34 am: |
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Some totally X-rated songs like:
"Leave your panties home tonight...."
"Woke up with my business in my hand this morning...."
I have them on tape from the radio shows. I don't know if one can get them in music shops these days. |
Arioso_hum
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Post Number: 21
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:40 am: |
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Anunaki & Cynique,
By the good fortune of of copyrights running out and modern technology...a lot of these records are being re-released.
My mom would talk about how they listen to Red Foxx, Moms Mabley, Dewey 'Pigmeat' Markham, Rudy Ray Moore, or Jimmy Lynch records just to get things warmed up. Then they would bring down the lights and turn up the heat with Bobby Blue Bland, Howling Wolf, Johnny Taylor, Clarence Carter, or Little Milton.
These will not be found in Walmart...
Rondall |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 114
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 06:34 pm: |
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Actually,most of those artists can in fact be found at the Walmart.Clarence Carter had a few top 40 hits such as Too Weak To Fight,Slip Away, Patches,etc..,Howling Wolf was one of the definitive blues harp players,Bobby 'blue' Bland was firmly entrenched in the white audience after the Allman Bros. Band did a very nice version of Stormy Monday on their Live at the Fillmore album,which was really a T-Bone Walker song,but Bobby re-did it and it attracted a lot more attention than T-Bone Walkers bare bones version.The ones that a person might have a little trouble locating would be more like Jimmy Reed,even though he had more billboard hits than B.B.King ,Blind Lemon Jefferson or Lightnin' Hopkins.Those guys,even though extremely popular and influencial,are a little trickier to track down. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 492
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 06:45 pm: |
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Rustang I'm so proud of your work in the flood.
Just like the afformentioned music, they don't make great guys like you....like they used to.
God bless.
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Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 115
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:16 pm: |
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That is very kind of you,Kola.I'm not feeling real pride-worthy though,having just experienced a strange mix of emotion.When I got there I managed to hook up with a fellow that had a little bass boat and he'd bring them to dry land and I'd run them back to Houston,feed them and get them situated here,load up food and water and go back.Bring food and water,take people.Got a few cars that had been submerged running well enough for some folks to drive out in them.I got jerked around by FEMA every time in and every time out.I didn't see the red cross or anything like that.Heard some gunfire.Sounded like M-16s.I guess they caught some 'looters'.I was getting ready to leave on the first trip and the guy with the boat,a cajun fellow,handed me this shot gun.I asked him what the hell am I supposed to do with this and he said "If you ron into them FEMA boys,theyz gawn be BEEEG trouble,I guarontee it."I gave it back to him.I wasn't planning on shooting at anybody.They did give me a pretty hard time but it didn't come to a shootout ar anything.The bottom line is that not only is the federal government not doing anything,they are actively oppossing anyone that does try to do a little something.I've never been so angry in my life,nor have I ever been so disgusted,or felt so helpless in the face of so much torment.I wanted to cry like a little girl.But,being the manly sort of fellow that I am,I didn't.It is a very bad situation. |
Blkmalereading
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 05:59 am: |
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Rustang, that was a noble thing that you did.
WHAT'S GOING ON??
Something is up. I hear similar stories to your own. I just heard some guy say that most of the folks are out...but read the boards. There are thousands of people who are trapped in particular parts of New Orleans.
I'm hearing stories of communicatios 'intentionally' being blocked in that area. Ham operators are reporting being able to talk to folks. Reporters are able to get into areas that the guards can't? Or won't?? Did you see when Geraldo was shouting and saying that he told the people to walk out away from there and when they got to the bottom of the bridge the armed guards were there and told them to turn back? Reporters continue to say that they have been in areas where no one has been? I just read a blog where they talked about them lifting a bridge to deal with the levees, but this same bridge is the only way into this entire part of town where thousand of people got stuck. A truck driver reports that he was given directions by FEMA who KNEW this brige was flooded. He drove from Florida with 50 thousand gallons of water and was told to turn around by FEMA officials. Electricity is suppose to be down in the area, but FEMA has taken over a building and hooked electicity up to this building? They are forcing people to leave their homes, many areas did not get flooded, so why hasn't the electricity been back on?
Something very strange is going on and suspect we will slowly start hearing more and more stories like yours.
One ham operator is estimating that more than 30 thousand folks are stuck in certain areas. Of course, they are allowing the folks in the 'other' areas to return to their homes and in many areas they are not being forced to leave if they don't choose to. What will happen to those homes if they just leave them? Will they be seen as being 'abandoned'? Which would give the city/state/feds the right to bulldoze them if they choose?
Rustang, did you feel something fishy was going on? (no pun intended) |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 117
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 09:33 am: |
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If,by 'something fishy',you mean a well kept secret of some subtle shadow conspiracy,then,no I didn't.If there is anything that should be painfully obvious by now,it is that human life means absolutely nothing to this idiot occupying the oval office.He has stated quite publicly his intentions for New Orleans.To rebuild the oil infrastructure,the casinos and bars,and Trent Lott's house.How in the world can he hand all of the tax dollars over to Halliburton if they have to piss it away rescuing and relocating a quarter of a million broke-assed niggers?They would like to have the actual body count be a six digit number so that they can set the 'official' body count around six thousand,which is enough to to get people to say 'Oh,how awful' without having them know for certain that our government completely abandoned the entire population of a major city to certain, grim death for no reason other than personal gain.The more of this property that gets abandoned with the owners and tenants dead,the lighter the hit the insurance companies will take.No claim filed,no claim paid.
To bring this back on topic,I hope that hip hop artists start screaming,literally,bloody murder in every venue available to them.I have absolutely no liking at all for rap music myself.But I also have no liking for country/western music,but I still went out and bought every CD I could find by the Dixie Chicks.Never did get around to listening to them,but I sure will support anyone that has the courage to risk alienating their entire fan base by publicly denouncing wrong.Rap music would find a staunch supporter in me if they don't drop the ball on this one. |
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