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     Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang Post Number: 104 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A |
I guess by now most folks generally accept the idea that humanity originated in Africa and then radiated outward.The first wave was the one that ended up developing into the Neanderthal folks and much later a second wave that developed into the caucasians and asians.I wonder how that second wave happened?Was it purely population and environmental pressures that had the effect of a slow drifting to the north into the middle east,europe and asia or did a significant number of folks make a decision to just go as far as they could and settle.Or could they have driven out for some reason.I see characteristics displayed by those second wave people that are not really present in the first wave folks or the ones that stayed.We would be of the group that stayed,obviously,so that causes me to think that it could be a very relevent topic in light of how society at large seems to respond to members of the second wave folks and to us.The ones that stayed must have been ok with how things were going for them in Africa.The ones that left were not ok with the same set of circumstances for some reason.They then proceeded to wipe out the first wave. I see the black community accepting things that,for the most part,there is no way that white people would go for it.Or asians,for that matter.Could it be that there is some genetic predisposition to a higher threshold of acceptance to adversity?If so,can it be overcome by purely intellectual means?Would we be able to work around that based on the understanding that it is there?I don't know.Might be a stupid topic,I was just wondering.  | ||
| Public_enemy Newbie Poster Username: Public_enemy Post Number: 11 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Dude, what are you trying say? Leave out the jargon and state plainly what you're trying say. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2472 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I understand where you are coming from, Rustang. And in speculating about the way homo sapiens branched out from Africa, I've always felt that aberrations and mutations of the original species played an important part in why who went where and when they left. Some groups were aggressive and others passive, some instinctive and others analytical, and this all had to do with how their brains were wired, which is, indeed, a genetic dispostion. Public Enemy, you need to know that individuals burst upon this board all the time, thinking they are going to shake things up, but the experience instead usually turns out to be a wake-up call for these upstarts. Nobody takes dictation around here, and the "regulars" on this board are not easily impressed. You are on a collision course with being just another one who "bites the dust". | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1382 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Rustang: First of all it is by no means clear that the majority of people do accept that idea. I know that scientists have researched it and found the bones and the proof, but there are large numbers of people in the U.S. who believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and all fossil evidence was put there by the devil. Moving right along-- How do you segue from your first assertation to your second? Are you trying to find a genetic reason for the reason why black people "put up with some things others wouldn't?" You might consider that this is racist. You might also consider that you have ignored Black history in which many individuals did and do not accept these things. You certainly don't. But maybe you are not black african american, etc. I see in your post a prediliction of people to ignore or to sleep on certain aspects of our history. You do not know about the slave revolts? You do not know about Harriet Tubman Sojourner Truth and Fredrick Douglass? You do not know about the nearly 200,000 black men who fought in the Civil War? You have forgotten the savage war of terrorism waged against black people to push them back down in the mud after Reconstruction, the 100 year battle to make America live up to its promises? You do not understand that conditions today are result of a 40 year counter attack that has included bribery, assasination, harassment, trickery humbug the deliberate sowing of seeds of disunion and, some think even flooding the hood with drugs and guns? I tell you one thing I might say about Blacks or Americans in general--they know more about what is happening on the moon than they do about America. About themselves and their history they are abysmally ignorant--or is it on purpose? Can Americans even handle the truth? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2474 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Here we go again, Chris. You can always go into great detail about the victims. But you never offer an explanation on the nature of the victors. And there is as consistentcy and a pattern as to which group comes out on top and which one is on the bottom. I think, at some point, it has to do with how groups ended up in the circumstances that made them vulnerable and their circumstances had to do with their genetic predispositions. Agronomy is apparently no match for technology; one is about managing the earth and the other about managing the world. And that's how it all started. In the minds of men. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1383 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: |
Cynique: That was the most discombobulated hodgepodge (well one of them, at least) you have ever posted. The original post happened to be about the genetic makeup or disposition of blacks or African Americans. Now, what else was I supposed to talk about--Laplanders? Keep your eye on the ball. Go back and re read our posts and try again. And by the way, the Japanese Americans went pretty quietly when whitey decided to round them up after WWII started--and after all that, many of them volunteered to fight (right from the camps) and they were in one of the most decorated units of the war. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2475 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
My response to Rustang's post was about as germaine as your irrelevant dissertation. As usual you are looking up the cow's behind, when we were talking about his head. Rustang was asking for opinions about why some ancient humans did one thing and others did others things. I suggested it was about agression and passiveness, all of which had something to do with the different genetic evolution of the original species, and that this had an influence of who went where and did what. You decided to re-configure the issue and cop a plea. And talk about a discombobulated hodge podges, what does your comment about the Japanese have to do with anything? Japan was aggressive enough to attack America in 1941 and was kicking its butt during the early months of the war. It is still a force to reckoned with in the world, and the Japanese in these country today are surviving quite well. What's your point? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2476 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Make that "germane" instead of germaine." (And isn't it amazing how Chrishayden was so quick to belittle Rustang's comments and then went ballistic when somebody dared challenge his response? LOL) | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1385 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: Whatever it is you're smoking I want some of THAT! Save some for me-- You obviously don't know what either me or Rustang is talking about! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2477 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
That's right, Chris, try and deflect the attention from your own vacuousness. And I might add, that you don't know what you're talking about either. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1386 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: You are the vicountess of vacuity. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2478 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Rustang, I'm surprised you didn't chime in on the discussion you sparked. Chris seems focused on the historical and sociolgical aspects of what negatively influenced the destiny of the descendants of the second wave of migrants who left Africa, while I am fixated on the anthropology and genetics of why things played out as they did. You wonder if because of a regression into self-destructiveness whether the second wave of migrants were mentally programmed into enduring domination, and is it possible to intellectualize all this away. How about we just trivialize it. Bottom line. Will gas prices reach $5.00 a gallon before the year is out? | ||
| Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang Post Number: 106 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A |
Actually,the reason that I haven't chimed in is because I have been very busy today and this is the first chance that I've had to sit down.Damn shame that a man of my calibre should have to work for a living. As far as the people that choose to believe that the world is 6000 years old go,they are,in my opinion,idiots.They care nothing for evidence,they are only concerned with what someone told them so that they don't have to pick up a book,the bible and actually read it.Ask them how much time transpired between 'In the begining' and when Adam came into the picture.Whatever the answer,the possibility of error exists because it just doesn't say.There are many specific individuals in black history that have made tremendous strides forward.My comments were observations about the history of races,not the contributions of individuals.Any comment made about any specific race could be interpreted as racist,if a person chooses to take it that way.However,if the terms 'black culture' or 'black history' have meaning,then it must be possible to make observations about them without these observations being racist a priori.I am quite familiar with the people that you have mentioned,but again,I am not talking about individuals. I would agree that,from where you are sitting,you have absolutely no idea whether or not I am 'black african american.(Didn't know that there was any other kind,but "moving right along")If you would take a moment and read what I had to say in the thread of a few days ago ,'Full circle',it should be obvious that I have forgotten nothing.You will also notice that I understood before your response ever came up that I am well aware of the intellectual stature ,or lack thereof,of the average american,and offered a possible motive for why this is being perpetrated on the american people.This 'counterattack you speak of has been going on far longer than any forty years. You also might have noticed that my first post ended with questions,not statements.I feel like the evidence warrants taking a look at this.If it is in fact the case,then we need to be aware of this to figure out a way to work around it.I would be less than honest if I didn't at least mention how I have little liking for ivory tower gasbags blowing out their latest burst of social genius and attempting to fabricate arguement where none should exist.If you see actual flaws in what I have said I'd be glad to give them a listen.Have a wonderful evening. | ||
| Roxie "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Roxie Post Number: 139 Registered: 06-2005 Rating: N/A |
Rustang: ---They care nothing for evidence,they are only concerned with what someone told them so that they don't have to pick up a book,the bible and actually read it.-- God, one of those idiots is living with us right now. He's always wondering why people think I'M the OLDER cousin. -_-' It's SO DAMN REFRESHING to hear a rational voice right now, thanks. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1389 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: You don't know nuffin' 'bout anthropology or genetics (or birfin' no babies, neither!) | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2480 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I know what I remember from the courses I took in these subjects, Chris. (I also know that there is such word as "negroid", an anthropological term that seems to totally disconcert you. And I would certainly think that a comic book/sci-fi fan like you would be familiar with the phenomenon of mutation, something that never seems to occur to you when it comes to the real-life evolution of the human species. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1390 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: Yeah and they used to call automobiles horseless carriages. That term went out with high button shoes--which you still wear and were in fashion when you went to that mail order school where you got your degree-- But okay. School us. Quote us chapter and verse from where you got your theories. I'm all eyes. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2481 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Oh go back on back to reading your comic books, dufus, before I sic Rustang on you. 'Told your ass off good didn't, he?? As far as my trying to enlighten you on any subject, the person has yet to be born who you think can do this. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1392 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
You couldn't melt Rust Thang down and pour --him-she-it on me. You hear that, Rust Thang? You're weak! You can't think. And you don't know nothing. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2482 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Psst. C'mon over here, yall. Can you guys believe that the vaunted Chris Hayden is not familiar with the anthropological theory supporting the idea that the Caucasoid stock is a genetic mutation of the original Negroid stock? How does he think the white race got fair skin and straight hair and blue eyes. Jeeze. Oh, I forgot. "Intelligent" design. | ||
| Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang Post Number: 107 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A |
Well then.That certainly turned very childish very quickly,didn't it?I'm sure that this sort of conflict resolution strategy served you well as a teen-ager,Chris.It might be to your advantage to try to raise the bar for yourself as an adult,though.I believe that someone advised someone else to keep their eye on the ball earlier.Would you grace us with an explaination of how my age/gender/race/ethnicity is even relevant to the questions raised in my original post?What difference does it make?Could it be that you mis-read the original post so badly that you mistakenly believed that you had something worthwhile to contribute to the topic?Or was it just the obsession to disagree with Cynique?If you thought,and I use the word loosely,that you could stomp your foot at me and I would run up a tree like a frightened squirrel,then you were,once again,badly mistaken.It's a shame that stupidity is not a profession.You have a real gift. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1399 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Bust Thang, you wouldn't make a pimple on my butt! | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1400 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: Cover it up. Cover it up. I would ask you to site that theory or a prominent anthropologist who holds it but you probably have to wait til they put that Pigmeat Markham album out on CD. What would that have to do with your and Rusty Dusty Thangs white supremecist ravings? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2495 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
If you so freakin smart, Chris Hayden, why don't you give a rebuttal to my claims instead of ridicuing them? Cite me a anthropological study that contradicts what I say, instead of focusing on how far back I go. What is your own personal theory as to why the races are different? Who is your source? What is the current conventional thinking as to why white people are white and black people are black and asian people are "yellow"? Are you too chicken to say that you believe in the garden of Eden scenario? You the great realist and free thinker. Snort. And you have the nerve to accuse somebody of being dated. Admit it. George Bush has become your hero. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1403 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: I asked first. You show me yours and I'll show you mine. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2496 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I don't have to show you nothing, Chris. Do your own research. Or apply commons sense to what is obvious. It follows that if you can tell a person's race by their DNA, then somewhere along the line during the evolution of homo sapiens, changes took place within the original species. That, along with the effect of climate, and migration influenced how groups developed and coped with their environment. I never said one race was superior but that the races are different from each other and this apparently had an effect on who ended up where. If you gotta problem with that statement, too bad. | ||
| Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang Post Number: 109 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A |
Cynique,the application of common sense requires the possession of common sense.A person that uses evil spirits to explain the ills of the world is either exceedingly ignorant or delusional.A person that can read the original post of this thread and come up with 'white supremicist ravings'is either,again,exceedingly ignorant or delusional.Or both.That could just be an occupational hazard of ripping off J.R.R. Tolkien and Robert A. Heinlein for a living. Chris,let me just make sure that you understand one thing.Nothing that I have said to you or about you was motivated by anything other than my intense dislike for you personally.It was not motivated by your being a member of any demographic block,not the area in which you live,not your ancestry or your socio-economic status.It's you.You are a very stupid man.You are not a stupid man for any reason other than that you,Chris Hayden,are a very stupid man.Go ahead and tell us about how the dinosaurs got wiped out in Noah's flood or something,because the first time that you get around to actually making a definitive statement about anything,rather than just being argumentative and disagreeing for the sole purpose of being disagreeable,I will be more than happy to rip it to shreds for you.I am confident that it will be a very stupid statement,since it will be you that is making it,and you are obviously incapable of making any other kind.Feel free to unleash that stinging wit of yours and slay me with something about rubber and glue. |
