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Rustang
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There seems to be a disproportionately high number of threads on this board pertaining to non-issues like 'does colorism exist in the black community?'There have been a plethora of suggestions,some better than others,about what could and should be done to correct this.Given the facts that people insist upon their right to be as ignorant as choose,and that there is no 'black community' in any meaningful sense,it seems to me that people are merely wearing themselves out in vain trying to persuade,cajole or coerce other people into a state of enlightenment.It strikes me as being quite silly to waste all of the resources required to bring about fundemental changes in the fantasy world happening on the tvs and movie screens of america when those same resources could have been used to bring about change in the real world that people actually live in.If reality changes then hollywood will be dragged along in tow all by itself.
As some of you might recall,my first post on this board was about this very subject.Why is it so completely unworkable for black people to organize on the local levels,select candidates of integrity and intelligence from their own communities,show up on election day and vote for those candidates and start working towards a better world on the streets of america instead of on the silver screen?Don't allow the Harvard and Yale white boys of the Democratic party to select your Head Negro in Charge for you.Go with people that are actually known and respected in the local community by the residents of that community.The time is better now for that than it ever been in the past.Your average white person below the age of forty is very weak,lazy and quite stupid these days,in my opinion.How about it,folks? |
Yvettep
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Great thread!
I do understand what you are saying, Rustang. I wish I could focus only on "the real world." But for me as a parent of two five year olds, the world of TV, movies, music, literature and images in general is part of the real world. I don't see this as either/or, but both/and.
Candidates get elected at least in part on the basis of "image." Little girls get their idea of who is beautiful at least in part on the basis of the images they see reflected back to them. I am not saying "image is all." I'm saying it is a part. An important part, especially if you are parenting young children.
I do not think it is unworkable for Blacks to organize. I think this is happening in many communities around the country, as well as in the "cyber Black community." Like you, I wish this would happen more, and be more sustained over the long run instead of existing mostly in "crisis mode." Maybe one thing this board can serve as is a clearing house to showcase some of those efforts. |
Cynique
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As the legendary Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley once said, "all politics is local". And, actually, grass-roots campaigns abound in this country. But politics is a dirty business and the problems arise when good men go bad. Invariably, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Like the black mayor of Detroit; everybody had high hopes for him and he is now a cinch to be voted out because he squandered all of the city funds on cars and luxuries and maxed out his corporate credit card on personal purchases. Unfortunately, nice guys finish last and the charismatic ones can't be trusted. Yes, I know I'm a pessimist but I've been discouraged by things that have happened right here in my own home town. But - "hope springs eternal in the human breast". I guess. |
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Rustang:--Your average white person below the age of forty is very weak,lazy and quite stupid these days,in my opinion.How about it,folks? --
Your right about that, I see many whites kids like that on campus wasting their parents money. Sad.
Once the color of those behind the camera changes, the image in front will change as well. Instead of the negative "things will never change" attitude, we do need to organize and learn to help each other again, like they did during Jim Crow. This time it would help to take in any supporters that are willing to help us, albeit non-blacks or light-skinned blacks who were lucky enough to avoid the "light is right" conditioning. I myself tired of seeing little girls and the women my age and older not being able to see themselves for the beauties they are and taking it out on people who have image issues themselves (bi-racials). Neither is at fault, instead they are the victims of a terrible conditioning. All that crap on MTV, UPN, national geo. channel is just that, color-conditioning, and we need to counter-condition if we want our children and the well-being of our people back.
Thanks Rustang, it's nice to hear a moderate(read: rational) voice right now. |
Rustang
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To Yvette I'd say that you will certainly have your hands full for quite some time.Folks get to raise their own kids the best way that they know,but,for what it's worth,how I handled that with my daughter was to make sure that she understood the difference between what she saw on tv and what she saw happening in the real world.The differences were striking so it wasn't a very difficult point to get across.When she got to be about fourteen I had the same talk with her that my mother had with me when I was about that age.I was a little more 'correct'with it than my mother was though.What she told me was "Some folks got a good body,some folks got a good heart and some folks got a good head.The Lord done blessed you with all three,but you gonna need to get all you can out of all three,cause them white folks don't give a damn about you and they ain't got NO mercy in their hearts." Looking back to when and where this was,podunk north georgia in the late fifties,I'd have say that truer words were never spoken.
To Cynique:There has always been one glaring flaw in our political process.We have a long list of eligibility requirements for people to hold various offices.It's my opinion that the only people who should be barred from holding office are those that seek office.There is a fundemental flaw in their character.As I said,we need to go find people of integrity and intelligence.We need people that can do a day's work with their pants on all day.People who aren't looking tp line their own pockets at the expense of their constituancy.You can tell whether or not you have the right person by the way that they have conducted themselves in the community for last 30 or 40 years.
To Roxie:My self-esteem is based solely on my track record.I knew right up front that there are people that won't accept me no matter what simply because of the way I looked.I have had to expand that group to include the 'light,bright,damn near white' folks on occassion,but I don't allow the ignorance of another person to warp my assessment of how I'm doing.I have enough ignorance of my own to deal with.I have tried to pass this on to my family,and it's been my experience that solid,loving home in which everyone seems sane will go an awful long way towards cancelling out the negativity seen on the idiot box. |
Cynique
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Yeah, Rustang, not running for political office should be the first qualification for a candidate. Ambition can be lethal. Leaders should all be drafted, and should reluctantly accept the call. As for "West Africa", it's funny how different people come across to different people. My impression of him is that he is an erudite "tight-ass"; I'm thinking that he has posted here on this board once before under the name of "evilgoon." His sentences are like mazes, but what the heck. It takes all kinds of wordsmiths to make life interesting, and just as I proclaimed you a common sense rapper, I proclaim him an "intellectual" rapper. |
Yukio
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rustang: interesting comments (the first post)....i agree participatory politics at the local level could work if it became a tradition rather than a response to a candidate we don't like...we should start with explaining basic government to our children, friends, family, etc...to encourage participation and demonstrate that they have some power. This point them to community and interest groups that relevant to their own political leanings. Even a rereading of the black power movement would be helpful...two books edited by the same folk Freedom North (Palgrave 2003) and Groundwork (NYU 2005)examine local political movements throughout the south, north, midwest, and west. The editors are Jeanne Theoharis and Komozi Woodard....good reading! |
Rustang
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Maybe you'll see West Africa and me back to back on Lyric Cafe someday.To Yukio I would suggest a different sort of book.How to have your guy win an election is not uncharted territory.It has been refined to a science.Here is how you do it,and it does not require wide spread grass roots support.It can be accomplished on the local level with maybe a dozen people and minimal resources.Chairman Mao laid it out nicely.Awareness,opposition,acceptance,preference.First you pick the front man.In this case we would actually want a person of character.You run a few spots on local tv and radio stations so that the public at large is aware of our guy's throwing his hat into the ring.Then you start your opposition.Pay a few white guys to stand out in front of your headquarters and shout Klan slogans,burn a cross or two,maybe break a couple of windows,etc..Get real ugly real publicly.Have them start popping up on the evening news and get the general public aware of how ignorant and frightening the opposition to your guy is and the average guy on the streets will equate this thuggery with your guy's actual opponent and make a point of showing up on election day to vote against your opponent.We did this buy accident in the 60s and that got us the right to vote and now everybody takes it for granted that any citizen of the U.S. should allowed to vote.Look at the states that bush carried in the last election.He pushes the hot button and his response to any question about anything is either "Abortion!Homosexual!" or "Terrorist are coming to kill you" and that has people on their way to the bank to sign the foreclosure papers on the land that their family has worked for 150 years stopping off to vote for the guy that's been working overtime to make that happen.We must never overestimate the intelligence of Joe Sixpack.Wonderful reading,that Little Red Book. |
Cynique
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Guess Karl Rove must've read Mao's manual, too. |
Yukio
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rustang:
My comments concerned not solely winning an election, but political consciousness and goverance. How does one become informed of the power dynamics in the neighborhood? How does a constituency ensure that their candidate will do what they promised? What does the constituency do if the candidate doesn't? Do they have to wait until the next election? What are alternatives are besides relying on the state? These questions pertain to governance and political consciousness
I really doubt if the gambit you described would work on a consistent basis. Your comments are rather strange; I thought you were talking about grassroots organizing. Perhaps, I misread....wont be the first or last time.
At any rate, your anecdote is one example. The books i suggested for whoever interested, have many others, grounded in research and analysis...I think they are interesting because they assess wins and losses, strengths and weaknesses.
Good day!
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Rustang
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To Cynique:Yea he did and he learned the lessons well.That is why he has been so successful.Think of the audacity required to have bush challenge Kerry's war record.Whatever a person might believe about the quality of Kerry's service,most folks would agree that he did at least show up.
To Yukio:You raise good points which I will address one at a time.One becomes informed of the power dynamics of a neighborhood by living in that neighborhood and staying abreast of what's going on around you.
The world offers no guarantees.It does,however, allow for risk management.
The idea of having a population able to fire an elected official is not an attractive one.The first time that official did something that was both right and unpopular you would lose a good man and replace them with someone that is instantly swayed by the most popular thing rather than the best thing.It is no difficult feat to whip the herd into a frenzy.That is why the founding fathers of this country set things up the way that they did.
In order to have a system of true self rule,you would require an entire population that would stay informed enough to make rational decisions and they would need to be virtually immune to purely selfish motives,so I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.
The gambit I described was a gross over-simplification of a process that has in the past and does in the present work on a sickeningly consistant basis.
Now,about grassroots organizing.No successful revolution that I am aware of ever started out as a grass roots movement.The reason for this is the same that I applied to true self-governence.Revolutions start out as a couple of people in a basement talking and formulating a strategy.The herd becomes involved after the tyrants abuse the people one time too many and that is the match that lights the fuse.But the preparations required to be able to capitalize on what would be merely temporary chaos,like the Watts riot for example,which eventually fizzles out and it's back to business as usual,have been in the works for quite a while by a small tight band,like the Jacobins,and when the situation allows,let the festivities begin.It is,however,necessary to also have a grass-roots type of program in the works in order to generate some familiarity between the people and the people that will be entrusted with power.
What is happening here is also part of the process.Keeping the intellegentsia theorizing and speculating about the futility of trying to make a better world is critical.They (we?)come to the conclusion that,since the new order of things would not be perfect and would require a process of fine tuning by trial and error,we might as well keep the system that we have in place until our staggering intellect produces the perfect utopian world.The reason that this is critical is because it does at least get these people out of the way.Functionally,it is as if they (again we ?)don't even exist as far as having anything resembling relevance to what is actually going on in the world that real people are living and dying in.So it is crucial that we continue in our research and analysis.That way,since we offer no help,we at least will do no harm.
Fascinating discussion. |
Libralind2
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" The Revolution Will Not Be Televised " |
Kola_boof
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No, and the REASON the revolution will not be televised...
...is because it's taking place in the wombs and livingrooms of the Darkest skinned black women in America.
So no, it won't be televised.
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Kola_boof
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By the way....
I've just re-stated Farrakhan's position, which I happen to agree with, because I SEE IT.
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Roxie
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what did he say(or do)? |
Rustang
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Actually,I think that the revolution will be televised.The initial phase,anyway.Consider that the federal government is currently bogged down in wars in two different countries that it can't possibly win,recruiting is going so poorly that they have to rotate national guard units through combat and use what are essentially hired mercenaries for 'security' duties.Add to the equation an increasingly disgruntled population that is struggling harder than any generation since the great depression to get by which saw gas prices double in a matter of days,what they perceive as their jobs going to other countries in ridiculously high numbers,their taxes going up while the priviliged few have their taxes reduced to virtually nothing,companies like Hewlett Packard laying of 50,000 people in the same year that the C.E.O had her compensation package nearly tripled,etc...what you come up with could hardly be called a recipe for success.If bush had ever bothered to pick up a book he would realize that his foriegn policy is what was one of the major contributing factors to the fall of the Roman empire and his domestic policy is the same sort of thing that caused the American and French revolutions.If one reads the Declaration of Independence,they will recognize many of the items on that list of things that the founding fathers were so pissed off about.
There are also many groups of folks in this country that have no liking at all for the federal government.Before 9/11 the worst act of terrorism committed in America was perpetrated by an american in Oklahoma City,and he was not just some lone nut case.He was a member of a pretty extensive organization.We also have the right wing hate groups like the Klan that are real pissed off about the government 'handing the country over to the Nigger and the Jew on a silver platter'.
I could go on and on about the different instances of how there are way too many with way too little,but I think that anyone that has a tv and is able to read,especially between the lines,could do the same thing for themself.And,when I listen to this idiot that we have at helm talking on tv,I hear exactly the same sort of disconnect from reality that was displayed by Marie Antoinette,not realizing apparently that the gates are wide open and the sentries are on a coffee break as the barbarians close on the city.I just don't see how there would be any way that something real ugly is not about to get started.So,yeah,I think that it will be widely televised. |
Roxie
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Why are we arguing about wether it's gonna be televised are not? We all agree that the revolution IS coming, don't we? Either way, it'll confront the people some other way if not the television.
(ooh, I can' wait!) |
Rustang
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We aren't really arguing about whether or not it will appear on tv.I agree with Kola about there being a cultural and spiritual revolution in the making.It's just that I am of the opinion that that one won't really have time to come about because of the sho 'nuff ,people pissed off,building burning,head taking,americans shooting at americans revolution that appears to be ready to take off.I'd have to say that this one is not something that I'm looking forward to. |
Tonya
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The crazy white boy revolution??? I'm not looking forward either. |
Kola_boof
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ROXIE, I guess before you were born
In the 1970's as the Black Power Movement was falling apart, Gil Scott Heron predicted that---"The revolution will not be televised". He was speaking about the liberation of BLACK PEOPLE in America.
Farrakhan, about 2 years ago, took it a step further and said that the women at the most bottom of our community (he said, "Those darkest of sisters") are the ones whose rage and fury is the strongest and who are the most disenfranchised from everyone.....will produce the progeny who will bring about the next revolution for Black People. OF COURSE---since the "darkest" of Black women are all but invisible in this country, but are the MAJORITY in our community.....it's in their wombs that the next revolution will appear from.
Much like Harriett Tubman and Sojourner Truth type women gave birth to the revolutions that caused Blacks to realize that they were slaves and that slavery was wrong.
It ALWAYS takes the "mothers" of the people to give birth...to a new son.
Which is what I have been preaching.
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Rustang
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To Tonya:Yeah,that's the one.Except it won't just be the crazies.It is true that the crazies will be a part of it.So you recall that guy Weaver that saw the feds gun down his family on Ruby Ridge a few years back?I expect that he's still pretty pissed off.Him and a bunch of other folks in that area.All of those folks that were counting on an Enron pension?I guess they're not real happy.All of those folks who have been either unemployed or brutally under-employed as a result of the economic recovery of the last few years?I guess a fair number of them are pissed.Had a child or a sibling killed in Iraq or Afghanistan?Pissed off.All of those dark complexioned black ladies?Pissed.Gay?Probably not real happy with bush trying to push through a constitutional ammendment to declare you an eternal second class citizen.Guilty of being black while living in florida?Or Ohio?Or Los Angeles?Or Alabama?etc......A very telling sign indeed would be when you see Soccor Mom bouncing out of her minivan blazing away like Cowboy Bob because she got pulled over.It happens here in Texas.
There is a very high number of people considered to be quite sane and mainstream middle america that have just had way too much of what we've all been getting for years and the right(wrong?) match will set that powder keg off.What the end result will be is contingient solely on which group was best prepared for the inevitable.I can easily visualize a number of scenarios of how it could end up and all of the ones that I'd put up near the top of the probability list are not situations that I would be very comfortable with.That's the primary reason that I'm always pulling for establishing some sort of unity through which we have some semblance of a power base.There are many people that I personally have little love for,but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. |
Tonya
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Rustang said:
That's the primary reason that I'm always pulling for establishing some sort of unity through which we have some semblance of a power base.There are many people that I personally have little love for,but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Tonya:
Excellent strategy, Rustang. I'm with you on that and I would like to hear more about it.
Tonya
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Rustang
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To Tonya:There are a number of things that must be accomplished on both the personal and group levels.On the personal level I have to drop that bizaar concept of 'various degrees of niggerdom'that we seem to be walking around with.I don't know where that idea originated,but it is waaaay too stupid for us to have figured it out for ourselves.Somebody had to hand that one to us by word and by positive/negative reinforcement.Your complexion might be lighter than mine,but when it comes right down to it,you are no less a nigger than I am to that small,white power elite.You might be darker than me(not likely,but possible )but that small white power elite doesn't like me a bit better than it does you.This must be engraved in the hearts and the minds of all americans that are of recent(the last few centuries)african descent.We must drop these ridiculous 'cultural imperatives'that have people respecting drug dealers,thugs and pimps while holding education,honesty and integrity in low esteem.These are long range projects that won't be realized in my lifetime and probaly not in yours,but that brings up the first phase of the actual 'plan'.We must understand how the opponent thinks.There is a reason that,even though a small minority worldwide,white folks are the ones that ended up controlling damn near all of the worlds resources.This can be attributed to two characteristics they seem to possess in insanely high degrees.One is best illustrated by the battle of Thermopylae.300 Spartans vs. 200,000 Persians.Had it not been for pass that allowed the Persians to get around behind the Spartans and surround them that fight might have gone on for weeks.They simply refuse to accept defeat.They will fight tooth and claw to the very last breath of the very last man.If one old woman remains then the fight is not over.They will destroy the entire planet before they have someone walking around on it saying 'I beat you'.That's why the Persians finished them off with archers from a distance.The remaining 100,000 Persians wanted no part of going down there to finish off the remaining 17 unarmed Spartans at close quarters.These people are just plain crazy like that.They also understand the value of organization.That's what the Romans had on the rest of the world.That's what the europeans and white americans have on the rest of the world today.The average white person does not posses any special organizational genius but there are those few in the power elite that do.But the average one does have grunt determination of refusing to be beaten when organized and properly motivated by the few in charge.
This is who we are trying to wrest the power away from and they are not stupid,nor are they willing to just sit back and watch it happen without doing everything possible to stop it.Step one is to understand what we are up against.
Fortunately for us,the average white person seems to have this need to believe that,even though they commit or turn a blind eye to the most ghastly attrocities,they are still,deep down,good people.That is the only chink in their armor.We must have them aware of our cause which is so obviously just,as Kennedy said,and have the brutal opposition to our just cause thrown in their faces on a nightly basis and they will come to accept that we are not hurting anyone and they will prefer that we be allowed the dignity due to all people so that this will get of their faces and allow them to return to peaceful illusion that are indeed good people.
Ahh.Suppertime.To be continued |
Tonya
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Ok. Rustang! Extremely interesting, I can hardly wait for more!
Tonya |
Rustang
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And now for part two.While in conquest mode the white folks understand that you can't occupy and control a land without collaboraters.Take the Nazi occupation of France for example.They utilized the french people as much as the greed of said french people would allow.That's why the resistance fighters killed collaboraters at every opportunity,no questions asked.They also understood this.There was also a very significant italian resistance.A large number of italians weren't down Il Duce's bullshit and after the liberation of Italy the got the opportunity to share their feelings with him personaly.I believe that they impaled him on a meathook and then beat him to death.It cannot be overemphasized how crucial it is that no black person be a collaborater.This will not be easily accpmplished either,since we seem to have a different way of looking at things than they do.A quick example of this.A few years ago I was taliking to a friend of mine,a white dude.He's in the same line of work as I am and we just get along very well.I was telling him about how a nephew of mine had been struggling lately and had an eviction notice nailed to his door by the landlord.My asked what my nephew had done so I said that he fumed and cussed and started packing his stuff.What else could he do?My friend said "Sheeyut!You nail an eviction notice to my door and then I nail your dog to yours and we go from there."Something like that would never have even crossed my mind. There can be no collaboration.They think differently.Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton etc... are collaboraters.
We start on the local level and we,this is important,start from scratch.City council positions are not that difficult to secure.You select a person from the neighborhood that has lived there for a very long time,is known by many to have an unimpeachable reputation for honesty.They'll be needing that because if he or she slips once , a white journalist will be there to document it.They will be like gum on his shoe.Get your guy elected from your neighborhood and maybe a councilman at large.This will give you the chance to see how they'll really act.A new organization must be established so this new wave of honest council members can coordinate their efforts with each other from different cities.All this takes is a web site.After a few tears of this you have the support system in place to shoot for mayor.The major cities are heavily populated by blacks.This is also doable.Work your way up to the state level etc...These new wave folks must all be black of skin and heart.They must work closely with eack other.And see above about mounting your own opposition campaigns to garner the 'good will' of these white folks that would rather see themselves as good people.Nothing to it.
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A quick footnote.If you have children then you will have to take responibility for their education.The public schools were bad twenty years ago and have gotten worse at an alarming rate.If you question this just ask the next 17 year old you see what the capitol of New York is,even if you live in New York.Never mind about Spinoza,or Pythagoras or Frederick Douglass.Ask them who Gerald Ford was.They're idiots.And there is method to that particular madness.The rich send their children to private schools.This is a systematic assault on the middle class.In 30 years there will be no middle class that we would recognize as such.Tax them into poverty and make sure that their children are morons.Then we have all of the cannon fodder that we want.So I'm not saying oversee their education.You will have to educate them yourself.This should be a matter of common practise in the black community.Saturday schools that are in no way affiliated with the government.Kind of like the jewish people have been doing for centuries.Teach them to read,how to count their fingers and come up with the same answer twice in a row,the history of this planet and the societies on it,everything,because what you don't teach them they just plain won't know. |
Kola_boof
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Rustang...that's EXACTLY what I do.
You're very right.
My sons are inundated with "lessons" and "talks" and "quizzes"......and because I educated myself using the PUBLIC LIBRARY (and sleeping with brilliant men so I could pick their brains, I kid you not)...I'm a great believer that doing it yourself is much more precise, effective and lasting.
The first thing you teach a child is..."HOW to learn how to learn". It's very important and once they grasp that, your job is easy.
Through critical thinking and a thirst for knowledge---people begin educating themselves automatically---at all times.
Also, by securing your child's emotional needs, you free them up with extra time (and confidence) for learning.
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Rustang
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You are a wonderful example of what I'm talking about,Kola.I have really come to appreciate the value of a good education,having suffered from the lack of one my entire life.I never slept with brilliant men ,but I've sure fixed their cars for free as long as they would take a little time out to explain to me what it is that they do and how one goes about doing that.Seeing to the emotional needs of our children is of paramount importance.Children that take it for granted that they are loved and secure will be far better suited to learning how to think rather than what to think. |
Cynique
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So, if somebody approached you about running for office Rustang, would you run??? I find your blue print for political viability valid - but could it really be implemented?? The words "power struggle" keep echoing in my ear. And you are, of course, a visionary when it comes to eliminating socio-economic ills which is why the word "utopia" also echos in my ear. But, - it's all good. And you know I wouldn't be Cynique if I didn't just simply endorse the idea of a benign dictator. ONE brilliant, humane, man in total control of everything. Either that, or anarchy. LOL |
Rustang
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To Cynique:You might recall that we had this same conversation back in april.I'm the guy with the solid 7th grade education.Hardly what I would consider leadership material.This isn't really about politics.it's about survival.As I've stated above,it is my opinion that things are about to get very,very ugly in the near future.Here are a couple of things to consider.What happened to the Neanderthals?Why is it that they aren't around any more?They lived side by side with modern man for a few thousand years.What happened to those ninety something million native americans that were here in the fifteenth century?Why is it that when you travel through north,central and south america you hear people speaking english,spanish,french and portugese?What happened to the Aztecs?I don't think that they were speaking spanish and portugese in the 1300s.How is it that such a thing as 'African Americans' even exists?How did we come to be here in America?Every other race that these people have encountered they have conquered,enslaved and eventually wiped them from the face of the earth.It is not possible to over-emphasize this point.These people are crazy.They dropped a couple of atom bombs on the japanese just for fun.That isn't really my idea of humour.So it isn't really what we could do.It is what we must do in order to survive as a people.I know that you and I won't be around to see it,but on this one we should take a page out of their book.They routinely start projects that they know they won't live long enough to see the completion of. |
Yvettep
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I'd vote for you Rustang
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Cynique
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Come on, now, Rustang. You have to have the courage of your convictions. Only having a grade school education is no big deal. Look at Lincoln. Look at Peter Jennings. You and I both know that leaders are born not made, and they emerge when that "tide in the affairs of men" is taken and either the man makes the plan or the plan makes the man. Having the ability to delegate authority is also about intincts rather than education. Sooo, if not you? Who??? I agree that America is on a collision course with change but change can't be stopped. Time marches on, and nothing stays the same. I'm inclinded to believe that it is about the survival of the fittest and the saving grace is that things do come and go in cycles. So folks moreorless have to pick which side they're going to be on and wait for its turn at bat. |
Yukio
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rustang,...much of what you've stated is grassroots...lmao! Grassroots is "You select a person from the neighborhood that has lived there for a very long time,is known by many to have an unimpeachable reputation for honesty.They'll be needing that because if he or she slips once , a white journalist will be there to document it.They will be like gum on his shoe.Get your guy elected from your neighborhood and maybe a councilman at large.This will give you the chance to see how they'll really act.A new organization must be established so this new wave of honest council members can coordinate their efforts with each other from different cities."
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Tonya
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Rustang,
I don’t know if you are familiar with the city of Philadelphia, but what you described in part two of your post is exactly what happened here. John Street, the current mayor of Philadelphia, was elected to city council ( which appears to be mostly black) years before he became mayor. He started out as the neighborhood guy and he still is. I don’t know him very well, but he’s cool with my mother. From what I know of him he seems to be very honest, caring, honorable and a down to earth black man who loves black people; however, he is still being featured on the news every day because of some scandal that the FBI is accusing him of being involved in. I think he is innocent, but the media has been tearing him down, slowly and probably surely. So my question is this: have you considered how easy it is for an honest , neighborhood guy to either become corrupt , or be painted by the Feds and the media as such. I know you say that he needs to be honest so that he won’t get railroaded by the media, but if John Street really is innocent and honest (which he appears to be) then an honest man is getting completely railroaded.
Tonya
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Rustang
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That's very nice of you Yvette.Thank you.To Cynique,I'd have to say that these are different times than Lincoln's.Hardly anybody had a high school diploma then,and Peter Jennings was a guy that was hired,not elected.And to Yukio,you will recall that I said that the grassroots arm of the movement was required for a number of reasons.And it's always a good idea to hedge your bet by hoping for best while preparing for the worst.If events take a couple of unlikely turns,then outright civil war might be avoided,so it would be a very good idea to start installing people that will inadvertently diffuse enough of the rage building up all across the board in America by implementing programs that begin to redistribute the wealth of the world to something a little more equitable.
To Tonya:Yes,I've been following Mr Street (figuratively ) for a while.What John Ashcroft did was the same thing that forced the resignation of Nixon.He had the FBI install what would have been,if not for the 'patriot' act,illegal wiretaps on Mr Streets office and phones,and the best that they could come up with ,it seems,was an allegation of traffic ticket fixing and rumors of possibilities concerning an airport contract and a relative of his.Oh,yeah.And the skateboarders seem to be pissed off about that Love Park thing.He is a perfect example of what we are discussing.Again,these people are not stupid,and if someone catches their notice and seems to be trying to do right by the people,especially black people,they will come straight at his ass with everything imaginable.Outright lies,distortions,fabricated evidence,they will set up all sorts of circumstances to present him the opportunity to shoot himself in the foot.The purpose of all of that being exactly what you are mentioned concerning how easy it is to corrupt and,if that doesn't work,then railroad him on something.It's not that these are hypothetical possibilities.You can count on it.Every one of our guys will for a fact experience exactly that sort of treatment.But forewarned should mean forearmed.It doesn't always,but it sure should.The advantage of local positions is this,though.Even if they do run him or her out of office,we can vote them right back in.Look at Marion Barry.He actually should have been run out of office,but I guess the good people of our nation's capitol don't see any problem with having their mayor piled up in a hotel with a bunch of hookers smoking crack,so they voted him right back in.It should be much easier to get a person that has actually been trying to do right by his constituency voted back in,independent of whatever cost him the office. |
Cynique
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Harry Truman never attended college, Rustang, and I maintain that a charismatic person who could captivate the public could get elected whether he finished grade school or not. To a lot of people that would be a plus. That's what grass roots are all about. Would you hesitate to vote for a person who had everything else going for him but a diploma? Also, look at Arnold Schwartzenegger. If a foreigner whose father was a suspected nazi can get elected, anybody can. |
Rustang
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I certainly appreciate what you are saying,Cynique,I thank you from the bottom of my heart.I suppose that the truth of matter would be that,if there was absolutely no one better qualified,I would go ahead and hold down the position until the right person came along.But there are many,many people in every community that would be excellent choices.Far better than I would be.I also have come to have a pretty good understanding of my own assets and liabilities.I pretty sure that it is no secret that bush doesn't run anything.If there is doubt on this point,let's take a look at who was trotted out to the environmental wasteland of ground zero and who was buried underneath a concrete mountain after 9/11.Somebody felt that it was far more essential that Cheney's safety was seen to while bush was counted as expendible.I do much better in the position of a Rove or a Cheney,except for the fact that I have that pesky knowledge of the difference between right and wrong and have that even more pesky obsession with trying to do the right and refrain from the wrong,but,other than that,I would be better in the role of a Rove or Cheney.I know how to take the long view and how to maintain focus on the objective.A leader needs to have a person like that around.Someone that will go ahead and say what's on there mind instead what you want to hear.
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Cynique
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I wasn't so much sweating you about running for office, Rustang, as I was about calling to your attention the reality of if a "common" man of your integrity doesn't want to run for office, what makes you think others of that calibre would? That's why I think your political theory sounds good, but would be hard to bring into fruition. |
Rustang
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Our guy needs to be someone that we have to pester the dickens out of for a good long while until they finally relent and say "Ok.Ok!Anything to just get you out of my face!"I'm of the opinion that it would be even harder than we realize to bring into fruition.If it was as easy as just deciding that it would be a good idea and that we should give it a whirl then it would have been accomplished a long time ago.It is actually going to have to be a very special sort of person that we start out with,since the first few will definitely have strokes,heart attacks or fatal car crashes.It's a rare bird that will know that and walk on into it anyway.And as a side note,they most certainly can not be 'The Reverend Somebody'.Jesse and Al have managed to suck every little bit of dignity and credibility out of that particular title. |
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