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West_africa
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Post Number: 26
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What would happen if the Africans or the African-Americans had the intelligence, the will, and the determination to actually SOLVE at least several of their critical problems?
For example, HIV/AIDS. If Africans or African-Americans had the intelligence, will, and determination to defeat the virus ( to defeat AIDS, which is a syndrome), could we expect them to achieve it?
What type and caliber of consciousness would step up to that challenge?
Are we, or are we not?
Would that consciousness be a master of culture, or mastered by economics?
If we were...of that intelligence, of that will, of that determination..., what would be the consequences?
What would happen? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2443
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First of all, we have to ask ourselves what would happen if West Africa asked straight forward questions instead of riddles. BTW, when did AIDS become a syndrome?? I thought it was a disease caused by the HIV virus. |
Rustang
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Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. It seems more to me to be a tremendously verbose manner of asking what should be a very simple question,or more accurately a statement,as in "we should quit squabbling among ourselves and organize.We could accomplish much together"That's my reading of it,anyway. |
Cynique
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Oops. My bad. Thanks for the heads-up, Rustang. I forgot what A.I.D.S. stood for. Actually, I was able to extract the substance of West Africa's question; I just wanted to tweak his nose in order to untie his tongue. Guess he showed me, huh? As for the answer to his quiery, my response is: "I dunno." |
Rustang
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I don't think that I've actually heard those four words strung together since the eighties.I assumed that you had picked up on what this guy (?) was trying to say.He reminds me of when one of the hippies would fill the air with words and say nothing,then another one would say slowly "Far out.That's heavy,man."when actually what had happened was that they had been sitting around smoking weed all day. |
Yvettep
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LOL! Rustang, you slay me! |
Roxie
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Maybe everyone should just gather in a circle and form a braintrust. |
Rustang
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I don't know how much I'd trust that brain. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1373
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 01:51 pm: |
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West_africa:
Your question is soooo 20th Century. You are correct in your assessment. But as long as those you seek to organize do not perceive an "us" or see these as "our problems" you are wasting your time.
This was true even before the signs came down and they said we didn't have to sit in the back of the bus. There always have been people who decided to go for themselves who did not care what happened to the rest of the African Americans or Africans as long as they got theirs, or they at least got more than the others.
Now that the signs have come down the black middle and upper classes have abandoned the lower classes. Furthermore, the members of those classes are into careerism more than civil rights. In this they are competitors and not collectivist thinkers.
The lower classes are fighting each other for limited jobs, benefits, services and or drug and gang turf. You cannot solve this problem sitting on the internet, on a literary site, hiding behind and alias and exhorting a bunch of people who are separated by distance and anonymity to achieve some vague unity. Better and tougher organizers than us have put it on the line in person and failed.
Frankly, the opinion of lots of people is if me and mine ain't infected, too bad for everybody else.
You are going to waste your time trying to get "us" together to work on "our" problems. Frankly, there's whole lots of people who would ice you on a bet and it would be the worst thing for you or a movement to try to incorporate them into it--when we speak of the COINTEL programs we forget about those of our race who willingly betrayed their own for a handful of silver.
Nation time has been tried and has failed--it never had a chance. It is family time. It is tribe time.
And, as I understand the situation in Africa, our brothers and sisters not only do not perceive themselves as Africans, but they don't even perceive themselves first as Nigerians, South African, etc. being loyal to tribe and clan first.
At least they are down with something.
Gather those of like mind around you and work for a common good. All else is doomed to fail.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 2449
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 02:31 pm: |
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Well, ChrisHayden, it's interesting to note that you are no longer mired in the 20th century. There was a time when I would inject my characteristic cynicism into the concept of black unity or the myth of blackness being monolithic, and you would often be among the first to chastise me. Needless to say, I agree with everything you just posted. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |
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Cynique:
You have me confused with someone else.
You are getting over the knee jerk desire to pick my positions apart. Soon you shall be one of my most ardent disciples. |
Cynique
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Do you recall ever agreeing with any of my negative projections about the state of black America??? |
Nels
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The so-called "African-Americans" have the intelligence to "solve". Whether or not they're capable of using (that intelligence appropriately) is probably the question that should be answered. |
Cynique
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Actually, it's not a matter of being "capable" of using their "intelligence" since these 2 words are interchangeable. It's a matter of being inspired and motivated to use their intelligence. |
Nels
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Interchangeable? I think not.
Many people are frequently "inspired" (e.g., by influence) or "motivated" (e.g., by incentive) to do something, yet they lack the capability (i.e., ability) to either quantify or qualify what's necessary to pursue their objective. |
Tonya
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Chris,
I hear what you are saying, but is this just your assessment, or, do you agree with all, some, or most of it?
P.S. You should start a new thread with that post. |
Cynique
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Are we in a semantic bind, here, Nels? In order to be capable, one has to be intelligent. And in the context of your sentence, you say that blacks need the capablity to use their intelligence; I say that if they're intelligent they already have the capability, and what they need is motivation or inspiration to put their intelligence to use. |
Nels
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Cynique --
Capability and intelligence are two different things. Capability simply means having the capacity, ability or disposition to do something. Intelligence means having the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge accompanied by the faculty of thought and reason. And no, we're not in a semantic bind, thank you. |
Cynique
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I can't believe that you don't see that your definitions of capability and intelligence support the idea that you can't have one without the other. A mentally-retarded person is only as capable as he is intelligent. What intelligence he has, determines how capable he is. We may not be in a semantic bind, but we are at an impasse. |
Nels
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Those are the formal definitions of the two words. How the words are interpreted and applied is the key.
A man is walking, supposedly headed toward the city. He approaches a fork in the road. The sign says “City - Go Right” and “Mountains - Go Left”. He is capable of taking either path by walking, but does not have the knowledge necessary to read and understand what the sign says. In frustration, he wanders off in another direction. Does he have the intelligence to turn around and go back to where he started?
A woman is walking, supposedly headed toward the mountains. She approaches a fork in the road. The sign says “City - Go Right” and “Mountains - Go Left”. She is capable of taking either path, reads the sign by applying her knowledge, and takes the left path in the road. She successfully arrives at her destination, the mountains.
A weight lifter is capable of lifting two times his body weight. Does he have the intelligence to know that if he tries lifting three times his body weight, he will injure himself?
Enough said.
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Cynique
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"How the words are interpreted and applied is the key." True. And in assessing the aspect of black initiative as it applies to solving certain problems, we were not talking about physical ability or geographical options, we were talking about mental acuity. I said that intelligent people are inherently capable and what is needed to get the show on the road is motivation. You disagreed, saying what was needed was for intelligent people to exhibit capability. We remain at an impasse. And this futile exercise in obstinance is why the black race remains divided. LOL. |
Nels
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"I said that intelligent people are inherently capable"
Intelligent people have the capacity to be capable (and of differing degrees), but not inherently, as it is the application of intelligence (capacity + knowledge) which defines capability. Capability itself is not guaranteed in any context, though it may be intrinsic in any given action.
Obviously, this conversation had outlived it's value, as it has extended beyond the original inference for which it was intended. |
Nels
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p.s., It has been extended beyond the original inference for which it was intended. |
West_africa
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Actions speak louder than words.
Action, to act, to do... clarifies.
Action resolves realities.
Action defines realities (and re-defines).
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West_africa
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On HIV/AIDS:
Do Africans or African-Americans have the intelligence, will, and determination to defeat the virus ( to defeat AIDS, which is a syndrome)?
If they do, when can we expect them to achieve it?
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Imhotep
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To me this isn't about intelligence. The underlying premise is that of wisdom and practicality. Scientist are very intelligent individuals, but do not act with wisdom when they invent and market inventions (i.e. nuclear plants) which make toxic waste that takes millions of years to biodigrate (sp?)
On to HIV/AIDS, the fact that it is a "syndrome" really means nothing. A syndrome is defined as: "a group of signs and symptoms that occur together and characterize a particular abnormality."
The initial post, IMO, is kind of misguided. For one, I don't know how much the initial poster studies, but there are plenty of African authored publications in which he speaks. To ask a question such as, "Do Africans/Americans have the intelligence..." shows me that someone themselves is lacking it on their part if they haven't already read the literature.
Secondly, obviously this person is not a historian or at least have studied any anthropological text or understands the simple dialectical laws of opposites, because one would understand that in history, there has never been a unified effort to do anything on this planet. A few like minded people get together and without apology, make things happen in the world and everyone else follows.
Let's take this country for instance; this country was founded by a gang of Frat brothers who didn't ask any damn body for their permission. They just did it and now you pay taxes because they say so. It only takes a few. So the question should be, "do you (West Africa) have the intelligence to solve ONE of Africa's problems based off of YOUR OWN FIELD AND PRIMARY RESEARCH?" If you are not part of the solution, then you are obvious in the way.
Sometimes it's not about intelligence, it's about resources. And since I haven't seen one solution from West Africa yet, nor any suggestions on funding (resources) I assume that he is not intelligent enough to solve ONE of our problems, or he doesn't have enough funds to purchase the books already written on various problem solving authors of African descent.
Shrugs.... |
West_africa
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Your assumptions are incorrect. |
Cynique
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Well, Imotep, the questions posed by West Africa were obviously intended to stimulate discussion, and in that regard he succeeded although your response was more of a lecture and than a contention. Even so, I, personally, found nothing to challenge in your post and was in fact enlightened by certain things you called to my attention. Why? Because I have great respect for the truth. Shrugs. |
Cynique
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Oops, I mean "Imhotep", not "Imotep". What the "h" was I thinkin? Imcool now..... LOL |
West_africa
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To say that the problem is solveable, there must be within their ranks is at least one person or group (or configuration of persons) fully capable of its solution, and, preferably, along more than one pathway (within a definable time frame).
Can such a person, group, or configuration be identified?
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West_africa
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Why not...? |
Cynique
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Because the people capable of making a difference, invariably become a part of the problem instead of part of the solution; something to do with ego-clashes and power struggles. |
West_africa
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More likely, almost no one has even made the attempt.
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Cynique
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I think Jesse Jackson's feelings would be hurt by that statement. Is there a problem in the world that he hasn't tried to solve by making a speech in front of a TV camera? |
West_africa
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HIV is defeatable .
Requirements:
1. Five acres of land.
2. One 30 x 30 foot building with a 20 foot ceiling
3. Three Pentium Class Gateway computers
4. Two hundred and Fifty Thousand dollars. |
West_africa
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5. And 90 days. |
Blkmalereading
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HIV is defeatable:
1) Stop sharing or exposing yourself to blood related products.
2) Stop the practice of female circumcision. Also the practice of male circumcision with shared tools, in unsanitary conditions, with unskilled hands.
3) Stop the practice of casual sex.
4) Start the practice of monogomous sex between two people who are HIV negative.
5) Practice abstinence.
6) Don't share needles with others.
7) Stay away from government/city/state/university run health clinics and studies, or private doctors who are in some way funded by either of the above mentioned.
8) Know your own status and vow to keep it negative. With proper lifestyle living and a bit of exercise couldn't hurt.
9) If all of those things are not possible, carry and use CORRECTLY EVERY TIME your own condoms, if you must be a drug head - go back to the old school, carry and clean your own 'works' or get a new needle EVERY TIME! (read and practice the suggestions that are printed in safer sex pamhlets).
9) If you are already HIV positive read the many books that are available on the subject (as already suggested, many written by people of African Descent) and live your life to rid yourself of this dis-ease, by eating correctly, living a better life (see #1-9), take your health care into your own hands, do some serious fund-raising and hustling (this could be expensive), see if you can get Earvin Johnson's ear and find out what those French doctors gave him.
None of this takes a lot of intelligence but certainly a lot of conviction and will (power). HIV like so many dis-eases that effect Black people in larger proportions than others is preventable. It's simply a matter of lifestyle choices and or changes. I forgot, teach all of the above mentioned things to your children, family members and loved ones.
If none of this works: See West Africa's suggestions above. |
West_africa
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Are you aware that the United States was once crippled by a polio epidemic?
What ended the polio epidemic?
The 1918 flu epidemic in the United States... More than 25 million -- nearly one-quarter of the the U.S. population at the time -- fell ill and 548,000 died.
What do you need in order to deal with these types of realities?
[ As an aside, Earvin Johnson is on a "protease-inhibitor" based regimen. ]
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Blkmalereading
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West Africa, I don't think that Polio nor the flu epedemic can be used to compare with HIV - other than they are viruses.
Polio - is understood to be something that is found in the throat and the stool. Probably the reason that usually only children contract Polio. The understanding of germs and this particular virus helped to develop a vaccine for it. The world in general understands that keeping things clean can help with all types of germs and bacteria that can lead to other things.
The flu epidemic that you talk about of 1918-1919, is also not a very good comparison. This particularly strain of flu has never been seen again. Again, we have learned that washing your hands, staying home when you are gravely ill can help stem the spread of these type of epidemics. Since the flu is air borne and NOT a blood virus this is not a good example.
HIV is 100% preventable. It's a blood virus. If you don't expose your blood to this virus the chances of you getting it is nil to none. Again, there are many books that have been written that claim they already have a 'cure' for HIV. There are things that people can do NOW to prevent themselves from catching HIV. I'm sure there is a vaccine that is floating around, but until it's used worldwide it's PREVENTABLE!! It doesn't fall in the same categories as the above viruses that you named.
What do YOU need in order to deal with these realities? |
West_africa
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Re: Above post by "Blkmalereading" - - -
You are wrong on a significant portion of what you state, the positive aspect of which is that, if others also have the same misunderstandings, we can clear some of these things up quickly (if there is time here).
By the way, the President of the United States had polio. Some people call him FDR. It is clear you do not know the basic facts on polio. We'll have to come back to that.
Saying that HIV is 100% preventable is like saying that getting caught in an earthquake is 100% preventable: All you have to do is live in Alaska.
We need intelligence that can and will actually SOLVE problems. We will always be free to imagine that all problems are avoidable.
What should happen NOW if the Africans or the African-Americans DO HAVE the intelligence, the will, and the determination to actually SOLVE this problem ? What should be the first step ?
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Blkmalereading
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West Africa, you are an expert at talking in circles.
What in the world does the fact that FDR had polio have to do with anything? The only thing I can come up with (since you always have to GUESS at what you're talking about) is that you're hinting that the virus didn't manifest itself until he was in his late 30s. If you read my statement I said that USUALLY polio is contracted in younger children. Polio like so many other viruses (including HIV) can be in your body for many years before the effects take place. Some people NEVER show the symtoms of certain viruses. Something that science is still trying to understand. Just like the flu epidemic that you mentioned, it's thought that the virus was IN people for many years before it became an epidemic.
Now you are comparing HIV to an earthquake. You can certainly reduce your risk of being trapped in an earthquake if you move to an area that is less earthquake prone. That's a fact. Just like it's a fact (so far, anyway) that IF you DON'T expose your blood to the HIV virus the chances of you getting it is nil to none. That is a fact!!
If you have other information that is not far fetched as comparing catching HIV to being in an earthquake, then state it!
There is not ONE case of HIV being contracted if not exposed to some of the issues that I've stated in my prior post. NOT ONE!! HIV is NOT an air borne virus, it's a BLOOD virus. Your blood is inside your body, unless your blood is somehow exposed to the HIV virus you can't get HIV. That is a fact!! If I'm wrong, show me the data. All the talking around in a circle doesn't SOLVE anything or make you correct. Introduce me to ONE person who has contacted HIV by NOT having their blood exposed in someway? I've talked to many, and they ALL have been blood related. Drug users who shared needles, people who have had unprotected sex, earlier folks who got blood transfusions before they realized this is a BLOOD related virus.
You've already named the first steps and solved the problem...
I just added my 2 cents to the debate and let people know that HIV is a preventable virus. That you can take steps to totally avoid it or cut your risk of getting it.
Africans Americans HAVE the intelligence to do this NOW, the issue is do they have the will (power) to do what it takes to solve it. The MISINFORMATION in the African community worldwide is the reason that HIV and AIDS is killing Africans around he world in larger numbers than any other group in the world.
Maybe, you can continue to explain your concept of a building, a few computers and 250,000. IF you have a solution to HIV with just those things, put it out there. I'm particularly curious to know. But I think I gave CONCRETE and realistic solutions that each and every person can do to NOT catch this virus and they can do those things TODAY, NOW!
I need to go back into lurk mode!
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Kola_boof
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Blackmalereading:
I need to go back into lurk mode!
KOLA:
No you don't. You've provided us with very valuable information and we need more men here.
Please don't go.
This person West_Africa is a prank.
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West_africa
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Maybe "Kola_boof" is a prank, a very BIG prank.
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West_africa
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Here's another perspective for you:
You can definitely avoid tetnus by not stepping on nails. Unfortunately, there are boards with rusty nails in them all over the world.
If a person were to accidently step on a nail, it is much more likely that that person will go to a hospital than that they will run to some dance studio to hear a lecture on how to walk through the world like a ballerina.
"Solve for HIV" means use intelligence to configure resources to defeat the virus.
This is not a game of semantics. Concrete achievement requires concrete thought and analysis.
The comments about polio are imprecise and misleading, the comments about the flu are imprecise and partially incorrect, and the comments about HIV are constructive but really based on hindsight deductions.
Hindsight presents itself as genius, but the price of its presentation is many lives lost.
Applied intelligence --- apply your mind to the REALITY. Defeat of the virus is the challenge.
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 288
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:31 am: |
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Blackreader???
Please explain/direct me to some info that explains this:
7) Stay away from government/city/state/university run health clinics and studies, or private doctors who are in some way funded by either of the above mentioned.
I have the resources to afford a private doctor, but I have a good relationship with my current physician who works for a health clinic. So please explain.
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2524
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 02:43 pm: |
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Interesting side light: For centuries, the venereal disease Syphilis was the scourage of the world, but it is now a minor STD thanks to pencillin, a medicine that serendipity played a role in discovering. One of the greatest wonder drugs in medical history was stumbled upon by accident when some molds grew in an unexpected place and cured what they were growing on. Which brings us to the possibility that the cure for AIDS may already exist but is being used to treat some unrelated affliction. |
Blkmalereading
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Username: Blkmalereading
Post Number: 60
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 06:24 pm: |
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Tonya:
I noticed both and you and Kola, politely ignored my post dealing with colorism. LOL! But I'll answer your question.
Some healt care activist believe, suspect or don't totally trust the type of programs that I mentioned. A lot of low income people and students are encouraged (with money) to take part in different studies. Tuskeegee 626 is often sited as a reason to NOT trust these type of programs. I was just adding that as another solution - it's probably radical thought. But I think that everyone should be proactive in their health care. Mamy people just 'go along' with whatever medicines and suggestions that a doctor may give them without looking into the effects themselves. It's more of a warning to just be safe with dealing with your health care.
Kola: I meant that I need to go into lurk mode as it pertains to answering or even reading any post by this West Africa person. When something sparks my attention I will pipe in as I've always done.
This West African person just runs me crazy!! I don't know why I continue to try to dialog with him or make sense of most of his post. Now he's comparing contracting HIV to stepping on a rusty nail!! Jesus!! You talk about bad analogies and misinformation. He just tells people that they are wrong, without backing up his thought pattern with anything other than continued psycho babble. GEESH!!
I have no idea why I didn't take heed when Rustang wrote that he is just like those hippies who would stand around and fill the air with all kind of words, talking a lot, sounding intelligent but really not saying anything and you would shortly realize this person is stoned out of their mind!!
Cynique you are correct. I have suggested and many books and practitioners claim that they ALREADY have some cure for HIV. HIV as with anything else is riddled with politics and money!! So I was just suggesting that UNTIL there is a vaccine or cure - there are certain things that can be done TODAY, by EVERYONE to reduce the risk and numbers of people who are catching this disease.
I have no idea where in the world West Africa is walking, where he runs into rusty nails. I can't recall in all of my years of living that I had a worry of stepping on a rusty nail. I would suggest staying out of crack houses and other abandoned buildings. That would instantly solve that problem.
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West_africa
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Username: West_africa
Post Number: 82
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 04:36 pm: |
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There is no question that some people understood the two analogies, but here is a more direct translation for you, "Blkmalereading" :
Solving a problem and avoiding a problem are two completely different things.
If you avoid rusty nails, you will lower your chances of contracting tetanus, but you have not solved for "tetanus". There are actual solutions for tetanus. Solving for tetanus takes far more powerful intelligence, and allows everyone to live more securely.
Obviously, then, not contracting HIV, regardless of the reason, is not the same as solving for HIV.
You must certainly have seen the point.
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West_africa
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Username: West_africa
Post Number: 83
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 08:34 pm: |
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The amount of intelligence necessary to solve for HIV is, at most, a high school education.
This can be proven.
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2548
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 02:03 pm: |
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West Africa! How can you prove how much intelligence it takes to find a cure for HIV until we test the intelligence of whoever it is that comes up with the cure. Tell us what you base your conclusion on. |
West_africa
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Username: West_africa
Post Number: 91
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 12:19 pm: |
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"... intelligence, will, and determination..." |
West_africa
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Username: West_africa
Post Number: 98
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 03:26 pm: |
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Time for action. |
West_africa
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: West_africa
Post Number: 108
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 02:28 pm: |
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...a high school education. |
West_africa
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: West_africa
Post Number: 113
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 06:43 pm: |
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Prove it's not true. |
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