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     Yvettep "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Yvettep Post Number: 652 Registered: 01-2005 Rating: N/A |
It's a sad day for fans of Comedy Central's wildly popular "Chappelle's Show." The New York Post reports that the series, which has been on indefinite hold since its star and creator, Dave Chappelle, abruptly left for South Africa in April, is unlikely to ever resume production. Charlie Murphy, brother of Eddie and a close collaborator of Chappelle's, tells the paper, "I don't think Dave is going to do anymore ... We shot about eight shows for the third season, and they're hilarious. They'll be released on DVD, I'm sure. But that's it." What about the higher-ups at Comedy Central? They haven't a clue. Comedy Central's president, Doug Herzog, told reporters recently, "The ball's in Dave's court. If you see him, tell him to phone home" http://www.salon.com/ent/col/fix/2005/08/03/aug3/ | ||
| Libralind2 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Libralind2 Post Number: 179 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Whew...walking away from 50 Mill.."my man". LiLi | ||
| Nels Newbie Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Personally, I think Dave "left the building" two days after he was born, if you know what I mean. No pun intended. | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 39 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
I agree Nels. Tonya | ||
| Roxie Veteran Poster Username: Roxie Post Number: 75 Registered: 06-2005 Rating: N/A |
Nels: "....if you know what I mean...." I don't. seriously, I don't. Please elaborate. | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Roxie, I did't know what he meant either, but I figured he was saying something negative so that's why agreed. Dave Chappelle offended the hell out of me with the firt season of the "Chappelle Show". I thought he was way to hard on black folks. The second season was o.k. and his Rick James performance almost made me piss my pants. He should stick to what he did during that season. He is a funny guy, but I don't think he is comfortable in his skin. That is probably why he decided to go sambo on us like he did. He took us back to the days of Jim Crow. So eventhough I don't know what Nels was saying, I agree with him because it sounds negative, which is how I feel about Chappelle's sambo performances. Tonya | ||
| Nels Newbie Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Roxie -- Chappelle hasn't been "all there" during his entire career. He's the only one who really knows where his head is, at least one would think so. He has never come across as confident, and seems to have based his entire professional routine on doubt, insecurity and ineffectiveness. His treatment of race and culture is irrelevant. It's how he manages the perceptions of others that has either merit or cause for concern. Basically, he offers no meaningful agenda to promote his ideology, and is resigned to isolating people's shortcomings and vulnerabilities to get ahead. Sad and pathetic, I would say. | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 41 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Nels, I agree with virtually all you've said, but a black man's treatment of his culture and race is NEVER irrelevant. We're all in this together whether he likes it or not. If there comes a time when this is no longer the case, he is free to do what he likes regarding culture and race. I don't think You and I see this the same way, so I'm not expecting a response from you. Tonya | ||
| Nels Newbie Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Tonya -- Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. When race and culture are used outside of their intrinsic contexts - e.g., in his case, as "crutches", then as far as I'm concerned, his treatment of them is still irrelevant as is he himself. | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 42 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
I respect your opinion Nels. Tonya | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1360 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Y'all don't get it, do you? The man's life was probably hell. What would it have to be to get you to walk from 50 million. He could walk or he could be dead. You folks think Showbiz is wonderful, don't you? Look at Whitney Houston and Lauryn Hill. This is what it does to successful people! | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 44 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
I wasn't refering to his choices concerning showbiz. My point was about his choices regarding race and culture. We all have those decisions to make. Some of us do it with a little more dignity than others. btw, If I were in his shoes, I would've walked away from the 50 million too, trust me. | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Also Chris, I don't understand what you meant about Lauryn Hill. How is she like Whitney Houston? Do you mean she's the opposite? Are you saying that since she decided to "keep it real" she's no longer successful. I really don't know because I don't follow R&B/hiphop culture that much. Tonya | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2386 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Don't talk about Lauryn Hill, Chris. You KNOW that's - um, Kola's girl! LOL | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Hello Chrishayden -- Well. Pleasure meeting you. I've worked for Time Warner Corporation, Times Mirror Corporation, Paramount Pictures, Warner Bros. Studios, WEA Records, various other entertainment companies - and I also screen write and build world-class digital entertainment content and products. Additionally, I know a who's who of people in the entertainment industry from screen acting and television to music of virtually all genres. Plus, my attorneys represent many on Hollywood's A-list - black, white and other. I've got an in-depth knowledge of entertainment production from stage, film, TV, DTS and more. "Showbiz" as you say? Well, Showbiz can be “wonderful” and it can also be cutthroat. So, since you've insinuated that we (maybe or maybe not including myself) think Showbiz is one thing and it may actually be the other, why don't you enlighten us as to what you know about Showbiz? We’re all ears. | ||
| Tonya Regular Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 49 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
OOOOOOOOhhhSSSSSHITTTT!!!!!! I wouldn't take that daddy!!!!!! Tonya | ||
| Libralind2 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Libralind2 Post Number: 180 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
LiLi getting popcorn... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2387 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Settle in for a wait cuz Chris doesn't make this scene on a daily basis. Of course he'll probably show up momentarily just to have the thrill of proving me wrong. heh-heh. | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 28 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
BTW Tonya... In reality, who Chris Hayden is - is not a secret, nor is it an issue. However, one thing is certain; keep your friends close, and keep your enemies closer. Elvis has "NOT" left the building. | ||
| Tonya Veteran Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Nels, I wish I knew what you were talking about because it sounds real serious. I don't wanna start no shit, but I really want to know what you meant. You know what, don't tell me, um just gone sit back and watch. Tonya | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 3904 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Well DAYAM, ChrisH. Whatchu dun dun to this new Nels person to get her-him all fired up atchu? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 3905 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels, I agree Chappelle has some artistic shortcomings. But I find your criticism of him to be especially harsh, not necessarily inaccurate, (because you've yet to provide reasons/support for your views of him) but harsh. Care to contrast Chappelle's work and persona with those of some of his famous contemporaries, such as, say, Martin Lawrence, Chris Rock, D.L. Hugley, Steve Harvey, Bernie Mack or any other comedians/comediennes whose talents you appreciate more? | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: |
Abm -- Brief Opinions Only?: No Dissertation Necessary Not a qualifying perspective, just a routine observation…in answer to - - - Martin Lawrence – Approximately 74 key credits for TV, film, radio, etc. Fairly predictable, but unimpressive, and certainly not a heavyweight. He appears to be saddled with the dreaded buffoon syndrome, and outside of the “black” community, he’s not taken very seriously for his craft. If black audiences suddenly disappeared, he’d be pushing a Volks instead of a Rolls. He had some highly publicized mental and speculated drug problems in 1996, and was accused of sexually harassing his “Martin” co-star Tisha Campbell in the same year; Not a factoid. Chris Rock – Has an impressive array of approximately 168 major credits for TV, film, radio, appearances, etc., but he still can’t get past a dialogue diet of Motherfucker, Bullshit, Nigger and Fuck You; uh, no – Fuck It. On stage, his material still reeks of the defining characteristic of crass black entertainment and social irreverence – race, color, discrimination, excuses, etc. Adversely, he’s very intellectual, and knows better. Reductions… D.L. Hugley – His current late night show “Weekends at the DL” (e.g., A subtle reincarnation of the Chappelle fiasco - sans common sense) comes on at 11:00 pm (depending), when much of his viewer demographic is headed out into the streets for a late night shake-a-leg, clandestine screw, Mary-Jane Fest, or more. One-dimensional. Not even on the radar. Figures he might as well drink and smoke on the set since they cut his ad nauseam per diems. Squandered his potential when he couldn’t figure out what his passion was. Next! Steve Harvey – Got fired from his last LA radio gig. That departure was blamed on creative differences. If you can get past the lips and the suit, his crossover appeal might spur a new show: “Steve Harvey - On the 15th and the 31st.” “Oh wud I wouldn’t do fo some mo ‘gubment’ cheese.” Professes to be serious, but is likely routinely “dissed” at almost every turn including the deal level (i.e., the movers and the shakers). Peer recognition and acceptance go beyond the ability to be an on-call emcee. Post Mortem: He should have left Cedric The Entertainer at the bus stop. Next! Bernie Mack – Though he’s used the race factor many times in the past and still does, he seems quite comfortable in his own skin, and has managed to disengage himself from the connotative “bug eye” baggage when necessary. He actually has the potential to rival the late great Robin Harris; that’s if he doesn’t get bogged down in being cross-cast as “The Average Black Man” in America’s mind. ….. Survivors? Yes. Well off? A matter of interpretation. Contemporaries? In your dreams. p.s., Chappelle’s actions speak louder than his words. He’s “hung up” on virtually every negative black stereotype. Didn’t the Sun rise this morning? | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1363 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels: Tell you one other thing I don't know. One big thing which has left me unable to continue in this conversation. One thing you do know about me. You know my real name. What's yours? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2407 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels, I'm impressed. As an amateur show biz buff I couldn't agee with you more. It's interesting to see how my observations parallel those of a professional like you. (And yes, I'm suckin up to you. LOL) | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 1367 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: Is ya gon' fix ya gon' fix him some flapjacks wit some o' dat sho' is fine Maple surp too, gal? Does ya know 'bout burfin' dem babies? Haw haw! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 3910 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels, Thanks for your comments. I pretty much concur with your assessments of today's most famed Black comedians (though I wish you had commented on Cedric the Entertainer). Lawrence: Has Richard Pryor's pathos WITHOUT his insight and maturity. But will freely share the depth and variety of his emotions. Could probably be a fine actor if he tried. Rock: Current, brave, insightful and he deals it pretty even, no matter the race, color or gender. He's a bit trapped between being, as you said, a very intelligent and studied man and fearing becoming estranged from his core 'ghetto' Black audience. And he's a better stand-up comedian than actor (tends to go off on cumbersome stand-up comedy bits in movies). Hugley: His fame/success has outstretched the boundaries of his talents. You hardly remember a single thing he's done 2 minutes after he's done it. Harvey: Often comes off as wanting to be more cool than funny. And his repetoire a bit thin and dated. Mack: Great presence and potential (though I think the Robin Harris comparison's a STRETCH). I fear the current lovefest he's receiving from White foks (ala the Mat Damons and George Clooneys of the biz) will do him in. However, I'm not sure what the following comments/statements mean: @ Brief Opinions Only?: No Dissertation Necessary @ Not a qualifying perspective, just a routine observation…in answer to - - - @ He should have left Cedric The Entertainer at the bus stop. Next! @ Survivors? Yes. @ Well off? A matter of interpretation. @ Contemporaries? In your dreams. @ Didn’t the Sun rise this morning? If you care to explain them, I'd feel much obliged. Lastly, whom would you consider to be the finest American comedians/comediennes EVER, Black, White and Other? And what about them that set them above everyone else? | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Chrishayden -- Your reply is quite welcome. Obviously, you "volunteered" your real name long before I dropped in on the scene. Oh, the magic of the web. No disrespect intended. “Success is not about having a level playing field; it’s how far you hit the ball that counts.” | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 369 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Chris Hayden...is a published novelist, Nels. People know more than his real name. His face is on his work. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 2414 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I fail to get the gist of your digs, Chris. Fill us in on your intent. Take all the space you need. | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Kola_boof -- As I've mentioned before, I'm well aware of who Chris Hayden is; thank you very much. | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Abm -- I haven't forgotten you. It's been a busy day. | ||
| Nels Regular Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 34 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Abm -- @ Brief Opinions Only?: No Dissertation Necessary - Trying to keep this response to a minimum. @ Not a qualifying perspective, just a routine observation…in answer to - - - - A reflection of what has been observed, not what someone thinks is happening. @ He should have left Cedric The Entertainer at the bus stop. Next - Know when to loose the dead weight. Cedric never found “the building”. @ Survivors? Yes. - Have braved a tough and scrutinizing industry. @ Well off? A matter of interpretation. - If they’ve squandered their wealth, we’ll eventually find out. @ Contemporaries? In your dreams. - Their shtick is not innovative. It’s predictable. @ Didn’t the sun rise this morning? - If they can get off the negativity baseline in their dialogues for a change, then there might be some light at the end of the tunnel. I.e., forward progress beyond stereotyping. @ “Lastly, whom would you consider to be the finest American comedians/comediennes EVER, Black, White and Other? And what about them that set them above everyone else?” - This one’s going to take a while.  | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 3940 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels, Thanks for the clarifications. And I expect to enjoy reading about whom you consider to be the finest American comedians/comediennes. |
