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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2315
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 12:27 pm: | 
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Underlying almost every topic discussed on these boards is the inference of RACE. Undoubtedly because the question of race impacts on every aspect of black life, always inspiring dissent and controversy. I am motivated to pursue this issue because the older I get, the more vexed I become, wondering why members of the Negroid racial stock are, and always have been, so universally despised and rejected by all the other species of Homo Sapiens!! With the exception of male teen-aged Rap fans who soon outgrow their rebelliousness, and certain white females who have an appetite for black studs, peoples of the Caucasoid and Mongoloid stocks invariably look down on those from the Negroid stock, and either covertly or overtly practice racist behavior against them. Not only that, these others groups balk at the idea of even being associated with anything black, the reason for this apparently being that to be black is to be deemed inferior and relegated to the bottom of the totem pole.(Unless, of course, you are an entertainer or a sports jock, in which case you are given a lot of attention but very little clout.) And adding insult to injury, blacks even accuse each other of not wanting to be black. When it comes to America in particular, being black gives rise to a culture of intra-racial conflict which spawns the "dissin" syndrome. Dark-skinned blacks dis-trust light-skinned blacks. Light-skinned blacks dis-courage dark-skinned blacks. Upper-class blacks dis-own lower-class blacks and lower-class blacks dis-miss upper-class blacks. Worst, of all, in an ongoing battle of the sexes, black men are accused of dis-regarding black women, and black women are accused of dis-respecting black men. To be black in America is also about being in turmoil, about being wary, disgruntled, and on the defensive - about being frustrated because any person not wary, disgruntled and on the defense conjures up the contemptible image of a contented grinning "oreo", satisfied with the status quo. All of which, in the final analysis, would seem to make being black a now-win situation. With the fall of the African dynasties, the black races toppled from grace and from that time on, blacks the world over have become big losers in the game of power and prestige. Why? Is the black race cursed??? Did Oprah suck up all of our just desserts? I pose this question in anticipation of another point of view. |
Snakegirl
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Girl, you said it ALL.
I often feel totally hopeless and "responsible"--as though I must do something or I can't breathe.
I use the no-win frustration you talked about to prop up my novels with some kind of reflection on it.
But you said it all. There's no peace in being black once you get out of bed.
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Sisg
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Post Number: 193
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Someone sent me a poem once and it talked about much of the same....but the ending said something like, but we are made from the dark, rich,earth, that which gives life to everything, and we are made in his image. Of course I'm paraphasing, but this statement made me feel good. It is not often that one being black in color, or being born black that we can go a day, an hour, a moment without being reminded, taunted, about our race, or our color. Living black is no bed of roses, and yes we are despised, hated, shamed by those of color, and not, but sometimes I think it is more because of their envy than of anything. WE have sustained much, for so long a strong tribe of people, whose determination is never failing, faith ever growing. It is our strength, our souls they desire, and the only way to make themselves look better, is to lower our status. If we are not the original people, the children of GOD, the blessed, the lost tribe, then why do they hate so? And why are they so afraid of the truth? |
Abm
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Post Number: 3862
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 02:30 pm: |
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Sisg,
Thanks. And I agree with you.
I love and am proud of being Black and I embrace EVERYTHING about my color and heritage; good, bad and indifferent.
Show me another race of people (save, PERHAPS, the Jew) who've survived and PROSPERED amid what we have endured. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2316
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 03:10 pm: |
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OK. The next time somebody starts ranting and raving about the injustices of racism, I'll tell them to chill out, and remind them that it's a burden strong prosperous blacks just have to keep on bearing because others fear and envy us. (Is burden the same as "curse?" ) |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1303
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 11:27 am: |
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Cynique:
Ain't nothing gonna change in our lifetimes. It is a burden, a curse, a blessing, a hindrance, an obstacle, an inspiration--what you make of it.
I was just thinking this morning that without racism Malcolm Little might have just been a common thief all his life and Martin Luther King might have been a fat southern preacher.
If it is any consolation, if you are Korean in Japan, or a Hmong in Vietnam, or a Catholic in Northern Ireland, or a minority in any country in the world you are getting a lot of the same thing. Remind me to tell you about the war to extermination in the South Pacific between two peoples who were distinguished only by the lengths of their earlobes. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2317
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 12:39 pm: |
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It's not about environment, Chris. It's about perception. Everyone but a negroid person can transplant himself in different surroundings and pass himself off as something else. I'm not in denial, or looking to be consoled by rationales that fly in the face of reality. I am, however, becoming philosophical. What can I say? You just have to play the hand you're dealt. |
Libralind2
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Post Number: 169
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:53 am: |
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Cynique: what a great topic. Do you mind if I post your comments on another group Im on for discussion..?
LiLi |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2318
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 02:11 pm: |
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No, I don't mind. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1305
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:00 am: |
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Cynique:
A "Negroid"-(I hesitate to use this term. It sounds like a variety of cancer)--means nothing in Africa where everybody is Negroid--of course there what determines whether you get the short end of the stick or not is what tribe you belong to.
And it is not so easy for a person who is obviously Jewish--big nose, kinky hair, etc--to pass himself off. And can a white person in Africa or a Chinese pass themselves off as African?
It is all a matter of chance and birth--but let me ask you--who makes being a Black or African or African American such a burden? Aren't we letting somebody off the hook here? |
Abm
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Post Number: 3878
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Chris,
I don't quite get the notion of bearing some "Black" burden. I agree we have unique problems and issues to face. But I don't go throughout my life feeling especially encumbered.
I guess I feel that way because I genuinely believe that WE can remedy most of our ills and ameliorate our circumstances IF we're willing to adopt certain beliefs/practices.
If I am troubled about anything about being Black it is NOT because of the villains outside of us. I think our archenemy lies within. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:19 pm: |
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Chris, you are missing the point. In the first place, nowadays, Jews have no reason to try and pass as something else; In spite of anti-semitism, Jews wield power and influence everywhere. But most of them could pass for something else if they wanted to. They used to do it all the time by simply changing their last name. And who would question whether a Korean was really a Japanese or a Pakistani really an Indian; Asians get automatic props, and are actually overrated. Or would it matter to an outsider whether an Irishman was Catholic or Protestant. He's white and that's his ticket to anyplace - except maybe among African tribes, where he probably wouldn't want to go anyway. But a person from the Negroid stock is what he is and, as such, in a random environment, is instantly in jeopardy of being discriminated against because all other groups consider themselves above blacks. (Was it a Freudian slip when you remarked that the antropological designation of "negroid" makes you think of cancer??) |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 610
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Not to speak for Chris, but I don't think his slip was showing--probably the -oid suffix: I think the same thing about "caucasoid" or even "freakazoid" LOL! |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 611
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Cynique, can you say more about what you meant when you asked this:
Did Oprah suck up all of our just desserts? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2320
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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I hear ya, Yvette. I just wanted to tweak Chris' nose. As for Oprah, it just seems like all the positive things black folks had coming to them, went only to Oprah. But of course, her Hermes episode kinda says it all. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 612
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:53 pm: |
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all the positive things black folks had coming to them, went only to Oprah
Oh, I see. LOL! And all she had to give up was a silk scarf or ten! LOL |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1306
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Cynique:
There are still plenty of places in this country Jews are not welcome. Some times we are so wrapped up in our own "suffering" we think everybody got it good but us. I remember talking to a Jew whose prospective mother in law squelched his marriage to her gentile daughter--open your eyes and look around.
Furthermore, Jews were expelled from Iraq, Egypt, Libya and many other countries after 1948--I can't believe you don't know this. Plus it aint so grand being a Jew in Russia or the Ukraine today where neo nazi movements are rising.
Is it me or is it her? It's her isn't it?
You live in Mayberry, you don't live in Japan where the Korean is looked on as dirt. I heard a Japanese woman tell a joke, she told her father she was going to marry a black man. He objected. She said, OK, I'll marry a Korean.
He said Marry the black guy.
It ain't a Freudian slip on my part you using Negroid--I don't use terms put on me by the slavemaster, but I guess you missed the last 50 years.
In addition to the fact that you don't want to acknowlege, which is wherever you are in the world somebody is the doormat and getting crapped on and this has been our lot in this great country you are missing this thing--
All these people who think these things about us are lousy subhuman scum. I have no love for those human hyenas. You seem to not want to get this fact--seems to me you either want to excuse them or agree with them.
Get your mind right, sister. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:15 pm: |
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I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THE HARDSHIPS ALL THE OTHER RACIAL ETHNICS HAVE GONE THROUGH AND ARE GOING THROUGH! No matter what their station in life is, all other groups still think they are better than black folks, including hill-billies and Mexicans. That's the rub! |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:21 pm: |
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So what the hell can you do about what somebody else thinks? Why are you tripping over this? What somebody somewhere else think they better than me Boohooohooo! Whatchoo gonna do about it? Why don't you go up and punch one of these people in the mouth? Talk about they mama? Key their car or flatten their tires?
Jeez. I told you what kind of people these are--now how you gonna stop somebody from being a human hyena? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:27 pm: |
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Furthermore, people like you are the first to complain about all the injustices that accrue to black folks. You're constantly bitching about what others do to us and how they get away with it. So take your tired old Mayberry schtik and eat it. Do you know how incredibly naive you sound for a 53 year old who lives in the bucket of blood known as St. Louis??? |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1308
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:42 pm: |
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I'm 55, thank you and St. Louis is not only a bucket of blood, its a godforsaken hellhole--a guy I know died last week and went to hell and this morning he came back for his overcoat--but I'd rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven!
You need to get it together, chile! These white folks (and apparently not just them but the Asians and the Latinos--can you beat that) done whipped you down.
Read some Malcolm X! Read some Fannie Lou Hamer! Read some Sojouner Truth!
Up you mighty black race!
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:53 pm: |
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Oh shut up. I said in an earlier post that I ain't really sweatin all of this and that I will continue to play the hand I've been dealt. But I haven't changed my mind about how, in the world at large, being black is a disadvantage. That is my observation, but if being in denial is your means of coping then keep those blinders on, sonny boy. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 02:14 pm: |
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Hemmerhoid, Voidoid, Fungoid,
Ya can't handle the truth, baby! |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 02:36 pm: |
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When you start speaking the truth, I'll start handling it. |
Anunaki3600
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Cynique: The little that I know from what I have read is that up-to the 1600's Blacks had no major problems traveling and doing business around the world. Relations were looked at as between "man to man" when doing business dealings. Blacks were not robbed off their wealth when they were in non-black areas. With the start of the reformation among the christian churches, i.e Martin Luther and other movements, they (non-blacks) started using Christianity to undermine the Black race by selecting verses from the Bible claiming that Blacks were cursed (i.e. Noah's time) and other foolish stories. They did this in-order to stop fair trade between races and make primitive accumilation (looting) of wealth acceptable among White Christians. This was used to justify slavery, colonialism, etc among them. Africa was wealthier then europe during this period and had a greater advantage over europe in trade due to the vast natural wealth in Africa and had more skills developed in Iron works, clothing industry, shipping, etc. Once Slavery took hold in the America's, Christians could only justify slavery by claiming the Black race to be inferior and the "medical community" (i.e. doctors) were the biggest proponents who published articles after articles in the medical journals justifying their backward theories. Sadly, it got into the minds and souls of mostly ignorant Whites in the U.S. and it was in the interest of poor whites to keep this alive for their economic interests. Since race relations really went to the "dogs" in the U.S., it is only in the U.S. that the Black community can for once and all smash the ideology of White superamacy. My two cents. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 12:37 pm: |
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Your input on this subject is quite pertinent, Anunaki3600, especially in regard Christianity's role in the ascendency of the white supremacy myth. As I noted in my comments, after the African dynasties toppled, the black races fell from "grace" which is to say that Christianity devalued them and those of other persuasions apparently bought into this idea. Do you have a theory as to why Europeans were able to colonize so much of Africa and exert control over these countries, creating a situation where the black majority was controlled and exploited by the white minority? The fact that this happened is what makes me wonder why blacks were doomed to this fate, the after effects of which prevail today on the continent. Of course India was also colonized by Europe and is also in dire straits today, but even these people think they're better than blacks; especially the ones who settle in this country. One of the first words immigrants who come to America learn is "nigger" so the negativity toward blacks is alive and well. |
Chrishayden
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Cynique:
All the years I have been dropping Science on you and we have to keep going over the same ground over and over again.
White people were able to colonize Africa because their military technology was superior--this effort primarily took place in the 19th centurty--they had cannons, rifles, gatling guns, gunboats and battleships and factories that produced same. The only such weapons available to Africans they got from Europeans. They had no ammunition factories. They had no armaments industries.
Small numbers of Europeans armed with modern weapons were able to slaughter larger numbers of indigenous warriors--the battles of Omdurman and Roarke's Drift as examples.
Additionally, the Africans had a tribal structure. As Caesar was able to do to the ancient Gauls and Germans, he could set one tribe against the other.
What is so difficult about this? I know. You want some genetic and moral reason. You are in a self loathing mode this week aren't you?
OK, I will gratify your need to be flayed.
Cynique, you are a Negroid (fungoid, voidoid, rhomboid) and you are bad and evil and dumb and a doody head.
Didn't that feel good? |
Cynique
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Winners are winners, Chris. And losers are losers. No matter how you slice it or dice it, or what you attribute it to. Whoever ends up on top has defeated those on the bottom. And those on the bottom are subjected to contempt and rejection. Now, I realize that this is impossible for you to digest. But, chin up, in America it is easy to take this in one's stride. Which is what I do. I am not sitting around crying about the situation because that ain't my approach to life. I observed the dilemma of being black and have have moreorless shrugged my shoulders. I notice, however, a good ol Chrisitian boy like you has apparently absolved this hypocritical cult of its culpability in this matter. You're too busy trying to make excuses. Too busy trying to blur reality. Too busy being mired in your own bull shit. |
Chrishayden
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Cyanide:
There is no dilemma to being black. It is a wonderful thing and a blessing from God. Just think--if you weren't black you would be just another bored Oprah fanatic, rotting away and drooling in front of her tv screen.
Instead you are out seeking Truth and Righteousness here at AALBC.
Ain't it Cool? |
Abm
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Chris,
<bowing&saluting> |
Cynique
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Gee, Chris, you sound like a grinning oreo, satisfied with the status quo - a house nigga who is thankful for the crumbs from the mastah's table. I assume you and abm have finally realized that it doesn't do any good to complain about situations that you can't change. |
Cynique
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And, oh yeah, the next time you say your prayers, Chris, give thanks for all of the black men who have been lynched and all the black children who have been blown to bits and all the discrimination and prejudice that come with racism - all of the famine and poverty and disease that are devastating Africa. What gifts these are! |
Chrishayden
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Snoop:
Wooooo! You hauled out the big guns. A little more African American than we usually are, huh?
You sound like you had a "Black" moment--probably went downtown and they wouldn't serve you at the counter--again. Dogonnit!
Well, it was none too soon.
Welcome back home, sistah! |
Cynique
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Sarcasm in lieu of a rebuttal will get you nowhere, Christopher Robin. Now take your finger out of your ass so you can speak up for yourself. |
Cynique
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That pillar of steadfastness Chris Hey-din says:
"saw "Soul Plane" this weekend. I had a totally unexpected reaction.
I was amused and repelled. Why is it this kind of stuff is funny when it is one of those straight to DVD, in the hood on a hand held camera movies and not funny when it is a big production?
Basically they were doing a Black version of "Airplane". I tried to disable my Black Militant filter, but it kept saying, yea this is what white folks think if Black people actually got an airline."
While abm grovels over Chris' eloquent confession of confusion, Cynique chuckles and responds:
Sounds like the forked-tongue Mr. Chris Hey-din, is in the throes of - dare I say it - a "dilemma" of being black.
LMAO
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Anunaki3600
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It is ONLY the Black race that has given up totally on their religions and cultures and adopted a european one. Chinese, Indians, Japenese, Korean still practice their ancient religions and have kept their cultures intact thus being able to develope themselves. Culture and religion are the foundations on which a strong Society (house) is built. Blacks can only be poor immitations of europeans no matter how hard they try. A dog can live among cats and can even try to meow like a cat, but once trouble approaches, the cats will climb a tree leaving the dog on the ground helpless. |
Chrishayden
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Cynique:
You are the biggest Uncle Tom on the Internet, bar none. If you go over to Wikepedia and look under Uncle Tom they got your picture--or is that Daffy Duck?
Anunaki3600:
II don't think you can say that a people who have been involuntarily converted have given up thie religions and cultures. You didn't have no choice when they banned the dances and took away the drums and told you you had to worhsip Jesus. It was that or die.
I think you need to learn something about the history of Africans in America. |
Chrishayden
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Cynique:
You are four days older than dirt. You so old when you fart dust comes out. Your head is so big you have to go outside to change your mind. You so ugly if you run into somebody in a dark alley they will fire on you and swear it was a bear. You look like you been whopped with an ugly stick. |
Cynique
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Wassa matta lil Chris? Did you get your feelins hurt cuz you ran out of answers to the hard questions, leaving with you no choice but to play the Uncle Tom card and resort to what you hope are insults. Not! Your words are those of a desperate man, one who has run out of shit to grunt, one who is suffering from diahrrea of the mouth which is why brown spittle is probably running down your triple chins. You're pathetic. And you stink. EW. |
Roxie
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Chris,
Get a grip.YOU are NOT the authority on all things black so stoptrying to convince everyone of your world view, and for god's sake stop insulting everyone, especially Cynnique.? It's cowardly and immature. Learn to accept peoples opinions and agree to disagree. God!
Cynnique,
I've made the same points on kola's thtread several times. In this country , a non-black can pee in public, commit incest, and even murder 100 people and STILL convince him/herself that he/she is more supierior than the wealthiest, classiest and most ethical of black people.
Abm,
don't get me started on jews (the american ones). They love to pretend to bond with us on a shared struggle,but mention that your people had their own "holocaust" and they start on a lecture on how THEIRS was a "true holocaust". And many of them (even my friend) don't even bother to pick up a book, let alone make any kind of attempt to learn about our culture and history. I'm not anti-semetic, but I know hipocrasy when it's in front of me. |
Libralind2
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Username: Libralind2
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Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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Being the new kid on the block and one who is always in search of the "truth" Im curious. Why do wonderful threads on this board digress into name calling among like thinkers. Cause that is what you folks are though you express your various views a TAD bit different.
LiLi running really fast to a corna..better yet behing ABM
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Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 621
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LiLi, don't hide behind ABM--This is cyberspace, girl, all smoke and mirrors (or zeros and ones...), so don't seek protection from a moniker ona discussion board! LOL
Having said that, here's my 2 cents:
Are there truly any "dilemmas" about being Black (or Jewish, or "White" or anything else)? As humans, we are mortal beings: We're born, we live, we die. Some believe in an afterlife, but the only thing we can prove with any degree of certainty is that we seem to be here now.
In that short span of time, how should any of us choose to live our lives? What should we choose to be ambivalent about? (And I do believe this is a choice--Not ambivalence itself, but the particular *focus* of ambivalence at any given time.)
Do we choose to spend our lives in constant comparison with other groups or individuals? Why? Unless part of the solution can be to *become* that other person or a member of that other group, then what is the point of the comparison?
There is no dilemma in "being Black." Every day that you continue to get your a** out of bed and live another day you have made your choice.
There is no "blessing" to being Black either, any more than you being able to wear shoes and have a roof over your head makes you blessed--"chosen," somehow over millions of folks who can count on neither (and because of no apparent fault of their own.)
There is no "curse" to being Black. It's not some random event that befalls some people and not others. You are "Black" if the folks who contributed to your genetic makeup were "Black" and if the particular society in which you live has a category for "Black."
My strategy is to stop trying to make my existence as an African American (and woman, and mother, and middle class person, etc etc) in terms of "dilemmas" and "curses" and "blessings." No, we are not trapped beind the double consciousness, nor are we (most of us) descended from "kings and queens," nor are we subhuman.
I will not live my life in fear of being condemmed as a "Tom" nor will I live it attempting to somehow "keep it Real."
Popeye had it right: "I y'am what I y'am."
And if I am wrong, then so be it. I will have wasted my 78 or so years on this planet conducting myself under misconceptions and delusions. But I will have done the best I can. |
Anunaki3600
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Username: Anunaki3600
Post Number: 66
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 03:22 am: |
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Chris: First of all Cnique is CORRECT in that the WORDS you have typed are TOTALLY out of line and out of subject. You might need a rabies shot or two. Secondly, I was not just refering to the AA community in the US alone in my last post. Africans in Africa too have lost their religion and most parts of their culture and have adopted European religion and culture. The only thing they have going is their languages. Dancing in a grass skirt or wearing a African style robe does not make a culture. |
Roxie
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Wow, we ARE family.  |
Cynique
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Pay Uncle Chris no mind, kiddies. Boys will be boys. How significant that all of you young 'uns have exhibited so much more maturity than that flustered old coot. |
Cynique
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I like to think that y'am what I y'am, too, Yvette, which is to say that at my age, I enjoy the luxury of not having to be politically-correct and I act accordingly, sometimes saying things that are better left unsaid because people cling to their long held beliefs and want them reinforced. When this doesn't happen they take offense and feel betrayed. In making my observations about being black, I didn't speak off the top of my head. I came to the conclusion that being black is a dilemma because this board is a microcosm of black life and the cross-section of opinions expressed here are so contradictory and inconsistent, so rooted in resentment and grounded in pride that they reek with ambiguous frustration. And what is even more ironic is that no matter which point of view a rant espouses, it can be a valid one. So on and on it goes. In the theater of their minds, blacks can brag that "they are what they are", but in the world arena, they are defined and categorized by the mob, and the mob gangs up on blacks and subjects them to discrimination based on color. To me, all of this constitutes a dilemma, one that can descend into even more confusion because in the eyes of others, blacks are what they are not: inferior. We have no choice but do deal with these dilemmas. How we deal with them is what makes us individuals. Whether a dilemma is synonymous with being a curse is debatable. But in any case, certain things come with the territory of being born black. It's not about the person; it's about the race. |
Anunaki3600
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 03:57 am: |
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I thought this this might be of some value here: Even though the Off-spring of the BLACK RACE might not like it, they are just siblings of our Loins:
CHINESE ROOTS LIE IN AFRICA, RESEARCH SAYS
ROBERT LEE HOTZ, TIMES SCIENCE WRITER
Most of the population of modern China--one-fifth of all the people living today--o
wes its genetic origins to Africa, an international scientific team said today in research that undercuts any claim that modern humans may have originated independently in China. In the search for human origins, in which political beliefs and pride of place can figure as prominently as fossil evidence, the genetic findings dramatically illustrate the intricate weave of prehistoric migrations and human evolution, the scientists said.
Published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the study is the product of the Chinese Human Genome Diversity Project, a consortium of seven major research groups in the People's Republic of China, and the Human Genetics Center at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston. It was funded by the National Natural Science Foundation of China. Detailed Genetic Profiles Created The group used the advanced tools of DNA analysis to create detailed genetic profiles of 28 of China's official population groups, which comprise more than 90% of the country's population, to better understand the roots of complex chronic diseases like diabetes and hypertension. By exploring the genetic relationships that exist today among so many of China's ethnic groups, the team also shed light on the ancestry of people in East Asia, who, like everyone, carry in every cell of their bodies genetic hints about their evolutionary history and the journeys of their forebears. "The contribution of this study is very significant to the literature of human evolution," said Ranjan Deka at the University of Cincinnati, who studies human genetic variation. "The findings also will have a lot of bearing in the study of genetic diseases." Until now, other researchers said, few studies of human population genetics have taken such a comprehensive look at China.
Stanford University geneticist Luca Cavalli-Sforza, an authority on human genetic variation, said, "It is very encouraging to see a cooperative effort of this magnitude beginning to take place in this most important part of the world, and they are to be warmly congratulated for it." In all, the Chinese government today recognizes 56 ethnic groups. Just one of them, the Han, makes up the bulk of the population, comprising about 1.1 billion people. The other 55 ethnic minority groups encompass about 100 million people spread throughout China.
To study the diverse genetic inheritance of such an enormous population, the researchers used a special set of genetic markers called microsatellites. These extremely short chemical segments of DNA mutate very rapidly. That allows scientists to use them as signposts to mark how populations diverged or merged over time, reconstructing their evolutionary journey through time and across the continents to their contemporary abodes. The scientists looked at 30 such microsatellite markers across 28 of the population groups in China and then compared the pattern to 11 other population groups around the world. The researchers demonstrated that the peoples of northern and southern China cluster into distinct regional genetic populations that share inherited characteristics. Those groups, in turn, can be divided into even smaller, separate genetic groups. Yet, overall they all are descendants of a single population group that may have migrated into China from the south eons before humans learned to forge metal tools or use a written alphabet, the new research suggests.
"Populations from East Asia always derived from a single lineage, indicating the single origins of those populations," the researchers said. "It is now probably safe to conclude that modern humans originating in Africa constitute the majority of the current gene pool in East Asia," they said. Although few scholars today dispute the idea that the earliest ancestors of the human species evolved in Africa, there still is considerable debate over how modern humanity evolved from its more primitive ancestors.
Many anthropologists believe that humans may have migrated out of Africa in waves. More than a million years ago, humanity's primitive ancestors, known as homo erectus, walked out of Africa to colonize Europe, the Middle East and Asia. On that everyone agrees. Then several hundred thousand years later, some theorize, a second wave of more sophisticated tool-using humans migrated out of Africa and overwhelmed those earlier ancestors. According to that theory, modern humans are descended solely from those especially sophisticated tool-users.
Other researchers dispute that pattern. In their view, there was no second wave of migration from Africa. Instead, modern humankind evolved in China and elsewhere as colonies of more primitive homo erectus intermarried in a global network of genetic relationships.
Study Finding Not Disputed
"The issue," said University of Michigan anthropologist Milford Wilpoff, "is about whether people have multiple ancestors from many places or one ancestor from one place." Wilpoff, who is a leading advocate of the multi-regional hypothesis, did not dispute the findings of the China study. In his view, it is measuring the genetic effects of population shifts during the relatively recent prehistoric past. "This new finding is dealing with events that are much younger than the issue of modern human origins," he said.
Even so, the researchers said, the genetic evidence would not have pointed so clearly to a single lineage if an independent branch of the human family originating in Asia had made a major contribution to the continent's modern population. Li Jan, the senior scientist guiding the genetic analysis, said the findings may disappoint some of his fellow geneticists in China, where recent fossil discoveries that attest to the great antiquity of human settlement in East Asia have been a source of national pride. "The genetics community in China is in favor of the idea of independent origin of the people of China," said Jan at the Human Genetics Center in Houston. "But this is another confirmation of African origin."
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I remember a post place awhile back regarding the Origins of Chinese. This has changes everything for them.
XOXOXO Anunaki Hee hee heeeeeee |
Roxie
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 07:40 am: |
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I can't wait for the chinese to come up with some story way to debunk this! They always do.
Has anyone seen the PBS program "Journey of Man: a genetic odyssey"? It's the same discussion about the genetic proof of humanity's african origin but What's interesting is that the guy most dedicated to the "theory" ,Spencer Wells, is very nordic. That white man SO wants to black!
But then, we need more guys like him, AND that italian guy who found the black mummy in libya. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2342
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:21 am: |
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Hasn't the scientific community always speculated that the obvious physical appearances between the way Chinese look, - yellow skin, straight black hair and slanted eyes, and the way Africans look is the result of genetic mutations; same for why whites look so different from Africans and Asians. All human life did begin with Luci in Africa, and the different racial stocks were the result of genetic mutations. Mutants were driven out of their tribes and after bonding together with those of similar appearances, these groups migrated off to different parts of the world. |
Roxie
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 08:25 pm: |
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Since humans continue to evolve genetically, it Kind of makes you wonder how humans will look millions of years from now.You know, since we may be on mars by then. |
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