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Mahoganyanais
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:30 pm: | 
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PHILADELPHIA, Miss. - An 80-year-old former Ku Klux Klansman was convicted of manslaughter Tuesday in the slayings of three civil rights workers that shocked the nation exactly 41 years ago and helped spur passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The jury of nine whites and three blacks reached the verdict on their second day of deliberations, rejecting murder charges against Edgar Ray Killen but also turning aside defense claims that he wasn't involved at all.
Killen showed no emotion as the verdicts were read. He was comforted by his wife as he sat in his wheelchair, wearing an oxygen tube. He was immediately taken into custody by the sheriff, and Circuit Judge Marcus Gordon set sentencing for Thursday.
Civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were ambushed on June 21, 1964. Their bodies were found 44 days later buried in an earthen dam. They had been beaten and shot.
The notorious case inspired the 1988 movie "Mississippi Burning."
Cheers could be heard outside the two-story, red brick courthouse after the verdicts were announced. Passers-by patted Chaney's brother, Ben, on the back and one woman slowed her vehicle and yelled, "Hey, Mr. Chaney, all right!"
Later, Ben Chaney thanked the prosecutors but said that for the community, "I really feel that there is more to be done." He said there were still no black businesses downtown.
Schwerner's widow, Rita Schwerner Bender, praised the verdict, calling it "a day of great importance to all of us." But she said others also should be held responsible for the slayings.
"Preacher Killen didn't act in a vacuum," Bender said. "The state of Mississippi was complicit in these crimes and all the crimes that occurred, and that has to be opened up."
Killen's relatives left the courtroom without speaking to reporters.
Outside the courthouse, defense lawyer James McIntyre, said he will file an appeal, noting that the defense had objected to giving the jurors the manslaughter option.
"At least he wasn't found guilty of a willful and wanton act," McIntyre said.
Prosecutors had asked the jury to send a message to the rest of the world that Mississippi has changed and is committed to bringing to justice those who killed to preserve segregation in the 1960s. They said the evidence was clear that Killen organized the attack on the three victims.
Killen's lawyers conceded he was in the Klan but said that did not make him guilty. They pointed out that prosecutors offered no witnesses or evidence that put Killen at the scene of the crime. Killen did not take the stand, but has long claimed that he was at a wake at a funeral home when the victims were killed.
While Killen was indicted on murder charges, which could carry a life sentence, prosecutors asked the judge to allow the jury to consider the lesser charge of manslaughter, which has a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison for each of the three manslaughter counts.
Attorney General Jim Hood said earlier that with a murder charge, prosecutors had to prove intent to kill. With a manslaughter charge, he said, prosecutors had to prove only that a victim died while another crime was being committed.
"There's justice for all in Mississippi," Hood said after the verdicts were announced.
Killen was only person ever brought up on murder charges in the case by the state of Mississippi.
Killen, a part-time preacher and sawmill operator, was tried in 1967 on federal charges of violating the victims' civil rights. But the all-white jury deadlocked, with one juror saying she could not convict a preacher. Seven others were convicted, but none served more than six years.
The trial moved along swiftly, with testimony over only four days. Many of the witnesses from the 1967 trial now dead; this time, their testimony was read aloud to the jury from the transcripts.
Chaney, a black Mississippian, and Goodman and Schwerner, white New Yorkers, were in Neshoba County to look into the torching of a black church and help register black voters during what was called Freedom Summer.
The three were stopped for speeding on the night of the attack, jailed briefly, and then released, after which they were followed out of town by a gang of Klansmen and intercepted.
Witnesses � primarily Klansmen � testified that Killen was a local Klan organizer who led meetings where members discussed the "elimination" of Schwerner, whom they called "Goatee" because of his beard.
Witnesses said on the day of the slayings, Killen drove about 35 miles to Meridian and rounded up carloads of Klansmen to intercept the three men in their station wagon. According to testimony, Killen told some Klansmen to get plastic gloves and helped arrange for a bulldozer to bury the bodies.
Killen's case marked the latest attempt in the Deep South to deal with unfinished business from the civil rights era.
In 1994, Mississippi won the conviction of Byron de la Beckwith for the 1963 sniper killing of state NAACP leader Medgar Evers.
In Alabama, Bobby Frank Cherry was convicted in 2002 of killing four black girls in the bombing of a Birmingham church in 1963 � the deadliest attack of the civil rights era. In 2001, Thomas Blanton was convicted in the bombing.
State prosecutors also have reopened an investigation into the 1955 slaying of Chicago teenager Emmett Till in the Mississippi Delta. Till was kidnapped from his uncle's home after being accused of whistling at a white woman. Three days later, the 14-year-old's mutilated body was found in a river. Earlier this month, his remains were exhumed and autopsied.
In the case against Killen, prosecutors told jurors that a conviction was crucial in showing the world that times have changed in Mississippi.
"Because the guilt of Edgar Ray Killen is so clear, there is only one question left," prosecutor Mark Duncan said. "Is a Neshoba County jury going to tell the rest of the world that we are not going to let Edgar Ray Killen get away with murder any more? Not one day more."
McIntyre urged the jury to "vote your conscience" and acquit Killen. "There is a reasonable doubt," the lawyer said.
The bald, gray-haired Killen was brought into court each day in a wheelchair � the result of a logging accident in which he broke his legs. Killen had to be taken from the courthouse in a stretcher last week to be treated for high blood pressure � the same day that Schwerner's widow took the stand.
Bender took a riveted courtroom back in time to 1964, when she and her husband stayed in Mississippi with black families but had to constantly move around because of threats against their lives.
She also recalled the day when she was told that authorities had found the burned-out shell of her husband's blue station wagon.
"I think it really hit me for the first time that they were dead, that there was really no realistic possibility that they were alive," Bender said, occasionally looking as though she was fighting back tears. A few in the courtroom wiped away tears during the testimony.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 07:39 pm: |
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No time like the present.
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Abm
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I celebrate the verdict. But it causes me to ponder several things:
1) It seems the primary, if not sole, reason for the conviction is Killen was a prominent member of the local MS chapter(s) of the KKK during the killings. Is this true? If so, and considering lynchings are reported to have occurred as recent as the late 60's to early 70's (if not more recent than that), shouldn't any Klan member past age 50 should be p*$$ing in his trousers about now?
2) Assuming the answer to 1) is in the affirmative, will any other surviving Klan members who resided within the vicinity of the murders be tried as well?
3) Can and should the survivors of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner sue Killen and/or his estate and the local/national headquarters/chapter(s) of the KKK for 'wrongful death? If so, would such a suit prevail?
4) Considering that Killen will be dead soon, would it be better cut a deal with him that allows him to avoid/reduce imprisonment provided he provides information that leads to the convictions the his co-conspirators (included within such would be he providing the full roster of ALL members of his chapter of the KKK prior to the killings).
Just some of my 'musings' about this issue.
Yesterday was a GREAT day in the history of American Jurisprudence.
Yes. At the microscopic level, this conviction appears to be an insignificant gesture versus the brutal murders of these three brave men. But this decision by nine White and three Black Americans has the potential to help usher in social and cultural remedies throughout the nation. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 01:00 pm: |
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BSBSBSBSBSBS!!!
Don't be fooled, folks: This was all about the state saving a little face, trying not to appear so a**-backwards. I think I read that there are 10 other living suspects in this case--Where were they? What the heck does "manslaughter" mean in this case--These men were kidnapped by KKKillen (and him alone, mind you) and then magically slaughtered by a buncha aliens?
I am very troubled by recent events of this nature in this country. It's as if some are trying to quickly turn the page, wrap up old business as quickly as possible, in order to "move on." And nothing facilitates this kind of books-clearing than quick (rollcall-less) apologies and quick convictions of single old as heck scapegoats.
Well, I'm not quite ready to close this particular book. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 01:02 pm: |
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Can and should the survivors of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner sue Killen and/or his estate and the local/national headquarters/chapter(s) of the KKK for 'wrongful death?
No. They should sue the local government, the state and the country. |
Kola_boof
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Yvette, I couldn't have possibly said it better myself.
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Cynique
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If the relatives and survivors of the murdered men are satisfied with the outcome, then so be it. There's something to be said for "movin on" since the past can't be undone. In the ongoing pursuit of justice, it's preferable to concentrate on the present, and focus on the living |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 02:56 pm: |
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I agree A LOT with what Cynique just said also.
Because I honestly do believe that the forms of "racism" have taken on a whole NEW strategy....and too many black folks today are hung up in the 1960's (where it's comfortable) rather than boldly staring down the NEW injustices that are literally wiping our people and our children OUT.
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Abm
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'Vette,
Of course there are other people involved. But, to my knowledge, Killens' conviction does not prohibit trying them as well.
This may just be a FIRST step along a GREAT journey. That's why I said before that now that Killen's been convicted, may be he can be bargained into offering up info on his conspirators.
To sue the government, you'd have to proved they - federal, state and county - committed a crime/tort. Sadly there, at least to my knowledge, is NOTHING on legal, judical record or any no evidence that THAT has occurred.
But you DO have a conviction on record against Killen.
And his prominent association with the Klan can be used to drag the rest of their cowardly hoodwearing @$$e$ into a crippling lawsuit.
Also, maybe by suing the Klan, facts could come into evidence linking complicit country/state officials.
THEN, perhaps you can effectively go after duh guvahmint.
I'm not suggesting this is what must be done. Or that the families are motivated to endure such. But these could prove the optimum result of Killen's conviction.
Kola,
Lemme tell you.
If I saw my brother, mother or CHILDREN hanging by broken necks from a tree or ripped to shreds in some motherfucking Mississippi lagoon, not only would I fight to my dying day to see to it that justice was done (ala Emmit Till's valiant Mother Mobley), on my death bed I'd MAKE my children swear to do the same.
That might appear to 'some' to not be the wise thing to do for Black foks as a whole (Though I question the rationale behind that bullshit.), but that sure-as-HELL is what I would do.
Btw: I always find it odd that we say we should pursue some future imperative (that, btw, we seldom do) WITHOUT addressing past ills, especially when the past has laid the foundation for where we are NOW and where we're most likely to be able to go.
Also. There are +40 million African American foks in the US. That's a good/plenty number of us to handle the past, future and all parts in between, IF we are - collectively/individual - motivated to achieve such.
Hell! The American Jews do both. And they're +6X's the number of AA's as there is AJ's! |
Kola_boof
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But ABM....if they haven't healed themselves in some way since 41 YEARS ago---then they never will.
There is MUCH MORE WORK that needs to be done now than there was in 1964.
Things for blacks in this country are MUCH WORSE (although they look better) than they were in 1964.
Materialism and white cootie has the Black Man blind.
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Kola_boof
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ABM, I didn't say we should address past wrongs.
What I pointed out is that there is much more wrong going on NOW, and not half of what was addressed in 1964 is addressed today.
Have none of this "family" noticed that young black people today are the ones hanging and LYNCHING their own ancestors, their own mothers and fathers---and especially their own brothers??
12 times More blacks are murdered TODAY, ABM and by other blacks! (for being black, if truth be told)
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Abm
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Kola,
I might concur that in some respects things have worsen since '64.
But has it ever occurred to you (and people who think as you do) that the problems you cite are at least in part the result of our having NOT squared up Till's, Chaney's, MLK', Malcolm and the other brave departed Black men and women of the struggle?
Does it occur to you that part of the reason WHY we're having these tantalizing visions of "white cootie" dancing in our heads is we have NOT done right by our past?
Hell! Done right by it? We want to pretend it didn't happen but then wonder how we're going to go forward, together, as we fall/trip trying to get the hell away from anyone/thing...each other...that remind of the BS that happened to us.
Consider the faulty logic: We're suppose to love/comfort each other because of a shared history/culture that we NO longer want to acknowledge/embrace/honor.
We try to purge our delicate consciences of the memories of valiant ancestors who gave a hellavah lot more than we've proven deserving of receiving. Then wonder why our racid cultural toilet's backing up on us.
You can't just DECIDE, out-of-blue, that we're going wipe away the past and move on, especially when so many of us are so screwed up from it we can't even see straight.
How does THAT work?
Brothaman #1: "OKAY. I know some bad $#*+ happened before. But there ain't nothing we can do about it. So let's just pick up and move on. OKAY?" 
Brothaman #1: "OKAY? OKAY? Who the @#$% are you? N*%%A! 
Now let's CONTRAST that with the Jews!
They are barely 2 fucking percent of the American population. But you'd swear they were almost HALF of it.
Why?
I tell you. Because they embrace, celebrate, mourn, wallow, persecute, assasinate, quicken, prosecute, execute the LIVINGSHIT out of their PAST and PAIN.
The DON'T run from it!
All the stuff forms a kind of comraderie that you just can't beat! Because there's this indominable shared paranoia of being on ship that may sink at ANY moment if just ONE person stops rowing.
We complain about other Black foks complaining/whining. But then tell me, who pray-tell do more bitching/moaning than JEWS?
Jews do more 'crying than ANYBODY...And they'd STILL, in the midst of their abounding laments, make their TRILLIONS controlling Hollywood, publishing and the government!
And lemme ask you a question with a pretty obvious answer: If there had been 5,000 Jews, not Blacks, lynched in the US, what do YOU think would have happened?
I'll tell you. Every gotdayam state that had a single ALLEGED reported instance of a Jew having been lynched would have a American Jew Lynching Memorial in the center of the gotdayam state capitol complex.
Look. When we reconnect to all the $#*+ that happened to us. When we see OURSELVES hanging from those motherfucking Mississippi cottonwood trees...when we imagine Emmitt Till was OUR child...THEN you might begin to see some Black foks working desperately together. Then you might see Black males "ante up...like MEN!" |
Cynique
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How legitimate is it to compare black Americans to Jews. Jews possess a collective consciousness and a monolithic culture and they are able to make their presence felt because they, as a people, have what blacks lack. Wealth and Power. And maybe the cooler heads which prefer to not wallow in the past realize that to do so is counter-productive. You learn from the past but you don't dwell on it. |
Kola_boof
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OK ABM, I get your point and I agree.
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Anunaki3600
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Black people are the most humane and forgiving of others (non-black) around the world, but they will not forgive each other. "Lets pick-up the pieces and move forward", "lets not dwell on the past", "lets forgive our enemies",....... These statements are made all over the Black world. Whether it's in the U.S. or in South Africa. On the other hand American Jews are still looking around for Nazi's, their looted art or monies and will not rest until they smoke-out the last Nazi killer out of his fox-hole. AA's and A's as a community have lots of money and power too but don't have a collective conciousness. Let someone (black man) step on a brothas foot accidently in da club and he's ready to tear your @$$ up. He's ready to drop ten thousand G's at the woman who can snake, snake, snake. But ask him for a dollar for a worthy cause in the black community, he will have ten thousand excuses. AA's and A's give the least amount for charity among all communities for their communities. We will buy hundred dollar shades but give a nickle for community charity. Our elite and upper-middle-class are among the most selfish group in the community. It's only when they are in trouble (i.e. OJ Simpson or MJ) that they come back for support and claim to be victims. I have more faith in poor blacks, even if they might act crazy most of the times, our real leaders always come from them and they are the only one keep the AA community black (not yellow or turning white). |
Yvettep
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AA's and A's give the least amount for charity among all communities for their communities
Actually, some research suggests that Blacks allocate a higher proportion of their income to charity than other groups. If I recall correctly, most of it was tithing to churches, so whether or not you think the money from there went to good purposes is another story... |
Anunaki3600
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AA's and A's can give all their money to the church and build the largest churches in the US. Don't mean a thing. The "feel good" churches of today don't trickle down anything to the community. Apart from giving to the church, nothing is given to the community. I have to locate a research article which compared jewish, black and asian contributions to their communities in New York. |
Abm
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‘Vette,
I couldn’t concur with Anunaki more even if I’d said it myself. Giving good money to $#*+ begets MORE $#*+.
And THAT to an ENORMOUS extent is what occurring between Black people and churches.
Sadly, the only thing our church charity results in is the embellishment of the egos, bank accounts and property values of the gangs of ‘false prophets’ our communities are RIDDLED with.
Anunaki,
Thanks for helping support the points I’ve tried to make here. Your being an African male – someone we otherwise SELDOM hear from here – helps broaden the context to which what I assert applies.
You’re dayam right the Jews are after those scumbag Nazi’s. And I hope they kill each and every dayam one of them. And I’d understand if they croaked their families to boot!
And where does, pray-tell, does this all-abiding Jewish fidelity come from?
Mars?
Fuck naw!
Jewish “wealth and power” and “collective consciousness” is born from their realizing a LONGTIMEAGO that if they don’t posse-up and ride together, there soon won’t be any of them left!
Tell me this, my BLACK people:
And do the Jews “wallow in the past” when they commemorate Hanukah?
Should they “get over it” and discontinue “Passover”?
Do they unproductively “dwell on” the Holocaust as they release COUNTLESS books, new articles, movies, treatises and MYRIAD other media about that tragedy?
And has ANY of the omnipresent Jewish mourning fucked with their scoring vastly disproportionate POWER/INFLUENCE in the US and throughout the World?
Do I REALLY have to answer any of those questions?
Look. Typically. HISTORICALLY. The ONLY reason people have worked together is when they’ve perceived a common threat to their shared interests.
It’s that fucking simple.
Everything else – religions, customs, rites, monarchies, governments, laws, etc. are ALL a consequences of THAT most enduring of human motivations
Otherwise, foks will (and have) live and let live themselves into oblivion.
Now. Hey. If that’s okay with you. Cool. Maybe it doesn’t matter to you who/what got you to this point. But if that’s the case, the logical question is this:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE?
Why not just go somewhere else to meekly, cowardly DIE alone. ‘Cause at least then you are NOT in everyone else’s way. |
Cynique
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The Jews keep the holocaust alive because they don't have any new problems to bitch about. Holocaust survivors are all alive and well and thriving, and Israel is keeping Palestine in check. Blacks have a new set of problems with each passing year. So regressing and fulminating about the past accomplishes nothing. And tell me, what is the alternative to leaving the past behind? Forming a black task force and launching an attack against America for its sins? Talk is cheap but you short-sighted hot-heads never get into the logistics of things. |
Kola_boof
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Anunaki3600...who the hell was talking about FORGIVENESS???
Not me.
I said that we need to FOCUS MORE on the "new strategies" that Whites are deploying in their "new ways" of extolling racism and destroying our people.
A lot has changed in their game plan from 41 years ago----and I DO think that we need to stop confining racism to "lynching", "back of the bus", "separate drinking fountains"-----all of that shit is GONE, even if we do still have the scars from it.
We need to recognize that the White Supremacist mindset has moved into our own heads.
Our children's heads.
And much of the destruction being carried out today is done by US, because we want to be white so bad.
ABM would not have us tear down Michael Jackson for his blatant and all consuming promotion of White Supremacy.....but will rant about continuiing to fight the lynching, etc.
I would MUCH RATHER sink my energies into Blonde Black Women with Fake Blue eyes and into Clarence Thomas and into the African Leaders than waste all this valuable time on white people.
We really need to straighten up within our own group before we can adequately check anybody.
MOST of what white people do---is what they SHOULD be doing.
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Abm
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Cynique,
The Jews are holding things down BECAUSE they've so browbeaten the worldwide dialog about the Jewish Oppression and Holocaust that foks are afraid to hardly speak otherwise.
HELL! That's WHY Israel exists to begin with!!
Now, mind you, I ain't mad at them for it. Get it done, I say. Get it done!
Frankly, blacks would do WELL to develope such rhetorical potency.
Blacks do NOT have a "new set of problems": Blacks are enduring new manifestations of the SAME problem: Our complete/utter unwillingness to work together.
Harriet Tubman noted that.
Marcus Garvey noted that.
Malcolm X noted that.
And as long as you react to such manifestations WITHOUT ever delving into the root of them, you'll just tumble more deeply into trouble.
Sure. I have ideas about what we should and shouldn’t do about the past. But I’m also humble enough to concede that I, nor any one group or generation even can fully resolve the problem.
But I do know this: We will NOT benefiting from things continuing as they currently are.
THAT, to me, is clear as spring water.
NOW...let's directly examine the UTTER silliness of what you say:
"So regressing and fulminating about the past accomplishes nothing."
Why not? That works in laboratories, schools, synagogues, Congress, the White House...and every other fucking thing of consequence in this nation.
"And tell me, what is the alternative to leaving the past behind? Forming a black task force and launching an attack against America for its sins?"
This is some bullshit sophistry! So. Because someone chooses to ponder the past of America they must be intended on subverting America's present/future? And who's to say that examining the past wouldn't IMPROVE the nation? No one have EVER provided a credible argument that discovering Chaney's and Till killers hold us back. Where is the proof of that? Where?
"Talk is cheap but you short-sighted hot-heads never get into the logistics of things."
Oh LAWD! Deliver her from redundancy!
PS: Thank you VERY much. Because although I know being Black don't mean SHIT to you (and, PLEASE, don't even TRY to LIE otherwise), at least these discussions have inspired me to "rant" out some things that others might enjoy pondering.
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Abm
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Kola,
I hear and understand what you mean. But I think where we differ is the issue of strategy versus tactics.
You at times seem fixed on tactics (short-term items). But you need an effective strategy (broader, long-term mission) to effectively execute the tactics.
You are indeed right the White racist mindset has moved into our heads. But where you think “blond black women” and “fake blue eyes” REALLY came from?
Long Beach?
No. I think you have to visit, perhaps LIVE, in the South to understand what I mean. Because, in many respects the issues/problems you cite are rooted THERE.
A lot of Black foks are STILL spiritually running scared of Dixie.
And that manifests to a large extent in what you’re witnessing in California.
A lot of them are only 1, 2 or a few generations away from slaving on some cottonfield. And they’re swirling with Whites and Asians to get away as far away from that $#*+ as possible.
So you’ll NEVER have a shot at reach’em until you can reconnect the dots in the mind about why/how they are where they are.
PS: Be fair now. As an intellectual courtesy, I admitted EARLY on I have a weakness for Michael Jackson. Thus I expect one to view WHATEVER I say about him with a jaundice eye. That (admitted) vulnerability should NOT be UNFAIRLY used to taint everything else I have to say on these matters. |
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 04:36 am: |
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Just because chains have been removed from your wrists does not mean that you jump up and down and sing "free at last", "forget about it" and "don't dwell on it". A big clamp has been placed on your head (mind) which you cannot see and it's being squeezed on a daily basis. Those who forget the past.....I don't have to tell you the rest. It's because of this very reason that you have "Black Blond Women with fake blue eyes" who will give birth to a MJ without the talent. Free your mind.... |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2301
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:10 pm: |
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I'm sure what you have to say might interest somebody ABM, but unless you make your posts directed to me more cogent and concise you're wasting your time. I am not wading through all of the sludge you regurgitate, especially since I have yet to be convinced by any argument you make. zzzzzzzzzzzz. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2302
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:18 pm: |
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Anunaki3600, let's face it guy. You and I simply don't agree about being mired in the past. I have already said that you learn from the past and I contend that the problems at hand are what should take priority. Now if you have some kind of plan to put into place that will satisfy your need to avenge the past, then knock yourself out. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 3645
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 05:40 pm: |
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Cynique,
I just use your inane commentary to make points I feel should be made.
I have NEVER expected to convince you of anything. Because the impenetrable cast of lead lining that surrounds that wet noodle you call a brain was installed LONG before I was even born. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2303
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 05:47 pm: |
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Well, doofus, when are you going to start making some points? All of your obfuscation proves nothing except that you are "the sound and fury of an idiot saying nothing." |
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