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Rustang
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Post Number: 47
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:01 pm: | 
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A couple of days ago there was a rally sponsered by the Ku Klux Klan in a small town outside of Houston TX.This sort of got me to wondering if the KKK has been classified as a terrorist organization by Bush and his cronies.If not,why not?Is the percentage of clansmen that vote republican is a lop-sided as I would guess that it is?What,if any fund-raising events do they sponser?Any outright contributions?If so,what do they get as a return on their investment?Could it be that ole dubbya himself is now,or has been in the past,affiliated with the clan in some way?I wish that I had the time and resources to pursue this myself.I'm sure that it would make for fascinating reading in something like the NY Times. |
Libralind2
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Post Number: 101
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Domestic terrorism: the FBI view - ... from the standpoint of militia groups, Aryan Nations, skinheads, KKK. ... And I believe the best thing the federal government can do is to form ...
http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups44.html
This was one link I found.
LiLi
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Libralind2
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Post Number: 102
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 11:00 am: |
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Here is another:
The FBI Stinger Missile Evidence - ... may help explain why the KKK isn't categorized as a terrorist group. ... able to act and not get caught, the group shows the weakness of the government, ...
http://impiousdigest.com/index01.htm
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Libralind2
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Post Number: 103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 11:28 am: |
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UT OH..look at this scary group I found on the Southern Poverty Law website:
ELDORADO, Texas -- This is a town of 1,951 residents, 13 churches, three restaurants, and a motel that fills with hunters during deer season. The town paper, the Eldorado Success, covers high school football, wedding anniversaries and city council meetings — typical small-town stories in what was once a typical west Texas town.
All that changed on March 24, 2004, when the biggest story to ever hit Eldorado debuted on the paper's front page: "Corporate Retreat or Prophet's Refuge?" the headline read. The Success sold 200 copies in a single day, causing a near-traffic jam outside the paper's office, says editor Randy Mankin.
The story Mankin broke concerned the true identity of Eldorado's new neighbors.
In November 2003, David Allen Steed had purchased a 1,691-acre ranch just outside of town, telling locals it would be used as a hunting retreat for business clients from Las Vegas.
But Mankin discovered that Steed was actually an agent for a breakaway Mormon sect known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) and based in an Arizona-Utah border community long known as Short Creek (encompassing the twin cities of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz.).
He began researching the FLDS, and what he would learn would astonish him: stories of "blood atonement," child brides, rabid racism, multiple wives, and a secretive, religious dictator.
The more he learned, the more apparent it became that the folks at the ranch had no interest in hunting at all.
The FLDS is a polygamous religious cult led by 48-year-old "prophet" Warren Jeffs, who teaches his followers (he claims an estimated 10,000) that blacks are the descendants of Cain, "cursed with a black skin" and selected by God to be "the servants of servants."
Since taking over leadership of the group when his father died in 2002, Jeffs has demanded absolute obedience from his followers and preached blood atonement, an early Mormon doctrine dictating the extrajudicial killings of certain sinners. (Modern Mormon officials have said that blood atonement was never actually carried out, but researchers have produced some evidence to the contrary.)
Jeffs says that the government is "wicked," as are outsiders and the mainstream Mormon Church (leaders prefer its full name, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or LDS), and that all will soon be stricken from the earth by God's hand.
An explosive situation appears to be developing.
Gary Engels, an investigator from Arizona, says Jeffs recently predicted that the world would end on April 6 — the day the sect believes Jesus was born — and has instructed his followers to ready a temple for the second coming.
Attorneys general in Utah and Arizona are investigating Jeffs and the FLDS, concerned by allegations of forced marriages involving underage girls.
And former cult members filed lawsuits last July in Utah that accused Jeffs of a litany of crimes, from sodomizing a 5-year-old nephew to making terroristic threats.
But process servers in the civil cases have been unable to locate the prophet, who has not been seen in public for months, and some law enforcement officials worry that any possible encounter with Jeffs could spark violence. Many observers suspect that Jeffs is leading a permanent departure from Short Creek, where there are signs that hundreds of his followers are moving out and bringing the polygamist cult and its problems to Eldorado.
An FLDS spokesman told a reporter last fall that Eldorado was being set up merely as a new "outpost and retreat" for some 500 Short Creek residents tired of negative press attention. But that hasn't mollified the locals, who have not forgotten that they were lied to about the purpose of the ranch.
"There's a new town moving into our county," says Mankin. "They could easily outnumber everyone here in the city if they need to. We're very concerned about that."
The last thing Mankin wants for his town is to see it become another Short Creek — no matter how many newspapers he sells along the way. Even more frightening is the specter of another Waco.
"From the moves I see [Jeffs] make, I think he's unstable," says Mankin. "Mass excommunications, the reassigning of wives, children and families, and a reckless disregard for business. They are gutting that town out there [Short Creek] and are coming here to Eldorado."
All Mankin can do is watch and wait.
Short Creek
Warren Jeffs' empire is, for the moment, headquartered in an area north of the Grand Canyon and south of Zion National Park known as the Arizona Strip, in the isolated community of Short Creek, where time has stood still in many ways since the polygamists moved there during the Great Depression. The FLDS split from the mainstream LDS after the church banned polygamy in 1890 under pressure from the federal government.
The FLDS further distanced itself from the LDS when the church reversed a longstanding position and began allowing blacks to become priests in 1978. Jeffs has described the day blacks were given the keys to heaven as a victory for the devil. He says the LDS "became the great and terrible church on the earth" and will be destroyed by God.
Despite longstanding laws forbidding polygamy, the group has been largely left alone since a disastrous 1953 raid on Short Creek by Arizona law enforcement became a public relations nightmare for then-Gov. Howard Pyle. The media told stories of families and children torn apart, and the public was outraged.
Pyle's attempt to eradicate what he called "the wicked theory that every maturing girl child should be forced into the bondage of multiple wifehood with men of all ages" would end his political career.
That a devout religious sect wishing to be left alone with their faith would choose to settle in Short Creek is understandable. The red rocks of Canaan Mountain loom like sentries above the town. The vast cerulean sky is dark and crisp at 6,000 feet.
There is also a harsh edge to the wind that turns the cheeks of the women ruddy and tousles their carefully constructed braids.
Clad in frocks and simple dresses, they appear trapped in an endless episode of "Little House on the Prairie." Dust stirs under their footfalls, swirling their long skirts as they walk the quiet streets.
Although it's hard to study their faces at any length because they're quick to turn away from strangers, there's a sense of déjà vu with each high forehead, pointed nose, and reddish-gold mane.
In Short Creek, it's not uncommon for your sister to be your cousin or your uncle your stepfather. The lack of new blood — this is a sect you must be born into — explains the recurring facial structures.
In a more tragic way, it also explains the town's baby cemetery, a large plot of land devoted exclusively to the headstones of newborns and infants.
Marriage between close relations can bring out the worst in genetics.
'Obey the Prophet'
Short Creek is completely dominated by Jeffs. FLDS members control the city government, the police force, the schools, and every aspect of life.
"Obey the prophet when he speaks and you'll be blessed," Jeffs has said. "Disobey him and it's death."
In late 2004, Jeffs asked his disciples to stand if they would be willing to die for him. No one remained seated.
"He asked them would they die for him. Well, that's a veiled question," says Richard Holm, a former elder in the FLDS church who was excommunicated in 2003. "'Would you kill for me?' is the subtle question within that question."
In the two years since he became prophet, Jeffs has ordered all dogs shot; closed the town zoo; forbidden television, holidays, movies and music; banned laughter; forbidden swimming and water sports, and sent "God Squads" of young men to inspect residences and report any violations of his edicts.
Marriages are arranged and performed exclusively by Jeffs in order to keep his chosen people pure. "The devil is trying to get people to go out and marry and mix with the world," he preaches, "even different colored people. That is why we marry only who the prophet says."
Strangers ("gentiles") touring the town are met with glances ranging from hostile to fearful. Outsiders, residents have been told, are "wicked."
Everywhere visitors go in Short Creek, they are shadowed by an entourage of men SUV and pickups watching their every move, taking note of where they go and who they speak with — a silent intimidation of both the visitors and anyone who accommodates them.
Not that there's much in town to draw a tourist.
Short Creek has a restaurant that sells religious books and homemade soup.
The supermarket shelves offer eight-pound "family packs" of hamburger meat.
There's a drugstore that's devoid of condoms but offers $1 ovulation testing and free popcorn.
Houses are ramshackle and look like modular gerbil cages, one mismatched habitat slapped onto another to accommodate burgeoning families and multiple wives. (FLDS believes that three wives are necessary to reach the highest level of heaven.)
Short Creek also has a "launching pad," a grassy field near the baby cemetery that has been used several times as a gathering place when the prophet declared the Lord was coming to destroy the wicked and "lift them up."
Colorado City historian Ben Bistline says he remembers three separate occasions the community was told to gather for lift-off. "People were scared to death that the end of the world was coming," Bistline says.
"They were crowding the supermarkets, loading up with food," Bistline recalls. "I saw a little girl reach into her mother's basket and take something out. 'Can I eat this, mommy?' she asked. Her mother told her, 'No, honey! That food's for heaven.'"
When the Lord failed to appear, the prophet pronounced his flock unworthy and urged them to pray harder.
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Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 11:29 am: |
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There was much more here is the link:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=527 |
Rustang
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Post Number: 48
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 01:32 pm: |
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Well,then.I guess that answers my question.It seems as if every time I inadvertantly flip over a rock I find myself staring at the gates of hell.I appreciate your having taken the time to share this,Libralind2,even though you have managed to thoroughly terrify me. |
Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 09:33 am: |
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OOOOO I am sowry Rustang..LOL Im going to look at this later as you raise a interesting point. This country shut down the Black Panthers and the like yet this group is alive and well and gets a pat on the hand (actually more like the butt). Its riduclous.
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Rustang
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 12:29 pm: |
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No need to apologize.People scare me all of the time.Fortunately,while it's true that I'm easy to scare,I'm almost impossible to intimidate.I thought it interesting that the only thing the FBI seemed to find objectionable was the klan's anti-government sentiments.It seems like more is revealed by what's not said when listening to representatives of our government. |
Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 09:58 pm: |
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I found something on this today:
FBI's mole in Klan was as horrifyingly brutal as the rest
By Michael Ollove
Sun Book Editor
Originally published June 5, 2005
The Informant: The FBI, The Ku Klux Klan, and the Murder of Viola Liuzzo
By Gary May. Yale University Press. 432 pages. $35.
Gary Thomas Rowe Jr. was the FBI's man on the inside of the Klan. Inside and up close. Very close. Rowe had a knack for being in the vicinity of just about every conflagration of racial violence in the virulently segregated Alabama of the early 1960s. He was around for beatings, bombings, ultimately even murder.
Many in the FBI, including J. Edgar Hoover himself, considered Rowe an incomparable asset in the war against racist extremists. What they chose to ignore was that the very man they inserted into the Ku Klux Klan to protect American citizens from racial mayhem was enthusiastically participating in such acts himself. And when he found himself in position to stop some of the most brutal crimes in the history of the civil rights movement, he managed to come up short or late.
The last of these incidents, and the climactic event in Gary May's suspenseful and vigorously reported The Informant, occurred on a stretch of Alabama highway on March 25, 1965, in the wake of the otherwise triumphant Voting March to Montgomery. On that night, Klansmen raced down a car driven by Viola Liuzzo, a white woman from Detroit who had participated in the march, and shot her to death.
In the Oldsmobile from which the fatal bullets were fired was none other than the FBI's prized informant, Gary Rowe.
When he had first come to the FBI's attention five years earlier, Rowe was a barroom brawler in Birmingham with a police record, a man unburdened by either principle or self-control and virtually indistinguishable in character or outlook from those already in the KKK. Except Rowe had a fantasy about himself as Eliot Ness, which encouraged the FBI to take its own flight from reality, drafting Rowe as their mole in the Alabama Klan.
It did not seem to have occurred to anyone that a volatile, self-aggrandizing, undisciplined character might not be ideally suited for the murky role of agent-provocateur, particularly not in one of the most combustible racial flashpoints in the country. ("There's no hate like the hate down there," one official was later warned.) As May, a University of Delaware historian, recounts, the results of the FBI's miscalculation were as predictable as they were appalling.
With a prosecutorial zeal and palpable outrage, May delves through FBI files, trial transcripts and interviews to unravel an essentially co-dependent relationship between Rowe and his FBI enablers. From the beginning, Rowe involved himself in the very brutal acts that he was drafted to forestall, creating a moral quagmire that engulfed Hoover's FBI and perverted its mission. The paradoxes that May delineates are concussive. Rowe's implication in the crimes increased his promise rather than disqualifying him (or landing him in a prison cell); shielding him became more vital than protecting black citizens and their supporters.
"If he moved from beatings to bombings, it would reassure his fellow Klansmen that he was one of them," May observes, "which in turn would put him in position to provide the Bureau with more information. Ironically, as the violence increased, so did his value to the Bureau."
With a few notable exceptions, Rowe rarely delivered a return. Most often, the FBI was left culling through crime scenes, devising rationalizations for why their chief informant not only hadn't informed them in time to avert bloodshed, but, in some cases, was stained with blood himself.
What the FBI accomplished, May suggests, was to immunize Rowe and some of his closest Klan friends. Meanwhile, the violence escalated, in attacks on Freedom Riders, bombings - including that of the 16th Street Baptist Church - and the murder of Liuzzo, a troubled but open-hearted Detroit mother of five who was moved by the racial outrages in Alabama to march for civil rights there. All those incidents, May asserts, could have been averted if either Rowe or his FBI handlers had not lost sight of the cause they were supposed to serve.
The just deserts in May's chronicle was the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was propelled forward in the outcry over Liuzzo's slaying. That was some comfort to Liuzzo's damaged children, who never received an official acknowledgement from the FBI of its negligence in unleashing a man like Rowe. May's book makes that recklessness abundantly plain and infuriating, and he marshals it to argue against the use of informants altogether. "In order to protect their cover, informants commit the very acts they are supposed to forestall and therefore make U.S. intelligence agencies complicit in these crimes."
That is an over-reach, but the caution May sounds in The Informant is worth heeding, now more than ever. After the intelligence failures of 9/11 and Iraq, the Bush administration is eager to restore the United States' network of spies in the war against terror. For those it enlists, the dangers will be real, the pressures nearly unbearable. Nevertheless, The Informant serves as warning that in choosing who to send on our behalf, willingness cannot be the only test of suitability.
LiLi
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Abm
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I recall reading in the British press that after muddling through all the semantical quabbling and politicking, one can only draw this simple yet honest conclusion: "Terrorism is violence committed by those we disapprove of.”
Assuming that is true, it should then be quite easy to discern WHY some of the groups you fear are NOT being confronted as "terrorists". |
Snakegirl
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Brilliant deduction ABM.
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Abm
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Snake',
Well, I guess it's like my geeky (White) philosophy professor often bragged: "Son. When all else fails, logic prevails." |
Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 07:54 pm: |
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Tru dat
LiLi |
Libralind2
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This ought ta scare ya:
The Family Research Council and the Ku Klux Klan
by John in DC - 6/8/2005 03:52:00 PM
You always remember your first Klan...
The Family Research Council's executive director, Tony Perkins, reportedly paid former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke over $80,000 for his who's-who-of-racist-America mailing list in 1996. This should be the death of the Family Research Council, one of the religoius right's lead organizations, and the end of Tony Perkins career.
Who on the left is smart enough to plunk down some money to organize the campaign destroying the FRC and their executive director because of his dealings with the Ku Klux Klan?
This was 1996, people. That is well beyond, years beyond, the date that the entire nation knew Duke to be a rabid KKK-loving racist. But our pinnacle of family values, Tony Perkins, had no problem enriching black-hater David Duke to the tune of $82,000. And what's more, Tony Perkins had no problem trying to woo David Duke's avowed racist following.
With the religious right trying to reach out to black folk, and more generally trying to lecture the rest of us on morality, I want to know why Tony Perkins hasn't been forced to resign, or, why the Family Research Council hasn't been ostracized from the entire religious right community.
Bob Knight and the rest of the Concerned Women for America, and the American Family Association and Lou Sheldon and all the rest of you supposed Christians, are you concerned that your good buddy Tony Perkins appears peppered with racism?
From the Nation (I'd reported on this Nation piece before, but this is big. This is the end of the Family Research Council and the religious right's efforts to woo the black community, if only some smart well-funded liberal had the sense to do something with this.):
"Four years ago, Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), America's premier white supremacist organization, the successor to the White Citizens Councils, which battled integration in the South. In 1996 Perkins paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list. At the time, Perkins was the campaign manager for a right-wing Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana. The Federal Election Commission fined the campaign Perkins ran $3,000 for attempting to hide the money paid to Duke."What would I do in response? How about make sure the entire audience knows about Perkins' support for Duke and affinity for racists at EVERY event he attends. How about informing the black media and black churches about this tie between racists and the religious right. How about asking supposed religious right "black" leaders why they don't speak out against the FRC and its executive director's affinity for white supremacists. How about demanding that the other religious right groups speak out against Tony Perkins and his enabling of black-hating racists.
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Chrishayden
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A brother who worked in Military Intelligence informed me that the Ku Klux Klan is considered a Christian Patriot Organization and in the event of a breakdown in order the military authorities will work with the Klan in order to restore it.
You have to understand that to white people who grew up around the Klan they are the same as the Kiwanis or the Elk's Club. You have to understand that white people from the South are represented in our nations military out of proportion to their numbers in society--cultural and economic differences toward military service.
Of course, they would be.
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Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:19 am: |
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Oh thanks LOL
LiLi |
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