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Rustang First Time Poster Username: Rustang Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 06:55 pm: |

Hello.I've been reading the posts on this board for a while.I finally went ahead and registered a couple of days ago.I couldn't help but notice a few things.There seems to be the usual amount of people laughing and joking with each other that is common to boards like this.There is also a fair degree of barely suppressed rage and frustration over the way that things are,and have been for some time now.What are conspicuously absent,however,are recomendations or suggestions.When one is dissatisfied with the way that things are,that person has essentially two ways to go.They can cower in their home and type angry things,or they can get up off of their ass,walk out the door and try to do something to change the way that things are.If a person is unhappy with having been disenfranchised in florida,then the thing to do with that is to start a grass roots movement to have a write-in black candidate that most black voters would not find to be too objectionable,rally the support required and have that person take florida's electoral votes.There are enough black folks in florida to do that,given the traditionally poor turn-out of white voters.That candidaye would soon discover that there are a large number of hispanic,asian and disgruntled whites that are very,very tired of seeing the power elite trot out heckle and jeckle every four years and telling them to choose between the two.The same is true in georgia,alabama,mississippi and louisiana.There are bunches of hispanic voters in arizona,texas,new mexico and california.The simple truth of the matter is that two out of three registered voters in this country are NOT white males.
If a person is waiting for that magical day when a government that has oppressed them for hundreds of years will do an about face and all of a sudden 'lift up the blacks to state of equality 'then that person will wait until the day that they die flat broke.Violent measures will only alienate us from the majority.We have the examples in Dr. King and Ghandi.I won't argue,I won't fight but I won't accept this b.s. any more.Both of those men were gunned down in the street like dogs,but their legacy will live forever.Ghandi chased the british empire out of India without firing a shot.Dr.King brought about tremendous progress in the civil rights movement.What might or might not have happened in their personal lives isn't even an issue in the grand scheme of things.
If you are waiting for the government to educate your child,then your child will be an ignorant ass.It is a parent's responsibilty to see that the child is studying,doing homework and arriving at school prepared and on time every day.But that cuts into the 'me' time.
It will not be easy.But it is well within reach.This era could be remembered as the golden age of humanity,but it will require some work sacrifice and even many deaths to accomplish.Sitting around bleating and grumbling will accomplish nothing.The small handful of people that actually call the shots don't care how angry you get as long as all that you're going to do is sit around and bitch.
Just thought that I'd mention that.Maybe it's all been said before,but,since I don't see any of that happening maybe it needs to be said again.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 08:36 pm: |

You must not have read Kola Boof's posts, because mines are QUITE BRUTALLY chock full of "what to do" and "what should be done". SOLUTIONS, solutions.
No wishy-washy platitudes from me.
And what kind of stupid remark is this:
"The simple truth of the matter is that two out of three registered voters in this country are NOT white males."
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WELLL...when you factor in WHITE FEMALE registered voters....the WHITES outnumber the LATINO and BLACK vote combined and most White Women still vote overwhelmingly with their White Man. Not to mention that a Great Majority of those LATINOS voted the same way WHITE MALES did in the last two elections. So what are you saying????
See this is what I'm talking about with Black Americans. You're always trying to DELUDE yourselves into thinking that all these people---Latinos, Asians, Bi-racials, etc. are in some SOLIDARITY with YOU....to do for us and our kids what we won't do for yourselves?
Just 20 years ago, African-Americans were the largest, most powerful minority group in this nation---your ancestors built this country over 500 years and left you a good LEGACY to stand on and progress from...but now you're going backwards, your numbers broken and scattered, talking all this bullshit about Ghandi and Dr. King when you really should be paying attention to what MALCOLM X said and taking yourselves as a "group" to the next level--united and focused on the well being of your own people. BUT NO...you're not even a people anymore. You let these goddamned LATINOS come here and take over your status, take over everything your ancestors built up---you try to pass them and every other slick-haired person off as black, but you don't want to be down with the real black folks. You talk all this shit about THE BLACK MAN.....but you won't give birth to one. You talk all this shit about "Mother Africa", but you can't stand the sight of a black woman. You talk all this shit about Politics.....and yet......there is NO BLACK COMMUNITY, in true reality. And it's your goddamned fault.
Because when you don't stand for SOMETHING...you fall for anything.
And that is JUST WHAT black people have been doing and are doing---not standing for anything, because they dont' want to offend or be segregated from all the other people.
You really think Mexicans and Asians and White Women give a shit about your black ass or the future of black children??? You really think they're in solidarity to help you build a better life for black people as a people???
And what about you, Rustang??? Are you planning on BEING BLACK in 100 years??? Or do you plan on becoming a fucking Mexican or a Puerto Rican or an Arab your damned self?
I don't trust your words.
The oldest religion on this earth...is MY...black ...pussy!!
I raise my children EVERY DAY, ALL DAY....and my question is this......WHEN are we Blacks going to create our own political party and start demanding what we want for BLACK citizens????
The BEST thing and the MOST POWER blacks ever had in this country......is when other folks were afraid of them because they were UNITED as "black people" and didn't give a shit about the other citizens.
Then they gave you everything you wanted--because you were a unified threat.
They RESPECTED black people and wanted to be like black people.
But look at us now.
I say Malcolm X and Marcus Garvey had MUCH BETTER plans for our people than Dr. King, and it's their ideologies that best serve US, protect US and build US. If I follow any black man...he better be cut from those cloths.
Barack Obama is a good example of the RIGHT kind of black male politician.
Maxine Waters is even better.
I'm not voting for any white bread black men whose dream is assimilation and erasure.
PERIIOD.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:07 pm: |

I too have solutions. Buy black.
Linda from Ohio
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:31 pm: |

I agree Linda.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:33 pm: |

This should turn out to be interesting.Insane rantings will accomplish nothing more than unifying the world against us.I said nothing of assimilation or anything that could taken by the wildest flight of fancy to imply that.What I said was that black people should organize and vote for their own candidate.Since I'm pushing 60 now,if the gods came down and said that I'd still be here in a hundred years,but I'd have to be a mexican,I think I'd take that deal.It's very easy,as I said,to type angry words from the privacy of your home.I suppose I should have been a little more specific about what I meant by recommendations or suggestions.I would have to qualify that with sane recommendations that have at least some probability of success. A political party is exactly what I meant.If a person's willingness to run for office under those circumstances makes him or her a 'white bread black man'automatically,what sort of party would you suggest?Do we make burning buildings down part of the platform?It is exactly that sort of raving that will be like a ball and chain to us.I discovered very early on that if I want people to treat me like someone with some sense I have to behave like someone with some sense.I can jump up and down and scream until the cows come home and all that this will get me is dismissed and marginallised,much like you,Kola.If you want different results,try different actions.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:43 pm: |

Well, Rustange, welcome aboard. You have now been officially baptized. Kola Boof has spewed you with her venomous swill, demanding that the black race rise up and do what the white people, themselves, aren't doing; controlling their future. Does she not know that America is run by a cadre of privileged white men who have no intention of sharing their power with anyone and who will flick her and all of her revolutionary rhetoric off their nose like a tse-tse fly. African Americans have become complacent because they shun carrying the burden of race of their shoulders. They prefer to fight individual battles and do their own thing. America is a nation of "haves" and "have-nots". Money is what qualifies one to be a "have" and individual financial viablity not economic equality is the name of the game. Acquiring personal monetary independence is the one thing blacks have been successful at. That's just the way it has come to be. And spare me all of the misconceptions about that elusive pipe dream of "unity". The suggestions you make sound good on paper but as somebody who has been there and done that, and who subsequently disentangled herself from all the political in-fighting and power struggles and ego-tripping and financial chicanery that bogs down "united" efforts to right wrongs, I would simply say to you that sometimes the "pen can be mightier than the sword." Especially if you have a poison pen like I do. I never encountered an accessible adversary I didn't find a way to communicate my disapproval to, be it by e-mail or fax or letters. I take these figures to task by bombarding them with attacks that explain what I don't like about their positions. And, I invariably get responses from my targets, and I can tell by the way they respond that what I put on their minds makes them uncomfortable. This gives me personal satisfaction. And, at this stage in the United States of Babylon, that's about all you can aspire for. Now you know what word "Cynique" is as variation of. LOL
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:02 am: |

Rustang and Cynique---KISS MY ASS and FUCK OFF.
And Rustang, I don't BURN down buildings, etc.
It should be clear that we have nothing to say to one another. Ever.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:06 am: |

Hey Rustang, sorry I misspelled your name in my other post. Ol Kola sounds mad. Ya think?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 08:47 am: |

You think that she's mad now?Just wait until this has run it's course.I grew up in north Georgia in the 50s and 60s. The 'good ole boys' made me very difficult to intimidate.What is clear is that we have a whole bunch of things to say to each other.If I just got pissed off and never talked to a person again every time they said something I didn't like or didn't agree with my wife and I wouldn't have spoken to each other for decades.I understand where Kola is coming from.It's perfectly natural to want to instill fear in the hearts of the people you've been scared of all of your life.Pretty childish,but perfectly natural.
Cynique,you make a point that should be emphasized at every opportunity.It is a very small handful of people that are actually responsible for the status quo.The vast majority of white people do the things that they do because they just don't know any better.They think the way that they do because that's how somebody (Rupert Murdoch)told them to think.But eventually I have to quit looking around and start looking up if I want to see who's foot that is on my neck.I would just ask black people to be a little less cynical about the direction in which things are moving for us.I remember how things were in 1960 and I see how things are now and it's just flat out better now then it was then.We aren't there yet,not by a long shot,but things are slowly getting better.Each generation has to keep the struggle alive.We have an advantage now that wasn't really the case back then.Your average white person now under the age of 30 is,generally speaking,pretty stupid.And that stupidity has reached a level of intensity that I wouldn't have thought possible.More white people in this country today believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 than don't,and that's just plain stupid.Most white people believe that the reason Iraq was invaded was for regime change,and have completely forgotten that they were told Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and that we could be attacked in as little as 45 minutes,and that they had links with Osama Bin Laden,both of which were bald-faced lies.That too is just plain stupid.White people have also forgotten that in the 80s Cheney,Rumsfeld and co. were regarded,even by the republicans,as being the lunatic fringe.Now the lunatics have taken over the asylum.We must not make the same mistakes and allow our own lunatic fringe to be the voice of a people.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:08 pm: |

Stop the presses! Can you believe it?? I agree with everything you say, Rustang. I sometimes get carried away in my retorts and say things off the top of my head, which is why in my other post I dismissed the idea of organizing for change. I have witnessed some discouraging things when blacks organize in order to combat a problem, but this was at a local level. In the past, the reason conditions improved was certainly because courageous black folks came together and stood as one against their foes. But that was the past, and this is the present. Nowadays, the bling of materialism has distracted black people from the glint of racism. They may still be second-class citizens but the irony of this is that this doesn't prevent them from leading extravagant lives. The younger generation isn't interested in social change; they're interested in socializing.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 08:32 pm: |

Ahhh! This is refreshing...Cynique and Rustang...a real topic that I am interested in. For years I have been saying some of these same things to my friends who end up as we just witnessed four posts ago...mad!
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:09 pm: |

Yeah,people often say things 'off the cuff' that they don't really mean.Everybody does it every now and then.That's why I don't really pay a lot of attention to what folks say after a certain point.My wife and I do it,not as often as we used to,but it still comes up.Say things that we don't really mean,that is.Materialism(another name for greed)does seem to have distracted the young brothers and sisters.Sadly,it's just another pie in the sky,because real wealth is still completely unavailable in any real sense.If I point that out to them,they'll say something about Shaq or Michael Jordan making X number of millions per year,and I say what about the guy that's writing that check for X number of millions just to have his team beat his cousin's team?That's kind of a whole 'nother level of wealth,wouldn't you say?That's when they get angry.Wealth is not measured in dollars,it's measured in power.The bottom line is that we need to formulate a clear and precise image of what the end result of the changes we seek will look like in the real world.The path from here to there is much easier to chart than the one from here to 'somewhere better' than here.We can dodge many of the potential mistakes that litter the trail if we recognize them.We CAN get organized and we CAN bring about the changes required to make the world better for everyone.I do not buy into the idea of one race,or group or cadre or whatever dominating another,and I do not want to exchange one oppressor for another,whatever the color of his skin.I believe that I can be me and let you be you and we can get along with each other without one of us needing to be the boss-man.This can be accomplished by true democracy,which hasn't been seen on this planet for thousands of years,and by practising the lofty principles which are so easily spoken,like compassion,caring,honesty,integrity,social responsibility and self-sacrifice,yet seem to be so elusive in my,and that of many others,day to day life.This board seems like a wonderfully useful format in which we can keep chipping away at the hatred,greed and ignorance that has been poisoning the spirit of humanity almost since day one.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:22 pm: |

Well, Rustang, no one could ever accuse you of not being an idealist. What you describe sounds like a prescription for Utopia. But, - no harm in dreaming.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 08:52 am: |

Guilty as charged.I think it was Emerson that said that,in order to be happy a person only needs three things.Something to love,something to do and something to dream.It's been my experience that this was a pretty accurate statement.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 09:38 am: |

The grand essentials in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.
Joseph Addison
Thanks to you, Rustang, I looked this up. GREAT quote!
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 10:58 am: |

Rustang:
So when does your candidacy start?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 11:15 am: |

In regard to your quote, Rustang, happiness is a heightened elation that can be measured in moments. But - the world does need its dreamers! Me, I opt for the serenity that comes from accepting the things I cannot change. The world also needs its pragmatics.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 09:42 am: |

Here's my idea of one solution, inspired by Chris's joke but in all seriousness: Do run. Run run run for office. Or get behind someone running who you believe in. Or otherwise be more active as a delegate, etc.
But at the LOCAL level.
It is amazing to me how easy it is to run for and win some local offices: school boards, city councils, etc. For years I would wonder about all those names running uncontested on my ballots. For years I never participated in local primaries. All that is about to change.
Not that I'm about to run for anything right now. But I have come to recognize how power builds on power--And these fools who magically appear on school boards, voting to outlaw the teaching of evolution and Kwanzaa and whatnot, are building their base one little office at a time...
Kola, take a breath and come on back here, girl. I'll give one other solution you might be able to get behind: Raise (at least) one strong, intelligent Black child. "Parent" by giving birth, adopting (formally or informally), fostering, volunteering in your local school, writing regularly to a young person in prison... Make a commitment to a Black child and keep it for the rest of your life.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 10:16 am: |

That's the guy.Joseph Addison.I knew I had read that somewhere.Sometimes things get a blurry upstairs.On the serious side,I wouldn't make an acceptable candidate myself.I had to quit school in the 8th grade to get a job.Would I vote for someone with a solid 7th grade education?I think not.I would be a solid supporter of a better qualified black candidate,though,as long as I didn't see a D or an R next to their name.To Yvettep,I would say excellent idea.I have one daughter.She was a straight A student throughout school and graduated in the top 2% of her class from the University of Texas.Her life experience has been of an entirely different nature than mine,and for that I am truly grateful,pleased and very,very proud of her.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 01:28 pm: |

rustang: many of the people that transformed the US during the civil rights movement were illiterate, the marchers, the various people throughout the south participating in local movements...Martin Luther King was the face and voice for a segment of the movement, but he was not the movement....Also, fannie lou hamer did not have much education...education doesn't translate into an understanding of the politics. Part of King's and Malcolm's genius was there ability to expression the beliefs and experiences of the folk. Malcolm was self-educated, unlike KIng who earned a ph.d.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 02:07 pm: |

There is a rumor going around...it is that the "younger generation" doesn't believe in organizing or isn't organizing...
I think the rumor should die!
There are many organizations established by the "younger generation." During the civil rights movement that people love to talk about, only a small segment of the population actually participated in the movement...most folk were afraid to directly challenge racism. Consider the number of blacks who attended the March on Washington and then determine what percent of the black population them represented, for example. Although spirtuality was part of the movement, many churches, as King pointed out, did not participate in the movement. So clearly, those willing to go against the grain have always been few...
Also, the world has changed, so identifying one's second class citizenship is difficult to illustrate, and racism is more difficult to pinpoint, so that for many people racism is the past. Many blacks have said so, and consequently claim that blacks' second class citizenship is their own fault, because of laziness, etc...They--like our favorite American father Bill Cosby use black youth drop out rates, crime statistics, single parent homes, and teenage pregnancies or like our favorite Indian conservative Dinesh D'Souza, who has a chapter in his book, Whats So Great About America, has a chapter titled, Reparations Fallacy: What African Americans Owe American--even use evidence to do so.
Consequently(and this was also the case with the civil rights movement, which begain before Rosa Parks as we know or should know) unless something dramatic occurs that shows racis in action and opposition to it, any grassroots movements, young or old, that are working in local and national levels will primarily remain untelevised, unpublicized, and unknown--absent from public knowledge.
Rosa Parks was not the first person to resist jim crow laws on buses; her case was not even the first of its kind, but we all know this...nor was the Montgomery BUs Boycott the first of its kind...the socalled successes of the Brown v. Board catapulted the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
In this sense, we seem to conflate what we see on television and the street, ie materialist hip hop artists and their faux-representatives in the streets, with what most or all black youth, or the younger generation as some of you say, is or is not doing.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 02:33 pm: |

Exactly ANCESTRY.
Despite the fact that I've published 6 books in 8 countries...originally written in Arabic....people keep complaining "She's had NO formal education whatsoever---why should we listen to her?"
But somehow, the grass roots "black folk" keep my books selling like hot cakes and Israel's former Prime Minister Netanyahu has named me one of the 10 women in the world that he most admires. Other brilliant men like Derrick Bell, Joe Madison, Nigerian Scholar Chinweizu and Keith Boykin are close friends of mines, and have also publicly stated their admiration of my work and my activism.
Yet, these new fangle ALL AMERICAN blacks who FORGET that SLAVES, not free blacks, wrote the first black literature, poetry and non-fiction in this country----dare say that I'm too "uneducated" to be READ and LISTENED TO.
I agree with your entire post.....however, here in California, I am not privvy to the type of YOUNG CONSCIOUS BLACKS you speak of. Out here---the black youth is mainly interested in being SOMEONE ELSE and upholding other cultures and their sruggles. I'm quite annoyed and ashamed with the Black Youth in California.....ESPECIALLY the educated, college attending ones. YUCK
But when I went on tour last summer...I DID encounter very passionate, intelligent BLACK YOUTH in cities like Memphis, Detroit, Washington, D.C. and Houston. They were very mobilized, organized and supplied me with very heated debates---they came to understand me and are inspired by my own books.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 02:56 pm: |

Rustang, to be a grade school drop-out and to be able to express your ideas in writing as well as you do is a testament to something I've always believed. You have an innate gift that hasn't been corrupted by "education" - you naturally possess a creative and intellectual talent that all of the colleges degrees in the world can't buy. You sound like a wordly person who benefited from experience being your best teacher and you learned your lessons well. You are a member of a vanishing breed, and I give you mucho props!
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 03:01 pm: |

What she said.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 03:13 pm: |

Ancestry, I want to believe what you say about the younger generation. I just wish I could see some significant signs of it. The older generation may be influenced by the stereotypes proliferated by the media - but the young people, themselves, buy into these images and end up emulating them, thereby making them self-fulfilling prophesies. As for racism, I don't think any black adult believes that it doesn't still exist. It has just been institutionalized, something too abtract for many young people are to detect because they're so focused on the tangibles.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 03:49 pm: |

Yvette,
I don't disagree with anything that RUSTANG said.
But my point REMAINS this:
It does no good to have VOTING POWER, material wealth and possessions, social standing, ORGANIZATION........any of that...
...if at the core of your being--you don't like and value yourself, your people and your children.
NOW LISTEN TO WHAT I TELL YOU----
.....when you get around people who DO like and value themselves---they have a great advantage, and the 1960's INTEGRATION in which 36 million Negroes were set loose to cohabitate fully with their White Oppressor is concrete proof of that.
Nothing is wrong with integration, mind you--but the people have to be of EQUAL humanity in order to cohabitate and build an EQUAL society.
This much denied fact REMAINS the root of our UNDOING in both Africa and the WEST, the #1 problem within our people is that we put EVERYTHING, politically and personally, IN FRONT of this underlying disease.....DENYING IT.....the disease of our people's COMMITTMENT to Self-Destruction and Self-Loathing.
And until we make a concerted effort to CONFRONT this sickness in our masses-----NO AMOUNT of voting rights, financial materialism, ownership or Public Title of Office is going to change our position as the lowest on the totem pole.
And that opinion, whether it's dirt or not, is from an African mother.
Blacks have DENIED this issue since Wallace Thurman, Jean Toomer and Marcus Garvey raised it in the early 1920's---they conveniently ignore that Malcolm X, Toni Morrison, Alice Walker and countless BLACK WOMEN raised it for a New Generation in this last era. And it continues to undo any and everything else that we accomplish.
It is not INSANE RANTING...it is the reality.
A bird that bites itself and starves itself cannot fly for very long. And Black People are ATROCIOUS with self-hatred and hatred for their own race.
ABSOLUTELY "pregnant" with it.
We are focusing on the MATERIAL-Political forces in Society..........and ignoring the Mental, Spiritual and Sociological ones, which are far more important.
WE...as a people....are UNHEALTHY, deformed and NOT EQUAL, because of our refusal to attend our mind and spirits and to acknowledge the full humanity of the fully black. Until we redeem Africa---we gain nothing. And as I often tell high bred middle class Black Americans who don't want to hear what I have to say:
"Don't look back---the past is gaining on you."
There is something wrong with "US"---not the other races.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 04:23 pm: |

Yawn. Now our vampire Kola is doing double duty as an oracle, predicting what will happen if we don't heed her dire warnings. Believe me, in the tide of human affairs, things are going to run their course in America. Social change will inevitably come and it will not be devastating, it will just have a different face. That's the way of the world. Those strident voices extolling what they believe to be true, need to be aware that there is the truth, and then there is the whole truth. It's like when the 3 blind men touched an elephant; one described it has having a tail, the other claimed it had tusks, and the last one insisted that it had rough skin.... Now, discuss among yourselves while Cynique goes back to contemplating her navel. Ohmmmmmmmm.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 05:06 pm: |

cynique: The essence of what I stated is that you will not see "signs" because racism is covert and that there aren't many issues that have both mobilized black people nationally and received enough attention that it would be considered news worthy. I used the Civil Rights MOvement to make the point that the movement was there BEFORE BRown v. Board and the Montgomery BUs Boycott. This history, like the "younger generations" activism that doesn't receive national or even the black mainstream (as separate from the main, main stream[read white mainstream]), is often silent until historians or journalists tell the story.
Also, when I said that racism was the past, I meant that black people--not just black youth--are in the conditions they're in in inspite of racism. You give too much credit to your generation. It is clear that all ages are victims of materialism and focusing on the tangibles. Remember, it was the students (Youth) not the NAACP (older generation) that made the civil rights movement a mass movement.
BTW, in this month's Ebony, there is a listing of black movers and shakers 30yrs. and younger. Some are activists....
What about the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights? The executive director Van Jones is 36. Check the webpage: http://www.ellabakercenter.org/index.html
Kola, its actually based in San Francisco.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 05:38 pm: |

Yes, anchestry, my dear. I know, I know. I also know that you are probably young enough to be my grand child. I have lived the civic rights movement all of my life. I have seen things come and go, and come and go and come and go... That's sadly why I've become apathetic. And I am well aware that the affliction of materialism is not exclusive to young blacks. I always direct my criticism to the black race in general.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 05:45 pm: |

No Cynique.
KOLA...like everyone else here is giving her opinion, in her voice.
I have not PROHIBITED YOU from speaking..so I'd appreciate it if you stopped trying to claim that I don't have a right to express what my opinion is.
You can take your oracle and stick that up your crusty ass.
I already told you point blank---FUCK U Bitch.
YOU AND I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO EACH OTHER.
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And ANCESTRY....36 is not Black Youth to me. I am 36 to 38 myself.
I'm talking about 16 to 24, when I say young people.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 06:05 pm: |

Well, then stop talkin to me, Kola kunt-face. I didn't direct my posts to you. And I ain't trying to prohibit you from speakin. You provide grist for my mill. Just wish you'd come up with some new material. So go fuck, yourself, you hermaphrodite. 36-38. Yeah, right.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 06:15 pm: |

Yeah, I bet you WISH you could be HALF the "hermaphrodite" your mother and I are, Chiclet-teeth.
And unlike YOU....I don't have to "fuck myself". Plenty of men---like your sons and husband----CAN'T WAIT to do it.
And that's just your damned problem, Red Ant. You need a decent fuck--or atleast some Phone sex---since you probably don't want to have to take off your DEPENDS DIAPERS in front of nobody or let them see that rolling liver slivers you call tits. Aint that right Old Pissy one?
You're ALL TALK bitch and you know it.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 06:35 pm: |

FROM CYNIQUE'S HONEYMOON:
She had her head up her ass looking for where her hubby fell in at.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 06:40 pm: |

One thing I WILL SAY for old Mama Linda, Cynique.
She sure fucked up the back of your NECK and EARS with that straightn'n comb.
YOU BEEN A MAD RED BITCH EVER SINCE, ain't CHOO old YELLER?
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 07:11 pm: |

One really have to wonder about somebody who has a collection of pictures like you do, Kola Boof. They are funny, though. And what does that mean, "I'm all talk." What else would I be on this board? I do admit, however, that in person I sure wouldn't take on a troll like you in a fight. And after thinkin about it, I have decided that the other posters on this board shouldn't have to be subjected to all of this ridiculous garbage. I'm signing off. Feel free to say anything you want about any subject. I'm sure some folks agree with your rants. Plus, I've actually really run out of things to say about you... except that you're really easy to provoke. Kinda like a baboon in the wild. heh-heh.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 07:32 pm: |

Don't start None.
Won't BE NONE.
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God bless you and I wish you all the best.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 11:53 pm: |

Rustang: I am ready and willing to join when the political party you suggest is formed. I also suggest it wont be anytime soon like Cynique states. What I do now is rally behind black candidates with my support by voting and telling many folks about the candidate. On election day I worked from the time I voted until the polls closed. Since I was in Ohio and a key state..well I wont rehash that whole peice ::sigh:: But I do agree we need change. The Revolution WIll Not Be Televised
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 11:58 pm: |

That sure got real mean real quick.I have always believed that everyone should speak what's in their heart.I appreciate the kind words from all of you about my not having formal education.I've always been a little embarrassed about that.I'm also glad to see Kola back in this.I don't apologize for what I might have said,but I could have said it in a much kinder way,and for that,I do apologize.You make a very good point about the feelings of being 'less than' that seems to exist to a startling degree in the black community.I used to wonder why that was and had to overcome it within my own spirit.It became clear to me that when the very institutions of a society are telling a group,both overtly and covertly,that they just plain don't stack up,having it start to seep into one's soul and distort their map of reality to some extent is really unavoidable.I found myself compensating for for deep-seated feelings of inferiority with all sorts of odd behaviors.Everything from excessive bluster to avoiding interaction of any sort until I awakened to the obvious facts of my existence.I am simply what I am.The same intrinsic value possessed by others is also within me.No better than others,no worse.I have strong points and weak points just like everyone else.Then I was able to give myself permission to be human.I could do that with or without the approval of others,as long as I am able to look myself in the eye at the end of the day and say with a straight face and an open heart that I have done nothing to be ashamed of all day.Getting myself right will go a long way towards allowing me to do my part in helping the world around me be right.The various schools of Zen thought have a number of methods to facilitate realization the student.One is strikingly similar to Kola's.A startlingly blunt style that shocks the student into a deeper understanding.It isn't a method that I use,but do not take that to mean that I believe it to be inferior or that there's anything wrong with it.Wake up calls are often made with alarming sounds.I sure am glad that I found this place and the people in it.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 12:42 am: |

As I said, RUSTANG, I don't disagree with anything you've said.
But you are a MALE. I am a mother of black sons.
As a mother and wombbearer....I am more responsible for imparting "heritage" and "strong sense of self-love" in my sons so that they have the CONFIDENCE, self-respect and VISION to accomplish what they set out to do.
And I see that in America....this is so incredibly difficult to do with black children. The WHOLE SOCIETY hates blackness---even the blacks over here!!! That is my point, King.
And the vast majority of BLACK MEN in positions of power set only the worst examples, they ENCOURAGE self-hate and self-destruction under the guise that it's "cool", they discourage loyalty and identification with any kind of Black Nationalism (which you NEEED to have in a foreign land)....and here in California where I live, they encourage the genetic ERASURE of our people.
There are many Black Politicians out here asking for my vote---they're all married to white women and could give a damn about "black people or black futures". All they want is to get their names in the history book, live in White neighborhoods and take pride in their green-eyed, pink-veined little stuck up Half White Mulatto bastards----WHO, according to their White mothers----are NOT BLACK children.
I had to pull my sons out of a bi-racial child's birthday party (this is the same snot faced boy who asked my sons why their hair was "like that"---he doesn't seem to notice his own Daddy's hair is "like that", too) ....but alas, I pulled my sons from the birthday party because his White Mother....got mad that I referred to her son as "black".....and had given him a stack of Sports Cards that only had BLACK athletes in the stack--Joe Louis, Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali and so on.
This woman comes at me with her impotent blue eyes--her quivering pink mouth informing me with a tick quality: "Please don't call my son black---he's bi-racial. And I noticed there's not a single white man in those Sports Cards. My son is Half White Man if you hadn't noticed."
I told my kids in Arabic---"Get up and return home at once!"
What does this Caucasoid bitch think I am, a nigger?
Some INGREDIENT for a salad? To be discarded or ADDED whenever it's convenient for HER RACE of swine?
So you see, Rustang---I'm in agreement with you, but I don't vote for White Bread Black American people.
I look very closely at what they're saying and then if they are FOR US.....I invest.
And when people like me invest---we bring all the riches of the WHOLE DAMNED VILLAGE. As they say in my country: "So let it be written/so let it be done."
As for EDUCATION----the African woman has a saying:
"Comfort follows the son that has motherwit and common sense."
These two are at the root of all real genius.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 12:48 am: |

Rustang, are you a student of Zen?? And does your screen name have anything to do with - Mustang?
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 01:07 am: |

Rustang, I own a classic Mustang.
It's quite gorgeous.
That's why I was suspicious of your intentions when you popped in right after my appearance at the Airport.
I thought you might have been one of those "admirers" coming to play footsies online or something.
BUT
so far, so good.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 10:08 am: |

What I am a student of is the spirit of humanity.I have studied Zen,along with a lot of other things.There is a wealth of useful instruction to found in the earliest writings of any religion.The capsulized version would be that every so often throughout history a person will come along and they see something a little more clearly than the average person.They try to comunucate this insight to the people around them,mostly unsuccessfully.But eventually one of their new followers will get around to writing the things down that person is trying to show them,and a new religion starts to spring up.The founder of that religion did not intend for this to happen.He did not set out and say to himself "I will start a new religion".He was only trying to share his insights with the people that he came across.People like Gautama,Lao Tzu,the prophet Mohammed(peace be on his name)Bodhidharma,Jesus,Dogen,etc....You will find common threads running throughout the teachings of all of these folks,once you shed the religious formalities that were later attached to their teachings.I think that they all saw the same thing and the differences of the respective religions are cultural additions that start coming into play about 50 years after the last person that actually knew the founder died.Just my two cents worth on that.
Restoring classic mustangs and Shelbys is what I do for a living.I had no idea that you had one,Kola.I can honestly say that the first time in my life that I heard your name was when I stumbled across this site.Not real sure which airport your talking about.There are several in this country.I'm not in here trying to drum up any business.I have more than I can do as it is.If a person is actually looking around for a mustang,and I happen to have one that is what that person is looking for,they will find me all by themselves,along with a whole bunch of other folks with similar cars.My only reason for being here is the exchange of ideas,plain and simple,and at this point it seems highly unlikely that I would ever actually meet any of you face to face.Not real sure about what you mean by 'playing footsies' by I can assure you that this is a game that I have absolutely no interest in playing with anyone other than my wife.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 10:23 am: |

Good answer, Rustang.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 10:59 am: |

Kola,
I agree it is foolhardy for Blacks to expect solidarity with any others UNLESS our best interests match (though, even then, we should remain circumspect).
But you unfairly blame us for the recent Latino invasion.
The growing Hispanic presence throughout much of this country is a geographically inevitability that’s being buoyed by the (mostly White) wealthy class who view all of us – Black, Latino and even most Whites – to be mere classes of human fodder for fueling their economic empires.
But you ain’t seen NOTHING yet. ‘Cause the really ‘fun part’ will occur within the next 20 – 40 year when most of us White collar, intellectual types (White/Black alike) are replaced by Chinese and Eastern Indians.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 12:43 pm: |

Gee, Rustang, I don't think anyone is under the impression that you are here for any reason other than that to discuss ideas. No caveats are necessary. As for religion, I am very much in sync with the Nicherian branch of Zen. And I have been surprisingly placated by something one Zen Master once said to the effect that the answer to what the meaning of life is, is: "woo." I was strangely able to accept that because it implies that there is an anwer to this mind-boggling question and that answer is - "woo." And are you saying that Jesus wasn't trying to start a new religion? Maybe not. But you gotta hand it to his Disciples. They did a pretty good job of marketing an image that would ensure his longevity.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 12:59 pm: |

NO....ABM.
ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL.....the Black community broke apart....for the first time a new Black Middle Class referred to poor blacks as "ghetto" and turned their backs on them to form solidarity with Whites, Latinos and Republicans...gang warfare, drug culture, self-hatred and HOPELESSNESS begat Hip Hop culture and the growing divides between Black Men and Black Women, Light Skin Vs. Dark Skin.....all this bullshit HINDERED the birth of "black children" and created a national DIS-Unity among blacks.
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20 years ago, the Black Population in California was 18%. Now it's 6%.
Through Black Intermarriage and the Black women packing up and leaving the state because they couldn't find mates----there were no significant numbers of BLACK children born, and for the first time in California history, more "bi-racial" children were born than Black ones. In fact, Black Children were the LEAST born of any race. These new Bi-racial people of Non-Black Mothers do not consider themselves "black" and are HIGHLY REPUBLICAN.
Just read articles about the Black Republicans of RIVERSIDE COUNTRY or read about WARD CONNELLY---a powerful black politician who doesn't want his children calling themselves "black".
Black Females birth rates have dropped 15% from what they were in 1978. And when the black women DO have babies....they find themselves stuck with the Highest Fatherless Children Statistic in HUMAN HISTORY....70% of black children in the U.S. being raised by Single Black Mothers.
The Latinos are now 60% of California Population and are GROWING in many other states! They STICK TOGETHER, they speak in their own language, they RETAIN their own culture and they have LOTS of babies.
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In 1805, the U.S. Black Population was 25%
In 2005, it is 13%
In the 1920's, Black Americans owned 2,786 movie thetaures...1,499 hotels......5,878 restaurants.
In 2005, Magic Johnson is the SOLE Black movie theature owner with 28 screens.
Blacks now own only 11 Hotels in this country and 1,890 restaurants.
69% of BLACK MILLIONAIRES, both male and female, are married to WHITE people. Their money pumps into the WHITE middleclass...NOT the black community.
All that money Diana Ross and Diahann Carroll make/made is funneling back into the hands of WHITE FOLKS. Look at the MILLIONS that Kobe Bryant invested in ITALY. Look at the MILLIONS that black male celebrities pay each year in child support to White Women and their Families...forget about P.Diddy....let's talk about Michael Jordan's 5 million dollar White Mistress (who also gets support from another NBA player for another child), let's talk about Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson and Dr. Dre and KOFI ANNAN and all these RICH BLACK FOLK whose money is tied up in WHITE infrastructure.
DONNA SUMMER'S DAUGHTER BY WHITE MAN:
Sidney Poitier's Daughter who only DATES WHITE MEN
LIONEL RICHIE'S ADOPTED WHITE DAUGHTER:
HERE....WITH HER WHITE BOYFRIEND:
JERMAINE JACKSON With HIS SON WHO LOOKS
PURE 100% MEXICAN:
KOBE BRYANTS WIFE AND CHILD (talk about
GENETIC castration!):
DIANA ROSS:
ALL THIS "BLACK WEALTH"---BILLIONS---funneling right back into the hands of the White People.
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WE ARE NOT STICKING TOGETHER.
Your ancestors were required to work 18 hours a day...6 days a week....WITHOUT PAY....for 400 years.
And now more than half the wealth of Black Americans goes to WHITE people.
People can put down OPRAH all day long, but at least HER MILLIONS are funneled back into BLACK HANDS, both in the U.S. and in Africa.
Yet here we are, talking all this "my brown brother" bullshit, "my white brother", "my white sister"......and all the while, our own communities are busted up and steadily falling apart.
All because we're TOO GOOD to live our lives being "a color"-----oh, the limitations, we claim-----we just can't see ourselves united in the way that MEXICANS are in California or the way that the KOREANS and ETHIOPIANS unite, build wealth and are RICH IMMIGRANTS living in their own little comfortable,happy worlds.
NOOOOO, no no.......WE have to be "human beings" (meaning, anything but black). We have to prance and dance for acceptance OUTSIDE our own reality.
We don't leave our black children SHIT, but confusion and displacement.
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AS LAURYN HILL SANG: "What happened to all
we used to be?"
WHY DO WE HATE BLACK CHILDREN SO MUCH THAT
WE'D RATHER HAVE A MEXICAN OR WHITE CHILD?
WHY IS THIS COUPLE SO "INFERIOR" IN THE MINDS
OF BLACK HUMAN BEINGS?
WHERE IS THE CONVICTION OF OUR CLAIMS?
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HOW CAN A CREATURE THIS BEAUTIFUL....A
CREATURE THIS GODLY
REFUSE TO GIVE BIRTH TO HIS OWN IMAGE?
REFUSE TO RULE HIS WORLD....REFUSE TO SEE
HIS OWN CHILDREN COME INTO THE WORLD WITH THE
LIKENESS OF HIMSELF?
WHAT KIND OF SICK, SORRY MOTHERFUCKERS WOULD
KILL THEIR OWN MOTHERSEED AND THEN CLAIM TO
BE HUMAN BEINGS????
You think I'm a Crazy, Nut-job African Lady.
One day you will listen to me...but it will be too late.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 01:06 pm: |

SO YES WE HAVE, my love.
It's WE who let these Latinos just waltz in here and take over everything it took YOUR ANCESTORS 400 years to build.
You didn't see Black People getting in the Gov.'s ass about those WIDE OPEN BORDERS did you?
No---we wanted our "brown brothers" to pour in by the millions.
Now they can get a BANK LOAN quicker than you can say "Buenos diaz".
They can get NAACP scholarships.
The U.S. Gov. SPENDS MILLIONS to print signs and all government forms in THEIR LANGUAGE----out here in California, they don't even have to learn English if they don't want to.
Out here in California, BLACKS are turned away from Jobs because they aren't BILINGUAL.
God knows that I don't have anything against the LATINOS----they are doing what they are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING----they are sticking together, Voting as a BLOCK for those who support them, building their communities (the strongest in the U.S.)....and they are taking back CALIFORNIA, which is rightfully theirs in the first place.
But BLACKS are not taking care of business worth shit.
And it is OUR FAULT.
Every race I see in this land knows how to build a future for its children but OURS.
OUR FUTURE is to become IMITATIONS of them.
I've said enough.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 01:08 pm: |

Kola,
Ever considered a career as a pornographer? You kinda have an eye for it.
Hehe!
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 01:46 pm: |

Poster Shannelysa offers some beneficial data about the hazards of smoking, info which, concidentally, applies not only to cigarettes but to color envy.
She states:
"One good reason to quit being obsesssed with people lighter than you. You’ll have more money if you give up hating when you could be putting your time to better use. Of course, quitting also protects you from debilitating illness that can cost even more in the long run.
"Speaking of debilitating – believe it or not hating men who consort with women lighter than you can have a profound, negative effect on a your love life. In addition to making you smell bad, affecting your breathing, and wrinkling your skin, detesting black men who prefer light-skinned women can destroy blood vessels, especially tiny blood vessels, which can impede your sex life.
"Color obsession has been linked directly to sexual dysfunction in Sudanese-American women, and it's believed to have a similar effect in half-Arab women. One noted urologist, speaking on the news program 60 Minutes, said when he sees a a woman like this ranting, he wonders when -- not if -- she will experience erectile dysfunction.
"Studies show that envious people in general don’t live as long as well-adjusted people.
"Yelling about the superiority of one's own skin color makes its biggest assault on the lungs. People with Chronic Obstructed Pulmonary Disease or Emphysema often end up on oxygen and cannot live a normal life. Many can't walk a few feet without having to sit down and try to catch their breath. Cancer that starts in the lungs of many smokers can often have devastating effects, spreading throughout the body to involve the liver, kidneys, bones, and brain."
BTW, I know my mother Cynique will appreciate my being concerned about the well-being of others. Moms is such a wonderful humanitarian.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:20 pm: |

Pandora aka Cynique---
I don't ENVY your pastey-faced White grandchildren or your beautiful corn bread colored flesh or.....take up concern with the fact that you think WHITE PEOPLE invented ROCK 'N ROLL on their own and all the rest of your suburban Sauerkraut upbringing and musings----mealy mouthed RED BONE bitch.
I'm not a nigger....LIKE YOU.
I'm BETTER than you.
Yeah, yuh.
I love MY KIND and want to see them prosper in this world and to EXIST....as God made them first, in the image of GOD which is us, the Africans, the Blacks, to be and to be with passion.
Something a two bit WHYYY--N--CH like you wouldn't relate with.
MOTHERS LIKE YOU....who don't even know that Black Americans invented ALL MUSIC in the United States....ALLL OF IT.
Anything not invented by Black Americans in American music is EUROPEAN and is FROM Europe...not America.
Bach and Handle and all those men are EUROPEANS---they didn't create any music over here.
The White American has not invented ANY MUSIC in this country---all American music is BLACK MUSIC.
And you really want to get on it...so is all SPANISH 3rd world Music, Brazilian.....ALL OF IT...is African music, from Black People.
Now I tell you what, Pandora---you take your MOTHER this plate of shit, cause it's hot out of a MULE's ass just like she likes it.
I told you AND your mother to step the fuck off bothering me.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |

So, as I was saying, you are an obsessed victim of color envy. BTW, my moms says to tell you that Country and Western music does not have black roots. It came from early Scotch-Irish settlers trying to duplicate the sound of bagpipes on their fiddles. Something a foreign carpetbagger like you wouldn't know
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:38 pm: |

Right on Miss Kola!
Your thread with the photos touched my heart, beautiful lady. You make a lot of sense, although I expect many people won't want to be hearing it.
We need more black mothers with your knowledge and devotion to our people.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:38 pm: |

KOLA!
whew
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:48 pm: |

Did anyone else see the character FIDDLER in the movie "ROOTS"???
Does anyone else realize that in the 1600's, 1700's and 1800's.....the FIDDLE and BAG PIPES were played more by American SLAVES on southern slave plantations than by all the white caps in Scotland combined???
And that the SCOTISH did not immigrate here until.....when was it?
So, Pandora, just inform your crusty MOTHER that once again----she DONT know shit.
Country and Western "shit-kickers" music is nothing but WHITE APPALACHIANS and HILLBILLIES and DIXIECRATS copying their Black Slaves and their progeny. You hear it in the call and response of the lyrics---the attempts at Gospel moaning---the whole damned thing is STOLEN from black people.
Whites have not created ANY MUSICAL FORM in the United States.
IT..>ALLLLL...comes from MY BLACK BABIES.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:53 pm: |

Hearing what Kola has to say is one thing, having her contemptuous pontificating constantly jammed down your throat is another thing and it reeks with hate and obsession.I would think that someone who takes on the screen name of "evangelist" would discern the demonic undertones of her posts. Jeeze.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 02:59 pm: |

Since you don't know when the Scot-Irish immigrated here, then shut up. Just one more thing proving you don't know what you're talking about. That's cause your mind is clouded by COLOR ENVY. heh-heh.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 03:10 pm: |

Padora.
Why is she posting tributes to Audre Lorde and Jean Toomer if she has a problem with color?
What I see is that for generations, we have allowed darker skinned people to be marginalized and hated. Now that that the issue is being drug out into the open, a lot of lighter people scream "color envy" rather than acknowledge that this country favors lightness.
I don't condone Kola's shock-therapy pronouncements, but I do see enormous clarity in her points.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 03:41 pm: |

Well, Evangelist, my mother Cynique, in her quiet gentle voice >>wink-wink<<, has made the observation that there are millions of dark-skinned African Americans who are proud of their color and are secure and comfortable enough in their skin to not feel the need to scornfully put down those who are of a lighter shade than they. "Secure" is the operative word here because only someone who is envious and frustrated resorts to the extreme obsessive type of behavior that sends Kola into a manical frenzy. And the fact that Kola vacillates and sucks-up to light-skinned people in one breath and then scourages their heritage is the next breath really says something about her stability and how she secretly feels about color. Incidentally, in his later life Jean Toomer became very color-conscious and turned away from his black roots, choosing to embrace his white ones.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 04:29 pm: |

I disagree with you Pandora.
I have not seen Kola that way at all. I am very dark skinned and secure with it and I completely identify with her rage and her expression of it.
Light skinned people have had private social clubs, Lemon Cities and brown paper bag tests for generations and have been far more scornful of us "darkies" than Kola has in a few meager posts.
I see her rage as similar to what blacks express against whites after being unfairly treated for so long. I also see her claiming the light skinned as her own in the same breath that she insults their privileages. It's clear to me that her tributes to Jean Toomer and Audre Lorde were quite loving and heartfelt. You can't fake that.
I don't think you read her posts with much insight, but that's just my opinion, and as you pointed out, you and your mother have a lot of Scottish ancestry, so you are probably a great deal more offended than I am.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 04:50 pm: |

Evangelist, BLESS YOU for saying all that.
You're 100% right.
And welcome to the board, my King.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 05:42 pm: |

Evangelist, I never said I had any Scottish ancestry. That blatant assumption would seem to prove that you aren't reading my posts with any insight. Furthermore, if you identify with Kola, then understand that there are light-skinned people who identify with me and who find your hostile attitudes offensive. And riddle me this. If you harbor rage against white and light-skinned people because you believe that they command extra privileges, then you'd need to realize that such resentment is the first cousin of ENVY. So cast your stones elswhere. The next time you conduct a revival, Evangelist, you need to encourage all African Americans, no matter what their color, to exercise tolerance. Something our Sudanese import has very little of. And this is what my momma Cynique told me to say.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 05:52 pm: |

AAAAWWWWW
what's wrong, Pandora?
Mommy Cynique TOO BUSY to come to the PC and post her own messages?
WELL I'M NOT SURPRISED
AT ALL.
I HEAR HER NEW PETS HAVE GOT HER ALL WORN OUT
LIKE YOU SAID......She's such a "Humanitarian"
And everybody's SO JEALOUS of her color.
____________
Tell that bitch I said "Watch the teeth"
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:00 pm: |

Nope, Cynique is right here on the case, back from the store, laughing to myself at how your perspsecitve is so skewed that you think Evangelist is a man. What a ding bat.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:06 pm: |

The dog in the first pciture looked just like you, Kola. Amazing!
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:07 pm: |

Well since he posted his REAL NAME on my board by accident...Miss Cynique la Freak....I guess I'm not such a ding bat AFTER ALL.
And after walking all the way to the store and back, I hope you put some lotion on those ashy ass bare feet, you damned WINO.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:11 pm: |

NO, between the two of us....I think you look more like a dog.
CYNIQUE:
KOLA:
You better get in that kitchen and stir up some KIBBLES AND BITS for you man, bitch.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:15 pm: |

Like I said CYNIQUE......after walking barefoot to the store and back, I hope you put some lotion on those ashy feet of yours, you damned WINO.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:19 pm: |

With all due respect to the good righteous brother all I gotta say is EULAH??????
And you really think those pictures of you grinning like a hyena on crack who presssed its face against a window are cute. Po thang. And the thing is, those mug shots are really you as oppposed to the ones you took from your adopted family's album and are trying to pass off as me. ROTFLMAO Use a little imagination, dork girl.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:29 pm: |

No, Cynique...
I belong to an ONLINE photo club with your husband.
He gives me the pictures in exchange for a little PHONE CONVO.
He'd try to tap your custard but since you started the DEPENDS DIAPERS, he says you got RASH and BOOTY SCAB BURN. No more Pooonie-poonie.
And if I look like a Grinning Hyena---it sure hasn't handicapped me when it comes to getting what I want and NEEEEED from the opposite sex.
God bless them.
You're just mad because YOU started a fight....and I'm finishing it.
GODDAMN WINO
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:33 pm: |

That white sister with the DOGS is your husband's mistress, so you'd better get TESTED.
And the best FLEA BATH, since you been scratching lately, is the Industrial Strength GREEN BOTTLE. You know......the one they sent home with you after your hysterectomy at the hospital.
MEMBER DAT CRUELLA?
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:36 pm: |

RECOGNIZE THIS M.F. CYNIQUE?
Uhn-hu. Thought you would.
Miss..TILL DEATH DO US PART.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:48 pm: |

Too bad you can't do anything better than post pictures of ugly strangers that look like white versions of you. I don't have to rely on pictures to try and get over. All I got to do is say one sentence: You are a stupid-looking geek.
Gotta go. More important things to do.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 06:50 pm: |

Yeah.....RUN OLD YELLER.
RUN for the hills.
Because you started some shit and now you can't SWIM.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 07:03 pm: |

Don't you have something better to do on a Saturday evening?? I do. I kid you not. I gotta go.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 07:14 pm: |

BYE MARVELLA....
you GO girl
have a nice saturday feeding the birds in the park and sucking that Wine Bottle dry.
When you come back....DON'T START NONE, WON'T BE NONE.
Bless you, bitch, and don't trip on the sidewalk.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 09:50 pm: |

I swear, sometimes Kola, I think you're better off when you're bemoaning the fact your man don't want you.
Firstly, Liv Tyler's mother was NOT Donna Summer, she was a white model married to Steven Tyler. Poitier's daughter has dated black men ( one or two I've known personally), and being bi-racial, why shouldn't she? Why shouldn't Richie's ADOPTED white daughter date white men - she is, WHITE afterall. You'd be pissed if she were dating black men cause she ain't black.
And what's with the photo epilogue anyway? If you're going to throw in these skanky photos, which greatly distract from the passion of your "discussions" by the way, at least get your headers correct.
Kola said, "It's WE who let these Latinos just waltz in here and take over everything it took YOUR ANCESTORS 400 years to build."
We also let in the Asians, Europeans, and AFRICANS as well. Proof in point, you're here blowing smoke up everybody's ass at every opportunity. Wasn't the good old US of A built on the premise of it's open door policy giving others the benefits of freedoms and rights they couldn't attain in their own borders? If those who come learn how to manipulate the system to their advantage and gain wealth by doing so, should we fault them for their ingenuity because other groups didn't? Clearly you have benefited greatly from your manipulations of the system and men and whatever else was going to get you what you wanted.
In one breath you applaud "Barack Obama as a good example of the RIGHT kind of black male" and in the next you decry the fact that he and other bi-racial individuals are the worst kind of "genetic castration." Obama proudly claims his heritage - the black and WHITE of it. You pull your children away from a party because the white mother asks you to do exactly what you keep imploring everyone else to do and that is RESPECT how you want your children viewed. If the child is bi-racial and his mother wants said child to be proud of that, who are you to say she is wrong? Why should her child ONLY claim it's black self and not its white self? And bottom line, that's her child, not yours. Pray tell, where is it written that only KOLA is right to tell another mother how to raise her children? Why should she RESPECT you but then it be okay for you to DISRESPECT her?
You say, Kola, that you would marry a white man or light-skinned man in a heart beat if he loved you and treated you and your children well, and then 10 seconds later throws a hissy fit cause there's so much race mixing that more biracial babies were born in Cali than pure black babies. I'm sorry but maybe those people married individuals who also loved them and treated them well? Ya think?
Your children are African and Belizian and you want them seen as upstanding BLACK men and not the mongrels or to use your words, "genetric castrations" others might see them as simply because your skin and Thomas' skin is a similar shade of chocolate brown. Perhaps Thomas should have mated with a nice Belize girl and you with a nice Sudanese man to preserve the true posterity of those pure bloodlines. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, Kola wasn't a pure-blood! She too has had her Sudanese bloodline castrated by all that Egytian blood. But this is okay because her skin was black and not light!
And isn't it ironic that you perpetuate the exact same hatred and ugliness you decry your own Egyptian grandmother for doing. Granny said, "Kola ain't light enough, send her away!" Kola says, "Them mixed race babies ain't black enough look what you people done did!" Why is it correct on one hand, Kola and incorrect on the other? Haven't you figured out yet that what's on the outside can easily be usurped by what's on the inside? UGLY in any form is UGLY, and when you need to make a point by being UGLY, you could be the Queen of the holy high hills and still be viewed as the ass end of a disjointed mule.
What I find most interesting about you Kola is that you simultaneously spout from your brain, your heart, and your ass. You are a walking contradiction, lovin' 'em one minute and hatin' 'em the next, and heaven forbid someone disagrees with or finds fault with what you have to say, you adjust that queenly crown on top of your head and go off on one of your infamous, foul, manure-filled tantrums. And the minute you do that any and every ounce of crediblity you may have had is totally destroyed.
You relish your constant posturing about what Blacks in America and America itself are doing wrong and you seem to forget that your African butt is only here in America able to say and do and accomplish all that you have because of what others black, white, yellow AND brown did before you were even a notion in your African mommy and Egyptian daddy's mind.
You claim to have ALL the answers Kola if only we'd listen to your rants and follow your path and I would have to question if such is the case why ain't you back in Sudan teaching your own kind what it is they're doing wrong and building that great BLACK future you are so desperate for? Didn't I read somewhere that Sudan was in desperate need for a little guidance, Queen Kola? Since they're about to give you an award for all your greatness, maybe it's time you packed your bags and put up that tent you call a castle on the other side of the waters so you can do all the good you can't seem to get done here because black folk ain't listening to what you have to say?
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 11:35 pm: |

BABY SISTER,
I DO NOT LIVE IN SUDAN...I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, USA. I am an American citizen.
Which part don't YOU understand?
I've spent my WHOOOOLE LIFE....in THIS COUNTRY......having to listen to weak, snide, no-nothing White-Identified nigger bitch Turnips like yourself and it's ABOUT TIME...your black ass heard from me.
MY ANCESTORS built this country, SweetSoul. What part you forgot?????
I'd like to SEE "YOU" put my ass out---Bad Girl.
You came out of MY...BLACK...ASS----"Baby Girl", all human beings did. I didn't come out of yours.
You can pick your friends, "Baby Girl"---but you can't pick your FAMILY. And that goes for WHITE BITCHES with nappyhead Black Children who now have to deal with BLACK AFRICANS like me who will REMIND those children that this world SEEES THEM as "black"------whether I do or not.
If I am a "mass of contradictions"---that's your slave master's fault.
AS WHOOPI GOLDBERG SAID: "I may be black, I may be ugly...but I'm HERE." By force of GOD's will----my Black Sudanese ASS is here and I ain't going NOWHERE. You motherfuckers are STUCK with my evil African ass!!!!!
You don't agree with my opinion---that's perfectly fine. I never begrudged anyone from disagreeing with me, in fact I've invited people to disagree and been very respectful of their opinions....
the ONLY people you see me fight and attack are the ones who LIKE YOU have the audacity to tell me to go back to Africa or that I'm not allowed to express my opinion---because you're a BLACK AMERICAN and therefore know something about being black that I don't.
Let me tell you something, "BABY"....we got fucking NIGGERSTOCK all over the continent of Africa. You ever heard of POGO-Niggers?
Dumb, worthless, lost, shiftless Colonialism-created NIGGERS in Sudan, in South Africa, in Mali, in Ethiopia, in Libya, in Namibia......all over the goddamned place.
And you and your people ain't no damned different from the rest of us. Your experience is NOT UNIQUE. I'm so sick of you fucking Black Americans WHINING that African people don't like you, think they're better, think they're arrogant.
That's BULLSHITTTT. You won't LET US love you---because if we did, then you'd have to RE-connect with the part of yourself that you've been trying so HARD TO DESTROY.
My fucking ATTITUDE is the same one you GOT, bitch.
NOW YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM.
Talking about "Go back to Africa"----BITCH eat my goddamned asshole!!!!
I AM HERE.
You don't like what I have to say? Get your ruby red slippers on and EASE ON DOWN THE FUCK'N ROAD.
But I will not be silent in the face of MY PEOPLE'S DESTRUCTION.
I love my people. ALLLLL BLACK PEOPLE.
They ALLLLL are mines.
You don't like me.....get on your knees and ask GOD if I give a fuck.
I'm so sick of No-do-nothing sorry Bitches like YOU I don't know what to do.
Now stick that up your ass and WHISTLE.
KOLA BOOF
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 11:38 pm: |

we got fucking NIGGERSTOCK all over the continent of Africa. You ever heard of POGO-Niggers?
Niggers ALLLLL OVER AFRICA.
Niggers, niggers, niggers....
.....AND I AM SICK OF IT!!!!!!!
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 11:41 pm: |

I love my people. ALLLLL BLACK PEOPLE.
They ALLLLL are mines.
You don't like me.....get on your knees and ask GOD if I give a fuck.
I'm so sick of No-do-nothing sorry Bitches like YOU I don't know what to do.
My ATTITUDE is the same one you GOT, bitch.
NOW YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 11:43 pm: |

NOW YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM.
Goddamned yellow footed Zebra bitch.
Don't you EVER tell me to go back to Africa.
You MAKE me.
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 11:56 pm: |

AS WHOOPI GOLDBERG SAID: "I may be black, I may be ugly...but I'm HERE." By force of GOD's will----my Black Sudanese ASS is here and I ain't going NOWHERE. You motherfuckers are STUCK with my evil African ass!!!!!
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Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 11:57 pm: |

I wish you hadn't picked my night to have a drink to start this shit with me, baby sister.
Here I was minding my own business....having a little Vodka and then you come along.
Picking a fight.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 12:01 am: |

Why is it that people think I WANT TO BE "LIKED"????
Shit.
I don't give a fuck if you don't like me.
That's NOT MY MISSION.
To be....Liked.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 01:00 am: |

UGLY on the inside is even UGLIER on the outside. It's obvious from your ranting that you are probably a pathetically UGLY drunk and should refrain from exemplifing your own NIGGERISH behaviour. Alchohol ain't your friend. You clearly need to let it go.
Now, I know where you live. What I ASKED you was why, since you have such an affinity for your Sudanese heritage, and how you continually pontificate on your African ancestry and roots, why it is you don't use all of that energy to help where it clearly could be used the most? You keep bemoaning how black Americans can't see the light, instead of understanding that how they see it isn't how you see it and most clearly aren't interested in how you see it. I also questioned why you constantly flip your position on most issues you address, dependent on your mood? My questions were only to understand why you see a need to help black Americans but you're interest in helping black Sudans is only to wave your finger, point, and call another black man and/or woman a nigger, when perhaps what intellect, passion, and energy you might have could be better served where it is clearly needed more?
Your response is to call me a weak, snide, no-nothing, white-identified, god-damned yellow-footed zebra nigger bitch who should eat your asshole. (I hope I didn't miss anything, they were all so eloquently expressed!)
So, wherein I might have had some interest in understanding more about you and where your thoughts were coming from, your credibility has been severely desecrated.
There is no mistaking your American roots. Somebody looked at you the wrong way, asked a question you couldn't answer and the first thing you do is kick off your shoes, pull off your earrings, grease your fists and face, grab that box-cutter, call them out of their name, and prepare to kick some ass so you can show everyone who's superior and who ain't.
You claim WE all came from you. Well, QUEEN MOTHER, if your behaviour is an example of what you think we as women and as a people should be, we're really in serious trouble. How far do you think we as a people could ever get if every time someone came at us in a manner we didn't like, we started acting the ass with all that name calling, and fists blazing, gonna-kick-yo-ass attitude? In fact, as a mother, were you to act in such a manner toward any child of yours, child-protective services would haul your butt right into the system, lose your paperwork, and forget your name.
And no, Kola, I don't think you WANT to care whether or not people like you. But I do think you do care. In fact, I think you care very much. If you didn't you wouldn't be human. If you didn't, you wouldn't be here, every day, putting yourself on the line to be attacked and ridiculed and questioned and criticized. You wouldn't bother to share all that vulnerability, rage, talent, insight, and humor that you keep putting out here.
I also think you want to be RESPECTED because you're talented and intelligent and could actually do some good in your lifetime. And, I think that it bothers you to all hell that you aren't getting that respect and you can't, for all it's worth, figure out why. And I don't think you can figure out why because when someone asks you a question you don't like or you can't answer, you're only response is to act the ass.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 01:14 am: |

Babygirl, forgive me.
It's so obvious that in my state----my Saturday nights being reserved for my Vodka and walk around the property---I'm not in the right frame to weather this attack.
So....the victory is yours, because I really don't care how you FEEL about me and what I do and say.
I cannot return to SUDAN or any Muslim Arab nation, because there is an order to behead me on sight, but in your swift appraisals---this never crossed your mind. Or even the reasons...PERHAPS WHY....I NEED this drink, after the life I've live and the battles I've fought.
No, deeply and sincerely, I apologize for BITING the bait and ranting at your insolence.
Now I'm tired, so tired. Too tired and worn to fight with the likes of you and your kind.
You just couldn't understand. Not if you lived TWO lifetimes.
I wish you all the best, and though you'll never believe it----I only wish you love. Nothing less and nothing unkind. I wish you love.
I'm very sorry I disappointed you.
You'll never understand a character like me.
Farewell.
tima usrah
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 01:39 am: |

This was never about attacking you, Kola, or being beaten by you. The only battle you are experiencing is the one you are fighting with the demons your Vodka-induced haze has created.
This is supposed to be about questioning, critiquing, analyzing, commenting, disagreeing, agreeing, and inevitably learning and understanding. And what you have yet to see Kola, is that many of us clearly understand you. We understand your experiences and your hurt because it is NOT unlike our own. In fact, you said it yourself and I quote you: "And you and your people ain't no damned different from the rest of us. Your experience is NOT UNIQUE."
And, bottom line you have exposed far too much of yourself for us not to have some understanding of you.
But what you also must understand is that when you say in one breath and I quote you again, that "I never begrudged anyone from disagreeing with me, in fact I've invited people to disagree and been very respectful of their opinions...." and turn around in the second breath to refute that by attacking the individual you're not agreeing with, all anyone is going to see is Kola's rage and disrespect, and absolutely nothing of Kola's message which may have actually had some value, whether we agree with it or not.
Rest well, Kola, and may God's blessings continue to be with you as well...
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:05 am: |

UT
wait a minute.
There are MANY instances where people have disagreed with me and I have not attacked them in the least. It happens all the time.
But those who've been attacked by Kola have attacked me in some way first...by dismissing my opinion; saying that I should go back to Africa; calling me crazy, etc.
In fact, I don't know how anyone could read the attacks by people like Cynique and Thumper and then claim that "I" am being unfair or picking on them. Their vitriol has been without a moment's relief.
At least I'm a big enough person to apologize to people when I've unfairly slashed them.
So dash that off as another thing I'm sick of--the myth of "Mean, Evil Kola".
I think I'm very nice and my humility is QUITE under reported, thank you very much.
And furthermore, WHO on God's earth told you that "I" have all the answers.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
What I do have is an OPINION----about everything----and I'm willing to share those opinions.
I am also COMPETENT. I know what to do, whether what I do is wrong or right. I make a decision.
It's not my fault if others can't do the same.
I am not a Queen....I am a Good Daughter and a Competent Mother.
And last...my feelings about "race" and all the other issues that I explored in this thread REMAIN UNCHANGED and completely from my own thoughts. Though some like you will not appreciate/agree with my sentiments---TONS MORE email me regularly to thank me for saying what they WANTED to say. Otherwise, I wouldn't be saying these things so frequently.
And yes----telling me that I'm UGLY and should go back to SUDAN is an attack.
But for the record....I am Beautiful (that's just the way God fixed it, no matter how insecure I am about my looks, I AM BEAUTIFUL).......and I AM IN AFRICA, always. No matter where I am.
jatu aruh
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:06 am: |

But I am glad that you got all that off your chest, Babygirl, because that's what you SHOULD do. That's good for you and will make you strong.
I can appreciate your views and your frustration with so a wild a flower as me.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:11 am: |

Rest well, Kola, and may God's blessings continue to be with you as well...
__________
Yes, I do need rest. Only it's so hard to sleep.
I have to get ready to fight these sexist African men who want to ruin my Medal of Honor Ceremony---or keep me from getting it at all. This is quite serious. The battle coming up. These are men who are jealous and HATE me with a passion. These are far more than yippy-yappers on a PC screen chat room.
No these are real true predators that I have to fight------and wear a glamorous flowing gown and act ladylike and graceful all at once.
So thank you, babygirl. For your blessing of well wishes.
I wish you the same.
I can sense the spirit of GOD in you.
You are a good girl.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:14 am: |

God please bring me peace, because although I act very tough and strong......I am at my most vulnerable.
I am truly aged and TIRED.
I just want to sit naked and cry for a whole year. And eat nothing but tangerines. But no one would understand.
I NNNEEED to chat my life on a computer.
It's impossible being Kola Boof. Really. I would go crazy if I couldn't talk at the screen.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:15 am: |

God bring me victory and peace.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 10:14 am: |

I can not believe how Kola can take a conversation about change and turn it into a diatribe about her. I thought that was what her board was for but clearly Im wrong. Back to the orginal intent of this thread I found a 5 part article that I hope the author doesnt mind me posting as it was on the Internet and I felt his points worthy of discussion:
“Between The Lines”
Anthony Asadullah Samad
50 Solutions To “The Black Dilemma”
(Part I in a Five Part Series)
After writing a commentary on the future of black advocacy, I received close to a thousand e-mail responses (thank you), mostly the question back to me, “So, what is the solution?” Clearly, a common theme across the country is that we all (or most of us, at least) know the problems, and have long grown tired of them. Most of us concur that prevailing tactics in black
advocacy have limited effectiveness. And many of us agree that a major contributor to our problems is the convolution of self interests that conflict with collective interest goals and progress. As long as money and notoriety are in the mix, somebody (Black) is going to go against the collective interest of African Americans, in pursuit of their individual self-interest. It presents a true dilemma, particularly when self-interest and collective interests are not congruent. So for the next four weeks, let’s explore, together, 50 solutions to address the debilitating state of Black America. We’ll deal with them 10 at a time, understanding that space limitations don’t allow for full explanation, but serve as a springboard to future conversation. Who knows? This could start a national debate on how we solve (some of) black America’s problems. It is this generation’s dilemma, you know.
Let’s acknowledge out front that we will never be able to totally solve our problems and eliminate self interest totally. Certainly, we can no longer ignore that there is a “profit side”to black crisis, and a fame side for those who speak to black crises. That’s the up-side, and we always pay more attention to the up-side than the down side. The down side, however, is most damaging when our collective interests aren’t served, and most dangerous, when they are. But we can eliminate potential of conflicting self interest, meaning you can come up as long as, or in helping, the people come up—but you shouldn’t come up at the expense of the people.With that said…
Solution 1: Let’s acknowledge that we’re all differentbut experience the same challenges. Black people are not monolithic and shouldn’t be expected to accept “cookie cutter” approaches to solutions. Malcolm X said 40 years ago that we don’t catch hell because we’re Christian or Muslim, Democrat or Republican. We catch hell in America because we’reBlack. It’s still true.
Solution 2: Let’s acknowledge that racism isn’t over. Just because white people have eliminated it from the public discourse, doesn’t mean that it went away. Race-neutrality, or “Colorblindness” is the new Jim Crow that allows us to be separated, mistreated and still unequal. We must address race inequities that are every bit as disparate as they were 50 years ago.
Solution 3: Stop playing to our lower self, or the worst in our society. We will never progress for as long as we allow others in the race to disrespect our women, our children, and call each other the worst thing our grandfathers could be called, ******. The pimp, thug, dawg, and gangsta mentality doesn’t serve our best interest either. It’s degradation and cannibalism— pure and basic, feeding on each other. Can’t we just be human, or more importantly, men and women?
Solution 4: Establish a “quality of life”survival level for our communities. Forty years of white flight and job relocations have created communities without sustainable economies. Minimum wage jobs cannot support the economy of any community. Identify companies that rely
on the black dollar and demand work. Otherwise, don’t spend with those that don’t support us.
Solution 5: Engage in only responsive, action-oriented advocacy. Let others know we mean business. Target our advocacy to demonstrate that we are responsive enough to close a business, or vote someone out of office, when they betray our trust, or go against the collective
interest. Back up the “twist and shout” with “Get ‘em out.” Others will respond when they see we can respond.
Solution 6: Identify and expose “interlopers.” Interlopers are those who call themselves part of the community, but show others how to exploit the community and take payment for it. They can work in corporations, government, elected office or in the church. This is currently
black America’s biggest problem—those who will do a good deed in support of the community out in the open, but do two dirty deeds behind closed doors to undermine the community interest.
Solution 7: Take our children out of public schools, if they cannot be properly educated. If we haven’t figured out that public education is “dumbing-down” our children, we will never figure it out. I know this is controversial, but for as long as public education is broken, it is the biggest contributor to black adult illiteracy (now over 50% in some parts of the country) and the marginalization of black employment. Like 50 years ago, poor education is now our biggest threat.
Solution 8: Do not condone crimes against society, particularly our community. Blacks are currently the biggest criminal exploiters of other Blacks. We can’t (or even shouldn’t) expect the other man to do anything about this “black on black” thing. We have to solve this one ourselves.
Solution 9: Practice sound economics to lift our communities. Economics is notarithmetic. “Buy black” days and five dollar a month checking accounts will not build wealth in our communities. Massive wealth building strategies, like the Rule of 72, or REIT investment circles that double your money in 4.2 years, are the only solutions that will allow us to keep up with rising costs in housing and business start-up markets. Blacks must learn to live on 50% to 70% of what they earn, and save the rest. Looking good and being broke went out with platform shoes and jeri curls. Econo-practicality that emphasizes saving will close the racial wealth gap. Consumer mentality on quickly depreciable assets (cars, clothes, some jewelry) keeps us poor. Give it up.
Solution 10: Pull your money out of banks that do not lend it back to you, pure and simple. Banks are strangulating our communities, taking money in but not letting it out, unless it’s in another community. Lending practices are highly questionable and we need to hold banks in our community accountable. We cannot allow economic redlining to persist, as leverage builds wealth.
These are the first ten solutions to the most common (and complex) collective problems in our community. The next ten will focus on personal behaviors, mental well-being and health.
Anthony Asadullah Samad is a national columnist, author and managing director of the Urban Issues Forum. His new book, 50 Years After Brown: The State of Black Equality In America can be ordered online (go to www.thestateofblackequality.com). He can be reached for comments at www.AnthonySamad.com
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 10:18 am: |

I had an interesting evening last night.It struck me as odd that Kola's gut-level first thought about me was that I might be after her in some way,so I did some checking up on why that might be,and I must say that if I was the one in her situation I would also be pretty paranoid.Although,it isn't really paranoia when 'they' really are out to get you.Those folks in Sudan sound like they're pretty pissed off at you,Kola.We won't even get into that guy that said that if he had the time to waste he'd slit your throat himself.One can say what they will about your opinions or style of presentation,but I have no problem at all acknowledging that you certainly have the courage of your convictions.Your world has obviously been very cold and harsh,but you have shown yourself to be a remarkably resilient lady.Having a bunch of people wanting to adorn a fencepost with your head because of the things you say pretty much maxes out on my 'about something' meter.So feel free to rail away at me for being whatever the hell it is I must be since I'm an american black man.You have my respect and admiration. (BTW ya'll shouldn't be picking on drunk people.Not very sporting of you. )
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:19 am: |

LibraLinda....I apologize. Truly I do.
Rustang...thanks so much for your kind words. You really didn't have to be so nice, but thank you. I cherish your chivalry.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:36 am: |

Actually...now that I look back over the wreckage.....it was OTHERS who turned this thread into a diatribe about "ME", Libra. Just as you did the time you asked me about loving "my baby's daddy" as you put it.
I don't know WHY people do that.
There's just something about me.
But sinse I can really be ignorant when I'm cooped up on this ranch in the middle of nowhere with a few drinks in me----my apology to you stands.
So sorry, dearest.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:37 am: |

Oh god, the hangover.
It's spelled "SINCE" right. I misspelled it.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 01:50 pm: |

Ok Kola. Your a mess. I look forward to meeting you one day
Hursh Cyn. LOL
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:11 pm: |

Well, you know I have to add my 2 cents to this subject, although I warn I have nothing profound to say; just a few comments. First of all, I commend Baby Girl and Libralind for their calm, reasonable approach to broaching this subject. They put me to shame for engaging in the silly antics I allow myself to get caught up in. And I will shoulder some of the blame for repeatedly igniting Kola's wrath. But that wrath is very easy to inflame because all you have to do is disagree with her entrenched views and she goes ballistic. The problem I have always had with Kola is that she thinks lighter-skinned people are just supposed to humbly sit by and take all of the virulent charges she hurls at us, and for us to not react to how she, herself, is color-biased. I have never ever on this board put anybody down because of the color of their skin. I have never said that being light-skinned is better than being dark-skinned. I am NOT color struck. I realize that color is an accident of birth. And, unlike Kola, I am not trying to cloak myself in the robes of a messiah on a mission to make the world over in my image. I do give Kola credit for being smart and creative, 2 traits I admire in people, but it's obvious that she has serious emotional issues and the way she constantly bombards people with her color obsession stirs my malice. I also acknowledge that the caste system still plagues the black community, but it sometimes works both ways; it ain't all sweetness and light for "yellow" people. In fact, golden brown seems likes it's the shade to be because this hue offends no one. And I still say that, obviously, if everybody was close to the same color, then color would no longer become a factor. Unfortunately, there are no magical formulas to solve the color problem because we are dealing with the variables of human nature and time marches on, discarding cumbersome baggage along the way. We think we have control over our destinies but larger factors come into play. That's why dinosaurs became extinct.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:16 pm: |

EAT SHIT you YELLOW-BELLY RED-BONED NUCKLE-fuckle!!!!
You need to fucking go to HELLLLL, Old Yeller!
You got that Cynique?
Goddamned bitch!!!!
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:20 pm: |

Can you READ Cynique?
COLORSTRUCK YELLOW RED-BONE BITCH!!!!
Fuck you.
YOU damned right I'm COLORSTRUCK when it comes to your COLORSTRUCK ass.
You need a goddamned Harpoon in your back, that's what you need.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 02:37 pm: |

Kola,
I might be sick-n-duh-head. But that last pic kinda looks like 2 banannas with fudge chocolate sprayed all over them.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 03:19 pm: |

One good thing about Kola is that you really don't have to respond to her rants. The more she posts, the more she reveals how crazy she is. She's a certified, gold-plated nut.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 03:41 pm: |

Well, Mommie Dearest.
If YOU, Miss Cynique, hadn't kept me locked in the basement growing up and hadn't FORCED ME to endure Mama Linda's straightening comb and hadn't KICKED me in my sleep on those nights when you were DRUNK and the batteries in your vibrator stopped working
----I wouldn't be such a nutcase.
But no. ALL your kids are NUT-jobs thanks to you.
And I'm not going to be quiet about it anymore.
People think I'm a brilliant writer. They just don't know the pain and anguish of being Cynique's Daughter---of having to type those damned multiplication paragraphs every single morning and not get one decimal wrong---
Or a crack across the nuckles
This BITCH is SATAN, everyone!!!!
Pure 100% RED BONE Satan Bitch!!!
And you're all blaming me as usual.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 03:43 pm: |

HAHAHAHA!
You 2 need to go on the road together.
HAHAHAHA!
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 04:51 pm: |

BABYGIRL,
this link will explain WHY I'm getting a military medal....as well as show why I can never return to the Arab world.
http://profileafrica.com/Cultural.kolaboof.040704.htm
It also may help you to understand why I APPEAR crazy to you and why my feelings about "race", etc. are so FOREIGN and different.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 04:53 pm: |

ABM, I can't think of anything I'd rather do less than the be in the company of Kola Boof. Just to have her joke about being my daughter makes my skin crawl. EU. Too bad she doesn't know the African wild ox who was her real mammy.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 07:32 pm: |

Kola, just when I thought sobriety had reclaimed you and that your thought processes might once again be lucid, you go off on one of your tirades against Cynique. Explain why? Because this has absolutely nothing to do with what may have happened in the past but what has happened in the here and now. Cynique paid you a compliment, expressed what it is about your comments that incites her own passion and you instantly attacked.
When I said UGLY inside was uglier outside, I was not making any reference at all to your physical attributes, but to the ugliness of your behavior. What beauty can anyone see in you, your spirit, your passion, or your convictions when you're spouting rhetoric like: "EAT SHIT you YELLOW-BELLY RED-BONED NUCKLE-fuckle!!!!"
You are an interesting anomaly, Kola.
I found the link you provided most interesting. As well, I found this one to be as enlightening: http://www.ucip.ch/nv/su
Now, we all know when it comes to the press and media, you can't necessarily believe everything you read. And in many cases opinions need to be formed based on further research and hopefully good judgement. But let's be honest, Kola, if the media says Jane Doe has behaved in a questionable and fraudulent manner and you have an opportunity to experience Jane Doe in action and her comments and behavior are conflicting, erratic, disturbing and questionable, you may well give that same media report some credibility. And when you are giving Jane Doe the benefit of the doubt and asking your own questions to form your own opinions and Jane's response is to deviate from the subject to curse, swear, and proclaim you are doing her an injustice what other opinions can you then, comfortably form?
Now, I think you yourself would agree that you have some serious emotional issues, and based on the biographical information that you have shared I would reason that you probably, as Rustang commented as well, have every right to your numerous idiosyncrasies. But I would also venture to say is that with your intellect, talent, and passion, and in light of all that it would appear you are trying to accomplish, you, more than anyone else would want to appear to be something other than "CRAZY".
Cynique had some interesting comments about color and our individual perceptions of such. And as she noted, color is an accident of our birth. Now, might you answer this question for me, and preferably without the negativity?
If you love ALL black people, then why are you so angry and hostile toward blacks who are lighter in skintone than their darker brothers and sisters? If the parents of a biracial child are raising that child to be proud of his/her ethnicity, why do you deem that same light skinned child as not being as good as his darker- toned peer? Why do you fault his white parent for wanting him to be proud of ALL his blood as if only his black blood should count for anything? If I understand you, then you want that same child to consider himself "black" by virtue of that black blood, but if his skintone is more of a pale cream and his eyes green and his hair straighter in texture, then he is, in your eyes, really less than that?
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 09:59 pm: |

And allow me to add my congratulations, Kola on the military award that will be bestowed on you.
Where in Omaha is your event being held? I thought I might find something on it at the DiscoverBlackOmaha website as they are very diligent about reporting news about the Sudanese community there but there was nothing. I couldn't find any mention of it on the SPLA/SPLM websites either. In light of your high rank within their organization I was disappointed that there was no news of you there. I also asked an acquaintance with the Omaha World-Herald newspaper, if he was aware of the event and if he would be covering it for the paper and he had no knowledge of it but was curious to know more. I would think with over 1000 people attending they would be doing a better job of publicizing such a prestigious event. I would imagine your fans in that area would want to come out to support you.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 10:32 pm: |

Somehow you missed CYNIQUE saying this:
Too bad she doesn't know the African wild ox who was her real mammy.
AND OTHER SUCH THINGS ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE.
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about---BabyGirl.
Fuck Cynique. I don't owe that bitch any goddamned respect, and most obviously, you DO NOT KNOW what has been said between us over the last few years---otherwise you wouldn't put your nose where it doesn't belong.
If anyone has TRIED to be nice and cordial, it's been me.
__________
PUBLICIZING of a military "Medal" usually comes AFTER the event.
DUH
The public is not welcome to this.
If the U.S. Government wanted to publicize letting 1,000 Blue Black Africans inside their borders, I doubt they would have it in an off the wall location like OMAHA.
Can you imagine a single reason that LILY WHITE OMAHA is the perfect place to gather said Africans?
And just EXACTLY WHY would a woman who's been in hiding for 3 years want to PUBLICIZE an event that isn't HER EVENT in the first place?
I'm the guest of Honor---and I'm not telling ANYONE where the event was held UNTIL IT'S OVER, although a Press Release on Wednesday mentions the name of the Cathedral.
What media will be there, is those tiny few HANDPICKED and approved by me.
And that's not so strange if you know anything about Protocal.
As for the rest of your commentary, let me make it clear that I'm done taking your snide remarks and insinuous comments.
Whatever you have to SAY out of the mouth you eat with---it won't stop my parade.
So you and Cynique carry the fuck on. Being double teamed by TWO Doh-Doh birds will only bring me sympathy in the long run.
Pick away.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:10 pm: |

On the issue of color:
My point was about MY SONS...and the fact that I don't want them in the presence of a Mixed Race child who will ask them "Why is your hair like that?"---when that Pale Child's own black father has African hair and he and the White mother should have already answered that for their MIXED CHILD.
ONCE AGAIN...you seem to read selectively.
I don't give a damn what the White Woman raises her Mixed child to be---however-----by the sheer OBVIOUSNESS that these ...."I'm Bi-racial, don't call me black" children.... are NOT Black-Identified and therefore NOT a part of the Black Struggle.....then I will not be PROMOTING their births or their kinship with me and THAT is what you see written clearly, just as I intended to write it.
Especially coming from North Africa where I'm well aware of the HATRED that Mixed People have for "Black Origins", solely because they are ashamed to be stigmatized by the reality of BLACKNESS in a White Supremacist world.
And as further FACT...I don't have to mention the centuries long HISTORY of Mulatto people, an extraction of Black blood, that has NOT benefitted anyone but the White Race and continues to be USED to Reiterate "White Supremacy" by sheer suggestion of a Mulatto person being superior to a Black One.
In other words...I'm sick and tired of the PRIVILEAGE that comes from being a Mulatto---and the fact that they BENEFIT from racism and White Supremacy, yet claim, when it's convenient that they are BLACK.
Cynique has expressed her own COLORISM quite a few times, long before I ever responded to the issue---in a post several years ago about the novel "The Blacker the Berry".....AND.....by her treatment of her characters in the novel she wrote.
If anyone is colorstruck and trying to cloak themselves in Politically Correct JARGON today...it's Cynique's two-faced ass.
I don't give a damn about that White Woman and her Mixed Child. But I am not going to let her racism and her child's ignorance touch MY SONS or poison them against their own beauty.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:39 pm: |

Break IT ON....DOWN....MISS KOLA!!!
I cannot believe Cynique is still trying to play the victim after all the mess that came out of her lying mouth over the last few years.
Wasn't she the one who called the people in Sudan "backwards" and said you need to go back to Sudan where you belong and was talking all that crap about dark women just have to accept that life isn't fair and women her color are just prettier?
She was talking cash stuff when me and A_Womon got banned from the board by Thumper, her main man.
I got your back on this one, Kola.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:46 pm: |

Among all of your other glaring flaws, Kola Boof, you are a pathological liar. You are so crazed and preoccupied with color that you distort everything that doesn't aline itself with your warped vision. I gave a very brief review of "The Blacker The Berry" a long time ago and I never once said anything derogatory about dark skin, but simply made reference to how color-conscious the characters in the book were. Then, you singled out one phrase uttered by a character in my book and took it and ran with it, reading all kinds of things into it, never once taking into consideration how natural it was for these words to come out of the mouth of the character in question. And I don't deny that I match you insult for insult. In fact the only thing I can find to like about you is that you bring out my creativity; you challenge me to come up with different ways to express contempt. You think your sons are the only kids in the world. Let me clue you, you rope-headed bitch. They aren't any more valuable than anyone else's kids, in spite of how much you try to convince yourself otherwise. And if they're anything like you, I sure pity them.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:53 pm: |

Well, bad mammajamma you and all of your distorted lies make a good disciple for Kola. Just remember, licking her ass ain't gonna get you nothing but a foul tast in your big mouth. BTW, I ain't never considered myself a victim of Kola or anybody else. Now run and tell that to "justwrite."
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:53 pm: |

Obviously her kids are more valuable to her than somebody else's and that's the way it's supposed to be.
I'm totally down with Kola's handling of her kids and keeping them away from the self-haters and the wannabe whites.
You're the one who is a liar Cynique and I'm glad I checked in just in time for this. You are the most two-faced, double-talking colorist person on here.
Plenty of people on here remember what you SAID, my sista about color in the beginning when you thought nobody was feel'n Kola's vibe.
You stabbed A_Womon in the back, you stabbed me in the back and every chance you get, you pick a fight with Kola. You started shit on her board, you wrote emails to get her banned when she was on Thumper's and you have always tried to keep her from expressing her opinion.
Hell, my girl had to fight just to post her damned opinion on here back when you and Linda and the rest was trying to run her out.
So keep it real and don't front like your shit don't stink. You the funkiest thing up in here.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:54 pm: |

Oh yes, Miss Cynique, you got that JUSTWRITE.
Now lick dat.
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Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 11:57 pm: |

It would seem I've hit another nerve although I'm not sure why. Let's start again:
Kola: Somehow you missed CYNIQUE saying this:
"Too bad she doesn't know the African wild ox who was her real mammy."
Babygirl: No, I didn't miss it at all. In fact it came some five or six posts after the fact. Cynique paid you a compliment and offered her comments about color. You immediately responded with "EAT SHIT you YELLOW-BELLY RED-BONED NUCKLE-fuckle!!!!". You followed this with a picture and expletive that read, "EAT SHIT". ABM then commented on said photo. You then ranted a third and fourth time. ABM had one more interjection and THEN Cynique, in response to your tirade, said what she said. So in actually, her comment to you came some six posts after you went off on her, in response to your nastiness. She didn't start it this time, you did. And there is nothing selective about my reading. I read very well. If your comments are an example of you trying to be nice and cordial, then we should probably go back to those etiquette courses they teach in kindergarten because clearly something got lost in the translation.
Kola: PUBLICIZING of a military "Medal" usually comes AFTER the event.
Babygirl: Interesting. This must be a Sudanese custom. Typically, the US military is exceptionally proud to announce the awards it bestows upon its high-ranking officials, before AND after said event.
Kola: Can you imagine a single reason that LILY WHITE OMAHA is the perfect place to gather said Africans?
Babygirl: Would the fact that out of 5,000 Sudanese refugees who were admitted to the US between 1990 and 1998, an estimated 4,000 of them settled in Omaha, Nebraska be reason enough? Seems reasonable then that for over 1000 of them to attend they wouldn't have far to travel.
Kola: And just EXACTLY WHY would a woman who's been in hiding for 3 years want to PUBLICIZE an event that isn't HER EVENT in the first place?
I'm the guest of Honor.
Babygirl: Doesn't being the guest of honor, who is receiving the highest award, make this YOUR event? Again, maybe Sudanese custom is different?
And if you're in hiding, why announce that you are even receiving an award that your fans aren't privy to celebrate with you? And, please, forgive my ignorance, but I recently understood you to have been in attendance at the Black Writers on Tour event which is a very PUBLIC event as I understand it. I would have assumed the same precautions taken to insure you were adequately protected would also be in place at your awards ceremony, thus eliminating your need to be in "hiding". Of course, I have never been in hiding so this is all every enlightening to me!
Kola: As for the rest of your commentary, let me make it clear that I'm done taking your snide remarks and insinuous comments.
Babygirl: I'm sorry that you have perceived my tone to be so offending. Typically, I'm exceptionally straightforward. I ask a lot of questions for the sake of understanding and my questions are usually very cut and dry.
Now with respect to your response on COLOR, I have a better understanding of your position. What I would question though is WHY would you be offended by a CHILD asking a stupid question because isn't that what children DO? Ask stupid questions that we as responsible adults should answer for the sake of educating them? Case in point, I was on business in London some 15-odd years ago and was invited to stay in the home of one of my white associates and his family. At the time, they had a six-year old son who had never before seen a black American woman. He had many questions. Before my departure he asked if I would attend school with him before I left. He wanted me to be his "show and tell" for the day because none of his classmates had ever before seen a black woman and apparently I had been the topic of much discussion. I did so gladly because I felt not only was there a lesson for him and his friends but for the adults and myself as well. And not that this is of any relevance, but I attended this same young man's wedding not too long ago, to a delightful young black woman from Rwanda.
Kola: I'm sick and tired of the PRIVILEAGE that comes from being a Mulatto---and the fact that they BENEFIT from racism and White Supremacy, yet claim, when it's convenient that they are BLACK.
Babygirl: What are their PRIVILEGES and BENEFITS? It's my opinion that those of mixed race probably have it harder - too black to be white / too white to be black/ battling not one race for respect, but two.
And individuals who are racist, whether they're despising black/whites/or those of any other race, will mistreat another body no matter what their bloodlines. Racism is hatred, pure and simple, and in many respects I believe it to be the manifestation of self-hatred and fear for what they do not know or understand.
Lastly, wouldn't you agree that ignorance in any form will poison a child, even a mother's?
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:02 am: |

Kola, don't even respond to this BabyGirl bitch.
Her TONE of her posts tells it all, my sister and she got the nerve to claim bi-racial mullatto people have it worse than regular black folks, that right there is a major tip off to what kind of ignorance you dealing with. Maybe she need to pick up and READ "The Blacker the Berry" and "Bluest Eye" and "Don't Play In the Sun" before you come in here claiming that bi-racial people don't benefit from racism and suffer worse than blacks.
Then she comes in here taking up for Cynique, the grand wizard of all people.
IGNORE and do not grace with a reply.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:03 am: |

Oh shut up bitch. You just mad cause we outed your dumb ass on this board. Didn't even know how to spell or use words correctly. You almost had a nervous breakdown up in here. That explains why you're memory is so poor because nothing you say is accurate.BTW, has your masterpiece made the bestseller list yet? Not. I need a door stop. Are any free ones available.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:04 am: |

Juss a side note, BabyGirl.
You are not the first one to come in here and attempt to tear Kola down.
But will soon be one of the least read ones.
Everybody in here can see through you and we all know Kola from way back. We got her back.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:05 am: |

OK Cynique, you com'n at me like that?
It's cool. All good.
I rest my case.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:10 am: |

The only reason people come up in here and tear Kola down is because she's acts a fool. Just like, justwrite. Maybe you should take your ass on back over to momma Kola's board so you can nurse her big boobs. Wheeeee.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:14 am: |

I'm curious, BADMAMAJAMA, you said: "I'm totally down with Kola's handling of her kids and keeping them away from the self-haters and the wannabe whites."
Where was the self-hate? A white mother of a biracial CHILD asked Kola to RESPECT that she and her black husband wanted their children to identify with the reality of BOTH their bloodlines. It wasn't about preferring one over the other but about acknowleding the existence of both. Kola has asked others to RESPECT how she wants her children to view themselves. There is no difference in what these two mothers want for their babies.
Would not those same CHILDREN, if they were self-hating wannabes, not be enlighted and educated by Kola's children with their self-love and the strength of their convictions about the beauty of their blackness? Would they not have been better served by the positive example of Kola's sons instead of gaining no knowledge at all since the boy's presence was denied?
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:26 am: |

Bad, where and how am I trying to tear Kola down?
Kola made statements that I questioned. I questioned them for better understanding of who Kola is and what her position is. Clarity, nothing more. My questions were straightforward, and I'm sure what others have had on their minds. Kola was clearly offended by my comments and questions and wherein her statements were exceptionally broad and she was asked to better define them, she ranted, acted the fool, apologized, felt insulted and then answered them with even broader responses. I was looking for the simple, honest facts, nothing more.
I don't think anything I asked was too difficult to answer but then perhaps, you, having a better understanding of Kola's thinking can enlighten me.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:29 am: |

Good lord. I can't believe this----and Paula, don't bother with Cynique or BabyGirl's affinity for her.
First of all "BabyGirl"---those people coming to see me are not "refugees", but are Sudanese paramilitary and military people; Egyptian relatives and MOST are coming from Commander Deng Alak's contingency in LONDON. Naturally, they need places to stay. Has that crossed your mind in all your profoundly ascerbic needling and posturing?
I have mentioned 500 times the event's location (Omaha, Nebraska) and the reason for the U.S. Gov. giving permission for that city.....it's a CONTROLLED area. Where did you miss that?
CONTROLLED Meaning, these kind of VISA sponsored aliens who don't speak English and are Sudanese can be processed and kept safe in THAT PARTICULAR AREA....because it's controlled and already set up for them.
Why must everything be spelled out for you in order to pass your Cynicism Notations----and if I was, as a celebrity and public figure, attempting to put a more glamorous SPIN on the situation, is that also UNUSUAL for publicists and public figures to do?
This is America after all.
So lets put a line through that one.
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Second----my "medal" WAS ANNOUNCED MONTHS AGO, and in the interim there has been very heated in-fighting and controversy over whether or not a WOMAN should be honored before several important MEN.....obviously, I would prefer to receive the actual medal rather than RUB IT IN THE FACES of those hundreds of Sudanese men IN THE U.S. who feel that they should be honored first. Does that make sense?
Wait to brag AFTER there's something to brag about?
As we speak....there are very powerful men trying to keep me from receiving ANY acknowledgement for what I've done.
And I reiterate----when military medals are given out, there is generally little to NO Publicity....UNTIL there are actual photographs and footage to be shown.
Why should I be blabbering to the press when I don't have the medal, don't have the photos or any footage???
LASTLY....
I know an awful lot about "sociology"---obviously quite a bit more than you do.
And the colorist comments made by that MIXED CHILD were not from "ignorance"....but from his jealousy that all the little girls PREFER MY CHOCOLATE SONS and this was his way of trying to infer that his white skin and wavy hair is SUPERIOR to their hair---which looks like his father's hair. Dark Black people are very USED to this behavior in Mixed People and recognize it immediatley.
If he's so innocent, then why doesn't he just ask his own father why he has African hair?? And a child THAT OLD who is around black children quite frequently would not have to keep making such comments.
RIGHT?
And this is a regular thing in Southern California that MANY BLACK PARENTS, not just me, constantly contend with.....our black children being taunted by the colorist slurs of "don't call me black" Bi-racial children, WHO, because they are YOUNG AND INSECURE want so much to identify with and be ACCEPTED BY the White mainstream---they feel the need to reiterate their DIFFERENCES from black children and SHUN blackness in totality.
Unforuntately, since Blackness is usually the only source of Strength and Stability these children will have access to----it's sad that WHITE MOTHERS of Mixed Children like THIS ONE, in all their IGNORANCE, aren't able to factor in these variables when instilling a sense of identity for their children.
I don't want my sons around that bullshit and they won't be.
My sons are TOOOOO GOOD for that American niggerstock bullshit.
You called me an ignorant mother. Call all you want.
My sons will benefit FANTASTICALLY from being the children of Kola Boof and from the upbringing and security that their father and I provide them and from an SUPERIOR SENSE of identity and heritage-related strength....the kind that simply can't be provided by White Mothers and the Niggerstock who Defend them.
Now call that "ignorant".
I have nothing further to say to you---PERIOD.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:48 am: |

Kola: "You called me an ignorant mother."
Babygirl: I never said that at all. What I asked was," Lastly, wouldn't you agree that ignorance in any form will poison a child, even a mother's?"
Now,you made the comment about the white mother and your perception of her behavior. Why do you assume that I was referring to you and NOT about her?
And why are you so defensive?
Kola: First of all "BabyGirl"---those people coming to see me are not "refugees", but are Sudanese paramilitary and military people; Egyptian relatives and MOST are coming from Commander Deng Alak's contingency in LONDON. Naturally, they need places to stay. Has that crossed your mind in all your profoundly ascerbic needling and posturing?"
Babygirl: My question was asked and answered, but I'm curious about your annoyance at responding to such. Since I wasn't privy to your guest list I would have no idea of which dignitaries would or wouldn't be in attendence. Your response was knowledge gained and isn't that typically why people ask questions they do not have the answers to?
Kola: Blackness is usually the only source of Strength and Stability these children will have access to.
Babygirl: If this is true, then wouldn't they have been better served to have had your sons be a shining example of that strength and ability, instead of having been denied the knowledge you and your children may have afforded them?
Kola: I have nothing further to say to you---PERIOD.
Babygirl: That's a shame because I have found you to be quite interesting and may have benefited from the experience of some of your wiser comments.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:51 am: |

TAKE NOTE:
Babygirl writes---
Where was the self-hate? A white mother of a biracial CHILD asked Kola to RESPECT that she and her black husband wanted their children to identify with the reality of BOTH their bloodlines.
KOLA:
(**THAT is NOT what happened. A White Mother, as I explained, at a BIRTHDAY PARTY came flying at me with a snotty retort about her child's being Bi-racial and NOT black, because she was offended that my gift to the child was a stack of Famous Sports Legends...all of whom were black. I GUESS BABYGIRL FAILED TO READ ALL THESE "DETAILS". Said Mother then accused me of deliberately not putting any White Men in the stack and informed me that HER SON is half "white man". ON TOP OF THIS---I was already peeved by my sons complaining that her son constantly look at their beautiful African hair and ask, "Why is your hair like that?" This has occurred enough times for my sons to report it to me---and this child has a father whose hair is AFRICAN, so why hasn't he learned from HIS FATHER and his "conscious" white mother??? This child has seen COUNTLESS black children---why would he be asking such a question??)
BABYGIRL SAYS:
It wasn't about preferring one over the other but about acknowleding the existence of both.
KOLA:
(HOW does she know? I live near the woman, not BabyGirl, and the woman is totally REGRETFUL that she has Mixed Children, favors her Whitest looking children and clearly dosn't want her children to identify with "blacks". She says that word "blacks" with a THUD. The stupid black father doesn't even RAISE the children and acts as though he's ashamed to be "black" himself---you all know the type. Holding up his White children as though they're some SHIELD against his blackness and VALIDATION of his "worth" at the same time. A "nigger" to be blunt.)
BABYGIRL:
Kola has asked others to RESPECT how she wants her children to view themselves. There is no difference in what these two mothers want for their babies.
KOLA:
That's right. And I don't want my sons exposed to the mixed up, racially ambiguous Bi-racial children who are taking their Black parent's self-hatred one step further now that they can actually look Non-Black.
More power to them.
But Black Children are TOO GOOD for that.
Let me point out that I DO have "mixed race" children in my family who are NOT colorstruck, do not think themselves superior OR inferior and do not fail to praise the black part of them when in the company of blacks---which is what they SHOULD do. LIKENESS is what makes kinship, whether HUMANS want to acknowledge that fact or not.
And my sons are too SUPERIOR to be bothered with THOSE White trash half-breed types who can't see the beauty in black people but can CLAIM to be "black" when it's convenient.....and only want black people AROUND so they can have someone to feel BETTER THAN.
The TRUTH is the TRUTH.
And there it is...
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:00 am: |

The truth according to myopic Kola. Been to the optometrist lately? And don't be taking any bows in the parenting category especially since yo babies' daddy ain't providing a very stable home environment since he left you for a younger woman. And who could blame him.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:10 am: |

Kola: LIKENESS is what makes kinship, whether HUMANS want to acknowledge that fact or not.
Babygirl: I agree. Bottom line, we all bleed red. What greater LIKENESS could there be?
Kola: And my sons are too SUPERIOR to be bothered with THOSE White trash half-breed types
Babygirl: Perhaps and perhaps not. Superiority is a state of mind. I would only hope that as your children become the strong, black men you want them to be that they are wise enough to also be gracious and humble because haughtiness, and blatant disrespect for those they deem to be inferior to them can quickly become their downfall. History has witnessed many a king, and even a Queen or two, knocked squarely off the golden pedestals they themselves placed beneath their arrogant asses.
Have a pleasant evening, Kola. The pleasure has been mine.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:12 am: |

I was put up for adoption by my Egyptian grandmother---because my skin is dark and people would have realized that she herself is not Turkish Beja, but Arab Black.
She couldn't have that.
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Each year in Egypt, White Arab couples are visited by recessive genes that occasionally produce.....a Black child.
These children are DROWNED at birth, because they're.....black.
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In Sudan right now, millions of people in DARFUR are being "exterminated" and "terrorized".....because they are CHARCOAL colored and are not bastardized like the Black Arabs who are paid by WHITE ARABS to exterminate them.
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In the United States, I see the same damned pattern.
All the black women in movies MUST BE "mixed"---a black woman is too black to play the leading lady if there's romance or if she's supposed to be "PRetty".
Black Men in American overwhelming choose LIGHT SKINNED women as their wives, and when they possible, they walk past those yellow girls for a WHITE GIRL or Non-Black woman.
They marry....FOR COLOR. And anyone who can't see that phenomenon is a goddamned FOOOL.
This nation is RAMPANT with "colorism" in the Black Community.
There have been 500 books written about it by now. It is becoming SO EXTRAVANTLY visible that people can't help but talk about it.
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My ENTIRE life's journey as a dark skinned black woman from Africa.....has been ALTERED and SMEARED by the experience of colorism.
I don't give a damn how the lightskinned yellow people FEEL about my rage, my anger and my pain.
This last year....I had the chance to CHOOSE authors and have them published by my publisher, Door of Kush.
The FIRST person I chose, because he's such a good writer and such a wonderful black man....was Chris Hayden.
Chris Hayden is VERY VISIBLY high yellow.
If I hate lightskinned people so much---then why did I pick this man to edit and publish and to promote???
The truth is....I see Chris as a "Black" man and as my brother.
When I "DISCUSS" these issues of colorism and their effects, I am not in any way thinking about real people as much as I am thinking about "Statistics" and the facts of color in society.
Acknowledging these facts and relating my own suffering from Colorism does not preclude me from loving and being close to "lightskinned" people.
But when they try to prohibit me from speaking out about the ways in which White Supremacy CREATES a caste system and benefits those light skinned people......THEN I became angry and hateful towards them, because I can see that they are trying to protect and preserve the system that benefits them.
Cynique is an IDEAL EXAMPLE of a light skinned woman who claims to want "justice" for black people-----but also fights to protect and ensure the SYSTEM of colorism that elevates her in Hierarchy above others who are darker. NOWHERE was this more evident, IMO, than in the novel she wrote.
Her colorism was on display and very clear---although I do suspect and believe that she was not aware of her colorism.
Her writing certainly wasn't deliberate, with regard to color, it was merely....what she's always KNOWN, what she comes from, what she's used to.
Still---she's colorstruck.
AND PERHAPS I AM, TOO.
I don't deny it. Perhaps I have become so bitter that I now am the very thing that I attack.
But I can also honestly say that if I am---then I don't give a fuck.
I'm ready to live in a world where blackness is loved, desired and celebrated, and the older I get, the less I care how it's achieved or who has to be eliminated in order for it come to be.
That's not right, but maybe that's necessary.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:18 am: |

Cynique---
Forget about Thomas and I. Yes, he left me and won't be coming back and yes, he's dating a younger woman who is more beautiful than me and more submissive than I was able to be. I am heartbroken, downtrodden and truly, truly shattered. I feel old, unattractive and without as many options as there seems to be for him.
But the important thing is that he speaks with his sons EVERY DAY on the telephone and he comes here to see them several times a week.
He is a wonderful, WONDERFUL father and I could not have such intelligent, SENSITIVE, well-adjusted sons if I had not chosen the right man to begin with.
He provides us with a gorgeous comfortable home, I never have to ask him for money for the boys and he praises me and respects me in front of my sons.
I feel that as a mother, I have done far better....than as a woman, but hopefully, some bit of my literature will change that, too.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:23 am: |

MOCK ARROGANCE and "haugtiness"
should never be confused with
.....Real true ARROGANCE and "haughtiness".
And it takes a really perceptive and insightful person to know at which point a Harlot is simply PLAYING QUEEN, and at which point a Queen is simply running naked in the wilderness---because she wants to be free and never USED her royal chair to sit on in the first place.
When you bring a bitch---you get one back.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:34 am: |

Kola says:
"Cynique is an IDEAL EXAMPLE of a light skinned woman who claims to want "justice" for black people-----but also fights to protect and ensure the SYSTEM of colorism that elevates her in Hierarchy above others who are darker. NOWHERE was this more evident, IMO, than in the novel she wrote.
Her colorism was on display and very clear---although I do suspect and believe that she was not aware of her colorism."
Cynique responds:
"Just get off your high horse, Kola, and get real. You don't know jack about me. You've never met me and never taked to me and no nothing of my personal history. You've tried to format me into your little belief system on the basis of a novel whose focus wasn't about race. You are so subjective in judgments of people that nothing you say carries any weight. The statements you make are presumptuous and untrue.
But you obviously derive great comfort from believing as you do.
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 07:42 am: |

Kola: "And it takes a really perceptive and insightful person to know at which point a Harlot is simply PLAYING QUEEN..."
Babygirl: Finally, they have seen their own reflection and have spoken some words of TRUTH....
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Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 11:21 am: |

Hello Everyone
It seems this topic of light vs dark always pops up from time to time on this board causing all the usual in-fighting. It's part of the reason I wrote my first novella, Althea, which deals with the feelings of light-skinned individuals and the treatment they receive from their own race and whites, due to the color of their skin. It's a never ending battle of trying to prove your blackness to those who feel you are a sell-out. Look at these two posts:
Kola: I'm sick and tired of the PRIVILEAGE that comes from being a Mulatto---and the fact that they BENEFIT from racism and White Supremacy, yet claim, when it's convenient that they are BLACK.
Linda: Many blacks seem to feel this way when asked for their opinion. As far as benefits of prejudice, it is two sided. There is no right or wrong answer as to why it exists still today in 2005. However, it does and though Kola may be brutal in her opinions, there is a truth to much of what she complains about. Society has shown that it does prefer light over dark for many ignorant reasons, (television, employment, etc)but does that mean that the blame should be hoisted upon the shoulders of light-skinned people? Not all light-skinned individuals feel this is a privileage when it drives the wedge of hatre between them and the black race, of which they belong but are not fully accepted. Should they not take jobs and be in videos because darker skinned individuals feel they shouldn't be there? Is it their fault that society has for years decided to tolerate light over dark?
Babygirl: What are their PRIVILEGES and BENEFITS? It's my opinion that those of mixed race probably have it harder - too black to be white / too white to be black/ battling not one race for respect, but two.
Linda: This is my opinion as well, which I stated in my book. For those light skinned individuals it is a daily task of proving their blackness, whether it be to whites on the job or to their black co-workers who believe they are getting special treatment. However, for an individual who is darker skinned this same arguement can be made that they are often laughed at, talked about, etc. This is why I understand Kola's views, though not necessarily all of them. Perhaps in a perfect world we would all be one shade of black, in the middle of the hue and feel less threathened. We wouldn't be silently praying or conveying to our children that they marry and have children based on color. Since that is not the case we will continue to read, hear and witness these issues of color. For some odd reason, when confronted with issues of color with-in our race we will always need to find an excuse for our problems...one we can't obviousely fix...by doing exactly as we accuse the white man of doing...teaching our children to segregate.

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