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Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 188
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 10:29 am: | 
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Thought i'd share this with everyone.
There is a movie out called MOOLAADE'.
"It is an African drama about female genital mutilation, rooted in lively folk narrative traditions, is the most powerful political film on the screen today-a work of art with the potential to change the world."
The film was directed by a male director from Senegal named Ousmane SEMBENE.
Bleek- |
Brelei715
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Username: Brelei715
Post Number: 79
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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Thanks for the info Bleeky Bleek.... |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 363
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:13 am: |
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BLEEK---
Ousmane Sembene is my all time favorite filmmaker. I have written MANY poems about him. My book "Long Train to the Redeeming Sin" is dedicated to him.
Just the mention of his name evokes a swell of emotion, because he is one of the heroes of my life....and he is my dream of the ultimate black man. Shame he's over 85 and near death.
He is one of the greatest men that ever lived in my opinion.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 364
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:15 am: |
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You should rent Sembene's film "Guelawar". It's one of my all time favorite films.
Sembene is the greatest black filmmaker of this century and the last. He is absolutely without peer.
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Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 189
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:22 am: |
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Kola,
Thank you. I will rent it. I hope that I can find it in my area. I have found that since i've moved, the movie rental places have the absolute worse foreign movie section!! The selection is very slim, but I will check around.
I'd like to ask you Kola, how you feel about a male directing such a film?
Do you think that such a perspective is absolutely important? Necessary? Why? Why not?
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 365
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:44 am: |
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Ousmane Sembene's first film in 1964 was called "BLACK GIRL". It's about a white French couple who rape and mentally abuse their charcoal colored maid (a young Senegalese girl, who because of her darkness, is given away to this couple by her own people) and consider her to be an animal.
What black man do you know of...who would care enough in 1964 to make his FIRST film be called "Black Girl" (which, incidentally, is the very first film made by an BLACK AFRICAN filmmaker)?
Sembene is no ordinary black man. HE LOOOOVES black women. ONLY HE has ever presented the image of the authentic black woman in film after film---showing her true face, her true hair, her real joy and her real experiences. He does it just as I write my books--unflinchingly. He is totally committed to her truth and he respects her and is the ONLY MAN ON EARTH who raises the hidden issues that haunt the lives of black girls.
ALL...ALL of his films are written with black women as the "core goodness" and "worth" of the community. When he shows a black female villain, we are shown a REASON why she became so evil and wrongheaded. He also features very powerful black male characters in every film, but the women are the backbone and OTHER of the men. It's so enchantingly beautiful.
His film "Guelawar" is magnificently beautiful. You cannot watch that film and not be proud to be from West Africa--that's why I always try to get Black Americans to watch it. To really see the REAL West Africa from an authentic Black Man's eye.
Sembene is also the very first African man to write a novel about the "insecurity" behind black Muslim men's need for "multiple wives"--he shows the lack of value placed on women and the selfishness of black African society. Sembene started as a novelist and has written many wonderful books...but his films are better.
Sembene is my hero in life. Right there with Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, my father, Marvin Johnson and what few others we have. Randall Robinson.
My goal is to become JUST LIKE Sembene. I want to move from novels and literature and begin to make films. I have so many brilliant film ideas, but I have to get financing and that's hard to do without some kind of "public worth". As a star writer with a known name---the banks will be more inclined to loan me $2 million so that I can go to an Island and make a film that LOOKS like it cost $10 million.
Raoul Peck, a black from central America, is another filmmaker and hero of mines. I loved his film about "Lumumba".
I like Spike Lee, but I still have a lot of complaints with his work. SPIKE LEE, by the way, won me over when he went on the TONIGHT SHOW and admitted that he was "colorstruck and that most black men he grew up with are". I fell in love with him...because the community was outraged at his honesty. But it helped me to appreciate his films better, because when African people watch American films.....the MAIN THING....we notice is how the "mother" couldn't possibly be the mother of those pretty black kids or how there's no real black women in the movies---just these imitation black women, yet the men are BLACK. That's the drawback, for me, a Sudanese, in trying to enjoy many of Spike Lee's films. He's also homophobic and sexist.
Sembene is not sexist. I've never seen a black filmmaker with his range of sensitivity and understanding and with such an absolute love for BLACKNESS.
Others may go to church and squeal like pigs for GOD....but I get strength from Ousmane Sembene and Toni Morrison more than I do any church service.
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Brelei715
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Username: Brelei715
Post Number: 82
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:49 pm: |
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Kola you've been going to the wrong Church!!! If ever you walk into the 'house of the Lord' and come out feeling nothing it can only be one of 2 things...#1} the church you are in is not properly teaching the word of God and there are probaley more hyprocrites there than there are saints. #2} you have distanced yourself/heart/soul from the love of God so he has distanced himself from you...it's such an ugly feeling to feel distanced from God. To be in church or a place period to see people feeling the spirit and you feel absolutely nothing at all. I've been there and don't ever want to go back. I sure wish you lived near me, I'd invite you to church and I am willing to bet my life that you'd leave blessed and feeling really really good. |
Brelei715
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 01:02 pm: |
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ill...i just saw that squeal like pigs comments. just like we let the 'white man' take credit for building this great country we let the white man take credit for God...that is one of the strongholds that our people have. Once we realize that God is not about color (Jesus was a black man by the way, not that it really matters) that he is about love, forgiveness and life we will be on the road to 'gettin' it right'. I read a book when I was younger (I've have been trying to locate it) where they show the churches that were built in Africa...they were built underground and shaped like a cross. You'd have to know how to get in because just to walk up on it you just fall, anyway they did to avoid muslim invasions...why would they do that if 'we' didn't learn about Christianity until we arrived on slave ships? Also when King James sent his settlers over to 'America' the sole purpose was to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to uplift and build up his kingdom...you won't read that in His Story books {that is really our only purpose in life...to spread the word and love of God} but when they got over hear instead of spreading love they found greed and instead of showing the Native American...Original Americans that love they stole their land and murdered them hence forth....this confusion and evil fueled future we have now. God didn't ruin anything...Man did!!!
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 367
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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Brelei
I get sick and tired of WEAK people who hide behind the church...getting on God's fucking nerves, because they're not strong enough to love and protect their own children or HUMAN ENOUGH to embrace their own image and cherish it.
Sembene and Toni Morrison give me the SPIRITUAL IN ACTION.
The real world...being ripped apart and made over by competent, healthy people with a real vision of progress and not a bunch of hypocrital Hooping and Hollering before they go see R. Kelly's new concert that night.
I love GOD. But I'm not an American, I'm not a Christian and I'm not a Muslim.
And our crucifix in Africa...is the woman's naked breast. Not a cross.
I never said that GOD ruined anything. But I like my African GOD more than I like your God.
My church is at the river with my bare breasts in the sun and my sons at my side...singing and praying.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1905
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:04 pm: |
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Kola,
I too will try to score a subtitled version of one of Sembene. Because any BLACK MALE worthy to the kind of praise that you give him must be a hellovah artist and man.
Question: Why is female circumcision a more negative/heinous that male circumcision? Because many, if the majority, of newborn males in the US are circumcised.
In fact, the Jews not only clip the unanesthetized foreskin of their helpless newborn sons, they even make a party out of the event.
Yet, no one really complains about that.
PS: Should we have learned from all the Israel/Palestinian, Islamic, Jewish, Christian, etc. strife that it is better to allow others to believe what/how they prefer to? |
Brelei715
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:14 pm: |
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To each his/her own Kola, I can only respect your opinion. I don't agree with it but I will respect it. I can only assure you that you have been attending the wrong churches if you get absolutely nothing out it. There is no American God and there is no African God...There is just God. I don't consider myself WEAK either and I don't hide behind God, I standly boldly with him and claim his son to be my Lord and savior. I'm sorry that you feel that way but unfortunately due to alot of hyprocricy you are not the only one. AND YES KOLA PEOPLE DO GET ON GOD'S NERVES, it's shameful to say but they do.
But then again what would you expect, children are suppose to get on their Father's nerves...
Out of curiousity, why do put R. Kelly in everything, is that the only gripe you can find about us as black people. If so girl, get ya pen cause I have a whole lot to add to that list.... |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 368
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:18 pm: |
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Being a MALE...have you experienced any of the following?
1) Female circumcision causes women's "period" to last 3 weeks instead of 4 days. They often must have it through a straw.
2) Sex is excruciatingly painful for females, because their vaginal lips and hole are sewn shut until the marriage night when the groom cuts it open with a small knife. The muscles of their vaginas are often also sewn together!
3) MOST Muslim girls with FMG have their lips cut off and their clitoris removed. Luckily, my mother was a Gisi-Waaq and did not allow my clitoris to be removed.
4) As you can see---there is no comparison to the two acts. One is simply a "marking" on males that doesn't adversely affect their lives......the other act is FOR MEN to mold a woman's female parts into such a way that it makes his penis seem far bigger than it really is...and causes the female HORRIFIC pain and discomfort....FOR LIFE.
And because YOU KNOW that I have suffered all my life with this condition...I can't believe you aren't intentionally trying to inflict anguish by daring to compare men's circumcision to women's.
Yes...after my two fathers, I love Ousmane Sembene more than any man on earth. I love him even more than Thomas.
Sembene is the hero of my life.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD...WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD. BUT I DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANITY AND I DON'T LIKE ISLAM. OR ANY...man-made religion.
I demand a woman's religion.
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Brelei715
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Username: Brelei715
Post Number: 86
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:19 pm: |
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Abm said: PS: Should we have learned from all the Israel/Palestinian, Islamic, Jewish, Christian, etc. strife that it is better to allow others to believe what/how they prefer to?
I totally agree with you Abm, that is why not only do I, but I must respect Kola's opinion. As it is written God has given us all FREE WILL to beleive what we want to and to choose the life we want. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 369
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:24 pm: |
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THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD...WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD. BUT I DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANITY AND I DON'T LIKE ISLAM. OR ANY...man-made religion.
I demand a woman's religion.
Jesus Christ (Yaweh Cissa) and all the characters from your religion....are in my religion as well.
I just don't like men's religions and I don't believe in LOVING MY ENEMIES until they're dead or been brought to justice, I don't believe in turning the other cheek....and I WANT action. I want a better world for little black girls to grow up in and the church doesn't give a shit about little black girls or black children in general for that matter. Right now, (and I am generalizing)...I don't like our men very much. We need to give birth (meaning RAISE) to some new ones and kill the bad ones. PRONTO!
Our people, worldwide, are WEAK. THey stand in the same fucking spot for hundreds of years, the same cycle of self hate and scratching ones head...over..and over...and over.
I love GOD and my life has bloomed and begun to heal in my own women's religion.
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Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 190
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:27 pm: |
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Abm,
I think that it is very necessary that you understand that what happens to females is not a circumcision. It is a mutilation. And, I think that choice of expression when speaking on issues such as this is vital. Circumcision is looked upon with an eye of approval for the most part in this country and it is something done to males.
By referring to female mutilation as "circumcision" you actually detract from the seriousness of it.
Female MUTILATION, is not male circumcision.
And, males do not suffer and die and have painful sex and get "circumcised" with rusty tools that cause infections.
I'm sure Kola can enlighten you better than anyone on why it is not circumcision.
Abm, as to your last question:
"Should we have learned from all the Israel/Palestinian, Islamic, Jewish, Christian, etc. strife that it is better to allow others to believe what/how they prefer to?"
I have thought on that question as well. I've also considered those girl children fleeing their homes, creating support groups and shelters for the next girl and speaking out against female mutilation themselves-all at the risk of death, being ostracized and who know's what else.
Bleek-
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Brelei715
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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Kola,
Please claify something for me...you would respect religion and be able to 'beleive' it only if it was a WOMAN-made religion? Can you explain that to me please? I'm a bit confused. |
Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 191
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:33 pm: |
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P.S.
Abm I think that I misinterpreted the last question in your last post. You were referencing Kola and Brelei's discussion on "God". I thought you were referencing female mutilation and so I answered accordingly.
My mistake-
Bleek- |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 370
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:33 pm: |
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BLEEK--
only because I'm a vain woman who has been a model and was once, in my youth, a beauty---do I refrain from describing my genitals as "mutilated".
But of course you're right. They are.
And MEN...just love it. (**wiping my tears away)
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Brelei715
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Post Number: 88
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:37 pm: |
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OK, I read your next post and I see where you are coming from (somewhat). I don't feel it, but I respect it. I don't know about nobody else becuause I can only speak for my church but we care about our children {girls AND boys}, including the children that don't directly belong to us. I've been attending that church since I was about 6 and with the exception of my mother and grandmother it has been the grandest love I've ever received and I see the love being trickled down to my children.
Oh and i'm not sure if this matters but my pastor.....SHE is the bomb!!! A true teacher/preacher of THE WORD. |
Brelei715
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Post Number: 89
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:39 pm: |
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Kola they are??? does it hurt for you to have 'relations' and was child birth much more difficult than it should have been? why do men love it? because it hurts you??? that makes me sad...
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Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 192
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:40 pm: |
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KOLA BOOF!!!!!
I am sooooo sorry if I offended or was hurtful to you via the thoughts in my post!!!!
While my post is my belief--wounding you is not my intention.
YOU'RE MAKING MEEEE CRY!!!
Bleek-
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 371
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:43 pm: |
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Breilei,
I'm a Nilotic from the NILE RIVER.
Have you never heard of ISIS?
All of our indigenous religions are "womb" based and are created by our MOTHERS or presided over by women. Our religions are tied to either RAH (the SUN) or to BUK (the River).
My church is the "river". Or any body of water.
A "religion" is an institution through which you worship GOD. It is not GOD itself. It is a "schooling" that teaches about your GOD.
Christianity is a man-made religion made up of figures (Solomon, Christ, Abraham, Moses) STOLEN from African Semetic peoples (the Falasha, black Jews) and their religious stories.
In your WESTERN culture...you only have MEN'S religions, all of which recreate MARY as "White" and her son painted over as "White blond, Blue eyed". The African names Mariama and Yaweh Cissa are replaced with Mary and Jesus Christ. You call IBRAHIM "Abraham".
I don't like men's religions--I was born ISLAMIC and especially can't tolerate THAT religion. I raised in America as a BAPTIST...and now....I prefer the African women's religions of my own homeland---because they're infinitely better for both women and men.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 372
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:49 pm: |
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BLEEK, please don't cry.
You HAVE NOT offended me in any way.
Remember...it's my foolish vanity that precludes me from saying that I'm "mutilated".
But you're totally right. I'm disfigured.
Please don't cry. I am at great peace.
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Yes, Breili, it's PURE HELL to have a child. I can't even begin...to describe the inhumanity of having one.
Also, during pregnancy, I could not have sex for more than a year before, during and after. So I brought in co-wives to give Thomas sex. Because I could not bear him to wait that long for me. But I notice pregnant American women can have sex all during pregnancy.
And yes, SEX...is very painful, because a cut woman is a "perpetual virgin" for life. I'm 36 and still like a 12 yr. old down there. But, the fact is.....the women still enjoy the sex. I am addicted to the pain. I could not enjoy sex without the pain...because it's all I know. And it's just sick.
Men love this condition, because it takes hours to sex their wives. Penetration by itself takes forever.
It's horrible.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1909
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:59 pm: |
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Kola,
I don’t intend to "inflict anguish" upon you of any kind. I was simply asking a question and making a comparison.
I have never had a woman share with me in person that she’s circumcised (I’ve never asked. But then, why would I?).
And I’m not circumcised. So, frankly, I, personally, am unaware of the troubles that might ensue from it.
The whole concept of what you talk about foreign to me, and I imagine many people (especially males) who read this post.
But I have never heard/read that circumcised men experience anything that is even remotely as horrific as what you describe.
If you are going to continuE to talk freely about this subject, you might want to steel yourself to withstand others responding to it in a way/manner that you might not entirely appreciate. Otherwise, your ability to advocate the cessation of this practice may be hampered. |
Brelei715
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:05 pm: |
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OK now miss Kola we are getting somewhere...I can say I feelz ya now. Yes MAN MADE religion to worship Mary as a white woman and Jesus as a blond haired blue eyed man when that is not what they were. That is exactly why God requested that we form no idol images of him...why? because they deter you from the truth. Worshipping God has never been about nor should it ever been made about color. And yes Ibriham translated to Abraham in English...you are correct....just as julio tanslates to july in english...there are millions and trillions of ways to say God in different languages...God, Allah, Jehovah bottom line is can you decifer the truth from what man has made?
And yes I heard of Isis, I've heard of a lot of african gods, as well as greek gods and so forth but I beleive (i prefer to say I know because beleiving can always leave room to beleive something else)in God and God only....not the Gods but God and I truly beleive that he sent his son...Jesus Christ (emanuel, noel, yaweh...or whatever name we want to use) to this earth and I beleive with all my heart that he walked this earth to 'walk in our shoes'....ever heard that you can't say nothing until you've WALKED IN MY SHOES...to see just how hard being on earth can be and I beleive with every once of my breath that he died for our sins and that he rose on that 3rd day and decended to heaven where they are preparing a place for us all...the question that only remains is who will accept and who will not. If those beliefs and those words make me WEAK than WEAK i shall always be....but I sho do feel a whole lot stronger...You know Kola, at first I didn't 'like' you too much(not that it matters, who am I?) but when you present yourself as the strong black afican queen that you are (and leave out the all craziness) you can really be a interesting and intriguing person. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 375
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:21 pm: |
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Brelei, I don't care what you believe or how you believe it.
It's your soul.
You asked me about mines.
Thanks. In Africa, when people annoint someone a "Queen"...they mean that she is a good daughter and keeps the front walk way swept.
ABM...I love you.
You just refuse to undertand...how DAMAGED I am...and nevermind.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 376
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:23 pm: |
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I am "NOT" strong.
I don't why people can't see that.
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Brelei715
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Post Number: 93
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:49 pm: |
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Kola,
2 things... 1st and most importantly for more than one person to see strength in you can only mean that YOU are the one who can't see it. For you to have gone through some of the things that you have endured and still be here shows strength. You may lack in compassion but that does not take away from your strength...your character, maybe but not your strength. and on top of that you are a black woman....black woman regardless whether they are from Africa, the carribean, america or where ever...WE ARE THE EPIPHANY OF STRENGTH...write that down miss Kola and don't ya ever...EVER NEVER EVER forget it.
now to # 2 you say you don't care what i beleive because you didn't ask me....please refer to bottom
Kola said: Breilei,
I'm a Nilotic from the NILE RIVER.
Have you never heard of ISIS?
and i just answered you momma..... |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1093
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:57 pm: |
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We say you're strong Brei, cuz that's what shows through when you post, a strong confident and outspoken young woman. Maybe you just don't realize or give yourself enough credit for that.
BTW How was yo weekend girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl????!!!! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 380
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 04:08 pm: |
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I disagree Breilei.
I don't think black woman are STRONG.
I think they ENDURE a lot....they train themselves to TAKE a lot.
But strong?
This is exactly why I understood Zora Neal Hurston's remark about black women being the "mule of the world". But then, they think that being a mule is "strength".
I think white women are stronger.
I really do.
And I think black women are WEAK and that is why they produce sons who don't honor them....and daughters who generation after generation are content to sit at the back life's buffet. Serving and praying.
I don't think we're STRONG.
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A_womon
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Post Number: 1094
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 04:15 pm: |
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oops sorry kola, bre it thought it was bre saying she wasn't strong! MY BAD!! teehee thas whut I gits fa dippin in somebody else koo-laide |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
You and Kola make some salient points here. But I would advise you to understand that many of the rest of us are not versant in this subject.
I was referring to what one believes. But I don’t confuse someone being assaulted and mutilated with religious freedom. Religion should NOT grant one license to do harmful things to other people. |
Abm
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Kola,
Baby. I don't know how else to tellyah. But if you are going to propose discarding all male-dominated religion and replace them with a faith based around the female menstral cycle...you sure as F#$% BETTER be "strong". |
Bleekindigo
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Abm--
Did I come off as if I did not understand that many folks are "not versant" in the subject?
Bleek- |
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ABM said: "Question: Why is female circumcision a more negative/heinous that male circumcision? Because many, if the majority, of newborn males in the US are circumcised."
I'm sure you've had an eye-ful about this by now, but for a fictionalized version of these ceremonies that I thought was very realistic, see Alice Walker's Posessing the Secret of Joy. It is the story of Tashi from The Color Purple. She has married Adam (Celie's son), but she has been horribly mutilated by female circumcision. It expands on the psycholigical devastation that this procedure causes. Excellent book.
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Brelei715
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Kola, I definately don't agree with that...have you ever been in the store with white kids and black kids...black woman raise up there children it's just that sometimes they become products of their society. I feel very sad for you because that is what THEY want you to think. That you are not strong and they are stronger...I also think you may have MISinterpeted that mule of the world comment...fist of all mules take the kickin' but they keep on tickin'...we are abused, misused, disrespected constantly but WE continue to strive (and still...i rise) also without the mule we'd all starve...without that poor old mule, the farmer could not tend to his harvest...I can only pray that you find your strength one day...with a comment like that you are right, you have no strength...obviously someone stole it and only you can get it back...
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Bleekindigo
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YES. THAT IS AN EXCELLENT BOOK.
Speaking of Alice Walker, She and Pratibha Parmar collaborated on a book called Warrior Marks.
It consists of interviews with women who have been mutilated, activists, women who have actually performed the procedure, journal enteries etc. It was also a film of their travels in Africa speaking with the women on this issue.
Bleek- |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
You started this thread, darling.
I am simply saying you probably know more about this than most others do. So if you are going to make it a subject of discussion here, you should share MORE of what you know (which is what you did only AFTER Kola chastize my making an, albeit fallacious, male-female comparsion).
Otherwise, clueless/insentitive louts, like Yours Truly, is going to continue to think/spout off nonsensical crap.
Brelei,
I love and respect Kola unapologetically. She is, to me, like a dream of something that I expect but thought could never be.
Kola Boof is my hero!
But I think that as long as Kola view Black men as she does, she is going to struggle.
Because 1/2 of all female is male and half of all male is female. None of us is really whole without the other, thus neither will prevail without the other. |
Abm
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Lawchic,
Thanks for the referral. I'll try to get to it sometime soon. |
Kola_boof
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But Brelei,
You prove my point.
You said that a mule takes a lick'n but keeps on tick'n and continue to strive and still rise.
That's what a SLAVE does, too.
And it's not STRENGTH....it's ENDURANCE.
To me, strength is when you have the courage of vision to CHANGE your reality, to stand up for yourself.
And I have not seen significant black women in Africa OR the U.S. do that--society wise.
Just living in America, where black men so despise black women....and where black women have produced these self-hating bastards generation after generation and not been woman enough to kill these mutant misogynist fuckers off and GIVE BIRTH TO A NEW SON!!!!
is proof to me, that they're weak.
Every time a black woman opens her goddamned mouth she's making excuses for "black men"--defending why "black men" are the way they are.....but won't hesistate to down another black woman or to dye her hair blond (imitating the woman he really wants, because she herself worships that caucasoid bitch) or claim that she LOVES BEING FAT and OUT OF SHAPE or that "Jesus" is her man--because nobody else wants to fuck her.
How do you continuously defend someone like Michael Jackson who has told the whole world how much he HATES his own goddamned people and especially his own mother's image?
I just don't understand it.
That's not STRONG.
When we stand up as BLACK WOMEN and knock these fucking white bitches off their pedestal, put black men's Hip Hop OUT OF BUSINESS and give birth to a son who HONORS our own image.....THEN I'll consider us strong.
I don't like how black women live in this society and I REFUSE...I REFUSE to be treated like they are or to live with this bullshit. And I'm not raising my sons to be HO-ass little nigger boys who can't wait to breed their own faces off the planet and think of their own mothers and sisters as "black history" rather than "the highest in the land".
There's some SERIOUS shit wrong over here with these men and yet the Black Woman just keeps churning these sorry motherfuckers out and raising them to disrespect her, despise her and abandon her.
All because she's NOT strong. And THIS humiliation she will endure, too.
But not my black ass. I'M TOO FUCKING GOOD. And I will bash a white child's head in and I will chop a black motherfucker's dick off and donate it to his church quicker than you can say "Mother Africa."
And Black Women back in Africa...are even weaker than you are. They're nothing but fucking doormat maids who can't imagine a better life for themselves. They're waiting for Black men to give them permission.
You want to meet the sorriest black bitches you ever saw....go to Africa.
SO NO...I don't see us as "strong".
But I thank GOD that I'm crazy as hell.
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Kola_boof
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ABM
I have...NEVER....NEVER said that we would prevail "without" black men.
We cannot make it without black men.
The problem is....the ones like you, my father and other good ones are TOO SCARCE and don't make themselves heard.
For those of us black women living today---there's no hope.
But we can damn sure leave our daughters and descendents some good black men if we would stop creating these self-hating, selfish "be about nothing" niggerstock men that over populate the landscape today.
BLACK WOMEN...."desperately".....need to come together consciously and give birth to a new black son. Not more niggerstock, but a son who HONORS us.
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Bleekindigo
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Abm-
I'm glad you'll be trying to pick up a Sembene film.
Bleek-
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Abm
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Kola,
I understand. But if the vast majority of us are $#*+, then it would seem that you and those who believe as you do have an enormous task.
And what about all these wayward men anyway? You think that you will be able to re-educated the Black male seed unencumbered by its self-depreciating tree?
Bleekindigo,
Sure thing.
Heck, I figure if it'll help me score pinky points with you/Kola, why not?
Ladies
Uh...
<holdinghandwayup!>
In case anyone wants to prove me wrong, I can "take a licking and keep on ticking" too. |
Brelei715
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Well miss Kola, I can see where you are coming from so I can't really argue the point. I still see us a strong people but that is through my eyes and the people I have been surrounded by. I don't know about nobody elses but my momma who is a black woman IS and has always been a strong person. She is my idol, and I have seen very few that compare. Yes she has had her struggles but she has always overcome them and has always held her head up high...i know a few weak woman, black and white, but the ones I know that demonstate and possess strength far out way the ones that don't. And I have 3 cousins that were born...to black parents, black grandparents, black great, great-great, and great-great-greatgrandparents (can't confirm before then)and they all have sandy blond hair and one has grey eyes so if I choose to change my hair color {and i have} it would not be to look like a white woman, blond runs in my family {holla holla holla holla holla}!!! i respect and definately understand how and why you feel like that though...
sssspppp, hey Abm...i can take a licking too.....hehehehehe |
Lawchic
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I think I understand some of Kola's argument that she is not strong.
Richard Calson wrote about stress that people who brag about being able to function better in high-stress situations are just begging for a heart attack because they are just taking on more and more stress at every opportunity. He said what we should be doing is tolerating less and less stress in our lives and that would only allow what little stress into our lives that we can accomodate.
So, does that argument transfer to strength? If we stop trying to be so strong, perhaps we will encounter fewer situations in which we have to be strong. Hmmm... |
Brelei715
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hmmm, that was deep Lawchic...maybe you are right, never looked at that way. we always say 'whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger', maybe in essence it should be 'what you think may make stronger may eventually kill you'. |
Abm
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Ladies,
I agree.
We all have for FAR too long enjoyed lionizing Black womanhood (which I think began during slavery) in ways that hurt both men and women.
Many sistahs kill themselves doing things (e.g., working and raising kids alone) that they should not have to do or do alone. And my brothahs evolve into self-indulgent, irresponsible, sado-masochistic lazy@$$e$.
Brelei,
Your turn of the popular "Whatever doesn’t kill you..." axiom is both clever and profound.
And Bleekindigo had already told me about what kind of "licking you like to take. I’ll let her tell how/why SHE knows about THAT. |
Kola_boof
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I think everyone here knows how much I love and respect Black women. I place no one above us.
But the truth is:
A mule endures what others will not endure.
A mule is not especially smart.
The child of a mule is called a mulatto.
Mules remain at their station and never evolve.
I just don't see any honor in "taking a licking and keep on ticking" or in being the mule of the world.
That's not STRONG.
Black women have accepted a terrible station in life. One of subservience and being "left out" of life's fun....and to me....we cruelly impose this on our daughters by snapping, "Be a strong black woman and take it like a man."
Be a strong black woman and take it like a man.
Other women in this society are considered "females"--but look at how even our own men are socialized to regard us. And I'm not talking about bi-racial women or high yellow women, I'm talking about AUTHENTIC black women.
And it's our fault...because we accept this bullshit and allow ourselves to be rendered invisible and inferior.
How does a strong woman, having a womb like she does, allow her own sons to become a part of those who would disallow her?
And let me tell you something...I am a black woman, not a woman of color. I do not want to be represented by a bunch of bi-racial women claiming to be me. As much as I love Halle Berry and Pearl Cleage and Kathleen Cross--they can't say shit on my behalf! They have not experienced...what I have experienced, but just a version of it. I want to see my own image and the image of authentic black women representing the voice and face of black womanhood.
Which is a great taboo in this colorist society.
And "the black man" will someday come to a debilitating shame when history forces him to see that it was....HIM....who took the biggest hand in killing his own mother. Because especially in America and Great Britain, that's what the black man does. He helps to ERASE his mother's entire existence.....and I do realize that many black women TEACH their sons to do this, because of their self-hatred and feelings of unworthiness.
Perhaps Sidney Poitier's mother would have just died if he married a young woman who looked like her.
Not a woman who looks like Diahann Carroll or Dorothy Dandridge....but a woman who looks like HER.
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Abm
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Actually, a mule is a non-reproductive hybrid of a horse and donkey. They have been artificially replicated to combine the speed/strength of the horse with the endurance of the donkey.
I know that isn't relevant to this discussion. But I thought that is an interesting factoid that some of you might like to ponder.  |
Kola_boof
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Thanks for that information, ABM.
I had read in an academic journal that the word "mulatto" meant child of a mule.
Your definition of a mule is even worse.
How tragic.
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Abm
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Kola,
Tragic indeed.
And you are welcome. Yeah. I have often thought that "mulatto" and "mule" were words that were cruelly attributed to Black people.
In fact, I have a difficult time describing people born to people of differing races. Because it seems to me that no matter what word(s) you use, you are almost inherently implying that they (and I guess that would include you, my sister) are somehow less than either of the races from which they were made. |
Kola_boof
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In my case, ABM...no one thinks of me as "mulatto" or "bi-racial"...unless I was back in Sudan.
Over here...I look like a pure black woman, so I cannot pretend that I've had to endure the pain that mixed women go through of having their identity picked apart and used against them.
But there are many "Southern Sudanese" who refer to me as "toko" (half breed) and don't trust me because I'm half Egyptian and speak mainly Arabic, wrote my first books in Arabic. That's a strike against me with some of them.
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Abm
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Kola,
So here you are 'the mighty Kola Boof'. But in the Sudan you're a "mule".  |
Brelei715
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ill Abm, you so nasty....you nasty boy you nasty, you nasty boy you nasty.....naaaaaaaasty going threw my miiiiiind....hahaha
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Abm
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Brelei,
I know. I KNOW!
But I can't help it!
Please PRAY for my soul. Cause I need ALL the prayer I can hustle up.
BTW: I got something stuck in my right pants pocket. Can you reach in there and pull that sucker out for me? |
Brelei715
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OK....{brelei reaching in}
ILL....WHAT IS THAT LITTLE THING????? |
Brelei715
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HAHAHA, i'm just playin' Abm...I already heard you was packin'... |
Cynique
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Question: Does female circumcision involve the clitoris? And when it is performed, can a woman still experience an orgasm? BTW, have any of you checked out the DaVinci Code? In it, the idea is advanced that male religious chauvinists portrayed Mary Magadalen as a fallen woman of ill repute but that she was actually Jesus' companion and consultant and maybe even his wife and that they have descendents walking the earth today. As for religion, like you Kola, I place my faith in no man. I believe the spirit of the almighy dwells in us all, that we all came from the God head and that we will all return to it. |
Abm
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Brelei,
I said stick your hand in MY right pocket, not Lambd's.
Hehe! |
Kola_boof
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Female Circumcision....includes removing the clitoris depending on what REGION you are in.
Of the 100 million African females who are circumcised, I would say that 70 million have NO CLITORIS, 30 million "DO". The other 400 million females are not even circumcised.
Because my mother was a Somali nomad, she refused to let my clitoris be removed....but MOST "Muslim" girls in Sudan and Egypt have their clitoris removed. I believe Morocco has outlawed the practice....Libya still does it big-time.
However, in nations like Gambia and South Africa, the mothers often won't let you remove the clitoris.
It's mostly MUSLIMS who have the clitoris removed. IN SENEGAL, because they're mostly Muslim (but a "weird" kind of VooDoo Muslim) they remove the clitoris.
Think this way:
SUN-caste tripes remove the clitoris...
River-caste tribes do not remove the clitoris...
Africans have two churches---the Sun or the River (which can also be rain or ocean)
with "tree" (representing man) as SAINT
and "bare breast" (representing God's power) as CRUCIFIX.
CYNIQUE:
I didn't want to say it, but in many Nilotic cultures, we are taught that Yaweh Cissa (JESUS) had several wives....and that Mary Magadalen (Mala Kipir) was the most beautiful and his favorite one and that his mother, Mariama, couldn't stand her.
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Cynique
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Is there any greater form of control exerted over a female than to deny her the pleasure that is her natural right? Men really do fear women. I'm guessing that this mutilation involves the idea that if a woman is "fixed," this will assure that she won't stray, that she won't seek gratification or expect fulfillment. |
Kola_boof
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African men have a saying Cynique.
Whenever you ask them: "Why is this required before you will marry a woman?"
They answer: "Would you leave YOUR front door open?"
Of course when White, Asian or Indian women come into our world....our men marry them and NEVER require them to become "purified".
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I finally saw this film tonight. It was beautiful, well-written, very poignant. The horror of female circumcision was conveyed without being graphic. I LOVED the strong female bonds portrayed.
Don't miss this film!
Now I want to see Sembene's "Faat Kine."
I would love to see "Black Girl," but a filmmaker friend told me the distributor sells it for $250!!! I'm holding out for a used copy on eBay. |
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