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Ntfs_encryption
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This is hard core. I had to share it. It is a dated article but nevertheless disturbing. I was very disappointed to see this kind of thinking still existing. I grew up in a time when this sad debased mentality was prevalent. I guess times have not changed as much as I had hoped. Does anyone have any personal experiences with this?
Fade to White
Skin Bleaching and the Rejection of Blackness
by N. Jamiyla Chisholm
Not long ago, veteran boxer Percy Oblitei Commey became the laughing stock of his country. The Ghanaian fighter not only lost his belt in a national super-featherweight bout, but he was also shamed before a championship audience who watched his skin quite literally peel away. As reported in the Ghana News Agency, Oblitei Commey's opponent opened a cut on his right cheek that cornermen just couldn't close. Then his nostrils and his right ear tore open, leaving him bleeding profusely, only to be jeered by the hostile crowd.
The reason his skin fell apart? He'd been bleaching it, a popular treatment in Ghana and other West African countries, to trade his dark appearance for a lighter one.
In a country where the people are dark and one's heritage is one's pride, Ghanaians are always happy to share a bit of their cultural history. Yet many are quietly continuing a chapter by fading to white. Locked in a practice that has gone on since the Europeans arrived in the 1500s, Ghanaians have been trying to lighten their skin, using various home recipes and commercial creams. "[Skin bleaching has] been going on for a long time, actually," says tour guide Nii Kpakpo Alloeei-Cofie. "I must say it began from when we had the British ruling over us."
These creams have made big news across Africa in recent years. Last May, Kenya banned the sale of many skin-bleaching products, a move followed by Uganda in August. The year before, skin specialists in Senegal also called for a ban. None of this has slowed the demand, in Africa or elsewhere. In November, a new cream called Solaquin hit the market.
Ghanaian officials have also been trying—without success—to ban bleaching products, while mounting public service campaigns about the harmful effects, including skin disease, that can come with stripping your natural pigmentation. The administration is helped by a small, determined group of African nationalists who are very vocal about the cultural regression of bleaching. They stand against the growing community of those seeking increased self-esteem in a lighter, brighter self.
The fight against skin bleaching is not limited to Africa. Hydroquinone, the leading ingredient found in most modern skin-lightening products, was first tried in the 1930s by some African Americans who found they could use it to fade discoloration. The chemical works by hindering the creation of melanin, causing dark colors to fade as older cells are replaced by bleached ones. Thought by some scientists to be a possible carcinogen, the substance is also used in the development of photos. Manufacturers of hydroquinone creams insist they're safe, but in 1995 then New York commissioner of consumer affairs Mark Green called for a ban on them.
The desire for lighter skin has proved tough to quell. Ghana won its independence in 1957, but many there get their views on skin color from a far earlier time. In 1844, local authorities and the queen signed an agreement stating that the British would protect what were then considered the thousand states of the Gold Coast. "At this point in time, people began to feel the European was superior to them," Alloeei-Cofie explains. "I mean, why not? All the fashionable things was based on European product. It became fashionable to wear European clothing, it became fashionable to try and speak like a European, and obviously it became fashionable for ladies and gentlemen to want to feel and look like Europeans."
This fashion craze can be seen in various parts of Ghana, but most notably in the capital, Accra. Salons offering beauty to Ghanaians use light women with long straight hair in their advertisements. Although the majority of these pictures don't represent the average Ghanaian woman, they seem to represent what some Africans deem beautiful. "I started bleaching because I wanted to get a new face," says 25-year-old Cecilia Animahh. "I wanted to look attractive."
The Great White Hope
"For a long time I never saw a black doll before," Alloeei-Cofie recalls. "All the dolls you see are white. All the dolls you see have long straight hair." Ghanaians aren't shy about saying their countrymen bleach because of identity crises. They will tell you that in their patriarchal world, women do not feel attractive unless they can lighten up.
While Selina Margaret Oppong, 50, says she started bleaching "with the aim to brighten up the skin," Maama Adwoa, a hairstylist who's against the practice, believes women fade "because they think they might look beautiful." Cecilia Animahh is even more blunt. "In Ghana," she says, "some of the men want bleaching girls."
What's ironic is that in Europe and the U.S., many lighter-skinned people intentionally tan to get a flawless, bronze complexion. On the shelves of our drugstores, we can find sunless tanning agents. Tanning salons can be found from 86th Street to the Village. And let's not forget the various cosmetics available in the form of powders and foundations that promise a healthy, golden glow.
But while the West nurtures a white culture in which pale is bad, for many in West Africa bleaching provides an escape mechanism—the lighter you are, the more attractive and financially secure you must be. Oblitei Commey and numerous others are believed to use skin-lightening products as a way to boost their social status. "The villagers normally do [it] because they think if you bleach your skin, you're somebody, you're well-to-do," scoffs Maama Adwoa. "It costs a lot of money."
The creams are packaged in toothpaste-like tubes and can be bought from the local market where cosmetics are sold. A tube can cost 15,000 cidis, which is a little over $2. This may not seem as though it would put a dent in anyone's purse, but when the average Ghanaian makes $200 a year, preserving light skin can be expensive. "You need a bit more than 10 [tubes] to get it light,"Adwoa explains, pointing to her dark arm, then mine. "They think if you do that you are rich."
Nevertheless, achieving that high white glow seems virtually impossible for many. "I started bleaching two years ago but stopped because I started developing very bad stretch marks," Diana Gyaamfua, 28, attests. In addition to stretch marks, skin bleachers usually take on the appearance of being sunburned—their faces turn brick red and puffy, with black splotches.
"The commonest complication of bleaching that we see is post-inflammatory hyper-pigmentation of the skin, especially at the areas around the eyes," says dermatologist Prosper Doe, of the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital in Kumasi. In lay terms, you start off looking for lighter, smoother skin, but end up darker and blotchy.
"If people look redder or have a stranger color, which in their eyes looks lighter than ours, they feel happier," the tour guide Alloeei-Cofie explains. African newspapers report that the trend among local women is growing. Any and all who can afford it do it: from the wives of public officials to the street vendors, the middle class to the poor. For those who fade, money is irrelevant. At the same time, this is a practice many Africans fear will cost more than money. "I can't go out in the sun because the sun is too hot," Animahh says.
For Abdullahi Gwarmai, the price was much bigger. He was fired from his job as speaker of the house of assembly in a northern Nigerian state. The practice is forbidden under Islamic law. But Gwarmai wasn't buying that explanation. "I have bleached my skin since childhood, and everyone knows this," he told the Inter Press Service. "My removal has political undertones. The issue of bleaching is not a good reason for my removal."
This is a Warning
The dangers go beyond cultural and political problems. "There is suspicion of an increased risk of renal failure as a result of the mercury contained in some of the products that people use for bleaching," says Dr. Doe.
Since many bleachers don't seek help until it's too late, doctors are hoping public service announcements will open people's eyes. Maama Adwoa says she's heard the "stop bleaching" advertisements on radio and seen them on the television. "They say we should stop bleaching because of skin cancer and skin disease. But people don't want to listen because they don't know," she says, shaking her head.
They end up like Animahh, with such bad skin disease that they can't safely go out in the sun. Because there are so many bleachers experiencing negative side effects, a new wave of women are stopping. Even worse, others are using additional creams from local markets to try and turn their skin back to its original complexion. With consumers who are uninformed and all too trusting of beauty products, various West African countries continue to stand against the practice.
In the Gambia, for instance, the government officials have not only banned all skin-bleaching products—Bu-Tone, Madonna Cream, Glo-Tone, and the American-made Ambi—but left open the option of arresting those found with bleached skin. Officials in Europe have also been paying attention, with the government of Denmark banning skin-bleaching creams and soaps. Officials there have gone to several of the African shops and confiscated these products. Tura, a product the Danes have prohibited, remains widely used and popular in Ghana and among other African people.
These tactics may seem extreme, but doctors say they're not without reason."Some of these products were banned sometime in the past, but somehow, some of them still find their way onto the local markets where most of these bleachers get their products," Dr. Doe explains. "There, you don't need a prescription to buy anything."
In addition to the actions the Gambia has taken, a significant amount of West African government officials agree that hydroquinone should be outlawed. They want bleaching products tested and labeled "guaranteed without hydroquinone."
Yet Lustra, a popular product used by many, contains 4 percent hydroquinone. Its warning label reads: "If you should experience any type of irritation, redness, or a rash while you are using Lustra, discontinue using it and contact your dermatologist."
Bleaching for more than two years, doctors say, inevitably causes damage. In Ghana, it's not unusual for people to bleach much longer than that. Selina Margaret Oppong started bleaching five years ago with a locally manufactured soap. "I have no complications and do not worry about any," she says.
Maybe she should. Doctors are now seeing cases in which they cannot apply stitches to the skin because it has weakened to the point where it falls apart. "We do have surgical complications such as difficulty in suturing the skin and poor healing of surgical wounds," says Dr. Peter Preko, a Ghanaian doctor.
If the bleachers don't get why they should quit, any cabby can explain the horror he's seen. "Maybe you have some cut and you need some stitches," says driver Joseph Akrofi. "Normally the black body which is bleached comes off. So they can't do stitches." He says this slowly as if waiting for a reaction.
Black and Proud
The nonprofit Ghana Skin Foundation aims to educate people about the dangers of skin bleaching and eradicate the problem altogether. "The African woman must awaken to the fact that the color black is not an accident," First Lady Nana Konadu Agyeman-Rawlings told the public, "but is purposely to enable her to adapt comfortably to the climate and environment in which she is created."
That message has begun to take root. Kofi, a proud young African from Accra, has a motto used by many Ghanaians who oppose skin bleaching: "If you're nice, you're nice. You can be a black, you can be a green." Although the Ghanaian government hasn't taken the steps that the Gambia and Nigeria have in trying to rid the country of harmful hydroquinone products, Ghanaians do believe their country's self-perception needs a boost. The activists are unclear, though, about how to make people love themselves. They want people to see that diversity is God's gift.
"You are not the one who created yourself, it's God who created you," Kofi says. "God knows who you are—that's why he created you a black or a white."
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Enchanted
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Doesn't Kola Boof post enough of this stuff? Every other word out of her mouth is skin bleachers in Africa or colorstruck black men.
I am a dark skinned black woman and I have experience ZERO of the crap she talks about. Black men love me, always have. I never was ignored for being dark. Never wanted to be light. A lot of this color propaganda is just that. Exaggerations.
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Enchanted
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NOTE: I didn't read the article. Just wanted to vent about Kola.
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Mrs_hart
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I don't know or deal with people THIS sick.
So, I cannot comment. |
Mrs_hart
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Thank you, Enchanted. I have NEVER had this problem either.
And sooner or later (just like the Gay ones') you figure out which clubs accept you and which don't.
I just went on with my FINE self.
I am liberal minded and emotionally mature enough to realize that not EBERYbody is going to like me. Nor should they. Who cares?
I'm glad I was born in the good old U.S.A.
We're Black and Proud now. |
Serenasailor
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First of all Mrs. Hart when have black ppl in this country ever been truly black and proud? Secondly, skin bleaching must be a big problem, because not only are Africans doing it, but Asians, Indians, and many Hispanics. I guess when Europeans ppl conquered these ppl they demanded their standards on them. I wonder why so many ppl in the world strive to be like the Europeans. I hate to say it but white ppl are sooooo mediocre. |
Tonya
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Thanks for sharing, Ntfs_encryption. Jeez even I didn't know it was that bad over in Africa. Horrendous. And with the upsurge of black U.S. artistes who are obviously lightening their skin, I can only imagine how bad it's going to get here (as if it's not bad enough). Info like this should be shared throughout our own community more often. AAs should be alerted as well about the dangers of bleaching. Thanks again for sharing.
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Roxie
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Conditioning and supporting one's in hate for their own skin color is a form of psycholgical abuse, clear enough. |
Samater
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Skin bleaching is the same as Pale skinned Europeans sun screaning to look darker or less pale. I think trying to look like something you are not is the new trend of this Hollywood generation. |
Nels
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Poll...
How many folks on this board have at least one "white" relative in the last five generations of their parental hierarchy?
If we could only get an honest answer.
Hint... We already know that the "black" is there. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Nels wrote:"How many folks on this board have at least one "white" relative in the last five generations of their parental hierarchy?"
Don't forget "Indian". It's would be comical if it weren't so sad. I don't recall meeting many black people who did not claim they had some "Indian" blood. WTF??? Is this a trendy or prestige thing? I've never understood it.
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Mrs_hart
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Do you know the HISTORY of Blacks in this country?
Many Blacks ran away and were welcomed into any number of Indian tribes.
I have noticed since I was a little girl that a lot of Black people look like American Indians.
God didn't come to America and just create Black Americans. They were brought here by other races, lived among them and bred with them.
I wish SOME Black people would stop being so IGNORANT and would ACTUALLY study THEIR own HISTORY.
Don't show your ignorance by hating on people who know who their fathers are, and who actually have knowledge of THEIR own FAMILY TREE.
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Cynique
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Native Americans have always been romanticized because of their noble past. The image of a warrior Brave in war paint or a regal Chief in feathered headdress or Indian maids in long braids has endured in spite of how bad off Native Americans are in the present. Many white people openly claim Indian blood, also. My high-cheekboned, eagle-eyed grandmother was a Blackfoot squaw and her framed picture looked down on us from a dining room wall all during my childhood. Family lore has it that back in Kansas, her brother had a fist-fight with a member of the famous Dalton gang of outlaws, and kicked his ass. Why should I dismiss this part of my heritage and only claim my coal black great grandmother who was a freed slave, or my half white maternal grandfather who took took up arms and helped rout a party of KKK night raiders when they attempted to occupy his hometown of Franklin,Tennessee. And, I would venture to say that my background is not that uncommon. |
Renata
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My cousin's maternal grandmother was native american, but I don't know what tribe she was from. He and his brothers have the cheekbones to prove it. That's one thing I found gorgeous about them. I had never met her myself (she's no relation to me), but once I was at their home, and their was a big picture of her on the table, and I asked who it was. This is the same cousin who has a fascination with the NOI. |
Roxie
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---How many folks on this board have at least one "white" relative in the last five generations of their parental hierarchy?--
I do, but that Irishman's genes don't show on my body.
My Indian ancestors DO show themselves in my face, and my african ancestors through my hair and chocolate-colored skin. I identify only with what can be seen on the surface. |
Renata
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There's a rumor that my maternal great grandfather was half native american. But I never met him, so I can't say.
My paternal grandmother was in fact half native american. But I never met her. She died in the 60's. |
Tonya
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In the past my mother NEVER allowed any of her children to discuss her grandmother's (our great grandmother's) mixed heritage. We were quite curious because it was obvious that our granny was not full black. But whenever asked, my mother would yell "she's black! We're black! Now leave it at that!!" Back then I didn't understand her frustration -- I do now....
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Cynique
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Why should anyone be frustrated by their white blood? How can people accuse others of self-hate and then turn around and despise their mixed ancestry. I am proud of the diversity in my family history. |
Moonsigns
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Cynique,
Good points! People who are proud of the diversity within their families tend to be individuals who are comfortable with themselves and comfortable with the world around them. Individuals such as this also tend to be logical thinkers who understand what they can control in life as well as make peace with those issues/things that are outside their control.
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Prettybabygirl
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Native Americans OWNED SLAVES. Black slaves.
They are also notoriously colorist among themselves, tend to marry WHITE more than any other group and are prone to side with whites and latinos against blacks in political factions.
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Tonya
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Well, how would you characterize individuals who DON'T find it necessary to harp on their mini-micro-drop of long gone mixed blood lineage? Would you describe them as illogical? And if so..
how logical is that?
And while you're at it, can you name the number of your white friends, family members, co-workers ect. who knows anything about their mini-micro-drop of black ancestry from FIVE generations ago, as Nels put it? If not, try two generations. And then try one.
BTW, reaching back for white blood and feeling comfortable sounds like a straight up oxymoron to me. But hey, that's just my opinion. What more can I say...? |
Tonya
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Oops! My last post was for Moonsigns, sorry. |
Prettybabygirl
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Quoting Kola Boof from a year ago:
"Moonsigns likes her niggers...to stay niggers. That way she benefits and her world stays comfortable."
Not my words, but YO--
I'm just saying.
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Cynique
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Well, Tonya, your "opinion" certainly doesn't surprise anybody familiar with your sentiments about your favorite subject of colorism. So tell us, are you comfortable with your place in the world??
BTW, I KNEW this subject would inspire "prettybabygirl" to surface. LMAO |
Moonsigns
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Tonya:
"BTW, reaching back for white blood and feeling comfortable sound like a straight up oxymoron to me. But hey, that's just my opinion. What more can one say...?"
Moonsigns:
Well, Tonya, considering you have also written that Biracials and Blacks have "EVERY right" to be proud of who they are, you obviously just contradicted yourself--and you appear to make-up the "rules" as you go.
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Tonya
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She's trying to insure a splace for her mixed race children, and not only that, have the nerve to want them placed on top. Well those days are long gone, Whitey. Tell my two cousins they'll have to find a crib elsewhere. |
Cynique
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I also find it amusing that Tonya couldn't pass up the chance to tell us that her grandgrandmother was mixed, but authentic person that she is, Tonya was quick to categorize this as being - "frustrating". |
Tonya
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Moonsigns:
Well, Tonya, considering you have also written that Biracials and Blacks have "EVERY right" to be proud of who they are, you obviously just contradicted yourself--and you appear to make-up the "rules" as you go.
Tonya:
I'm not talking about biracials, sistahs. These people one this thread are straight up nappy-haired black folks.. talking 'bout their "Indian blood."
Now when you gonna answer my question? How many white folks you know...
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Tonya
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Bullshit, Cynnique. Don't even try it. I told my story to get my point across. AND IT WORKED! You will NEEEEEVER be able to categorize me with niggers like yourself. NEEEEVER. I'll be all kiiiiinds of niggaz but NEVER your kind, uh-uhhhhhh. |
Moonsigns
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Tonya,
I don't encounter (on a regular basis) blacks that "harp" on their blood-line. And, I've come to realize that the issue with you is one of two things. Either you are on a divine path to encounter such individuals so you can lead them to your truth or you are just so obsessed with color that you harp about the few individuals you do meet who show their "EVERY right" to be proud of who they are (remember?!) LMAO!!!! I'd say it's the latter.
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Cynique
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Well, Tonya, what point did you get across, you phony-assed bitch? If you're so ashamed of your white blood lines why mention them at all? You ain't no more authentic than anybody else. And you're probably just itchin to tell us that you got an Apache grandfather just so you can get some non-existent point across. |
Tonya
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Why do you and Cynnique like to do that? I asked you a direct question, sistah. I didn't ask you to assess me (something a white woman couldn't do anyway). Just say you don't wanna answer the question because you ain't bullshitting nobody, certainly not me. So I'll try again..
Do you know any white folks who... |
Moonsigns
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Tonya:
"I'm not talking about biracials."
Moonsigns:
Well, last time I checked, you included blacks in that "EVERY right" bit you wrote. So, now, you tell me why they can't be proud of who they are?
Tonya:
"Now when you gonna answer my question? How many white folks you know..."
Moonsigns:
Obviously, only if the roles had been reversed could the question be answered.
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Tonya
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Cynnique, I'm just gonna ignore you because you are getting just a little too weird. Sleep it off or something. |
Cynique
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I noticed you didn't ANSWER MY QUESTION as to whether or not you're comfortable with your place in the world, Tonya. |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 04:02 pm: |
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Cynique:
"I also find it amusing that Tonya couldn't pass up the chance to tell us her grandmother was mixed."
Moonsigns:
Yeah, that is what I was referring to when I wrote that she seems to make-up the rules as she goes--Granny is not "full Black" but her mother yells, "she's black! We're black! Now leave it at that!"--and "now" she "understands her frusration"--but I thought light skin, unauthentic looking people weren't black? WTF?!!!!!!! LMAO!
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 04:04 pm: |
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Nice try, Tonya, but no cigar. You are guilty of the very thing you love to accuse me of; sidestepping the issue. But we'll just move on because I don't want to gang up on you. I know "prettybabygirl" is just salivating at the chance to jump in but then that might create - suspicion. heh-heh. |
Tonya
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Moonsigns:
Well, last time I checked, you included blacks in that "EVERY right" bit you wrote. So, now, you tell me why they can't be proud of who they are?
Tonya:
For most of them, who they are is black.. so, yeeeeees, be proud of who you are. Tha happens to be my point.
Moonsigns:
Obviously, only if the roles had been reversed could the question be answered.
Tonya:
Yes that question can be answered. You said:
*****People who are proud of the diversity within their families tend to be individuals who are comfortable with themselves and comfortable with the world around them. Individuals such as this also tend to be logical thinkers who understand what they can control in life as well as make peace with those issues/things that are outside their control.*******
well white folks are "people" and "individuals," toooooo.
Why can't it be answered? Explain.
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Prettybabygirl
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Notice how Moonsigns can't get it about white people not looking for their black blood?
I swear. White people just do not see themselves.
She think it's normal for blacks, because they're inferior anyway.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 04:14 pm: |
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Uh-uhhh. Don't make my great grandmother light-skinned. I never said that -- Go head with that, Monnie.... Besides, I said I'm not a nigger like Cynnique; and you ain't gone turn me into one, Whitey. I don't care how much land you givin' out. |
Tonya
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Cynnique:
I noticed you didn't ANSWER MY QUESTION as to whether or not you're comfortable with your place in the world, Tonya.
Tonya:
Cynnique, I don't have "a place" in the world. I'm not a nigger. |
Cynique
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The hell you ain't a nigger, Tonya. Quit kiddin yourself. And, incidentally, your place in the world is at the bottom of the totem pole, as any good colorist can confirm. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:19 pm: |
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When I said I'm not a nigger like Cynnique, in my January 25 - 04:14 post, I was referring to her philosophy, not her skin color. That post came out completely wrong. I was rushed by being ambushed. That's how they do authentic sistahs. Bitches. |
Tonya
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Cynnique:
The hell you ain't a nigger, Tonya. Quit kiddin yourself. And, incidentally, your place in the world is at the bottom of the totem pole, as any good colorist can confirm.
Tonya:
My persecution does not define me.
That's how I'm able to fight another day. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:33 pm: |
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Everyone is trying to act like they don't know exactly what Tonya is talking about. Tell even BROWN SKINNED people that they have pretty skin, and their first response is "I THINK we MAY have white people in our family." (As if that's the only place they could get it from.)
A lot of very light skinned people will straight up LIE and say they're bi-racial, and know that at LEAST 4 generations back there were no white people in their family.
Now ask some "tanned" white people if they're part Cajun, and see how quickly you get cursed out at even implying they may have non-white blood. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:35 pm: |
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Well, nobody put you in charge of designating who is a nigger, Tonya. And taking these kind of liberties works both ways since I think you're a nigger when it comes to philosophy because your motives are rooted with evil cowardly intent. You want to eliminate everyone who doesn't think or look like you. "Nigger" is actually a word that is too good for you. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:35 pm: |
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And I don't mean just tanned. I mean "dark CURLY haired, dark eyed, could go to Algeria and not even be noticed" tanned. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:47 pm: |
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I know very well what Tonya is talking about, Renata. And once you and her and the rest of your flock get it through your skulls that I don't have to conform to your guidelines about how I regard myself or my image or my ancestry, then you will be able to stop ruminating about this subject. Why do you think that your opinions are the last word on everything? Nothing you say makes a difference to me. I don't agree with your views and you don't agree with mine. So be it. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 06:41 pm: |
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LOOOOOOOOL!!!!!
Ohhh, I love this one..
Cynnique said:
...You want to eliminate everyone who doesn't think or look like you...
Tonya responds:
My, my, my!! -- Eliminate -- LOL -- such.. a.. strong.. word....
Why, that would make me Hitler, dear.. lol....
Not even a conspiracy theorist like you believe that...?.?.?
I'm serious this time, Cynnique. You should really think about sleeping this one off.... LOL |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:14 pm: |
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It's a testament to your fanaticism, Tonya, that you would like to make the world over in your own image -- if you could. Thank goodness you are impotent and insignificant. Buh-Bye |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |
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If that were the case..
you wouldn't feel so threatened: (Hitler, WOOOOOOOO).
You are right about one thing, though... Buh-bye.. he-he... |
Nels
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p.s., We all know the "N"-Juns (and their ancestors of many lines) were likely here in North America first. And...they were sowing their oats as well. |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:43 am: |
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PBG:
"Notice how Moonsigns can't get it about White people not looking for their Black blood?"
Moonsigns:
Of course I get it. What I wrote to Tonya applies to you as well. If the roles had been reversed--if Whites had been enslaved by Africans and "mixed" with Black blood, Whites would have the same racial/social dynmaic as Blacks have had and currently have (a diverse group of individuals with varying skin-tones, however, all are considered Black). However, that is not the case. And, by me stating this obvious reason why it is more common for Blacks to claim "mixed" blood than Whites, is not in any way a form of me condoning slavery or thinking that Blacks are inferior. It is simply a statement as to why I understand how it happens.
And, Whites who aren't "proud" of the diversity in their families are definitely individuals who aren't comfortable with themselves and the world around them. Again, I never condoned their behavior or intolerance. I'm simply stating how I understand why this social/racial dynamic has played out both past and present.
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:50 am: |
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Renata:
"Now ask some "tanned" white people if they're part Cajun, and see how quickly you get cursed out at even implying they may have non-white blood."
Moonsigns:
Now, where I live, ask even a very light-skin person if they have white blood, and you'll surely get cursed out (and definitely be considered ignorant) for implying the have non-black blood.
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Mrs_hart
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:58 am: |
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I don't know what world you people live in. But Whites claim various groups in their family tree all the time.
In fact, one my oddest experiences has been with White people claiming American Indian status while having the bluest eyes and the blondest hair.
I know that historically there is such a thing as Black Indians. But with all of the Black Americans walking around looking Indian, I have never known any to benefit from it personally.
People really need to leave the hood and broaden their horizons. Just cause Aunt Betty and Uncle Bootsey said it, doesn't make it necessarily true.
I feel that some on this board really and truely have issues with low self-esteem.
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
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Tonya:
"She's trying to insure a place for her mixed race children, and not only that, have the nerve to want them placed on top."
Moonsigns:
Your thinking is so off-base.
Tonya:
"Well, those days are long gone, Whitey."
Moonsigns:
What days, Tonya?
Tonya:
"Tell my two cousins they'll have to find a crib elsewhere."
Moonsigns:
Cute.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 3562
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
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I didn't call you "Hitler", Tonya. I guess that's how you view yourself. tsk-tsk. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 02:08 pm: |
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Mrs Hart wrote: "I don't know what world you people live in. But Whites claim various groups in their family tree all the time."
This is very true. As long as those people "aren't black"! Unlike many black people who take great pride in celebrating and bragging about the white heritage in their family genealogy. Big contrast. |
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