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Ntfs_encryption
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is so hard core I had to post it. I certainly have an opinion that I will reserve at this time (it will be forth coming -trust me) but I would love to hear some feedback from the readers of this board especially the black females. PLEASE TELL ME IT AIN'T SO!!!!

Black Women and Blonde Hair

Where do I start?

The Black woman’s obsession with blonde hair has reached new and frightening proportions.Walk down the streets or just take a look in any Black fashion magazine and you’re bound to notice an array of Black women sportin what Blacktown calls “piss colored hair”.

Now ordinarily I would have no problem with this as I was a blonde once myself, but as I dig into the reasons why Sistah’s won’t let this trend go, I become upset and disgusted.

Make no mistake about it, Sistah’s are going blonde to imitate the white women they know Black men desire, but that is no excuse.If we are to call ourselves proud and strong Black women, then we must look like ourselves and act like ourselves.Imitating white women not only makes us look like fools, but keeps white supremacy going as we continue to show and teach our people that white is not only right but more desirable.

When I open a magazine today I am stunned at the lengths Sistah’s are going to to attain the look of white women and with absolutely no shame to their game.Long, straight, flowing down to their ass weaves are not the exception anymore but the norm.From Beyonce to Remy Ma to Mary J, blondest blonde is clearly the look of the day.

Now, I am sure many will scream that it is just a choice and Sistah’s can do as they please and going blonde doesn’t mean they wanna be white or look white.I on the other hand know better because I am not an outsider looking in and judging but rather a Black woman and thus I know why we do what we do.

Whether we will openly admit it or not, we are indeed attempting to emulate the look of white women because sadly we know that this is what our men like.They like long straight flowing hair and that is why we straighten ours.We also know light hair is more attention grabbing and desired amongst all men of all races and that too is why we lighten ours, as do most women, white women included.

However, the extremes we go to to attain this look only ends up screaming to the world how self hating we are.Mary, Beyonce and Remy are just a few of the Sistah’s who have gone extreme blonde and extreme long.And it doesn’t stop at hair color.Each of these ladies have been known to wear a contact or two in their day as well.Remy Ma… totally losing her goddam mind actually sported blue contacts, as did Lil Kim.What excatly is the world suppose to think when they see a Black woman with artificially straightened, fake blonde hair down to her ass with blue contacts?

I really don’t think we are grasping the enormity of what we are doing.I don’t think we really know how we look to the world, our men or our children.I think maybe, just maybe if the Black woman said “screw Black men” and instead did what she pleased with hair, then maybe they would have no choice but to accept it.

Maybe if we didn’t obsess over our hair so much in front of our your children, they wouldn’t either.Maybe if we loved our locks our sons and daughters would grow to love them as well.Maybe… just maybe, if we loved ourselves that would be the fashion trend of them all.
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, obviously, she has a lot of time on her hands to stretch out her neck at EVERYBODY when she is in public.

I just don't have time for people or women like this. All of this hate regarding OTHER PEOPLE/WOMEN.

Women play with their hair and their make-up. This goes out, that comes in.

I don't care. Not everybody wears what everybody else is wearing either. It depends on where you live in America. It really does. Where I live I see all kinds of styles. From very short like Alec Wek, to everything Afro-centric. I see the round-the-way-girls, sporting blondes, reds, different colors, BRAIDS.

I don't care about these HOLLYWOOD fools! They're ALWAYS doing something to catch the eye and to sell a product.

I do like the more and more women take care of their feet and body now-a-days. That's all been pushed by today's stars and magazines as well.
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yawn. Why do people who write aricles like this always act they as though they have just descended from a mountain top where after a year of meditating they have learned the true meaning of life? Who cares what they think about this subject that has been discussed ad nauseam. Why are white women having their lips enhanced? Why are all women having boob implants, and furiously working out to achieve firm bodies? Why are women of all races going blond and wearing hair extensions? Cuz they damn well please. And what is anymore outrageous than paying big bucks to spend hours having long strands of artifical hair braided into your short tresses or sporting synthetic ropes of dreadlocks when you are not a Rasta?? And don't forget have teeth bleached and vaneers added or getting laser eye surgery. People do what they do, not to please nay-sayers but to make a statement or gain attention or feel better about themselves. So whoever wrote this article, just go take a flyin leap.
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 11:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If that article had a little more rythim I'd say it could've been written by Kola. Apperently her message is spreading (and fast) because not only are MANY, men & women, starting to write about what Kola's been preaching, they're starting to sound like her too. People are waking up. I am soooooo glad!

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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puleeze. For everyone one who wakes up, there are 10 more snoozin in the beauty shop, waitin to get their hair "did". Get real.
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 11:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Take that to another thread, Cynnique. We're trying to avoid the nonsense that you and yours like to get into. Please. Get serious.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 12:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Who is "we"? I am serious. If you don't like the language I couch my seriousness in then that's your problem.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 01:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And even if I wasn't serious, who are you to dictate the tone of things around here? Not only that, the first post I contributed to this thread was seriously more in-depth than your vapid little comment expressing your feeble hopes. Go on over to kola's board and monitor her
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 03:45 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Go away!
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 03:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique wrote: “Why are all women having boob implants, and furiously working out to achieve firm bodies? Why are women of all races going blond and wearing hair extensions? Cuz they damn well please.”

### Good point. I guess it does boil down to what you feel comfortable with and what you feel like doing at the moment. I must admit that a lot of the fads and so called “creativity” is more than I can personally stomach. But that’s my opinion and I’m not living these women’s lives.

“And what is anymore outrageous than paying big bucks to spend hours having long strands of artifical hair braided into your short tresses or sporting synthetic ropes of dreadlocks when you are not a Rasta??”

### High five –bap! I haven’t figured that one out either.

“People do what they do, not to please nay-sayers but to make a statement or gain attention or feel better about themselves”

### That’s that. There ya have it. You are definitely free to make these choices if you decide to do so regardless of the angst and bitterness of those who believe you shouldn’t or if you do, you should be willing to face their political condemnation and ridicule for doing so.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 10:14 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I think maybe, just maybe if the Black woman said “screw Black men” and instead did what she pleased with {her} hair, then maybe they would have no choice but to accept it."

BEST LINE OF THE ESSAY!

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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:16 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

IMO, a lot of women (perhaps not all) choose that color because they think that's what men find attractive.

I've had numerous stylists tell me I needed to bleach my hair. Not only would I not damage my hair like that, but I don't even find the color attractive. The most I would do in coloring my hair is maybe add some medium brown or red highlights. My hair is an extreme jet black, and lighter colors just wouldn't suit me. I'm all about LOOKING natural, even if unnatural things are done. (Hence my choice to texturize rather than straighten my own hair.)
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 03:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think maybe, just maybe if the Black woman said “screw Black men” and instead did what she pleased with {her hair, then maybe they would have no choice but to accept it.}

Ironically, the best way she could really say "Screw black men" is by keeping that nasty blonde coloring in her hair, as most black men think it looks hideous on black women.

LOL Why do these morons keep trying to blame their self esteem issues on black men?
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 04:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't worry. No one's blaming you.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 04:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't worry. No one's blaming you.

If by "you" you mean black men, certainly you can't be serious. How else should we interpret that quote I was responding to? As well as this one:

Make no mistake about it, Sistah’s are going blonde to imitate the white women they know Black men desire, but that is no excuse.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 04:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

�People do what they do, not to please nay-sayers but to make a statement or gain attention or feel better about themselves�

In other words, they would "feel better about themselves" if they had Caucasian hair.

When I was a kid, they had a simple commercial for children on Channel 20. It said, at the end of it, "BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU ARE. BE YOURSELF."

UNFORTUNATELY, FEW PEOPLE LISTENED.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 04:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Make no mistake about it, Sistah’s are going blonde to imitate the white women they know Black men desire, but that is no excuse."

Ummm.. how is that blaming black men? She's simply explaining why sistahs do it, right.

If anything, she puts the blame sqarely on black women when she states the following..

"Maybe if we didn’t obsess over our hair so much in front of our your children, they wouldn’t either.Maybe if we loved our locks our sons and daughters would grow to love them as well.Maybe… just maybe, if we loved ourselves that would be the fashion trend of them all."

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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Many people "feel better about themselves" if they work out and shape up, or dye their hair blond "to get attention" or maybe even to "make a statement" to judgmental, self-righteous people who want to impose their standards on others. And just for the record, women don't always try to please men in their appearance. Sometimes they are trying to impress each other
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

..and if you pay attention once again to the sentence you quoted, you'll notice she implies that blaming black men is no excuse..

"Make no mistake about it, Sistah’s are going blonde to imitate the white women they know Black men desire, {BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE}."

Tonya
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My bad. The last post was for Barbersurgeon.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll have to agree with Cynique on part of her post. Most men (that I've personally met, anyways) don't really care what their woman's hair looks like. Some don't even care if it's long or short, relaxed or natural.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I must say that I am SICK AND TIRED of seeing black women dying their hair blonde or wearing those damn blonde weaves. Black women are GODDESSES, so please be proud of who are you and stop being so damn weak minded.
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Tonya, I never thought about that. Maybe that's why before I married, guys didn't really pay attention to me.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 06:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Reneta:

Most men (that I've personally met, anyways) don't really care what their woman's hair looks like. Some don't even care if it's long or short, relaxed or natural.

Tonya:

Really? I completely disagree. Back in the days (when I was lost) any time I wore my hair in a weave or long braids, the number of black men asking me for my phone number increased by at least double. The Ironic thing about it is, I look my best when I where my hair short like Halle Berry's. Long hair makes me look trashy. Really Short Hair makes me look waaaaay more professional and it frames my face better.

Now, if you're talking about a boyfriend or husband, then yes I agree. But for a single women looking to settle down, there's a HUGE amount of pressure to wear what men like even if it doesn't flatter her.

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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 06:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Channel 20!

You grew up in D.C. P. Lewis?

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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 06:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's because of women like Cynique that African Americans stayed on the Plantation for 400 years.

And for every 1 Tonya---there were 10 Cyniques.

Seriously.




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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 06:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya, there you go again, re-posting after I've answered you.
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Reneta:

Tonya, I never thought about that. Maybe that's why before I married, guys didn't really pay attention to me.

Tonya:

I did it to you again.. lol!!!

I reposted because I typed too fast which led to too many errors.
I understand that this is your response to my last post. Gotchu!

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I think ppl in this room are afraid of stateing the obvious. We as African Americans have deep seated issues about the way that we look. This stems from when we were brought here as slaves. When we were brought here the Europeans told us that we were not beautiful, and we believed them. Heck, we had no choice! That was the Europeans way of justifying there ill-treatment of us. If we did not look like them then we were not human being. That resulted in black ppls self-esteem issues.

Black ppl got the notion that the more we looked like Europeans the better we would be treated. And in many ways that was true. So that is why you see black women wearing blonde weaves, putting in contacts, and claiming that there great so and so way white, Indian, Chinese, etc. That also is the reason why black men praise and worship women of other races. The issues that we as black ppl have with ourselves is sick. Shame on us for believing the white man's lies.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 06:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's a really good post, serenasailor.

I would like to add, however, that anyone who still believes that simply hasn't looked around enough to see that it isn't true.
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***Shame on us for believing the white man's lies.***

You know.. I can sorta excuse the Slaves and Negros for their sickness because they didn't know as much or have as much as we have, back then. But there's no excusing the blacks of today. We have too many resources to allow ourselves to be exploited and brainwashed this way. For that reason, I believe that many of us prefer being in the state that we're in.

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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 06:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah, blah, woo, woo, woo. I don't even feel the need to comment any further about this tired ol subject except to say I hope kola gets a new wig when she goes out on tour because the ratty-lookin one with the braids that she wears looks like something the cat drug in. Babble on. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 07:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, serenasailor, Americans simply have the freedom and the money to experiment with their own PERSONS.

It really is not as deep as you're trying to make it. Hairstyles come and go. If you don't like to color your hair or to straighten it, so be it.

If you read up on Japanese society, the youth there are always changing their hair and their style.

At one point, the rage was going to the salon to "afrotize" your hair. That's right! Japanese youths were spending money to make their hair resemble afros. They were into Rap, country and rock music. Now, they are back to dressing up like geishas. The white face makeup, clothing, shoes and all.

Japanese parents call them "aliens" because they don't know what culture their youth will be representing next.
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:29 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Blonde just doesn't cut it, and it certainly isn't the benchmark. The (tennis) stars that they are, the Williams sisters are a prime example of that - out of place with those sad weaved blonde doos that wouldn't make anyone blush by any sense of the imagination.

If one isn't into black women, then they need only look at the latinas. Those dark haired hot latin honeys have a lot more in common with many topnotch sisters (regardless of their phenotype) than any white women will ever have. And...at least they've got a little more ass to show for it. Just a few more fries to go with that shake, please.

Of course, it's what's inside the head that really counts. There's no need shacking up with a drop dead gorgeous beauty when she's trying to poison your dumb ass by adding anti-freeze to your apple Martini.

Conjecture? Who knows?
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Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:27 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with your assessment of their weaves, brotha. But was it necessary to put down the Serena williams' of the world while propping up the fat & sweaty butted J-LO's? I'm sure there're better ways a smooth, savvy black man like you could've made that point.

BTW, Latina women have a vast deal more in common with white women than they do Sisters.. don't even act like that ain't true. Not even the "topnotched" Latinas are lucky enough to have much in common with us.



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"Of course, it's what's inside the head that really counts. There's no need shacking up with a drop dead gorgeous beauty when she's trying to poison your dumb ass by adding anti-freeze to your apple Martini."

Nels, as usual, you are quite the classy guy.

Your mature insight hit the nail on the head!

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Channel 20!

You grew up in D.C. P. Lewis?


--Yes, I did. Unfortunately.
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Well I grew up in D.C.---the roughest part, South East (Anacostia, Good Hope Road)...and I feel very fortunate for that.


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About this thread...

"WIGS" were created by the Ancient Egyptians, who were black Nilotic people from PUNT, Nubia and Cush.

They kept their heads shaved (both male and female) to protect them from sand mites and wore elaborate "braid" wigs. The Oromo people spread the use of these wigs as "cosmetic ornaments" to Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia and Tanzania, and within 100 years---they were all over Southern Europe (Greece), the middle east and the African continent.

WEST AFRICANS and the "Bantu" tribes of Southern Africa were the only people in Africa who never wore wigs.

Adornment Vs. Caricature

All races of humans have always worn "adornments"----African women have braided jewels in their hair, colored their hair, wore wigs, mud, sticks and animal fur in their hair for thousands of years.

But the AFRICAN STANDARD of beauty and femininity---even in EGYPT and Ethiopia----was always the SHAVED head of a female with jewels, shells and paint around that head.

This bald headed look symbolized "FERTILITY" and only the upper class elite women could afford to keep their heads shaven and decorated at all times.

At no time anywhere on the African continent was "long flowing hair" a standard of feminine beauty.

So we've always had "adornment"...BUT

The DIFFERENCE between adornment and caricature IS....adornment is only done for two reasons---

(1) to look like one's own people

(2) to please GOD.

TO former slaves and former colonized Africans.....WHITE PEOPLE are the "Gods" now.

Black Men worship the "images" that White men have fed to the world.

Black men have not created their own separate image-making media to insert their own images. They simply accept and use the white man's.

Black Men internalize and idolize these images, because they hold POWER, RESPECT, ADMIRATION, HUMANITY and are COVETED.

Whites are considered "more human" to black people...than blacks are. And the lighter black you are, the more human you become to blacks.

Black women, watching their whole race of men "bow down" to the White man's images---are constantly informed that it's their fault that black men are black in the first place---their womb is the thing "cursing" black men...and that they are INFERIOR, UNWORTHY, Less loved by GOD and UGLY.

The Black women, while holding their newborn children, believe these things so deeply...and Black men REINFORCE these beliefs....so that the children know from extremely young ages that they come from an inferior race that is "too dark" and ugly.

ALL WOMEN...all women on this planet...receive their ideals and notions regarding their LOOKS from #1--their fathers; #2--Uncles, Brothers and other MEN in their environment; #3--the MEDIA.

When a black man walks by a group of little dark black girls and doesn't acknowledge their presence, doesn't smile adoringly----those girls immediately receive the message that they are unworthy and unattractive.

Little girls place little value on what their MOTHER says about how they look.....unless MEN back up what the mother is saying.

WHITE WOMEN (not all, but at least 70%) are so "happy", "cheeful" and "confident"------because the entire society AFFIRMS their beauty and their humanity. THE MEDIA is their constant publicist. They are the women in the society who are considered----"Human"-----they can be a whore, a golddigger, a t.v. anchorwoman, biologist, lawyer, teacher, military wife, President's wife, Aids patient-----but even if they stoop to sucking black men's dicks in alleys for $10 a rod......they're still WHITE.

BUT OF COURSE....little Black girls in America, generally...don't have fathers.

And most Black men they come into contact with have attitudes like NELS or the rap stars---they LOW-RATE black girls and their experiences---many of them bemoan black skin, African hair and black features----ignoring black girls and saving their plaudits and glowing words for "pale skinned" races whose hair lacks protein and therefore grows long and flowing...in other words...the WOMB that produces the WHITE MAN is given priority and is celebrated by all as "NORMAL".

This is devastating for young black girls in America---I've seen it all my life.

Watching BLACK MEN (men who could be your own father, you imagine) not even notice you...but consistently praising, protecting and admiring women who are not black--and that includes the high yellow black women whose looks represent WHITENESS, regardless of them being members of the black race.

Of course, as Black women pack on pounds of FAT, develop frowning faces and exhibit mood swings and introverted personalities---black men could care less and refuse to notice that THEIR WOMAN (the mother of their race) is unwatered and is therefore producing unhealthy children.

WHITE MEN, on the other hand, set the standards--THE BAR---for "Maleness and Power" in this society and are the ones who have brilliantly created a MEDIA and a SOCIAL MORE/folkways that discounts the humanity of Black men (portraying the black man, literally, as KING KONG)--causing black men to have crippled self esteem, causing black men to devalue anything that is culturally or physically theirs (Africa and the black woman--the black child) and to be self-destructive.

Black men MOST OFTEN call black women

chickenheads
Ho's
bitches
golddiggers

BUT they become silent when white or non-black women (Kobe's accuser with multiple sperm stains on her panties---Michael Jordan's mistress who got $5 million out of him and had another kid by another NBA star as well and got $2 million for that one----Jennifer Lopez who made it with no talent off the backs of black men, only to show them her ASS once reaching the top)...prove to be the REAL golddiggers who are getting black men's money.

No matter what those women do---black men do not attack their honor in public.

Not like EMINEM and so many others have gleefully dishonored black women----and been patted on the back by black men for doing so.

If you're a little black girl, turn on the radio and you will receive these hateful messages from black men all day long.

IT IS SPREADING TO AFRICA NOW---father's informing their daughters that they're "not pretty" and should get a Chemical Relaxer and skin bleach cream and lighter makeup.

Black women are not walking around in "white girl drag"....or in "Spanish girl drag"....for any other reason than the fact that BLACK MEN do not accept you as BLACK.

The further away you get from BLACK....the more you will be accepted, celebrated and noticed by BLACK MEN.

The entire black community (notice people like Cynique) backs him up on this---making EXCUSES for his behavior---mainly because WE ALL believe that we are inferior and that he's leading us the right way, as he leads us to LIGHTER, BRIGHTER, WHITER-----because-----he doesn't like himself very much.

And if the black man falls--we all do, automatically.

The Black Woman is WEAK. They call her "strong" but she is the weakest woman in the world.

Her answer to the Black man's self-hatred...is to become a White woman.

She doesn't stand up for herself, because she wants to be...whatever he WANTS her to be.

She's a fool, and because she's the ROOTS of the tree and is WEAK....the tree rots, producing bad fruit.

The only way to change this...is for BOTH SIDES to put down their false pride and acknowledge it.

We've become a race of "Niggers". The majority of our people--and our leaders---WORLDWIDE---are niggerstock.

Some of you prefer to call it---"slave mentality".

But it's worse than that. And if we don't acknowledge it and combat it---it's like a cancer that is going to eat us until there is nothing left...but the white bones.
























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Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 04:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL, Tonya, you still say no one's blaming us?
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Tell it, Sista!! Tell it!!!!!!!
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Barbersurgeon,

I said the women who wrote the article wasn't blaming you.... I ain't shit about Kola... whom I agree with WHOLEHEARTEDLY....

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Kola, if I weren't typing right now, I'd be clapping.
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Barbersurgeon,

I SAID:


And if the black man falls--we all do, automatically.




Now stop being a typical selfish NIGGER, put your own fucking shit aside....and read what I said.

For the good of our people, motherfucker---WAKE UP!

Your DICK and your INSECURITY is not all that you are.

Stop being a fucking NIGGER!!! Destroying your own women, because it's the only way you know to destroy yourself.





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Kola, check your email. I sent you something.
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Kola, I think you greatly overrate the media as the source of our problems. Black girls would be much more "happy, cheerful and confident" if they grew up in stable, two parent homes, with loving fathers, and without physical, emotional and sexual abuse. Black men would have greater self-esteem if we were simply more successful as a people, and not perennial failures--the lowest group on the ecomomic/political totem pole. And frankly, I could care less aboue black men's self esteem as long as we were economically self-sufficient and able and willing to defend ourselves.
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When the black man gains self esteem, self-sufficiency and success will come to him. And if he isn't willing to share that with the black woman, and his black children, how would his success even benefit the black community?
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Barbersurgeon---

You just repeated what I already pointed out.

AND...

without "self-esteem", anything else you do in life is liable to fall apart.

You need a foundation. Money and a big fist can't protect you....from yourself.


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Just let me jump in for one second then I'll go back to minding my business.

Barbersurgeon.. how can one become able and willing to defend oneself without first having the proper self esteem?

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Damn.. we all said the same thing at the same time.. lol....
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If we all get it, why is it that black men don't? Anyone?
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Because they're SELFISH.

And in order to acknowledge these truths....means having to DO SOMETHING about it.

They'd rather escape...to another world.


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Kola, going back to this quote,

WHITE WOMEN (not all, but at least 70%) are so "happy", "cheeful" and "confident"------because the entire society AFFIRMS their beauty and their humanity. THE MEDIA is their constant publicist. They are the women in the society who are considered----"Human"-----they can be a whore, a golddigger, a t.v. anchorwoman, biologist, lawyer, teacher, military wife, President's wife, Aids patient-----but even if they stoop to sucking black men's dicks in alleys for $10 a rod......they're still WHITE.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be saying that white womens' happiness, cheerfulnees and confidence comes from their being celebrated in the media, and presumably, black womens' lack of those qualities stems in large part from their lack of affirmation in the media. While I do think that media affirmation is important, I think that perfecting the black family is a much much bigger priority.

And looking at this quote,

WHITE MEN, on the other hand, set the standards--THE BAR---for "Maleness and Power" in this society and are the ones who have brilliantly created a MEDIA and a SOCIAL MORE/folkways that discounts the humanity of Black men (portraying the black man, literally, as KING KONG)--causing black men to have crippled self esteem, causing black men to devalue anything that is culturally or physically theirs (Africa and the black woman--the black child) and to be self-destructive.

I think that any lack of self esteem on the part of black men stems primarily from the fucked up reality of our situation, not the internalization of negative images of black men from white media.
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Barbersurgeon.. how can one become able and willing to defend oneself without first having the proper self esteem?


Sorry, I meant "self-esteem" in the pop psychology sense of some magical quality that becomes an ends in and of itself, i.e. feeling good about one's self becomes more important than performance in the real world. In general, true self-esteem comes from success.
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And if he isn't willing to share that with the black woman, and his black children, how would his success even benefit the black community?

By "we" being self-sufficient, I meant blacks as a people, not just black men.
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"But the AFRICAN STANDARD of beauty and femininity---even in EGYPT and Ethiopia----was always the SHAVED head of a female with jewels, shells and paint around that head.

This bald headed look symbolized "FERTILITY" and only the upper class elite women could afford to keep their heads shaven and decorated at all times.

At no time anywhere on the African continent was "long flowing hair" a standard of feminine beauty."

They shaved their heads and wore wigs because of the mites; they were murderously bad in those times. Also: a lot of the royalty were inbred and probably had seriously messed-up hair.
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As I have always said, kola boof lives in the past. In the context of today's society, wigs are artificial. They are not natural. They are worn to enhance one's appearance. The are also an affectation, as in the case of kola boof donning one to look like a generic Cleopatra. And when wigs are flamboyant they are worn to attract attention. It would seem the rules are conveniently bent, when they are applied to those who criticize other women who indulge their vanity. Furthermore, Kola boof has no room to bad mouth black women. She doesn't have her game together. She has a transient mate, a sordid past and a reputation for being a fraud. Who needs this hybrid demogog? BTW, I just returned from a MLK banquet and, boy, did I see an array of beautiful black women, in all skin tones, all hair styles, all manner of dress. When we sang the black national anthem, which was written by black poet James Weldon Johnson, we raised our voices in unison, as diverse as the crowd was.
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And after you got done singing

"LIFT EVERY VOICE AND SING...
til earth and heaven ring...
ring with the harmony

of liberty
"

---you went right back to being a cow-towing old nigger bitch and colorstruck practitioner of the status quo.

Your post on this board is proof of that--as you came right home and UPHELD the tenets of White NORMALCY.

And although I DO wear wigs, Cynique---you've been all wrong about which styles I wear are "wigs". Totally off the mark.

For instance, these "locs" right here
are A WIG:



Here I am in another wig:





The moral is---I don't like people to know what I look like when I'm playing with my sons. So I try to disguise myself.

And your post was REALLY a hoot.

You think you're Miss Woman because you went a celebration of Martin Luther King's birthday---something that happens once a year.

Which just proves my point.

It's because of White Supremacist-protecting old blue veined hags like you that SLAVERY dragged out for as long as it did.




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Tell me anything, kola. You are just as false and phony as those you criticize. So shut up. And you never sounded more stupid than when you say light-skinned women are who prolonged slavery. They've never had that kind of power. You are really grasping at straws. And, boy, I wish we didn't have to be constantly subjected to those revolting mug shots of you. EU.
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But the AFRICAN STANDARD of beauty and femininity---even in EGYPT and Ethiopia----was always the SHAVED head of a female with jewels, shells and paint around that head.


Kola both man and woman shaved their head in Egypt to most likely prevent lice. The wouldn't have worn wigs if they truelly believed bold head was sign of beauty.
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I never said "light skinned women" prolonged slavery.

Where did I say that?

I said WOMEN LIKE YOU---regardless of color----WOMEN LIKE YOU.

Women who said: "This is just how things are."

Women who said: "Learn to live with it."

Women who said: "Dont' worry, be happy."





And you would lick the crack of Lassie's ass to enjoy just 10 minutes of looking like any mug shots of Kola Boof.



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And they wouldn't have worn BRAID and NEGROID wigs if they hadn't thought AFRICAN hair wasn't the be all and end all.

And the fact IS....they could have developed the same Scalp Oils that the Libyans and other North Africans wore...but they believed that the BALD HEAD symbolized both "FERTILITY"...and "VIRILITY".

This is written in all their beliefs.




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And throughout the ENTIRE CONTINENT....the "shaved head" of a female--painted and decorated with jewels----was the African standard of beauty and femininity.

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Am I the only woman imagining how HAPPY our lives would be if we didn't have to have any hair?

And men think us drop dead irresistable for not having any!!!

Well before the White man came---that's how we were.


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Anyway you slice it Kolasshole, you are so desperate to redeem your stupidity that that baloney your chcoking on is still ridiculous. For somebody who fancies herself a femme fatale, you ought know that when a woman says "that's just the way it is," she disarms her oppressors. Big mouth sluts like you never got anything done as witnessed by how little progress you are making in your "crusade" to show everyone the error of their ways. One day you'll crack up from being such a brittle fool, and the flexible women will put their feet on your stork neck. Face it. You're a loser, and you attract losers. Hi tonya.
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Sniffing paint again Cynique?

You wish, but you don't think.

Typical.


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Maybe back in your PRIME---Miss Jean Brodie---you could have vis a vis with me.

But not now, Cynique.

You're an old plantation WHY-N-CH whose floor boards are falling apart due to the termites you ignored.

I'm finding my beliefs BOOMERANGING back at me from all over the world.

I am thawing out people.

I am effective.





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Dream on, Kola. You ain't going nowhere. You are not the voice of the future, you are the voice of the past. Feminine wiles are as old as time and they will continue to prevail. 10 years from now, you'll be churning out the same old tired flawed messsage, getting nowhere, taking 1 step forward, and 2 steps backward. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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HA!

YOU WISH.

If anybody's sleep, it's you.






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What you can't bring yourself to consider, Kola is that even if you accomplish what you want, it won't have any effect on people like me. We ain't going nowhere because we are steady multiplying. We'll just have to peacefully co-exist. That's what most people want anyway. But you and tonya want to dominate and control.
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excellent posting kola!!!
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I just have to re-post this again. Beautifully written and explained:


The DIFFERENCE between adornment and caricature IS....adornment is only done for two reasons---

(1) to look like one's own people

(2) to please GOD.

TO former slaves and former colonized Africans.....WHITE PEOPLE are the "Gods" now.

Black Men worship the "images" that White men have fed to the world.

Black men have not created their own separate image-making media to insert their own images. They simply accept and use the white man's.

Black Men internalize and idolize these images, because they hold POWER, RESPECT, ADMIRATION, HUMANITY and are COVETED.

Whites are considered "more human" to black people...than blacks are. And the lighter black you are, the more human you become to blacks.

Black women, watching their whole race of men "bow down" to the White man's images---are constantly informed that it's their fault that black men are black in the first place---their womb is the thing "cursing" black men...and that they are INFERIOR, UNWORTHY, Less loved by GOD and UGLY.

The Black women, while holding their newborn children, believe these things so deeply...and Black men REINFORCE these beliefs....so that the children know from extremely young ages that they come from an inferior race that is "too dark" and ugly.

ALL WOMEN...all women on this planet...receive their ideals and notions regarding their LOOKS from #1--their fathers; #2--Uncles, Brothers and other MEN in their environment; #3--the MEDIA.

When a black man walks by a group of little dark black girls and doesn't acknowledge their presence, doesn't smile adoringly----those girls immediately receive the message that they are unworthy and unattractive.

Little girls place little value on what their MOTHER says about how they look.....unless MEN back up what the mother is saying.

WHITE WOMEN (not all, but at least 70%) are so "happy", "cheeful" and "confident"------because the entire society AFFIRMS their beauty and their humanity. THE MEDIA is their constant publicist. They are the women in the society who are considered----"Human"-----they can be a whore, a golddigger, a t.v. anchorwoman, biologist, lawyer, teacher, military wife, President's wife, Aids patient-----but even if they stoop to sucking black men's dicks in alleys for $10 a rod......they're still WHITE.

BUT OF COURSE....little Black girls in America, generally...don't have fathers.

And most Black men they come into contact with have attitudes like NELS or the rap stars---they LOW-RATE black girls and their experiences---many of them bemoan black skin, African hair and black features----ignoring black girls and saving their plaudits and glowing words for "pale skinned" races whose hair lacks protein and therefore grows long and flowing...in other words...the WOMB that produces the WHITE MAN is given priority and is celebrated by all as "NORMAL".

This is devastating for young black girls in America---I've seen it all my life.

Watching BLACK MEN (men who could be your own father, you imagine) not even notice you...but consistently praising, protecting and admiring women who are not black--and that includes the high yellow black women whose looks represent WHITENESS, regardless of them being members of the black race.

Of course, as Black women pack on pounds of FAT, develop frowning faces and exhibit mood swings and introverted personalities---black men could care less and refuse to notice that THEIR WOMAN (the mother of their race) is unwatered and is therefore producing unhealthy children.

WHITE MEN, on the other hand, set the standards--THE BAR---for "Maleness and Power" in this society and are the ones who have brilliantly created a MEDIA and a SOCIAL MORE/folkways that discounts the humanity of Black men (portraying the black man, literally, as KING KONG)--causing black men to have crippled self esteem, causing black men to devalue anything that is culturally or physically theirs (Africa and the black woman--the black child) and to be self-destructive.

Black men MOST OFTEN call black women

chickenheads
Ho's
bitches
golddiggers

BUT they become silent when white or non-black women (Kobe's accuser with multiple sperm stains on her panties---Michael Jordan's mistress who got $5 million out of him and had another kid by another NBA star as well and got $2 million for that one----Jennifer Lopez who made it with no talent off the backs of black men, only to show them her ASS once reaching the top)...prove to be the REAL golddiggers who are getting black men's money.

No matter what those women do---black men do not attack their honor in public.

Not like EMINEM and so many others have gleefully dishonored black women----and been patted on the back by black men for doing so.

If you're a little black girl, turn on the radio and you will receive these hateful messages from black men all day long.

IT IS SPREADING TO AFRICA NOW---father's informing their daughters that they're "not pretty" and should get a Chemical Relaxer and skin bleach cream and lighter makeup.

Black women are not walking around in "white girl drag"....or in "Spanish girl drag"....for any other reason than the fact that BLACK MEN do not accept you as BLACK.

The further away you get from BLACK....the more you will be accepted, celebrated and noticed by BLACK MEN.

The entire black community (notice people like Cynique) backs him up on this---making EXCUSES for his behavior---mainly because WE ALL believe that we are inferior and that he's leading us the right way, as he leads us to LIGHTER, BRIGHTER, WHITER-----because-----he doesn't like himself very much.

And if the black man falls--we all do, automatically.

The Black Woman is WEAK. They call her "strong" but she is the weakest woman in the world.

Her answer to the Black man's self-hatred...is to become a White woman.

She doesn't stand up for herself, because she wants to be...whatever he WANTS her to be.

She's a fool, and because she's the ROOTS of the tree and is WEAK....the tree rots, producing bad fruit.

The only way to change this...is for BOTH SIDES to put down their false pride and acknowledge it.

We've become a race of "Niggers". The majority of our people--and our leaders---WORLDWIDE---are niggerstock.

Some of you prefer to call it---"slave mentality".

But it's worse than that. And if we don't acknowledge it and combat it---it's like a cancer that is going to eat us until there is nothing left...but the white bones.
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What a bunch of wimps you kola groupies are. Too bad she has to lie about me, to make her points. And it's so stupid of you to fall for it. To say that I ennable Eminem is ridiculous, but you gullible boobs eat it up. Don't choke, kiddies. Nothing she says or does will have any effect on me or my future. Trust me. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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No, Cynique

WOMEN LIKE YOU enable the black community to avoid "introspection" and "change"----unless that change is in a direction that benefits the dominant culture and race.

Close inspection of 90% of your posts on these boards would show anybody that you have no problem with things just the way they are--and that you don't give a shit about anybody but yourself.

Those elements of WSupr. that benefit you because you're "High Yellow"---you PROTECT.

And your penchant for going BEYOND "devil's advocate" and just sucking the devil's damn dick is LEGENDARY.

And last up....

Nothing I say or DO is aimed at your OR your future.

Although, I'm quite certain that since my books are now being studied in colleges and are having a very profound impact on black women---and since your grandchildren will inhabit the world of the offspring of my sons and those children----what I do may have an effect after all.

I can certainly say that the works of all those who came before me---has impacted this society and made it possible for me to exist.

That includes Lena Horne.

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Before I sign off on this volatile subject, I would simply reiterate that kola will not and cannot impact on my life in any way, but for her to utilize half-truths and persuasive rhetoric, to advance the worst case scenario of black American women is the height of arrogance. Kola's wholesale indictment of black women is nothing but an attempt to build a case for her self-serving cause and provide an outlet for her need to be aggrandized. There are millions of black woman all over America, of all ages and colors and stations in life who do not fit the profile that kola has cleverly contrived in order to create a need for her leadership. Her words are an insult to them and she speaks with an authority which she has not earned. And for her crew of clones to stand by and swallow this swill without question is even sadder. When they look in the mirror do they see the female kola boof described? Admittedly, things are not perfect in the black community, but all kola does is describe the problem and then resort to histrionics while offering ways to throw fat into the fire. Not surprising. This is a quixotic woman with a spotty romantic history, a woman who publicly moons over and throws herself at married "ABM", yearning for his return to the board. tsk-tsk. How does she have the nerve to scold others??
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When is it going to occur to you, kola, that until you can hold yourself up as an example of a strong viable black woman, then you need to shut up. You talk it, but you don't walk it. All you do is use colorism as a smoke screen to hide your own instability.
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And none of your descriptions of me---even as fiction----ring true.

I'm so much more complex than that.

Not to mention...your "ambitions" for Kola Boof are 100 times bigger than what I envisioned for myself.

That, in itself, is quite an impact.



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And none of your description of me and my circumstances are true either. You regularly lie to others about me having white grandchildren and me having a "blue vein" mentality and you do it to reinforce your arguments. You are, in fact, a big liar. And, if you don't have any grand ambtions to turn back the tide of colorism then I hope that means you'll quit jamming this subject down our throats.
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Cynique, I am hardly the only person in America bringing up this subject.

Who started this thread? Who started the others?

NOT ME.

I simply comment just like everyone else.

The issue doesn't need me to explode. TIME is the issue.


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And since I'm such a sinful, wicked child...why am I always home on Saturday nights?

Those days are over. I'm a soccer mom now.

Flirting with ABM and fantasizing about him doesn't qualify as the "smutt" that you and his wife attached to it.

I like to talk a lot of shit to men. It's fun.










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I'm glad you are starting to realize that the issue of colorism and all of its ramifications is not new. You and others act as though you discovered it! If I act blase about the subject, it's because I've been around long enough to observe that the more things change, the more they become the same. The misguided vanity of black women is currently being re-hashed by a new wave of people who see the obvious and think they've had a great revelation that compels them to warn others about the detrimental effects of black folks who embrace the standards of the dominate culture. This "awareness" comes in cycles and it re-surfaced waaay back when Madame C. J. Walker was accused by some of encouraging black women to straighten their kinky hair and lighten their skin, and the last spurt occurred during the 70s and the "black is beautiful" movement which fizzled out about 15 years later, when Jheri curls and perms came into vogue, while Ambi bleaching cream advertised itself a moisturing preparation. And you'll pardon me if I am not a zealot for a cause that, if you had your way, would exact revenge on certain people for the sin of having light skin by expelling them from the race. BTW, I've never thought of you as a sinful, wicked child. To me you are a conniving, self-absorbed woman. And who wouldn't be misled about your sentiments for ABM, considering how you remind us regularly that you cry over him and wish you hadn't "run" him away from the board. sob-sob.
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"Socker mom"---------HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

Kola sure can SPIN, can't she?

Trying to reinvent herself over and over again.

It doesn't work. You have already shown your true colors.

And all of that crying everytime someone interviews you. You may FOOL some, but you don't fool people who have thinking and investigative skills.

You're like a lot of Africans who are so hardened and calleous from their brutal life on the continent, that they are the BEST OF THE BEST when it comes to FLEECING and the art of the scam.

A lot of you African scammers see how open America is and simply think that EVERYONE is ripe for ripping off and scamming.

Some are and some aren't. Some use their intelligence to question and to investigate, and others believe in the AMERICAN "fairytale of Africa"--SPUN BY AFRICANS and swallow whatever the scam flavor of the moment is from people like yourself.

A lot of you need to look into the historic flim-flam of Nigerians. While most are educated and hardworking, Nigeria has a tremendous history of theft and deceit of decent and gullible foreigners---mainly AMERICANS. There are always alerts going out about the latest Nigerian flim-flam.

Some of these Nigerian flim-flams are so outrageously creative, that people have put up websites DEDICATED to them. They pretend to go along with the scam artist by stringing them along, all the while putting up each response and email on their websites.
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Uh, uh, uh. Go head on, miz hart. I want to believe that you're the real deal, but kola has me paranoid. In any case, I find your posts veeeeeeery interesting.
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BTW, as somebody e-mailed me to remind, once Clairol came out with Nice N Easy golden blonde shampoo-in haircolor 25 years ago, it was on! Blondes of all races started havin more fun. LOL
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Right on Mrs. Hart! I told that bush monkey I'd pay for the crate anytime she wants to go back home.

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You're no longer a part of us. We don't care what you think. You no longer have a role or influence. Your interest is no longer a part of our concern....

Tonya
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Deal with it...
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Nothing like picking on kola in order to make her appear like a "victim." Right,"enchanted"? BTW, did you kill 2 birds with one stone, and diminish Mrs. Hart's 5-star rating with a meager one-star one? LOL. Buh-bye.
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Cynique, you're right. I didn't think about that. I hope people are wise enough not to confuse a victim with a vixen. I will try not to rub it in next time, but I can't stand that woman!


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Sorry, "enchanted." Not buying it. Go back to the drawing board. I gotta go watch the Bears play. You and tonya, renata, and Kola, et al and talk amongst yourself. Nobody really cares about all this shit. I'm outta here.
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?????

Cynique, you seem to have just as big a mental problem as Kola. I have tried for the life of me to understand your insistence that I am one of Kola's gang, but there's no logic to your ridiculous announcements. I have tried to be polite, but the fact is I couldn't care less what you buy. Your insults and accusations show to me that you've been conversing and hanging around that wambat too long and it's you that I don't buy.

Go straight to hell for all I care.


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Mrs. Hart, you're my favorite poster on here. I don't believe that you are Kola like Cynique does and I look forward to more of your posts, because you are the most sensible person I have read on these boards. I also appreciate the way you don't let that phoney ass bootyscratcher push us around in our own house. Nobody asked her to come here and start bossing folks.

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Kola doesn't look Nigerian,--but then again, we can't be certain if the woman in those pics is really the woman ranting her crazy butt off in these forums. And of course Nigerians aren't the only scammers out there.
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Renata --

"And most Black men they come into contact with have attitudes like NELS or the rap stars---they LOW-RATE black girls and their experiences"

No one's trying to unjustifiably denigrate anyone. Furthermore, if anyone wanted to denigrate you, you'd know it by now. And...since we're not here to "impress" each other, we'll move on in this thread in civility - perhaps. One more thing, your misdirected presumptiveness is disingenuous.
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LMAO, "enchanted". What insults have I hurled at you? Um. OK I guess associating you with Kola is an insult. But you've yet to say what your grievance with her is. If you really disliked her you would be agreeing with me. But you give yourself away by trying to get some licks in on ol Cynique. This whole contrived routine is so obvious, so transparent and a true testament to the idiocy of the dummies perpetrating it. Hi, tonya. ROTFLOL. BTW, I have always given Mrs. Hart her props, saying from the beginning that I found her civil and reasonable. Whoever she is, unlike you, she at least, has interesting things to say. And for your information, these boards, under the auspices of Troy Johnson and Thumper, are an open forum. What's with the "our own house" thing. I guess you fools think this is your private domain and everybody is supposed to just sit back and let you bad mouth anybody whose skin tone you don't like. Puleeze. (And in case you're curious the Bears are doing so bad I had to turn my attention to something even worse: The Kola losers )
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My grievance with her is that she cursed at me and attacked me the first day I came here! I said that I am a dark skinned black woman who has not experienced the woe is me crap she tries to peddle and she ripped into me. That is my grievance. As for "our own house", I meant the black community that has nothing to do with Africa. She's just a fruit loop out to make a buck!

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I didn't read the rest of your post until now. No, I am not one of Kola's gang, Cynique and as I did agree with you wholeheartedly until you started slinging the nasty accusations my way. Your just as loopy as Kola Boof. Probably shell shock from conversing with her so much.


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Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 06:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You persist in saying that I hurl nasty accusations at you, "enchanted" when all I've really done is to question your identity. And none of your glib explanations dispel my skepticism. So be it.
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Cynique, you can check Kola's and Enchanted's IP addresses and see if they're identical, then we'd know the truth.
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Schakspir, I'm not sure that "enchanted" is actually kola, and kola knows how to cover her tracks. But I do get the feeling that "enchanted" is role-playing. Whatever. I doesn't matter. LOL
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Are you suggesting that Kola is a fraud..?????
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"About this thread...

"WIGS" were created by the Ancient Egyptians, who were black Nilotic people from PUNT, Nubia and Cush.

They kept their heads shaved (both male and female) to protect them from sand mites and wore elaborate "braid" wigs. The Oromo people spread the use of these wigs as "cosmetic ornaments" to Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia and Tanzania, and within 100 years---they were all over Southern Europe (Greece), the middle east and the African continent.

WEST AFRICANS and the "Bantu" tribes of Southern Africa were the only people in Africa who never wore wigs.

Adornment Vs. Caricature

All races of humans have always worn "adornments"----African women have braided jewels in their hair, colored their hair, wore wigs, mud, sticks and animal fur in their hair for thousands of years.

But the AFRICAN STANDARD of beauty and femininity---even in EGYPT and Ethiopia----was always the SHAVED head of a female with jewels, shells and paint around that head.

This bald headed look symbolized "FERTILITY" and only the upper class elite women could afford to keep their heads shaven and decorated at all times.

At no time anywhere on the African continent was "long flowing hair" a standard of feminine beauty.

So we've always had "adornment"...BUT

The DIFFERENCE between adornment and caricature IS....adornment is only done for two reasons---

(1) to look like one's own people

(2) to please GOD.

TO former slaves and former colonized Africans.....WHITE PEOPLE are the "Gods" now.

Black Men worship the "images" that White men have fed to the world.

Black men have not created their own separate image-making media to insert their own images. They simply accept and use the white man's.

Black Men internalize and idolize these images, because they hold POWER, RESPECT, ADMIRATION, HUMANITY and are COVETED.

Whites are considered "more human" to black people...than blacks are. And the lighter black you are, the more human you become to blacks.

Black women, watching their whole race of men "bow down" to the White man's images---are constantly informed that it's their fault that black men are black in the first place---their womb is the thing "cursing" black men...and that they are INFERIOR, UNWORTHY, Less loved by GOD and UGLY.

The Black women, while holding their newborn children, believe these things so deeply...and Black men REINFORCE these beliefs....so that the children know from extremely young ages that they come from an inferior race that is "too dark" and ugly.

ALL WOMEN...all women on this planet...receive their ideals and notions regarding their LOOKS from #1--their fathers; #2--Uncles, Brothers and other MEN in their environment; #3--the MEDIA.

When a black man walks by a group of little dark black girls and doesn't acknowledge their presence, doesn't smile adoringly----those girls immediately receive the message that they are unworthy and unattractive.

Little girls place little value on what their MOTHER says about how they look.....unless MEN back up what the mother is saying.

WHITE WOMEN (not all, but at least 70%) are so "happy", "cheeful" and "confident"------because the entire society AFFIRMS their beauty and their humanity. THE MEDIA is their constant publicist. They are the women in the society who are considered----"Human"-----they can be a whore, a golddigger, a t.v. anchorwoman, biologist, lawyer, teacher, military wife, President's wife, Aids patient-----but even if they stoop to sucking black men's dicks in alleys for $10 a rod......they're still WHITE.

BUT OF COURSE....little Black girls in America, generally...don't have fathers.

And most Black men they come into contact with have attitudes like NELS or the rap stars---they LOW-RATE black girls and their experiences---many of them bemoan black skin, African hair and black features----ignoring black girls and saving their plaudits and glowing words for "pale skinned" races whose hair lacks protein and therefore grows long and flowing...in other words...the WOMB that produces the WHITE MAN is given priority and is celebrated by all as "NORMAL".

This is devastating for young black girls in America---I've seen it all my life.

Watching BLACK MEN (men who could be your own father, you imagine) not even notice you...but consistently praising, protecting and admiring women who are not black--and that includes the high yellow black women whose looks represent WHITENESS, regardless of them being members of the black race.

Of course, as Black women pack on pounds of FAT, develop frowning faces and exhibit mood swings and introverted personalities---black men could care less and refuse to notice that THEIR WOMAN (the mother of their race) is unwatered and is therefore producing unhealthy children.

WHITE MEN, on the other hand, set the standards--THE BAR---for "Maleness and Power" in this society and are the ones who have brilliantly created a MEDIA and a SOCIAL MORE/folkways that discounts the humanity of Black men (portraying the black man, literally, as KING KONG)--causing black men to have crippled self esteem, causing black men to devalue anything that is culturally or physically theirs (Africa and the black woman--the black child) and to be self-destructive.

Black men MOST OFTEN call black women

chickenheads
Ho's
bitches
golddiggers

BUT they become silent when white or non-black women (Kobe's accuser with multiple sperm stains on her panties---Michael Jordan's mistress who got $5 million out of him and had another kid by another NBA star as well and got $2 million for that one----Jennifer Lopez who made it with no talent off the backs of black men, only to show them her ASS once reaching the top)...prove to be the REAL golddiggers who are getting black men's money.

No matter what those women do---black men do not attack their honor in public.

Not like EMINEM and so many others have gleefully dishonored black women----and been patted on the back by black men for doing so.

If you're a little black girl, turn on the radio and you will receive these hateful messages from black men all day long.

IT IS SPREADING TO AFRICA NOW---father's informing their daughters that they're "not pretty" and should get a Chemical Relaxer and skin bleach cream and lighter makeup.

Black women are not walking around in "white girl drag"....or in "Spanish girl drag"....for any other reason than the fact that BLACK MEN do not accept you as BLACK.

The further away you get from BLACK....the more you will be accepted, celebrated and noticed by BLACK MEN.

The entire black community (notice people like Cynique) backs him up on this---making EXCUSES for his behavior---mainly because WE ALL believe that we are inferior and that he's leading us the right way, as he leads us to LIGHTER, BRIGHTER, WHITER-----because-----he doesn't like himself very much.

And if the black man falls--we all do, automatically.

The Black Woman is WEAK. They call her "strong" but she is the weakest woman in the world.

Her answer to the Black man's self-hatred...is to become a White woman.

She doesn't stand up for herself, because she wants to be...whatever he WANTS her to be.

She's a fool, and because she's the ROOTS of the tree and is WEAK....the tree rots, producing bad fruit.

The only way to change this...is for BOTH SIDES to put down their false pride and acknowledge it.

We've become a race of "Niggers". The majority of our people--and our leaders---WORLDWIDE---are niggerstock.

Some of you prefer to call it---"slave mentality".

But it's worse than that. And if we don't acknowledge it and combat it---it's like a cancer that is going to eat us until there is nothing left...but the white bones."










kola,

i almost cried when i read this post because about 90% of it is so true and really hits home.

while i feel that not all black women straighten their hair or add blonde colors to their hait because of self hatred (some do it jsut to change up the style) it's still important to celebrate our own standard way more than we do. I know i'mg etting sick of seeing black women with blonde weaves. Even if some of us are jsut doing it for style, it still sends the wrong message to little blakc girls and black boys and people in general. Even if you are doing it for style, it still gives the falst impresison that you want to be white(even if it's not true).

It allows black men and other races to ask this question "even black women don't see themselves as beautiful so why should we"


Even those of us who are wearing blonde hair and weaves just for the style (and not to look white) have to get rid of our own selfish sense of style and look at how this is effecting the community and affecting black children's self esteem. I get sick of seeing serena's ass with blonde hair all the dam time. It's ok to change up every once in a blue moon like for a few days or so but to sport blonde hair and straihgt hair and weaves all the time is nauseating.

and you're right...black women have always been a lot of talk.....we claim to be so strong but let the whole world use us until there's nothing left to be used anymore.


excellent post kola and beautifully written

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