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Tonya
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In mid-December, the U.K.’s Guardian newspaper ran an interview with Mary J. Blige, in which she said, “The blacker you are, the worse it is for you [in America]. If you’re mixed, you’ve got a shot. If you cater to what white America wants you to do and how they want you to look, you can survive. But if you want to be yourself, and try to do things that fit you, and your skin, nobody cares about that. At the end of the day, white America dominates and rules. And it’s racist.” Needless to say, that interview was a hot e-mail item, linked on countless Web sites, and the source of not a little controversy. But Blige’s candid observations were draped in unintentional comedy (or tragedy) by the posters hawking her new album, The Breakthrough, which had already papered American cities coast to coast by the time the interview dropped. On those posters, Blige is caught black-and-white style — skin lightened, eyebrows plucked and dyed, and blond hair twisted in a Heidi braid. And in the PR shot accompanying the new CD, her flowing blond locks and heavily airbrushed face reveal acquiescence, not resistance, to the cultural forces she lambasts in her quote. Granted, Blige has been rocking blond wigs and weaves for years. At least now she’s upped her hair-glue game. Maybe that’s “progress.”
Blige doesn’t much sing about the issues she discussed with The Guardian — not explicitly, anyway. But her voice has, in part, been shaped by them. Much of the domestic violence, emotional abuse and self-hatred she’s sung about from the beginning are side effects and consequences of racial hierarchy and power plays. The anguish, the exhaustion, the fury and the sadness in her vocals — even those eardrum-splattering sounds resulting from her legendary pitch problem — all seep from wounds larger and older than the first-person woes outlined in her discography. In her actual lyrics, however, Blige has rarely lifted her eyes from her own navel to acknowledge a larger world — except to thank fans who share her pain, and to offer herself as their patron saint.
The Breakthrough is so named because it’s supposedly a reflection of Blige’s newfound vocal prowess and her shedding of negativity. And it is that. Partially. But it could also easily be subtitled, “Yeah, I’m happy now . . . but remember when I wasn’t?” (And make no mistake, even happy Blige sounds like she’ll cut you.) Song titles like “Enough Cryin’,” “Gonna Break Through,” “Good Woman Down,” “Take Me As I Am,” “Baggage” and “Father in You” let you know that she ain’t straying too far from the script that’s made her rich and famous. On the spoken intro to “Good Woman Down,” Blige somberly states, “In my life, I seen it all. And now it’s time for me to pass on this knowledge to you, all my troubled sisters. This is my gift to you.” From there the song spins a tale about young Mary watching her daddy beat down her mommy, with Blige vowing that she’d never let a man lay hands on her. Except she does. Correction: She did. Now she’s a survivor dispensing advise, singing songs of devotion.
The embarrassingly facile “Father In You” (“When I was a baby/I didn’t get a hug from daddy/That’s why I need a hug from you...”) is a somber ode to her husband; “Take Me as I Am” starts off with Blige speaking about herself in third person (“She’s been down and out/She’s been wrote about/She’s been talked about, constantly/She’s been up and down/She’s been pushed around”) before segueing into a grim first-person victory chant (“You know I’ve been holdin’ on/Try to make me weak/But I still stay strong/Put my life all up in these songs/Just so you can feel me.”). And “Ain’t Really Love” has a chorus filled with the philosophizing of high school girls recounting imbalanced love affairs for Maury Povich. What becomes clear after a while is that, despite almost all the songs sweeping toward codas of enlightenment and self-discovery, Blige is still trapped in a self-scribed iconography of assault-and-battery survivor and Lifetime movie-of-the-week champion. She keeps pumping the well of victimization and Oprah-esque heroism — not only because that’s what sells, but because that’s a huge part of how she sees herself as a person and artist.
Her lyrics are prose poems that unfold personal narratives of struggle and triumph, continuously circling back to grief and wrongdoing before tacking on bruised happy endings. Pop-psych analysis and solutions peppering the songs are meant to demonstrate growth and insight into past behavior, but what they really do is provide the professional victim’s egoistic high. In “Can’t Get Enough,” when she tells her man, “I love it when you tell me the truth about me,” what comes through is not her appreciation of his honesty, but the condensed, seemingly contradictory underlying sentiment: I love...me. And not in a healthy sense, but in a mired-in-my-own-shit-and-ego way. Perpetual lancing of one’s own wounds isn’t an act of healing, or even of brutal honesty. Eventually, it becomes an exercise in narcissism, and the pain recalled and the pain self-inflicted become fetishes.
But that process does raise some questions: How do you let go of that which you can’t easily release — the history that birthed you, the dysfunction that shaped you, the consequences of past behaviors that were, in truth, actually reactions to a larger canvas of cause and effect? How much should you let go?
And, to cut Blige some slack: What’s the texture of happiness when you’re still scarred, if not misshapen, by past battles? It’s not going to be simple, or simply bliss. It’s not the gift of amnesia, airbrushed memory. It’s something more complex, more weighted. Take a closer look at Blige, beyond the newly honeyed skin and white-girl hair. Her eyes don’t smile, don’t broker trust or an air of being carefree. On Breakthrough’s opening track, “No One Will Do,” she sings, “I know y’all heard before/These same old metaphors/But my love is so much more . . .” with a certain blue-tinted breeziness. But the contrast between the song’s denotative meaning and its darker emotional tones gives what could have been pop fluff the weight of ghosts, marrow-oozing awareness of the costs of her current “happiness.” It’s one of the best performances on the new CD.
But that particular dynamic between emotional and lyrical elements is rare for Blige. Usually, her on-the-nose prose (called blunt or honest by her fans) converges a little too perfectly with mournful-to-histrionic vocals, boxing in a voice that bleeds beyond borders and begs, at this point, to be attached to lyrics that are more ambitious, more ambiguous. (Her duet with Bono on a cover of U2’s “One” somewhat answers that request here, though Bono kinda sleepwalks through his performance.)
You’re left to wonder, why is it that what was done by so many artists to whom Blige is compared (Aretha, Billie, Chaka) — namely, the creation of a body of work centered on romantic pain and mistreatment — more irksome when Blige does it? The answer might be that those other artists left room for the listener to actually be the protagonist, not just a supporting character, when listening to the songs. The best artist sings from her soul and yours. But if you don’t already deeply love and (over-) identify with Blige, and aren’t completely besotted with her personal mythology, then you’re often left on the sidelines, awkwardly looking on as she bogarts the spot meant for both of you.
And unlike her politically attuned foremothers, Blige may give good press, but she continues to make art that never goes beyond six degrees of Mary. There’s no “Strange Fruit,” “Mississippi Goddamn” or “To Be Young, Gifted and Black” in her. The fact that she’s been called the Aretha or Nina of her generation is perhaps not the laughable stretch that it initially seemed. It might just speak volumes about our culture’s politics now, and about our shrunken requirements for idolatry and identification.
Here’s the thing, though: The Breakthrough is actually a fantastic album — most especially if taken as a standalone artifact from Mary’s career. It’s beautifully produced, full of hard beats and warm textures. The Black Eyed Peas’ Will.I.Am, Rodney Jerkins, 9th Wonder and Jam & Lewis are among the crowd of producers who help shape a cohesive career-best for Blige. Her voice is not only stronger but also more dynamic than before; there’s a sparkling tenderness to a lot of her performances, balanced by some not-at-all-embarrassing rapping. At times, she even sounds like a young (somewhat shriller) Natalie Cole, with vintage soul-slinger Raphael Saadiq as her Chuck Jackson and Marvin Yancy rolled into one on the track “I Found My Everything.”
She still can over-sing like a mofo, but there are times when that absolutely works. On the future club hit “Can’t Hide From Love,” Blige attacks the lyrics like they owe her money (“Put your arms around me and don’t be shy/What you feel is a real woman/probably for the first time . . .”), riffing a breakdown lifted from the Emotions’ “Best of My Love” and making you forget that the co-billed Jay-Z is reduced to underused hype man. And the masturbatory “MJB Da MVP,” an ode-to-self that strings together titles of her past hits and references the song’s self-absorbed guest star, 50 Cent, provides these chuckle-inducing, Jerry Springer-esque lines: “Most of all, I wanna thank my fans for hanging in there with me during the bad times/And now you’re here to see me at a point in my life where I can actually call myself a queen/And for those of you that don’t like it, this is what you can do/You can do dis: You can hate it or love it, hate it or love it, hate it or love it . . .” It’s the new anthem for neck-swiveling, self-loving queens of all races and genders.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:46 pm: |
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Oops!
That article was titled..
"More Drama" by ERNEST HARDY printed on JANUARY 13 - 19, 2006
Tonya
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Renata
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That was interesting. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Well, if those are her personal experiences, who am I or anyone else to say that she is wrong? |
Schakspir
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That's funny coming from her. MJB's been straightening and dyeing her hair blonde for a decade or more. Other than that, yeah, it is true: it's called Divide And Rule, let the light niggers get through(to a better part of the prison)and let the blackies stay behind and rot(in the worst part). Old Colonialism at its best. |
Enchanted
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I'm figuring out what's been going on here.
Schakspir and Kola are lovers. He came on here to promote her book.
Anybody else see what I see?
Something don't sit right.
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Tonya
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I give her credit for speaking up! It took a lot of courage and a huge risk to do what she did. And, Schakspir, you said that it's "funny coming from her."
I disagree with you -- I think it makes a lot of sense coming from her. She is clearly revealing that what you referred to as the "Divide And Rule" is what forced her to straighten and dye her hair blonde for a decade or more. It's the only way that an authentic black women like her can make it as far as she has in that business.. so who better to tell it but her. I think it's right on time too. she deserves an enormous amount of credit for taking such a risk.
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Cynique
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There's a difference between being deluded and being expedient. Mary isn't clueless. She knows the score so she's playing the game. She is not of a mind to sacrifice fame and fortune for principle. On and off stage she has always impressed me with her down-to-earth honesty. How many would do differently in her place??? |
Schakspir
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"I'm figuring out what's been going on here.
Schakspir and Kola are lovers. He came on here to promote her book.
Anybody else see what I see?
Something don't sit right."
Totally wrong. |
Schakspir
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Apropos of the article-having fully digested it--I think the writer hits it on the head, not just about Mary J. Blige, but the same could be said about Lil Kim and a bunch of these other singers, male and female--they are so goddamn egocentric, unable to transcend their own personal slop and become bigger artists(if not necessarily bigger people). We won't be seeing another Ella Fitzgerald or Sam Cooke or Otis Redding or Aretha Franklin for some time. |
Mrs_hart
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“The blacker you are, the worse it is for you [in America]. If you’re mixed, you’ve got a shot. If you cater to what white America wants you to do and how they want you to look, you can survive. But if you want to be yourself, and try to do things that fit you, and your skin, nobody cares about that. At the end of the day, white America dominates and rules. And it’s racist.”
You know I could understand this self-pitying rant if this was 1960 or 1970. But Mary is a SUPERSTAR and lives a lifestyle MOST of us will never see. She has a body of work that will long outlive her. Hip-Hop music's most talented people ARE DARK SKINNED. They call the shots for the videos, write the raps and the beats, display their own mode of style and fashion--that the WHOLE world is copying. Yes, White America is still on top, but that DIDN'T STOP MARY. It definitely didn't stop WHOOPIE.
These younger folks today need to stop and COUNT their blessings. Don't be complaining when you are LIVING like a queen and most of the world is starving, war-torn and HOMELESS.
What is SHE whining about? She used her talent to become the SUCCESS that she is. How about saying HALLEJUAH to that? Other generations before kicked down the damned doors that ALLOW her to be where she is today. ALL she had to do was show some talent---AND COME ON IN.
Take the down-in-the-mouth, slave-mentality hankerchief off, Mary, and come on down to reality. Life has been GOOD to you, girl. Give it a rest!
I have read an interview where she states that her own family beat her down spirtually and psychologically. She spoke very openly about the damage being still very much with her. She needs to deal WITH THAT. And stop blaming her color, because apparently HER COLOR and HER TALENT put her where she is today.
Wanna trade places, Mary? Day-um! |
Renata
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If she truly feels that way, I think she should say so. The rest of the world's colored people are starving and homeless because they don't have the history of people like Mary, (and Martin, and Malcolm) SPEAKING UP about what they perceive as racism. They're willing to say NOTHING, while European people come in, strip the resources, and shut them out.
By your rationale, Marting Luther King (who came from Atlanta's black elite, and was Morehouse educated) should have shut up and stopped complaining. His family was well to do, and ran with the Auburn Avenue crowd. He didn't personally have to ride at the back of a bus, or go to bad schools, so what the heck was he complaining about? |
Mrs_hart
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No, that's your rationale, as King was not mentioned by me, but by you.
The rationale is that Mary has some deep psychological work to do on herself.
How can you say that it's harder when you darker when 1) She's successful 2)She is living the life of a rich American superstar.
Mary made it even when addicted to drink and drugs. She had an insider (Puffy) guiding her career.
She really did not expound on how she PERCEIVED racism, she just spouted that record in her head as if the life she is living NEVER REALLY HAPPENED. It' her spin on KEEPING IT REAL, when she has FAR surpassed her origins and is QUITE successful.
Don't tell me that it's harder when you're dark when you have succeeded beyond your WILDEST dreams.
Like I said before, she had no doors to knock down. There were already gone.
Her denial of acceptance and superstar status is rooted in not being loved, respected and supported by those closest to her during her youth. Unfortunately that included her own mother and aunts.
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Tonya
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"How can you say that it's harder when you darker when 1) She's successful 2)She is living the life of a rich American superstar."
When you have to paint yourself white and fry your head bald, that's when you can say it's harder to be darker. Mary J. Blige is a dark-skinned woman. She's not the complexion she is when you see her in the magazines, on TV, or in videos. She took off her make-up & weave a few years ago to show her fans what she looked like without it (obviously her way of speaking out even then). She was AT LEAST 6 shades darker, her hair was pulled back; and you better believe, black folks everywhere were commenting on how "ugly" they thought she looked without her make-up. That's apparently one reason why it's harder for her to be darker. I'm pretty sure she has a few other reasons why.
BTW, she looked absolutely beautiful without her hair and make-up.
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Mrs_hart
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<font size="5">Martin Luther King once said, "Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism,or in the darkness of destructive selfishness." </</font>
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Chrishayden
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They shot Martin Luther King too, didn't they. I wonder why?
I guess that was all his fault, too. |
Mrs_hart
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"Black man and Black woman, there is nobody to blame. Yes, the white people brought us into slavery. Very good. But, who ordained it? See, if you want to blame somebody, why not blame God? You don't have the heart, do you? Because God is good, isn't He? He wouldn't let white folks do this to you---but He did. What did they do it to us for? You have to STRUGGLE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS CHARACTER IN YOU, Black man. And that is why the last will be the first. And that is why the stone that the builders rejected is going to be the headstone of the corner. 'It is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our sight.' You have no excuse, Black people Nobody to blame; look within and CONQUER THE ENEMY OF SELF that makes you an opposer of YOUR OWN JOURNEY toward God. And you put that internal enemy to flight. There is no external enemy that could handle you."
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Schakspir
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"How can you say that it's harder when you darker when 1) She's successful 2)She is living the life of a rich American superstar."
When you have to paint yourself white and fry your head bald, that's when you can say it's harder to be darker. Mary J. Blige is a dark-skinned woman. She's not the complexion she is when you see her in the magazines, on TV, or in videos. She took off her make-up & weave a few years ago to show her fans what she looked like without it (obviously her way of speaking out even then). She was AT LEAST 6 shades darker, her hair was pulled back; and you better believe, black folks everywhere were commenting on how "ugly" they thought she looked without her make-up. That's apparently one reason why it's harder for her to be darker. I'm pretty sure she has a few other reasons why.
BTW, she looked absolutely beautiful without her hair and make-up.
--Gladys Knight didn't have to do all that crap. Neither did Bessie Smith, who did exactly what she pleased. Ditto Ma Rainey, who even came out of the closet when staying in the closet(in the 1920s)was the smart thing to do. |
Kola_boof
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Ditto Whoopi Goldberg---who remains---the top grossing "Black" movie actress of all time and always sported locs.
Regardless of Mary's true words and as much as I love her and her music....she's setting the wrong example--teen black girls will never read those words---but you see these young teens in "white girl drag" rocking Mary's Cds and claiming they're copying Mary--not white women.
The only reason Mary made those comments is because people like Lauryn Hill, Abbey Lincoln and Marita Golden have recently been getting in her ass.
She's repeating what THEY told her.
Hell, Nina Simone is a legend--loved by Whites more than blacks if you go by who actually BUYS her music---and she was totally militant.
I agree with Spike Lee, as he said many years ago that "Black entertainers" really are not forced to cow-tow to Whites as they allege.
He came out AS HIMSELF, demanded that his art be Pro-black and that his voice be uncompromised as a "black man". Denzel Washington did the same thing.
And I've seen from my own career that Spike is right.
Black American claim they can't believe I write the things in my books that I do...and get away with it.
Sincerity and passion conquers all.
Let's hope that PLAYING Nina Simone next year will change Mary forever---because although I think she looks drop gorgeous in her new CD photos---I detest the blonde hair and what it says about black women and the black race itself.
It's a poisonous statement that she's been making for way too long.
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Abm
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Kola: "I detest the blonde hair and what it says about black women and the black race itself."
PLUS...The shyt looks godAWFUL on her. There ain't NOBODY around her who has the guts to tell her that? |
Tonya
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Kola:
The only reason Mary made those comments is because people like Lauryn Hill, Abbey Lincoln and Marita Golden have recently been getting in her ass.
Tonya:
Why ain't they getting into weave wearing, 10 shades lighter, green contacts until recently, Oprah's ass? -- What they scurrrd? Could it be that Mary isn't the type who'll fight back, but the articulate, powerful, billionaire Winfrey will jump ugly in a second and stump a mud hole in a nigga's ass???
I love both Marita and Lauryn..
but I ain't into kick'n on the only one who's down.. too cowardice for me. |
Kola_boof
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Tonya,
It's been YEARS...almost 10...since Oprah Winfrey sported a pair of green contact lenses.
She did say on her t.v. show that being around women like Toni Morrison and Maya Angelou....persuaded her to STOP.
As for ADORNMENT---it's one thing to wear false hair to look like your own people
...but quite another to try and look like another race of people.
I love Mary, too.
But you're grasping at straws trying to say that this woman, whose been in "white girl drag" for 15 YEARS NOW! is really just doing what she's forced to do.
Mary was born to be a STAR, it comes naturally---she has a huge ego---and she doesn't feel special.
Like me, she secretly feels that she should be placed above ANY damn white, latina or OTHER bitch--she KNOWS she's a Queen. But out of anger and "self doubt"----she tries to OUT DO them at their own look.
Millions of young girls look up to Mary...they imitate what she does.
Have ridden through the "hood" and seen all these dark young girls looking like Blond Nigger Coons--passing this mess into their children, because they wanna be "cute" like Mary?
This may be "fake hair" MIXED IN with Gabrielle Union's own hair---but there isn't a single thing about this photo that says--"My race is inferior"; "I wish I looked European"; "Please notice me."
LOOK AT LITTLE KIM
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Kola_boof
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ABM,
Hi. 
"Mary" is one of those girls who becomes stubborn when you tell her that she can't do something---or what she MEANS by it.
She constantly talks/sings about "keeping it real"...and SHE IS real on the inside. But she's too weak to let go of her FAKE image.
I think she's changing and I expect to see a "new look" in the next few years.
Especially now that she's about to play Nina Simone.
She's a GORGEOUS woman. She could look so much more stunning as a Black woman.
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Renata
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Gabrielle Union's hair looks all real to me, but I could be wrong.
If it's fake, then she had it done RIGHT. |
Tonya
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I think it's ALLLLLL a slippery slope..
including the permed tressed, straight flowing haired Gabrielle Union...
but ain't eeeeeeven gonna argue with you after the way you put your shit down on the other thread -- Giiiiiiirl!!!! WELCOME BACK!
Tonya |
Tonya
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Oops, Reneta! Ignore that last post -- it was to Kola. |
Zuriburi
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Lil Kim looks like a science project. |
Kola_boof
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I think when men see Lil Kim looking like this
It's a HUGE turn on.
It's sort of the way they react to "pretty transvestites" (as I've been called one by Schakspir and others)
---men LOVE "freakiness" and the "unknown".
The problem IS...after they fuck the shit out of Kim's BLOND "white cake" creation....they have no further interest in her, because she's FAKE.
Some laugh at her; others will pity her.
But men detest a woman who is that weak---who so literally hates herself.
They'd rather run dicks in her mouth and bang her REAL HARD (not slow and romantically). And then leave.
Black girls don't understand that....and MANY of them end up being "dick receivers"---nutted on---and deserted (often with babies), because they weren't about shit that wasn't FAKE.
The boys, most of the time, aren't about shit either.
I know, because I used to be a whore--never a "prostitute"--get it straight, I was not a prostitute--but I was man-candy; a whore. Sucking dicks and being nutted on was my main adventure.
And the only thing that saved me was that I had enormous intelligence and was always OBSERVANT and aware of what was going on.
It was like a "role" I was playing.
So my intention isn't to "DOWN" black women or hurt anyone's feelings---but to make it clear that when a brown woman is walking down the street with YELLOW hair----it's like a Billboard Anouncement:
look at me/I'm nothing
That's what people see and they treat you accordingly.
Of course, little girls, see it as "an option". And that's tragic.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1315
Registered: 07-2005
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I can't even describe what she looks like. Seriously.
I remember when she first came out.. when Biggie introduced her to the world. Tell me something, am I wrong or wasn't she darks-skinned (at least chocolate brown) then? |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1225
Registered: 02-2005
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Yes, Lil Kim was a pretty Pecan Brown girl.
Here's a photo:
So precious, I could cry.
I wish I had me a daughter.
Not that my boys aren't angels--they are.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1226
Registered: 02-2005
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Look at GRACE JONES done up as
Marilyn Monroe:
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1316
Registered: 07-2005
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Okay the girl I'm thinking about was a lot darker -- I must be mistaking her for Foxxy Brown. Maybe Foxxy was with Biggie that night.
And you are right.. she was precious. Why would she want to change herself...? Just like Micheal Jackson, she was such an adorable little thing. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1317
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 06:27 pm: |
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*******Look at GRACE JONES done up as Marilyn Monroe********
Oh my god!!!!!
Grace Jones is black, right...? -- Of course she is, right...?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE...????
See, this is all shocking to me 'cause I don't watch tv, listen to the radio, or look at magazines.
Only now after viewing these pictures am I starting to get a sense of what you're talking about. You really mean "DRAG" don't you...?
Ohhhh, this is something else!!!
Tonya
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 409
Registered: 08-2005
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The terrible thing is that Grace Jones was beautiful and fabulous as she was, tall and long with gorgeous eyes, and she finds it necessary to try to look like this.
If the rich, famous, models and entertainers among us find it necessary to look like this in order to be beautiful, what hope does an average looking black girl have? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1318
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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******If the rich, famous, models and entertainers among us find it necessary to look like this in order to be beautiful, what hope does an average looking black girl have?******
LMBAO!!!
Too True!!!
And I'm sittin' back thinkin' I'm all cute.... Just got my nails and hair did, skin all clear, thinkin' I'ma ROCK some natural beauty...
And here they come with this shit!
Not Funny!...
Tonya |
Zuriburi
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 07:03 pm: |
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Yes it is more sad than anything else to know that some black people live with that much self-comtempt. I feel both anger and pity for women like lil kim. Angry at this culture, angry at slavery and angry at us for accepting and internalising this hostility towards blackness.
Although she does look like a science project, I don't believe that this problem of self hate will be solved by trying to shame its victims (of which we all are to different extents). I think we have to, through our art, change our self perception. (something that Kola does brilliantly)
How is that possible with overwhelming dominance of whitness in the world? I don't know. A miracle perhaps. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1227
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 07:53 pm: |
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The 1960's has already proven that it can be done---and done easily.
As Marita Golden said--blacks were finally on the right path...but just didn't stick to it.
And you will notice that by the late 1970's, the WHITES, in frustration, decided to give black men--access to the white woman.
In the year 1980, the number of black men dating interracially jumped 300%.
This is also the year that the Hip Hop Revolution began to take root---it started with Sugar Hill Gang and Curtis Blow in 1978/79.
Our men then turned against all that we'd been planting in the 60's, 70's.....and jumped ship in droves....thereby allowing everything to return to FULL EFFECT WHITE SUPREMACY.
What there was of the Black Community and the Black FAMILY...collapsed.
In 1922, Black Single Motherhood was 7%
Following the WOMEN'S MOVEMENT of the early 70's:
Black Single Motherhood grew to 17%
Black Single Motherhood was 20% by 1980.
FOLLOWING the installment of the Gang Wars and HIP HOP Culture that started in 1980:
Black Single Motherhood leaped from 20% in 1980 to 70% by 1998.
Right now, in 2006---it's 73% Black Single Motherhood.
Black women have to make up their minds to RESIST and to "program" a new son.
It's not hard at all...if you are deliberate.
But most niggerstock worry about being UNFAIR and "non-inclusive" towards other races.
Only on BLACK RADIO do you hear the slogan: "No color lines!"
God forbid we try and build up our own race for ourselves and just ourselves.
That's too much like human behavior.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1228
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 07:58 pm: |
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NOTICE:
When black men were throwing their fist in the air and wearing AFROS----we all wanted to be black and were actively reaching for it.
Now that they're all flaunting White women on their arms and saying "My race is the human race"-------we all want to be white and are actively reaching for it.
So it doesn't take a miracle.
It just takes the Black man to want himself--and when he does that---we all will be leading in the right direction again.
Black women have to "program" a NEW son.
A son who will KILL the bad one.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1229
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 07:59 pm: |
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Nothing on this earth is more powerful...than a mother.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3377
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 08:14 pm: |
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Lil Kim didn't look "pecan" to me in that picture, kola boof. Your eyes are so filled with tears, crying over her that you can't see that she is light-skinned! You will say anything to try and make a point. And I still maintain that white women are as gulity as black women are of trying to align themselves with what has been decreed as beautiful. If they aren't starving themselves to death, they are sticking their fingers down their throats to throw up. They mutilate their bodies, they dye their hair BLOND and add extensions. They have their noses bobbed, and cheeks implanted, skin foliated, lips pumped with collagin, foreheads injected with poisonous botox. THAT'S WHAT WOMEN DO! Apparently Mary J. and Beyonce's fans don't give a shit what they do to their appearance as long as they produce music they want to hear. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1231
Registered: 02-2005
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Actually CYNIQUE. It's you with glaucoma.
Anybody can see that picture is OVER-exposed with a High Flash.
Lil KIM was never light skinned. She was about 5 shades DARKER than that photograph.
I will get some photos and POST THEM---to demonstrate that you're flat out wrong...AGAIN.
And white women are NOT AS GUILTY as black women are of dehumanizing themselves and their looks. That's UTTER bullshit.
For every 1 white girl suffering bulemia---there are 20 more who are perfectly healthy, happy and LIVING OFF this society's victimization of black women and girls.
You're an old rag who didn't DRIP DRY---and makes a big stink...rather than wipes things up, Cynique.
Your basic message is: DO NOTHING..it will take care of itself.
Which is why your people were on plantations so long. Because of dog-bark AFFIRMING bitches like YOU.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3380
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 08:53 pm: |
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Well, Kolasshole, I will not engage you in a discussion about this because I'm convinced that color is in the eye of the beholder. "Light" is relative and depends what color it is being measured against. And the fact that you go ballistic about this subject proves my point that your cock-eyed perception of color become coordinated with the argument you are trying to make. BTW, you're ugly and mentally unbalanced. |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 101
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 08:54 pm: |
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"Black Single Motherhood was 20% by 1980.
FOLLOWING the installment of the Gang Wars and HIP HOP Culture that started in 1980:
Black Single Motherhood leaped from 20% in 1980 to 70% by 1998.
Right now, in 2006---it's 73% Black Single Motherhood.
Black women have to make up their minds to RESIST and to "program" a new son.
It's not hard at all...if you are deliberate.
But most niggerstock worry about being UNFAIR and "non-inclusive" towards other races.
Only on BLACK RADIO do you hear the slogan: "No color lines!"
God forbid we try and build up our own race for ourselves and just ourselves.
That's too much like human behavior."
Those statistics are part of the overall NATIONAL trend. America is dying. White women have the fastest growing rate of illegitimacy in the country. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 08:57 pm: |
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Come now CYNIQUE. You don't really believe I'm ugly.
You even told me I was "attractive and girlish" once.
And even if you DID believe that I was ugly...you certainly wouldn't believe that I, too, believed it.
You're too smart for that.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3383
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 09:25 pm: |
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I didn't want to hurt your feelings by saying how goofy looking I thought you were, and I've always considered you a lunatic. Now where was I?" You're ugly and you're mentally unblanced. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1240
Registered: 02-2005
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LOL
You're so cute as your twisted knuckles hold onto that purse day and night--at the market; in bed; in the tub.
And your teeth slide, but you've still got that crackle-pop voice of authority.
Too bad there's no longer any hair to pin your wig on though.
Too bad.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3385
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 09:43 pm: |
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Heh-heh. You can't stand the idea that I don't find you anything about your cruddy face attractive. Now I'm tired of wasting my time on your grotesque appearance. You're ugly, you're crazy. And you stink. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1242
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 09:51 pm: |
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**Yawn***
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 410
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 11:02 pm: |
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http://www.gigwise.com/artists/00001250_Untitled-1.gif
http://www.lukaskaiser.com/archives/lilkim.jpg
Compare these pics of Lil Kim to the above pic.
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 412
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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Sorry for that, here's a repost:
Those statistics are part of the overall NATIONAL trend. America is dying. White women have the fastest growing rate of illegitimacy in the country."
That's why NOW it's important for the government to make fathers pay child support. As I said before, when the women asking for child support were predominantly black, the judge told them to shut up and get welfare. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1324
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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********Compare these pics of Lil Kim to the above pic.*******
Embarrassing...
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Zuriburi
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Username: Zuriburi
Post Number: 33
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 02:47 pm: |
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Kola, can you give me the name of the Marita Golden book that you are referring to in your post #1227.
Is it 'Don't play in the sun'?
I have always thought that a psycological change has to occur amongst Black people in order for economic,
and cultural progress to occur. Are you saying that in the 1960s we were on our way making that psycological transformation.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1361
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 04:30 pm: |
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Good question Zuriburi. |
Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 525
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 05:37 pm: |
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---Compare these pics of Lil Kim to the above pic.--
I've got two words for those pictures:
FALLEN ANGEL |
Diamondeyz
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 05:39 pm: |
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I am so dead... someone said lil kim looks like a science project... LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I am gonna get fired... lololol |
Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 537
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 08:26 am: |
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--someone said lil kim looks like a science project...----
SHE DOES!!! :D LOL!
It's funny and sad. She's like michael jackson. You want to laugh at her AND cry for her.
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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 05:18 pm: |
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Speaking of which has anybody seen Naomi Campbell lately. She looks so stupid with her dark skin and bleach blonde hair. I also agree with Kola Boof in that we black men are the leaders of our community. We must take the lead be fathers, brothers, and uncles. |
Metasmith
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 06:56 pm: |
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Gabrielle Union wears a weave. She talks about it in Essence or Sister2Sister, I forget which. But lots of entertainers wear weaves and wigs because the folks that style your hair don't care for it and it will all fall out if you're not careful. I don't think everyone who goes blond wants to look white. I think it looks flattering on MJB. But that's JMO. I've personally had every color hair, weave, and wig there is. It's not cuz I wanna look white. I've got ADD (no really, I do). Can't stand to look the same way too long. Can't hey, did anyone see the Lakers vs Heat game. Wasn't that ref tripping with all the technicals he was calling? Oops, ADD strikes again. |
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