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Misty
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Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 10:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Natural and sexual selection to ABM

hi abm, i know this is late but i decided to make it another topic since we were discussing rather or not there are certain "natural" beauty standards that men and women go by when choosing one another. Plus the other thread got buried anyway......Anyway, alot of how we see beauty can be explained by natural and sexual selection and it doesnt only occur in animals but it occurs in humans as well.

sexual selection is when human beings select the opposite sex according to how fertile they will be...fertility means a woman or man can produce healthier children and more children.

natural selection has to do with the enviornment and how our bodies adapt to the climate. For instance.....if you lived in africa there was once a need for women to have big butts in order to carry the babies on their back and to store food in order to survive long droughts. this is why the big butt became such a beauty satandard in africa and everywhere else in the world up until recently. So the woman with the larger behind was able to survive longer.

This is kind of like the type of sexual selection you will find in the case of butterflies. Very few butterflies are albinos ...there were at one time alot of white butterflies but now they are rare to find...why? because they got bred out of existence.....The other butterflies did not find them attractive enough to mate with because it would be harder for a white butterfly to survive.





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Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 10:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

here are a few examples from a few articles that explain sexual selection


This article below explains how women advertize fertility through the face....this can also be used as an explanation for why women wear lipstick to accent their lips and why most men on average prefer women with wider hips and a larger butt. Women with wider hips , larger behinds , larger breasts and smaller waists have more estrogen and are better for child bearing. Estrogen is also the reason men tend to prefer women with more wide open eyes. That kind of goes along with what you were saying in the other thread about beauty being found in the most exaggerated features…well, that is why. Anyway here is the article below:

"Facial appearance in males and females diverges during puberty. The level of estrogen a woman has during puberty affects how much the bones of her face will grow as well as the texture of her skin. Higher estrogen levels cause the bones to grow less, particularly the nose and chin. Estrogen also leads to larger eyes in women along with fuller lips and fat deposition in the cheeks. The hormone is also the catalyst for a curvy figure – depositing fat on the hips and buttocks. In men, that Brad Pitt-like chiseled jaw is the result of testosterone. This male hormone causes men’s faces to grow larger and their jaw and brow bones to become more pronounced during puberty. "


http://www.uterus1.com/news/Uterusmainstory.cfm/84/31


here's one article that has to do with the skin color on men and women...it says women line up slightly lighter than their male counterparts. so this may add to your argument of why men prefer light women and women prefer dark men BUT...according to NAUTRAL selection (not sexual selection)youth and skin smoothness and clarity also has to do with fertility....remember that on average lighter skin wrinkles at earlier ages and i also read that people with lighter skin are more likely to suffer from acne problems...so there is where it gets complicated in terms of explaining rather or not its biological for men to prefer ligther skin.


"In general, people with ancestors from sunny regions have darker skin than people with ancestors from regions with less sunlight. However, this is complicated by the fact that there are people with ancestors from both sunny and less sunny regions, and whose skin coloring may have any shade of the spectrum of possible tones."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_color



women also select men according to how muscular they are and how tall they are because the men who are taller and more muscular produce healthier children.

so there is a certain set standard of beauty when it comes to nature. Not saying this holds true for all people because some peoples bodies work differently but it does follow true for most.


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Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 11:14 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"What Brad sees in Angelina’s face is similar across cultures. Studies have shown that men on average prefer women with fuller lips, a shorter jaw, and a smaller chin. Law Smith and her team suggest the link between estrogen and facial appearance may be the reason why men prefer feminine faces.

http://www.uterus1.com/news/Uterusmainstory.cfm/84/31



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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 09:18 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Misty,

Angelina has had work done to her face to look that way. If you had of seen her prior to the nose job, she was rather homely looking. Not to mention her lips were not all that balanced with the rest of her features.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Misty,

You believe a single desired set of height, waist-2-hips and/or jaw/chin proportions can be applied to ALL of the world's people?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 11:51 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Misty:

You left out the comic books.

Abm's woman got to have some comic books with her.

It would help if she had them naturally growing out of her butt, but it's okay if she is carrying them.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,

It's true I like it when women are packin' it in the butt department. But it sure AIN'T comic books I hope they're totting back there.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And Chris...

Eat your friggin' heart out!!!
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

With the exception of people like the Hottentot Venus, its actually a myth that most AFrican women have wide hips or big asses. They have HIGH firm buttocks and narrow hips. Its Blakc Americam women who have the wide hips and big fat asses, not sure why.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Slavery bred us that way. On purpose.

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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I been "preaching" what you are posting all along, Misty. Certain things constitute the universality of feminine beauty; an oval face, apple cheeks, wide, slightly-slanted eyes not too close together, a finely-molded short nose and full lips. This "cute" type of face seems to be imprinted on the male brain perhaps because in the beginning it was the sign of a healthy child bearer. Angelina has had work done on her nose but she certainly didn't have her face re-arranged. She was an ugly duckling who grew into a swan. Brad Pitt is an architecture buff and I'm sure that's the prism through which he subconsciously viewed Angelina's face.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Speaking of natural selection:

Women naturally want a mate who is a great provider. In this day and age that translates to a man who has a secure, well paying job, owns property and/or is independently rich.

Since black men in America earn less and own less real estate than any other group of men; this means that on a primal level, they are regarded as less attractive.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl: "Its Blakc Americam women who have the wide hips and big fat asses, not sure why. "

Maybe (ironically) it's the WHITE blood in sistas that's party the cause of that.


"Since black men in America earn less and own less real estate than any other group of men; this means that on a primal level, they are regarded as less attractive."

Then why aren't sistas dating ASIAN American men who have some of the highest per capita incomes?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because Asian men have small penises
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Igbogirl,

So you're saying the ONLY reason why Black men have any sway with women is because we're reputed (not necessarily true) to have larger penises?

And let's say is true that Asian guys are little in the pistola department (I don't know or care.) What if Asian guys started getting penile enhancements by the millions?

Would more sistas be interested in dating?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If Asian men got penis extensions to make their penis fatter and longer and got very very deep suntans and got height extensions to make them at least 5'11 and got their hair processed to make it kinky, then yes, I'd be very interested in dating them. Oh they'd need to work out with free weight to build up some muscle tone as well.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl,

You appear to be contradicting yourself. First you say Black men lack the financial ends to be considered Choice. But then when I mention Asians who often are amongst the wealthiest Americans, you laden them with myriad physiological requirements.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm, black American men DO lack the financial ends. But, physically and sometimes spiritually, I consider black men to be more appealing than most other races. Asian men do have the wealth and career success that is attractive but most of them are not physically attractive IMO - although Indian men can be quite sexy, my criticisms were mainly about the physical attributes of Chinese, Thai and Japanese and Korean men.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl,

So then which would you do?

Settle for the po' big dyck brotha?

Or roll with the lil' dyck Asians?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't believe that all - or even the majority - of black men are packin' large cocks. I just prefer black men's facial features, skin color, hair texture and so on. I like the feel of some nice thick nappy hair under my hands and I don't very much like the feel of straight hair. Some black men can also be wonderfully thoughtful and deep and spiritual. I like that. Oriental type men just arne't sexy to me.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl,

Do you think White men offer a good blend of what you might desire in a man: Bigger dycks than Asians, more cash than brothers?

Or would you prefer to go the Latino route?
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Latino men are way more attractive than white men. I consider Latino and Black men equally attractive altho blakc men might have a slight edge on the Latino brothers.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In an ideal world, I would only date black men. Period
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl,

You think most Black women feel as you do?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Feel the way I do about what, Abm?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM, yes.

What's the difference between Latino and Black men? Quite a number of them resemble fair complected African Americans.
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And quite a number of them resemble dark-skinned Blacks as well, BB123.

What's the difference - they speak Spanish.

If you are mixed with African, European, and American Indian and speak English as your native tongue - you are Black.

If you are mixed with African, European, and American Indian and speak Spanish as your native tongue - you are Latino.

Period. End of story.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 03:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*Mixed with African, European, and American Indian and speak English as your native tongue = Multiracial

*For everything else, there's Mastercard.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 03:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl,

Do you realize that "mixed with African, European, and American Indian and speak English as you native tongue" describes 87% of Black Americans?
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Igbogirl,

I was referrig to the thoughts you've expressed here about Black, Asian, White and Hispanic men.


BB123,

Yes. There often are many physical similarities between Blacks and Hispanics. I think, though, the cultural differences (e.g., language, history, foods, etc.) are still fairly big hurdles to surmount.

American Blacks have a painfully paradoxical revulsion of and love for our history that is very difficult to explain and express to those who are not African American.
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A big part of the black american population
is MIXED with native american and white.
Especially in the South.This is one REASON
WHY Africans ARE NOT the same as American Blacks.
There is a difference.Our history and experiences are different. Why do people find that too hard to understand?
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As for your stank ass, EastPest, didn't you realize that many of your black American peoples flock to Africa every year to try to find their roots and they try to hard to be accepted by the West African blacks whose countries they visit. One of my Ghanaian friends used to run a scheme to bring black Americans over to Ghana to see teh "slave coast". They would get very emotional and try hard to be accepted by the Ghanaian people. So I do not get why this Eastwest armpit seems to believe that Black Americans hate Africans or something

By the way, when the Black Americans go on those trips to Ghana, the Ghanaians often call the Black Americans "white people" and don't accept them as Africans at all. They actually laugh at and about them. Very sad.
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African Butt Scratcher Ickyboo girl
I KNOW a LOT of black americans who
DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT AFRICANS.
I've heard People of other RACES Make Fun Of Africans. I Know a LATINO Guy who visited West Africa,when He got back He told People That West african women were the Most Repulsive Looking Females HE HAD EVER SEEN.

I bet that When you Crawled into the U.S from that Stinkhole of a place you call Nigeria,
a WHOLE LOT of people made fun of you to YOUR Ugly face and behind your back.Your Obsession with American black men just show's HOW UNWANTED and Desperate you really are
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Hey EastWest (ew), I came here from Switzerland actually, not from Nigeria. I went to school in Europe, FYI. I found that the blacks I encountered in Europe were not as self-hating as the likes of you, EW.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 05:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"By the way, when the Black Americans go on those trips to Ghana, the Ghanaians often call the Black Americans "white people" and don't accept them as Africans at all. They actually laugh at and about them. Very sad."

Wow! You just gave some readers a dose of very true but very bitter medicine. You're absolutely correct. They make no distinctions and they will refer to black Americans as "white". That is how ignorant and contemptuous they are of black Americans. And they do not connect nor see BA's as brothers (they way black Americans see them). I've never bought into the "I Love The Mother Land" scam! Only black Americans are mindlessly deluding themselves of this world wide umbrella of folks of color, with them sitting in the middle grinning, high fiving everyone and swapping stories on the evils of the white man. OTHER BLACKS AROUND THE WORLD DO NOT THINK NOR SHARE THAT FANTASY!! Most black people whether they are from Ghana, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, France, England, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, etc, believe that the American Negro is beneath them!!! All of the Afro-ologists of this board should understand and digest this painful, but very real fact!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NFTS,I have never had any interest
in black american's being united with Africans.
The one thing I like about the Ethiopian's I meet
is that a lot of them Do Not Try To Claim Black Americans
They Know that they are a different people from us
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Yeah these niggas from the HORN of AFRICA they dont even look fully human. They're so beautiful and unbelievably perfect that it's hard to believe they are mere mortals. I never saw anything like it before. Their beauty makes me feel like I am looking at God himself and it makes me fall to my knees and pray and cry and bow down. Their beauty darn near give me a heartattack. Especially them Somali girls. Maybe they are actually God himself in human form? or perhap they have magical powers that can heal the blind?
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BTW,I LOVE my AMERICAN heritage.
A Nigerian Dog face female like Ickyboo girl, will never have any Pride in Being a Nigerian.
KEEP ON POSTING ABOUT AMERICAN BLACK MEN,African Booty Scratcher!
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 09:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eastwest, why would Ethiopians claim African Americans when our ancestors came from West Africa? You make the dumbest comments. The reason that people from Ghana, Nigeria, Ivory Coast and Senegal claim American Blacks is because our blood is 80 to 90% theirs. Anyone can look at black people and see that we came from the West Africans. Even look at Beyonce face closely and you can see West Africa not Ethiopia. So why the hell would Ethiopians be claiming us?



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Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 04:42 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Asian men tend to have narrower penises than any other race.

In fact in India there is a condom crisis. Indian erect penises often slide out of condoms during sex, further exacerbating the HIV/AIDS crises over there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061208/od_afp/healthindiacondoms_061208113212

I've seen a few tall and sturdy Korean men with AMAZINGLY beautiful facial features and nice plump dicks, although they are a rare breed.
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Posted on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hey yall...sory i couldnt get back to this thread but my computer had been not letting me log on for about 3 days now.
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Posted on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Misty,

You believe a single desired set of height, waist-2-hips and/or jaw/chin proportions can be applied to ALL of the world's people?"

the proportions depend on the persons body weight and body height and body fat.
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"Misty,

Angelina has had work done to her face to look that way. If you had of seen her prior to the nose job, she was rather homely looking. Not to mention her lips were not all that balanced with the rest of her features"


brownbeauty...you're right...but i do think her lips have always been big.
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It would help if she had them naturally growing out of her butt, but it's okay if she is carrying them."

LMAO!
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"I been "preaching" what you are posting all along, Misty. Certain things constitute the universality of feminine beauty; an oval face, apple cheeks, wide, slightly-slanted eyes not too close together, a finely-molded short nose and full lips. This "cute" type of face seems to be imprinted on the male brain perhaps because in the beginning it was the sign of a healthy child bearer. Angelina has had work done on her nose but she certainly didn't have her face re-arranged. She was an ugly duckling who grew into a swan. Brad Pitt is an architecture buff and I'm sure that's the prism through which he subconsciously viewed Angelina's face."


very true....i've seen you posting about this before cynique...but you have alot of people who dont believe in this stuff so i just felt the need to explain why most men are attracted to certain faces on women since me and ABM were debating over rather or not there is actually a natual God-given beauty standard..
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"With the exception of people like the Hottentot Venus, its actually a myth that most AFrican women have wide hips or big asses. They have HIGH firm buttocks and narrow hips. Its Blakc Americam women who have the wide hips and big fat asses, not sure why. "


i've actually seen quite a few east african women with large butts too. but youre right west african women for the most part their butts would jsut be described as "thick" and high but not nessesarily big.
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Maybe (ironically) it's the WHITE blood in sistas that's party the cause of that.


i dobut that because youre less likely to see it in white women than you are black american women and thats even when both women have the same waistline.

i think what it is is that blacks have more muscle on their butts...so when you build fat up on that muscle....it only grows larger....plus the highness of black peoples butts also make them look larger.

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