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Mzuri
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Post Number: 2325
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 03:43 am: | 
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Judge orders paternity test of Duke accuser's baby
December 15, 2006
DURHAM, North Carolina (AP) -- A judge ordered a paternity test Friday on a baby expected by the woman who has accused three Duke lacrosse players of rape.
But the district attorney and the defense rejected any possibility that one of the men is the father.
News of the accuser's pregnancy comes roughly nine months after the team party where she says she was raped.
District Attorney Mike Nifong said the woman's baby is due in the first week of February.
The defense asked for the paternity test. At the same time, defense attorney Joseph Cheshire said it is an "absolute impossibility" that she got pregnant during the alleged attack.
Cheshire said the woman was given a pregnancy test immediately after reporting she was raped -- and it was negative -- and she took an emergency contraceptive.
In addition, DNA tests found no genetic material from any Duke lacrosse team members on the woman or her clothes.
A person familiar with the case, speaking to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity, confirmed the pregnancy late Thursday but had no information about the father.
Also Friday, a lab director said in court that after an agreement with Nifong, he violated his own procedures and withheld results showing none of the players' DNA was found on or in the woman's body.
Dr. Brian Meehan, lab director at DNA Security Inc., said he and Nifong agreed to include only DNA matches in the report on his testing results.
The report released in May omitted information about people the DNA tests excluded, including the fact that no genetic material from any member of the lacrosse team was among that from several males found in the accuser's underwear and body.
"We are extremely troubled by that," Cheshire said. The full testing results, showing the exclusions, were disclosed through a defense request in October. They did not become public until Wednesday.
Meehan said that he had been concerned about sensitive, private information becoming public and that the omission was not an attempt to withhold information.
"I was just trying to do the right thing," he said.
The defense attorneys also asked in Friday's hearing that the trial, which probably will not begin until spring, be moved outside of Durham County because publicity may have biased potential jurors.
The woman has said the three men raped her in a bathroom at a March 13 team party where she had been hired to perform as a stripper. Defense attorneys have said for months that no sex occurred at the party.
The defense claimed in court papers that the woman misidentified her alleged attackers in a photo lineup that was "an incoherent mass of contradiction and error."
They want the judge to bar prosecutors from using the photo lineup at their clients' trial and prevent the accuser from identifying the players from the witness stand.
The judge set a February 5 hearing on that request and the bid to move the trial.
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/15/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 2326
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 03:45 am: |
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Head of DNA lab says he and Nifong agreed not to report results
By Joseph Neff, Benjamin Niolet and Anne Blythe
Dec 15, 2006
The head of a private DNA laboratory said under oath today that he and District Attorney Mike Nifong agreed not to report DNA results favorable to Duke lacrosse players charged with rape.
Brian Meehan, director of DNA Security of Burlington, said his lab found DNA from unidentified men in the underwear, pubic hair and rectum of the woman who said she was gang-raped at a lacrosse party in March. Nurses at Duke Hospital collected the samples a few hours after the alleged assault. Meehan said the DNA did not come from Reade Seligmann, David Evans, or Collin Finnerty, who have been charged with rape and sexual assault in the case.
Meehan struggled to say why he didn’t include the favorable evidence in a report dated May 12, almost a month after Seligmann and Finnerty had been indicted. He cited concerns about the privacy of the lacrosse players, his discussions at several meetings with Nifong, and the fact that he didn’t know whose DNA it was.
Under questioning by Jim Cooney, a defense attorney for Seligmann, Meehan admitted that his report violated his laboratory’s standards by not reporting results of all tests.
Did Nifong and his investigators know the results of all the DNA tests? Cooney asked.
“I believe so,” Meehan said.
“Did they know the test results excluded Reade Seligmann?” Cooney asked.
“I believe so,” Meehan said.
Was the failure to report these results the intentional decision of you and the district attorney? Cooney asked.
“Yes,” Meehan replied.
At that answer, several people in the packed courtroom clapped. Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III warned the standing-room only crowd to be quiet or leave.
Meehan’s testimony differed from a statement Nifong made at the beginning of today’s hearing.
“The first I had heard of this particular situation was when I was served with this particular motion” on Wednesday, Nifong told the judge. After court, Nifong clarified his remarks to say that he knew about the DNA results.
"And we were trying to, just as Dr. Meehan said, trying to avoid dragging any names through the mud but at the same time his report made it clear that all the information was available if they wanted it and they have every word of it,” Nifong said.
Joseph B. Cheshire V, a lawyer for Evans, said he was troubled by today’s testimony.
“If any of the lacrosse players were excluded, they simply wouldn’t put it in the report,” he said. “It raises some troublesome questions about (Nifong), who has an obligation to disclose exculpatory evidence and turn it over to the defense.”
In a response to reports that the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case gave birth recently, UNC Health care issued a statement at about 1:30 p.m. saying that the woman is at UNC Hospitals for care related to her pregnancy but has not given birth. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 10:07 am: |
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This woman is an idiot. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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She is an idiot and probably--as they say in France--a skeezer a hoochiemama and a funky ho--
She still might have been raped, however.
With all this though she might as well drop it and go into seclusion.
If these beasts did it they will do it again because sex criminals can't stop. If they did it it shows they are dangerous and calculating since they figured on their victim not being believed. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 10:24 am: |
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I wonder why there was no DNA evidence at all, though? Did she have a boyfriend or husband? I'm just wondering who it was she had sex with that same night, especially after she lied and claimed she hadn't had sex recently.
Is she actually a whore as well as a stripper? I mean does she just take her clothes off or does she actually fuck for money? |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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Igbo:
Very often there is no DNA evidence in a rape. Either the rapist has not left enough DNA to make a match, what is left is for some reason contaminated with other substances and unusable, they did not ejaculate, they used a condom, a finger, some other body part or some foreign object like s tick.
She might have had sex with men before after or during the party, remember she picked these guys out, could have been some other guys.
Re whore v stripper: Very often either the customers or the dancer will offer further services for more money--is she a whore? Maybe? Some might call her a businesswoman.
She would probably deny she is a prostitute and in the strict understanding of the word, she is not.
It all makes no difference. She could have had sex with 99 men at that party and if she told the hundreth no and he went ahead he raped her.
However, few juries would convict Mr. 100, I'm sure. |
Igbogirl
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Post Number: 592
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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"It all makes no difference. She could have had sex with 99 men at that party and if she told the hundreth no and he went ahead he raped her.
However, few juries would convict Mr. 100, I'm sure."
So very true
Chris, you seem to have quite a bit of empathy for rape victims. A lot of men in this instance would be calling the woman a hoebag and hurling other insults. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 11:07 am: |
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<<It is all age and experience is all.
Like most men my age I started out with the same attitudes toward rape victims that they did--"They must have did something to deserve it, etc__
Then a few relatives and friends got raped. When you see what that does to them, even if they were not beaten up or killed, you can't help but take the woman's side. I would take the woman's side if the evidence showed she was laying out naked on a mattress drunk with her legs open with a sign next to her that said "Come git it".
That didn't necessarily mean you, is what I would say.
Then again there is a guy I came in contact with--serial rapist--nasty stalk 'em, grab em put a knife to their throat and drag em in the alley or the vacant house rapist--who had already done time for one rape, was captured again because he was recognized by a rape victim while he was walking a woman he had just raped home (after kidnapping, punching, holding knives to their throats and humiliating them in some alley he'd walk them home like it was some date)
He is doing 90 years in Supermax but you start imagining what this might mean to your female friends and relatives with this sort of guy on the street and there are too many--
That is it. You ask yourself, even if it so called date rape, you want that for your mother, daughter, sister, etc.
No no. This, child abuse, and other acts of violence (we have to learn that, too. It is not a SEX ACT--it is an act of VIOLENCE meant to humiliate and sully the victim) are the cause of much evil in the world. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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Chris, I am extremely impressed with your attitude. I wish more men were like you, I really do. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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You shouldn't think me a saint, though. I still have this weird fantasy that I have arranged for Cynique and Mzuri to appear on television to accept the Nobel Prize only to have me spring out from behind the curtains and bombard them with custard pies.
I'm working with it, though. One day at a time. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 11:41 am: |
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You're kind. Some peopel would want to batter them with rocks or hammers, not with custard pies |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Bravo, Chris. Bravo. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 12:11 pm: |
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Chris,
The woman is alleged to have been raped by THREE men, 2 DNA tests - one sanctioned by the prosecution, the other by the defense - provide NO evidence that ANY of the three men had coitus with her...BUT the tests do reveal evidence that she did have sex with SEVERAL OTHER men.
Yes. It's still theoretically possible the Duke students raped her. But on WHAT basis can/should they be tried and convicted of such? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 01:25 pm: |
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chrishayden, how about you accept a piece prize by screwin ickabooboo in her funky butt. You wouldn't have to worry about it being rape because it would be consensual. You 2 make a divine couple. Frankenstein meets wolfman. |
Misty
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If they are lieing then they are seriously messing it up for the black women who have actually been raped. There is already enough problems with people not believing us when we say we've been raped (even when telling the truth)...or when they have no evidence whatsoever to say that the accused is innocent. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 07:16 pm: |
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"The woman is alleged to have been raped by THREE men, 2 DNA tests - one sanctioned by the prosecution, the other by the defense - provide NO evidence that ANY of the three men had coitus with her..."
True. The whole thing was a lie and scam. There is absolutely no physical evidence to like those boys to raping her. Her inconsistent lies, back peddling, non-existent physical evidence and time lines have made this entire rape accusation a tragic joke.
"BUT the tests do reveal evidence that she did have sex with SEVERAL OTHER men."
Ya got that right. She had sex with numerous other men before and after the alleged fact. There was enough semen DNA on that girl to link an entire foot ball squad -albeit the Duke lacrosse players. Hardly a scenario for a brutalized rape victim.
"Yes. It's still theoretically possible the Duke students raped her. But on WHAT basis can/should they be tried and convicted of such?"
They can't and they shouldn't be. The DA in this case should be criminally prosecuted himself for misconduct and with holding critical information from the defense. He reminds me of Tawanda Brawley and Al Sharpton. It's pathetic.
"If they are lieing then they are seriously messing it up for the black women who have actually been raped."
This is very true. She and the DA have made it difficult for all women who have legitimate rape cases. I'm hoping Michael Nifong and that nasty skanky ass lying girl are prosecuted and sued for their lies.
"There is already enough problems with people not believing us when we say we've been raped (even when telling the truth)...or when they have no evidence whatsoever to say that the accused is innocent."
Good point. I agree 100%.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 09:16 am: |
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Speaking of Al Sharpton, I don't recall seeing him (and his mentor Jesse Jackson) ingratiating himself into the center of this Duke rape scam. I guess the Tawanda Brawley fiasco learned him. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 04:55 pm: |
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Um...I guess I should clarify that I was applauding Chris's 12/16 11:06 post. NOT his strange fantasy about boardmembers and pies. LOL
On a more serious note, rape victims are not disbelieved because of some women's misrepresentations. Historically, the notion that women cannot be nonconsensual or that consent does not matter (especially with regard to Black women in America) likely predated any specific instances of false allegations. I think the rather limited (but, curiously, high profile) instances of false allegations are used more as an excuse for us when we do not want to address this issue. |
Misty
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 05:21 pm: |
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I agree 100% Yvettep.
I was saying these women are messing it up for us even more than its ALREADY messed up because people already either have problems believing us or dont WANT to believe us in cases of rape.. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 05:29 pm: |
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Yvettep: "I think the rather limited (but, curiously, high profile) instances of false allegations are used more as an excuse for us when we do not want to address this issue."
What would you be thinking about this case if were clear the woman had been rape YET it had received NO press attention? |
Yvettep
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Understand, Misty. |
Lola_ogunnaike
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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As someone who was raped once, I can tell you that it is extremely hard to bring charges. Firstly, the police often don't take you seriously. Secondly, your sex life gets scrutinized and yes it does make a difference to the police if you were wearing a short skirt or have ever had a one night stand. Thirdly, people tend to take rape less seriously if you weren't held at knifepoint.
The night I was raped, I was wearing a short skirt and I was flirting with different guys and batting my eyelashes a lot. In some people's minds, that means I was asking to get raped. I was 16 and the rapist was a white male aged around 30. He took my virginity and my self-respect and my trust in men and my innocence. I will never again be the same and I still have nightmares about it. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 12:33 am: |
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hey, if a black whore like this alleged "rape victim", wants "justice", then she should have though about that BEFORE taking her clothes in front of a bunch of drunken white BOYS (never men).
this black slut should only be IGNORED. SHE IS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN.
LET JUSTICE BE SERVED.
this black whore would have probably screwed a dog, if the price was right.
i don't believe a WORD she says. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 01:50 am: |
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Actually Lil_ze, you're onto something. They did an amniocentesis and plunged a long needle through this whore's belly and into the fetus. Turns out her unborn child is actually half canine. They think that eventually it will walk on two legs but its going to be covered in fur and will haev paws rather than hands and feet. They think she was actually fucked by a German Shepherd dog on her way home that fateful night. This is going to be the world's first real Dog-Child. |
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