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Kola_boof
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 08:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A lot of posts have ABM and Nolan Fane and NTFS and Troy Johnson and GRIND lamenting the growing hatred that some black women have for black men.

I often find myself BAFFLED at how these intelligent men could even be so out of touch.


I want to re-post something that NTFS posted.


And I want to ask ABM, Nolan, Troy, NTFS and all the black men here-----

WHY EXACTLY is the following not equivalent to lynching and in their minds. WHY EXACTLY is the following not worthy of its own revolution??

And how can they possibly live amongst black women and not SEE that this is happening and that it's more unnatural than any amount of FAGGOTRY could ever be?


NTFS:


I talked to a friend of mine who lives in Ohio earlier today and she told me her nephew who is 21 (college junior with a electrical engineering major), dates only Puerto Rican and white girls exclusively. She asked him why he did not consider dating black women and he told her black women were too loud, obnoxious, hostile and had too many babies. Then he said he was not attracted to black women because they were too ghetto, fat, wore wigs and weaves and he liked long soft hair, not short nappy hair. She then told me that she believed this preferences were having an affect on his younger brother who is 17 and heading to college also. She said the younger brother is dating a tall gorgeous blond who is a freshman at the local university. She also told me he has a nasty habit of laughing at black women and calling them chicken heads and not heads. When she questioned him about the name calling, she said he just shrugs his shoulders and laughs about it. He once told her he wasn’t attracted to egg plants (dark complexioned black women)! Wow! Hard core!

Anyway, both are very bright students and the younger one has his eyes set on Stanford University with a pre-med major (he has the grades and is excellent math student). They are very promising young black men but unfortunately, neither have any interest in black women. What can you do about that? Nothing!

I suggest black women who are dark complexioned with nappy hair get an education, become financially independent and seek relationships with men who will treat them well and offer them the quality of relationships they desire. If you wallow in the self defeating politics of skin color and race, you may very well pass up a man who truly loves you and offers you the respect you deserve and need. Don’t concern your self with the narrow preferences of a few black men. Life is too damn short to cheat yourself out of a possible meaningful relationship with a non-black man. Not to mention spending your life embittered and angry about the preferences of black men you have no influence nor control over. That’s what I think………





Why shouldn't black women feel HATE for these kind of men...of whom there are MORE OF THEM...than Black men who LOVE black women in this country.

And since men who LOVE black women will never
CONFRONT and DISASSOCIATE with these men or
this behavior---why shouldn't you be hated
as a PROTECTOR of it????

And how do BLACK MEN with "nappy hair" fail to acknowledge that Africans are not supposed to have European hair???

Though all the men here have
watched BET, MTV, the Black Comedy
Show, Black CINEMA

---how is this
EVIL

ALWAYS glossed over?












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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 08:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In other words, NTFS was referring to black women like yourself--nasty, loud, crude, obnoxious, fat, ghetto, etc. That's why it hits home--it's just like looking in the mirror. Only in your case, most of yours are cracked.
boogabooga
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Mzuri
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 09:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't you see Kola Spoof? The Black man is tired of whiney, naggy, questioning, complaining, needy, clingy, begging, co-dependent NIGGERSTOCK like you.

The Black man is just like any other man. He wants a supportive helpmate. He wants peace of mind. He wants to be made to feel like a king - not a child. He wants to come home to a hot meal on the table and friendly, intelligent conversation. He wants a woman that will help him get ahead, not stay behind the eightball.

We (the Black community) are now into the second, third and possibly even fourth generation of out-of-wedlock single mother homes. Most people have never even witnessed a loving relationship between a Black man and a Black woman and their children. They have no positive role models to serve as an example of a happy structured family life. They have to watch THE COSBYs.

And unfortunately, an antagonistic presence such as yourself only perpetuates this whole cycle. No marriage, children out of wedlock, babydaddy laid up with a white woman, and your grandchildren will probably be born out of wedlock too. Meanwhile the Black woman continues to bemoan the current state of things and wonder what the matter is.
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 09:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Don't you see Kola Spoof? The Black man is tired of whiney, naggy, questioning, complaining, needy, clingy, begging,..........

........and a Black woman and their children. They have no positive role models to serve as an example of a happy structured family life. They have to watch THE COSBYs.

And unfortunately, an antagonistic presence such as yourself only perpetuates.........Black woman continues to bemoan the current state of things and wonder what the matter is."


Wow! Wheeeeeew…..! Uhhhhhhhh…..that was the most blistering commentary I’ve read to date about black women. Not much I can add to that. Well………there ya have it. I’m done……


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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 09:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ouch!
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Racialrealist
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I really do appreciate there are wonderful black men out there and I hope any such man reading this doesn’t take what I am going to say the wrong way, but reading ugly comments about black women makes me angry so I feel I have a right to “fight back” as it were. For any black man reading this post who feels he’s superior to black women, let me put some things into perspective.

First, I know it’s stating the obvious but if a black man has disdain for black womens’ skin and hair, then obviously he has disdain for his OWN SKIN AND HAIR…white folk have not given black men honorary white status. Lol… and marrying a white woman/ woman who is lighter than you does not erase black status, if anything your black status is emphasized by marrying white/ light.

Second, black men are not the only ones who can reject - there are some black women who only date white men who wouldn’t look twice at a black man. My sister is just one example of an attractive black woman who dates exclusively white (I have known several other attractive black women who date exclusively white). I’m not saying that’s good - I don’t agree with it - I’m just making the point that black men have not got a monopoly on rejection.

Third, perhaps this "black men being seen as more desirable than black women idea" is getting blown out of proportion. I mean for all the rappers, athletes and CEOs who are sought after by non-black women there could be just as many black women actresses, singers and models who are sought after by other races...What about Diana Ross, Diahann Caroll, Donna Summer, Naomi Campbell, Iman, Halle Berry, Kerry Washington, Tina Turner, Grace Jones? These are just a sample of the black female celebrities who are married to/ have been married to/ have/ have had non-black partners.

To sum up, if black women are denigrated, in my opinion black men are equally denigrated. You cannot hate/ have disdain for half a race lol.

http://racialrealist.wordpress.com/
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yikes !
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Mzuri
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

RR - Are you saying that there are just as many Black female actresses/models/executives as there are Black male rappers/musicians/athletes/CEOs? Because I would beg to differ.

And you CAN hate half a race. Just read the title of this thread. If Black women hate Black men, does that mean that they also hate themselves??? I doubt it.
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola_boof - to answer your question directly, I think that fair-minded black men would and do acknowledge the unique difficulties black women face in terms of gendered racism. If you are being criticized for "hating black men" for merely drawing attention to gendered racism, well that's because gendered racism is a taboo issue - a lot of men practice it - so naturally some black men are going to be defensive and the best defence is to attack you for bashing black men.
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:29 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Kola Boof's MAN


put her and
HIS children
on a $2 million ranch estate
(well...it's worth 5M now)

SEE VIDEO FOOTAGE of me and the
boys on our ranch is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxDWowVydIU

(we like to back our shit up)



Kola Boof's MAN is the best father on
earth, he asked Kola Boof to marry him
THREE TIMES and though she turned him down
for career reasons, for other reasons
--but he stuck with her for 10 wonderful
years.

Kola Boof and her MAN remain extremely
close "FRIENDS"---he comes to live on this
ranch every weekend to raise his sons.

We both are foreigners and hold the
same EXACT views on race and society,
though because of the STATISTICS in
America---it's KOLA who may have to
date White, NOT TOM-TROJAN, who's
already in a relationship with his
deep chocolate colored JAMAICAN secretary.

He likes 'em chocolate--which is why I
would be with him in the first place.

There is nothing "SORRY" or "LOSER-ish"
about Kola's MAN though you've branded
him that in two stupid posts recently.

And since Thomas and CYNIQUE were actually
quite close and friendly loooooonnnnng before
I ever came to this board, Mzuri---you can
ask her about the content of my MAN's character.

You're a Vomit-wretching pillow biter who
never had a man, V.D. bitch.





And while it's OK, Mzuri for you to attack
Kola



....this will be the week that Troy Johnson
gets you straight about talking bullshit LIES
about Thomas and including him and my innocent
children in your jealous RANTS.




Now go LAUGH all you want
Dog-Ass bitch




MZURI TYLER MOORE
at Schakspir's house, 2005









But Kola's back, and your role
on this board is SOOOON....to be
diminished.

And that's a promise CUNT.


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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

RR - Are you saying that there are just as many Black female actresses/models/executives as there are Black male rappers/musicians/athletes/CEOs? Because I would beg to differ.

I'm not saying it's written in stone that black female celebrities are as highly sought after as black male celebrities - I was saying that may be the case - I doubt the black female celebrities in question had difficulty finding non-black men to date/ marry.

And you CAN hate half a race. Just read the title of this thread. If Black women hate Black men, does that mean that they also hate themselves??? I doubt it.

A thread title does not equal reality - the reality is you cannot hate all the females of your race or all the males of your race without hating yourself. And yes if a black female hated black men for no other reason than his skin and hair, then yes, she would also hate hate herself.
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Kola_boof
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola_boof - to answer your question directly, I think that fair-minded black men would and do acknowledge the unique difficulties black women face in terms of gendered racism. If you are being criticized for "hating black men" for merely drawing attention to gendered racism, well that's because gendered racism is a taboo issue - a lot of men practice it - so naturally some black men are going to be defensive and the best defence is to attack you for bashing black men.

Fuck this shit, RacialRealist!

#1--you are NOT a Black man.
#2--I've already written your answer
in the books I write, I'm well aware of
WHY black men react the way they do.

But that's not good enough anymore.

If BLACK WOMEN can lead a revolution to free black men and children from untold centuries of history in this country as they most certainly
have, as it was Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth and BLACK WOMEN who instigated most of the
changes in this country for Black people....

---then when will her honor be defended
by her own sons????

How does one watch its own mother be debased
and publicly demonized and LITERALLY destroyed
just because one wishes he had "good hair"?

How does a man ABIDE a "mentality" that will
automatically cast his own daughter to be
used for sex, judged solely on her hair and
complexion and debased and dehumanized just
because he was her father?

I've seen your web site, I think it's wonderful
and I greatly appreciate your work surrounding this issue.

But your comments don't DO SHIT to answer my goddamned question and I want those BLACK MEN---the ones who claim to love and appreciate black women

...to do some goddamned ACCOUNTING for me!

I have fought for Black men to exist my whole
goddamned life, and there isn't shit you can
tell me---no fucking excuse on earth as to why
I have to accept their COMPLACENCY in the public
murder of their own goddamned mother.

I don't want excuses---I want
CHANGE
.





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Kola_boof
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And I want BLACK MEN to explain to
me

...how the WHITE MAN is the fucking
DEVIL and SATAN of this earth

when it's BLACK MEN who could kill
their own mother and walk away with
narry a blink?

Who is the REAL FUCKING SATAN?

That's what I want to know.

How does a BLACK MAN read the things
written in my first post and not become
nauseated with OUTRAGE???



TELL ME THE FUCK HOW!??


Any motherfucker that can't stand the
sight of his goddamned MOTHER....needs
to have his thoat slit from BIRTH!










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Kola_boof
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How does a BLACK MAN read the things
written in my first post and not become
nauseated with OUTRAGE???





TELL ME THE FUCK HOW!??





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Mzuri
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola Spoof - You just don't seem to get the point. It matters not even if your "boyfriend" put you and the children in a $100 BILLION home. He DID NOT MARRY YOU. AND HE NO LONGER RESIDES WITH YOU - HE LIVES WITH A WHITE WOMAN. YOU ARE DATING OTHER MEN AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE AWARE OF IT. According to you.

You have not set the proper example of a stable home between a Black man and a Black woman for your Black children. But that's your business. I'm simply telling you that you - yourself - are the cause of the problem that you are complaining of.

And Kola - You don't need to threaten me with that lame little bullshit disciplinary action because I've included Thomas and or your children in my posts. You post about them incessantly and that leaves them open for inclusion in the discussions on this forum. They are fair game.

If you don't want people to know about your private life, then you need to shut the fuck up about it. Nobody here asked you what your man's name is because no one gives a care. No one is interested in your private pix, you post those of your own volition. And no one cares if you're dating Jamal, Jeffrey, Johnny, Jimmy or Joe!

I value my privacy and therefore I don't mention the names of my people, post their pix, etc. etc. You don't even have enough respect for your own man not to post his pix on a public forum. Whose fault is that???

Come to think of it, you don't even respect your own self.

You need to get over yourself, grow the FUCK up, and stop getting so emotional everytime we attempt to have a GROWN FOLKS CONVERSATION!!!
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And Kola - You don't need to threaten me with that lame little bullshit disciplinary action because I've included Thomas and or your children in my posts. You post about them incessantly and that leaves them open for inclusion in the discussions on this forum. They are fair game.

Oh really? Well, we'll see about that shortly bitch.

And no my children are not FAIR GAME. They're not any fucking game at all.

And no that's YOUR MAN who lives with a White Woman.....everybody here knows damned well that THOMAS would never accept such. Just ask your good friend Cynique.

And by the way---as Thomas pointed out when he read that shit---it's SLANDER.

You keep repeating it as though it's fact and you posted HIS photograph without his permission. Unlike Cynique---we aim to make something out of it.

And he'll be talking to Troy himself.






I'm the BITCH you pretend to be, Mzuri.

I don't make threats.

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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, get your shit ready.


KOLA'S BACK







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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, Mzuri, Kola tends to think her personal problems are those of African people the world over. That ain't true. Kola's problems are Kola's problems. Anybody looking at her photos knows why her old man walked. I certainly would. I wouldn't care how great her blowjobs reputedly are. It's so funny: Kola sermonizes like some half-mad Jehovah in drag, and in the same breath, discredits herself with her own impotent rage. What a fool.

kokoo

Oh, look, it's Kola getting down with her new lady friend. How sweet do they look together.
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KB: Who is the REAL FUCKING SATAN?

Sch(it): Don't you have fucking mirrors in your house, crusty-butt? Are you fucking BLIND? Oi gevalt!!
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You can talk about KOLA all you want.

But you don't talk about Kola's family,
who are INNOCENT and did nothing to
any of you.

Thomas is a GOOD MAN. He takes care
of his sons, his responsibilities and
he has never ONCE disrespected me.

Anything I wanted--he gave it to me.

We did 10 years of "marriage". We
split up, that's how it goes.

And my sons are good little black boys.

Not FAGGOTS and not a "game".

It's not my fault Mzuri lives at
the bottom of a Filet-O-Fish box.



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Another funny thing. If Kola has such a hell of a life on her 2 million dollar ranch, writing for Days Of Our Lives, and getting on TV and getting publicized for this book of hers, why does she STILL feel the need to spill her guts on this board?

Something does not smell right at all....
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KB: It's not my fault Mzuri lives at
the bottom of a Filet-O-Fish box.

Sch(it): Actually, she was just paying you a visit--she's the landlady, you're the tenant!!
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Oh please asshole. I'm supposedly SO SHALLOW that I'd stop fellowshipping with people I've known half a decade.

And FYI there are people richer than I am on this board. And way more famous.

You really are a NEWBIE.

And dream on Schakspir, you're so SQUARE. Ugh!

Do you ever do anything but pick on women or stay up in their bizness???








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You know Kola Boof I have to laugh. Not with you but AT you. Youre so quick to paint Mzuri the evil villain around here but look at the facts. She's basically your twin sister and you can't stand it. Everything you've always done to everybody, Mzuri gives your high and mighty ass a taste of your own medicine. I feel like I'm watching a continuing soap opera and I swear to god if you're not Erica Kane. The black Erica Kane. Youre an attention whore. You're a liar. Virtually everything is a lie. Anyone who disagrees with you is practically put on fire. Abm is a married man yet you've been having a cyber affair with him for years and I believe you two have screwed in person if you ask me that time you went to Chicago for your little tour. You rant one minute and play the innocent victim the next. You just need to quit your shit because it's not impressing anybody but you and Tonya-the-sidekick zombie.



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Oh please, Enchanted. You're really Kola Boof anyway, so



whatever.




*boy that came in handy, thanks Mzuri and Cynique



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I've seen your web site, I think it's wonderful and I greatly appreciate your work surrounding this issue.

Thanks Kola - comment sometime if you feel like it. Will have to get round to buying one of your books one of these days.
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Clever ploy, and a classic example of the "red herring" ruse used by people who seek to insult the intelligence of others. zzzzzzzzzz
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SHUT







THE







FUCK







UP







YOU







STUPID ASS







FUCKTARDED







CUMSUCKING







STANK ASS







DICK BRAINED







CLUSTERFUCKED







DOGBREATH







CREE-HOLE MULATTO







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IN OTHER WORDS, EAT SHIT AND DIE KUNT!!!
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Wow! Now that was different!
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OH YEAH KUNT,


I FORGOT


SUE ME BITCH!!!


AIN'T NO GOT DAMN


BODY SCARED OF


YOU LIMPDICK


NIGGERSTOCK


SLUT!!!


AND BRING


YOUR FAGGOT


ASS MAN


WITH YOU!!!
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L M F A O!!!!


What's wrong Mzuri Tyler Moore?

LOSING CONTROL?

Can't control your temper?

Anger Management Issues

KOLA GETTING TO YOU?



LMFAO!!!!!




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Kola sweetheart you're too good for this shit. Don't you know that by now?!? I mean really, what do you get out of wasting your time with these nutty bitches?????? Seriously what?
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Tonya....you're so right.

I'm going to step back, ignore
Mzuri as I promised myself I would

...and just enjoy all the good
things that are starting to come my
way. GOD IS GOOD.




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Racialrealist,

Would you agree White-dating/mating celebrity sistas are LESS likely to catch flack from Black foks than are their male counterparts?

And do you consider the (now perfunctory) "shortage of good Black men" argument is valid justification for this apparent discrepancy?


Kola,

As a Black man who lives on the OTHER side of many of the arguments you make, it is difficult for me to rationalize exclusively condemning Black men. Although I understand and agree with very MUCH of what you describe, I think that Black women – mothers, sisters, kin, wives and friends – are largely RESPONSIBLE for the suffering you describe. I think Black women largely enable and replicate elements of White Supremacy (e.g., hair straightening and extensions) that manifest in the troubles they have with Black men.

Moreover. I generally think and believe you can NOT persuade people via condemnation. I think you do such by INSPIRING them.

But you don’t really seek to persuade Black men. As a whole, you consider us a lost cause. So then, what can and should a middle age African American man think and feel about THAT?

Honestly. Were I to attempt to defend the honor of Black women (and that presume we could all AGREE upon what such should entail), I feel my greatest nemesis would be...Black WOMEN.
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Kola,

Btw: Ntfs and I have debated why some Black men have preferences for Whiter/lighter features. I agree with you that such is mostly the product of White Supremacy while he apparently think this is simply the result of some inate "preference".

Yes. I think he's wrong. But, hey, there ain't really anything I can or would attempt to do change his mind. Nor can and should he attempt to change mine.
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I never get mad KolaKunt.



What your $2 KOREAN WIG WEARING BRAIN fails to realize is that you are the butt of a long running JOKE!!!



So while you're sitting there on your SLUTTY STANK FISH TACO TWAT hyperventilating and getting "sick" about what is posted here - people like me and Cynique are laughing the whole entire time that we post.



Take my advice and bring your







crusty black ass



down to the river



and beg the



river gods



to give you



wisdom.







Cause



you're



one



STOOOOOPID



CLUELESS



DIMWITTED



DICKBRAINED



BIMBO



MOTHER-FUCKA!!!



KolaKunt, don't go BACK on your WORD with that TIRED BULLSHIT EXCUSE about how you're going to ignore me now. I want your WEAK CHICKEN SHIT LILY-LIVERED YELLOWBELLIED ASS to follow thru on ALL those LAME CLUSTERFUCKED threats you made against me about suing me for LYING against your family.







I'LL BE WAITING!!!







CLOWNIE



ASS



WYNCH!!!






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Her mouth still salivating from the thrill she got from kissing kola's feet, her eyes aglow with adoration, tonya says:
"Kola sweetheart you're too good for this shit. Don't you know that by now?!? I mean really, what do you get out of wasting your time with these nutty bitches?????? Seriously what?"

As one bitch to another Cynique replies to tonya:
tonya - (I'll dispense with calling you "sweetheart" because unlike you, I'm not seeking anybody's favor) I'll start by saying that you are just jealous of Mzuri because she's better at ridiculing people than you are. You try to reach her level by ranting about how sorry black men are, but you fall short. And instead of being a good ridiculer like Mzuri, you just end up being a disgruntled loser. As for kola, she undoubtedly wastes her time arguing with Mzuri because she has to desperately try and give people reasons for not agreeing with Mzuri.
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Kola: GOD IS GOOD.

Schakspir: Not always. He created you, didn't he?
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Cynique, honestly, I wasn't thinking about you when I made that post but if you see yourself a part of that clique, so be it.
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TOXICTONYATWAT - SHADDUP!!! ClitSucking Flunkie Loser.
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Of course, I'm part of that clique, Tonya. As long as Kola continues to embraces her boring, self-promoting, less-than-truthful diva persona, I will continue to throw verbal tomatoes at her.
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ABM:

Kola,

As a Black man who lives on the OTHER side of many of the arguments you make, it is difficult for me to rationalize exclusively condemning Black men.


KOLA:


When in the fuck have I ever asked you
or anyone to EXLUSIVELY CONDEMN Black men
for anything?

Has my work failed to castigate
White MALE supremacy or White Bitches
or to name
"weak" self-hating black women?
The people on this board are BLACK
--and this is the place for discussion
about OUR contributions to our downfall,
all of which have been essayed by me
roundly.



ABM:

Although I understand and agree with very MUCH of what you describe, I think that Black women – mothers, sisters, kin, wives and friends – are largely RESPONSIBLE for the suffering you describe.

There is a TANGIBLE, palpable "intra-racial
prejudice" against Black women in this country
--this is not a set of "attitude maljustments" in our community, but a SOCIALLY institutionalized remnant of White Supremacy and Black Self-hatred which is AIMED AT and CARRIED OUT AGAINST the people lowest on the food chain---Black women---BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK. No other fucking reason, or White Women wouldn't be accepted having the same faults and traits that black women have.

Black women died in the streets of this nation
for narry black men being called "boy" and "nigger"---black women accepted sexual exploitation and rape in lieu of their sons and husbands not being lynched or jailed----black women rose up in screaming MASSES for black men not being allowed to enter a building through the front door---and now you say it's perfectly alright for Black women to be treated this way BY BLACK MEN, and that the women's own self-hatred exempts you from personal responsibility or even caring???

SHE---and SHE ALONE---was the woman who raised you up, but you have no obligation to help raise her up?

How in the hell can a black woman raise herself up when EVERY GODDAMNED IMAGE around her created by Black men is worshipping of every other woman and informs her DAILY of her inferiority???

What INSTRUMENT exists in this society for the lowest on the food chain to just raise herself up ALL BY HERSELF?

How many Black homes, ABM, have a father of ANY KIND in it--one of the VERY FEW who can claim he's on the "OTHER SIDE" of this issue?

You think because you're there to love and nurture YOUR DAUGHTERS---then the other millions of fatherless black girls don't matter???

And how does a little black girl learn to accept and love herself if there is no father, no uncle, no man she can TRUST to
affirm
her?

If you are a BLACK MAN who gives a fuck about the birth of your own kind, ABM---then there is no other side!!

And if BLACK MEN are the ones saying PUBLICLY that our race is inferior and that we need not exist---then why is he to be protected for the same belief White men are villified for?


I think Black women largely enable and replicate elements of White Supremacy (e.g., hair straightening and extensions) that manifest in the troubles they have with Black men.

Of course they do----MEN LIKE YOURSELF rarely PUBLICLY castigate those majority of Black men who INSIST...INSIST that we wear fake hair and look as white as possible---evidenced by every creation of media imagery created by BLACK MEN.

Go back to 1920, 1930...BLACK MEN were given the same evil destructive message to the Black Woman----"You are not beautiful, you are too black, you are ugly." And that was the message of BLACK POPULAR MUSIC BACK THEN---those sentiments were published in THE CHICAGO DEFENDER (weeeekly) BY BLACK MEN.

How in the fuck is a sister supposed to have the courage to stand up and be a BLACK WOMAN when MEN LIKE YOURSELF don't defend them against THE OTHER BLACK MEN when they try to do so? What can we do when MEN LIKE YOURSELF don't confront the black men who LAUGH and SCORN us when they try to do so????

This post began---ABM---with black men MAKING RACIST COMMENTS about black women for "being black human beings" and me wanting to know why BLACK MEN LIKE YOURSELF are never so vocal on the OTHER SIDE?

Moreover. I generally think and believe you can NOT persuade people via condemnation. I think you do such by INSPIRING them.

Yeah. Lord knows we've seen more than 0 black men trying to INSPIRE a black boy to love, respect and acknowledge the humanity of a black female---the mother of his race. There's a long history of that alright.

ABM:

But you don’t really seek to persuade Black men. As a whole, you consider us a lost cause. So then, what can and should a middle age African American man think and feel about THAT?

THIS FUCKING COMMENT--son of a bitch---is the end our everything.

Because how could you possibly have read a goddamned thing I've been saying all these years and think that I considered black men a LOST CAUSE?

You think that "I"---as a human being---don't have the right to call for the KILLING of the ones who wish to kill my children just as sure as any White Racist Man would want to kill my children??

You think I owe these Black motherfuckers who SEE my children as "nappyheaded monkeys" deserve more consideration from me the KLAN?????

And just how fucking LOYAL should a human being be to someone who doesn't even protect and defend them??? Narry acknowledge them!

This has NOTHING to do with Black men being a LOST CAUSE----it has everything to do with Black men like yourself looking the other way as black women are literally run down and PULVERIZED by our worst enemy on this continent---the self hating black man.


And let me tell you one thing, ABM....

I have never cried so hard or been so devastated to read anything...as I was to read this LOAD OF EXCUSES AND BULLSHIT that you penned this morning.

You take the whole issue of our pain and suffering FOR GRANTED----you minimize what is EPIC to our experience, OUR REALITY....all because you're in a lofty position where you don't have to care. You FORGET everything....EVERY GODDAMNED THING...that black women before you----generations of BLACK WOMEN in this country---have endured, overcome and suffered through...so that you can now sit there and denounce the most unloved, unprotected creature on earth...of not loving you enough.

MOTHERFUCKER---FUCK YOU!!!!!!

If I thought Black men were a "LOST CAUSE"---I wouldn't put myself up for the WHOLE GODDAMNED WORLD to hate and spit on!!!!

I'd write sweet romance novels and just collect millions each year and live on a yacht with Juan Carlos and turn my back on my people----if I thought "Black men" were a LOST CAUSE.

It's a fucking lot easier to just be a POP fiction novelist raking in millions than it is to be KOLA BOOF and STAND for something you know!!!

You think I risk being killed-----risk being HATED and BEATEN by BLACK AMERICAN PEOPLE who don't even see me as their own all because I consider Black men a LOST CAUSE?????

My life is NOT ABOUT ME in case you haven't noticed the
Fine Print
.



Honestly. Were I to attempt to defend the honor of Black women (and that presume we could all AGREE upon what such should entail), I feel my greatest nemesis would be...Black WOMEN.

And the same reason that I came back to this board (YOU)

...is the same reason that I just have to go away.

I am so devastated and hurt that I can't even see straight.

THIS IS ALL YOU CAN FUCKING SAY ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF BLACK WOMEN---THE MOTHERS OF OUR RACE?????

It's their fault and they're on their own?

What if WE had said that, so many times?

But you know, ABM---you are the one single person here who could totally obliterate me.

As a Black woman--the lowest on the food chain, all I can say to you in all your REMOVED arrogance is that I WANT MY BLACK BABIES.

I WANT MY BLACK BABIES....

...and if you are a BLACK MAN, then you are responsible for protecting me from ANY PREDATOR----ANY PREDATOR---that tries to keep them from being born.

Even if that's another black man.

I don't give a fuck what I did---YOU DO NOT let people destroy us!!!!

I WANT MY BLACK BABIES!!!

And I just have to go away, ABM. I can't accept this response from you, and you just take all my hope away.

I won't be back to read your response, because I literally can't take it.























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Racialrealist,

Would you agree White-dating/mating celebrity sistas are LESS likely to catch flack from Black foks than are their male counterparts?


Yes they are less likely to catch flak from black folks – and rightly so. In my opinion they shouldn’t be catching flak from black folk AT ALL since the interracial dating/ marriage issue is very gender-specific. As I argue on my blog, the situation pertaining to black women and non black men is COMPLETELY different from the situation relating to black men and non black women… it could be argued that black women and non black men pairings are often a “reaction” / practical response to black men seeking out non-black women. In my view you can’t have an honest discussion on this topic without first acknowledging that the interracial relationship issue IS very gender specific certainly in white dominated countries such as the US and UK.

And do you consider the (now perfunctory) "shortage of good Black men" argument is valid justification for this apparent discrepancy?

As outlined above, absolutely.

I have discussed this issue with other bloggers at length:

http://racialrealist.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/black-womenwhite-men-iii-3/

http://racialrealist.wordpress.com/2006/07/15/black-women-need-love-too-2/

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That pic that Schakspir posted IS D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kola,

Btw: Ntfs and I have debated why some Black men have preferences for Whiter/lighter features. I agree with you that such is mostly the product of White Supremacy while he apparently think this is simply the result of some inate "preference".

Yes. I think he's wrong. But, hey, there ain't really anything I can or would attempt to do change his mind. Nor can and should he attempt to change mine.


My two cents - all I can say is if one is claiming that black racial preference for Caucasian features is the result of an inate preference, then it follows that you also believe that Caucasian features are inately superior. If as a black person one is so in awe of another racial groups features that you prefer them to that of your own group, you are effectively saying your group and by extension you are inferior... how can you be black YOURSELF and switch off being attracted to black members of the opposite sex - I don't envy people in this position because they must be extremely conflicted.
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This post began---ABM---with black men MAKING RACIST COMMENTS about black women for "being black human beings" and me wanting to know why BLACK MEN LIKE YOURSELF are never so vocal on the OTHER SIDE?

I think these two quotes are very relevant to this issue:

(i) "In order for evil to persist, good people must do NOTHING".

(ii) “The Black man is going around saying he wants respect; well, the Black man will never get anybody’s respect until he first learns to respect his own women….The Black man needs to start today to shelter and protect and respect his Black women!” -Malcolm X, from Autobiography of Malcolm X

I think Malcolm X's comments are disturbingly relevant to black male-female relationships today (some 40 years after his death!) I think he would be heartbroken if he knew what was going on today.

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KB: THIS FUCKING COMMENT--son of a bitch---is the end our everything.

Because how could you possibly have read a goddamned thing I've been saying all these years and think that I considered black men a LOST CAUSE?

You think that "I"---as a human being---don't have the right to call for the KILLING of the ones who wish to kill my children just as sure as any White Racist Man would want to kill my children??

You think I owe these Black motherfuckers who SEE my children as "nappyheaded monkeys" deserve more consideration from me the KLAN?????

And just how fucking LOYAL should a human being be to someone who doesn't even protect and defend them??? Narry acknowledge them!

This has NOTHING to do with Black men being a LOST CAUSE----it has everything to do with Black men like yourself looking the other way as black women are literally run down and PULVERIZED by our worst enemy on this continent---the self hating black man.

Schakspir: Ladies and gentlemen, Madame Crusy-Cooze has left the building!!
dnhdhdthfh
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"And the same reason that I came back to this board (YOU)

...is the same reason that I just have to go away.

I am so devastated and hurt that I can't even see straight."

GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!
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The people on this board are BLACK
--and this is the place for discussion
about OUR contributions to our downfall,
all of which have been essayed by me
roundly.


Obviously I'm new to this board so I don't know anything about the commenters, however, from some of the remarks that I've seen, I feel that some people may be pretending to be black when they are in fact white supremacists. I find it difficult to believe that even white-oriented black men could make such foul comments about black women. So I don't think we should be assessing black men as a group in relation to the commenters on this board (I'm not talking about all the commenters).
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DAMN ABM. WHAT THE FUCK YOU DO THAT SHIT FOR, MAN!!!!
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LETTING THE WHITE SUPREMACIST GET INTO YOU GUYS HEADS AGAIN??? SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
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RR: Obviously I'm new to this board so I don't know anything about the commenters, however, from some of the remarks that I've seen, I feel that some people may be pretending to be black when they are in fact white supremacists. I find it difficult to believe that even white-oriented black men could make such foul comments about black women. So I don't think we should be assessing black men as a group in relation to the commenters on this board (I'm not talking about all the commenters).

Sch: Oh, and the women aren't. Igbogirl wasn't a white supremacist....and fucking BB123 or Tonya aren't. Yeah, sure, dude.
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ABM,

THIS MEANS WE WON'T BE HEARING ANYMORE SERMONS LIKE THIS HERE!!!





ABM:

Kola,

As a Black man who lives on the OTHER side of many of the arguments you make, it is difficult for me to rationalize exclusively condemning Black men.

KOLA:


When in the fuck have I ever asked you
or anyone to EXLUSIVELY CONDEMN Black men
for anything?

Has my work failed to castigate
White MALE supremacy or White Bitches
or to name
"weak" self-hating black women?
The people on this board are BLACK
--and this is the place for discussion
about OUR contributions to our downfall,
all of which have been essayed by me
roundly.


ABM:

Although I understand and agree with very MUCH of what you describe, I think that Black women – mothers, sisters, kin, wives and friends – are largely RESPONSIBLE for the suffering you describe.

There is a TANGIBLE, palpable "intra-racial
prejudice" against Black women in this country
--this is not a set of "attitude maljustments" in our community, but a SOCIALLY institutionalized remnant of White Supremacy and Black Self-hatred which is AIMED AT and CARRIED OUT AGAINST the people lowest on the food chain---Black women---BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK. No other fucking reason, or White Women wouldn't be accepted having the same faults and traits that black women have.

Black women died in the streets of this nation
for narry black men being called "boy" and "nigger"---black women accepted sexual exploitation and rape in lieu of their sons and husbands not being lynched or jailed----black women rose up in screaming MASSES for black men not being allowed to enter a building through the front door---and now you say it's perfectly alright for Black women to be treated this way BY BLACK MEN, and that the women's own self-hatred exempts you from personal responsibility or even caring???

SHE---and SHE ALONE---was the woman who raised you up, but you have no obligation to help raise her up?

How in the hell can a black woman raise herself up when EVERY GODDAMNED IMAGE around her created by Black men is worshipping of every other woman and informs her DAILY of her inferiority???

What INSTRUMENT exists in this society for the lowest on the food chain to just raise herself up ALL BY HERSELF?

How many Black homes, ABM, have a father of ANY KIND in it--one of the VERY FEW who can claim he's on the "OTHER SIDE" of this issue?

You think because you're there to love and nurture YOUR DAUGHTERS---then the other millions of fatherless black girls don't matter???

And how does a little black girl learn to accept and love herself if there is no father, no uncle, no man she can TRUST to
affirm
her?

If you are a BLACK MAN who gives a fuck about the birth of your own kind, ABM---then there is no other side!!

And if BLACK MEN are the ones saying PUBLICLY that our race is inferior and that we need not exist---then why is he to be protected for the same belief White men are villified for?


I think Black women largely enable and replicate elements of White Supremacy (e.g., hair straightening and extensions) that manifest in the troubles they have with Black men.

Of course they do----MEN LIKE YOURSELF rarely PUBLICLY castigate those majority of Black men who INSIST...INSIST that we wear fake hair and look as white as possible---evidenced by every creation of media imagery created by BLACK MEN.

Go back to 1920, 1930...BLACK MEN were given the same evil destructive message to the Black Woman----"You are not beautiful, you are too black, you are ugly." And that was the message of BLACK POPULAR MUSIC BACK THEN---those sentiments were published in THE CHICAGO DEFENDER (weeeekly) BY BLACK MEN.

How in the fuck is a sister supposed to have the courage to stand up and be a BLACK WOMAN when MEN LIKE YOURSELF don't defend them against THE OTHER BLACK MEN when they try to do so? What can we do when MEN LIKE YOURSELF don't confront the black men who LAUGH and SCORN us when they try to do so????

This post began---ABM---with black men MAKING RACIST COMMENTS about black women for "being black human beings" and me wanting to know why BLACK MEN LIKE YOURSELF are never so vocal on the OTHER SIDE?

Moreover. I generally think and believe you can NOT persuade people via condemnation. I think you do such by INSPIRING them.

Yeah. Lord knows we've seen more than 0 black men trying to INSPIRE a black boy to love, respect and acknowledge the humanity of a black female---the mother of his race. There's a long history of that alright.

ABM:

But you don’t really seek to persuade Black men. As a whole, you consider us a lost cause. So then, what can and should a middle age African American man think and feel about THAT?

THIS FUCKING COMMENT--son of a bitch---is the end our everything.

Because how could you possibly have read a goddamned thing I've been saying all these years and think that I considered black men a LOST CAUSE?

You think that "I"---as a human being---don't have the right to call for the KILLING of the ones who wish to kill my children just as sure as any White Racist Man would want to kill my children??

You think I owe these Black motherfuckers who SEE my children as "nappyheaded monkeys" deserve more consideration from me the KLAN?????

And just how fucking LOYAL should a human being be to someone who doesn't even protect and defend them??? Narry acknowledge them!

This has NOTHING to do with Black men being a LOST CAUSE----it has everything to do with Black men like yourself looking the other way as black women are literally run down and PULVERIZED by our worst enemy on this continent---the self hating black man.


And let me tell you one thing, ABM....

I have never cried so hard or been so devastated to read anything...as I was to read this LOAD OF EXCUSES AND BULLSHIT that you penned this morning.

You take the whole issue of our pain and suffering FOR GRANTED----you minimize what is EPIC to our experience, OUR REALITY....all because you're in a lofty position where you don't have to care. You FORGET everything....EVERY GODDAMNED THING...that black women before you----generations of BLACK WOMEN in this country---have endured, overcome and suffered through...so that you can now sit there and denounce the most unloved, unprotected creature on earth...of not loving you enough.

MOTHERFUCKER---FUCK YOU!!!!!!

If I thought Black men were a "LOST CAUSE"---I wouldn't put myself up for the WHOLE GODDAMNED WORLD to hate and spit on!!!!

I'd write sweet romance novels and just collect millions each year and live on a yacht with Juan Carlos and turn my back on my people----if I thought "Black men" were a LOST CAUSE.

It's a fucking lot easier to just be a POP fiction novelist raking in millions than it is to be KOLA BOOF and STAND for something you know!!!

You think I risk being killed-----risk being HATED and BEATEN by BLACK AMERICAN PEOPLE who don't even see me as their own all because I consider Black men a LOST CAUSE?????

My life is NOT ABOUT ME in case you haven't noticed the
Fine Print
.



Honestly. Were I to attempt to defend the honor of Black women (and that presume we could all AGREE upon what such should entail), I feel my greatest nemesis would be...Black WOMEN.

And the same reason that I came back to this board (YOU)

...is the same reason that I just have to go away.

I am so devastated and hurt that I can't even see straight.

THIS IS ALL YOU CAN FUCKING SAY ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF BLACK WOMEN---THE MOTHERS OF OUR RACE?????

It's their fault and they're on their own?

What if WE had said that, so many times?

But you know, ABM---you are the one single person here who could totally obliterate me.

As a Black woman--the lowest on the food chain, all I can say to you in all your REMOVED arrogance is that I WANT MY BLACK BABIES.

I WANT MY BLACK BABIES....

...and if you are a BLACK MAN, then you are responsible for protecting me from ANY PREDATOR----ANY PREDATOR---that tries to keep them from being born.

Even if that's another black man.

I don't give a fuck what I did---YOU DO NOT let people destroy us!!!!

I WANT MY BLACK BABIES!!!

And I just have to go away, ABM. I can't accept this response from you, and you just take all my hope away.

I won't be back to read your response, because I literally can't take it.





I KNOW SHE WAS CUSSING YOU OUT AND EVERYTHING BUT THAT SHIT THERE WAS THE BOMB!! CAN'T NOBODY PREACH IT LIKE THAT!!

AND, NOW, BECAUSE OF YOU, YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE WON'T BE HEARING IT ANYMORE?? NAW, MAN! I THINK YOU OUGHTTA APOLOGIZE. SERIOUSLY. FOR THE REST OF OUR SAKE, K?

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Abm, don't. They're not really black. They're honkies in blackface-drag.
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"Sch: Oh, and the women aren't. Igbogirl wasn't a white supremacist....and fucking BB123 or Tonya aren't. Yeah, sure, dude."

What have I EVER said that made me a White Supremacist?
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You have a lot of nerve trying to call people out Schakspir, when you constantly post bigot pictures of Black women and refer to certain black female posters as to being "fat, loud, and ghetto" which is a negative stereotype for women of color.
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It's not what you say--it's what you IMPLY, and what you PROJECT. People like you keep the vicious cycle going. Ta-ta.
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GO ON ABM


KISS





THE KOLA ASS





AND APOLOGIZE





BECAUSE WE WOULD





ALL BE LOST





IF THE KOLAKUNT


DOESN'T COME HERE


AND PREACH TO





US WITH HER


LAME ASS





DRAMA QUEEN


RANTS!!!


PULEEZE


APOLOGIIIIIIIIIIZE!!!












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jumpin jesus!! there's enough love here to start my own valentines day shop!
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I feel so inadequate. I've been crying all day. How I wish that I could print my posts in big bold letters like others do. It just so unjust and I know the reason for this is that black men hate me and have denied me the soft ware to do this. Or whatever.
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LOL! Bulletin board code commands are very simple. Just click on "Help/Instructions" at the bottom of any of the forum pages and select "Formatting"




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Who would have thunk it? Abm was the one to slay the three headed dragon. Good riddance!

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"It's not what you say--it's what you IMPLY, and what you PROJECT. People like you keep the vicious cycle going. Ta-ta."

And you don't with your racist caricatures of Black people you constantly place on this site
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What an interesting observation Enchanted has made! Hmmmmmmmmm!
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"AND, NOW, BECAUSE OF YOU, YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE WON'T BE HEARING IT ANYMORE?? NAW, MAN! I THINK YOU OUGHTTA APOLOGIZE. SERIOUSLY. FOR THE REST OF OUR SAKE, K?"

That's right ABM! You need to apologize! It's all your fault black women are being abused, rejected, loathed, mocked, hated, considered to be at the bottom of the female heap and disrespected! You're a horrible man for what you said! Now apologize! LMO...!!!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Kola,

I will be brief.

In some ways, Black women suffer more than Black men. And in some ways, Black men suffer more than Black women. Both create the miseries of each other and themselves.

You're off your rocker if you HONESTLY believe there have been no Black men who have risked and sacrificed their lives to protect their families and to advance our rights and liberation.

You know. This nation's very FIRST Black millionaire was a WOMAN...Madame C.J. Walker…who made her great fortune encouraging other Black women to straighten their hair. And that started PRIOR to the 1920's. Black WOMEN have greatly contributed to and buttressed the colorism problem. And they contributed to raising Black sons to think and feel as they do.

I am taking care of my BLACK wife and children. I think other Black men should do the same. But what I am able to do is greatly ENABLED by being blessed to have found and married a woman who wants cooperate and work to our achieving some mutual benefit. A LOT of Black men and Black women are UNINTERESTED in that. And A LOT of them do not know that, or don’t really give a dayam to know.


All,

APOLOGIZE?

Yawl must be outtah your gotdayam MINDS!!!
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You didn't have to explain, Abm, I knew very well what you meant.
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Va_sis,

Thanks. And I imagine most other mature, fairminded foks know as well.
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I think most everyone understood rather well the point Abm was making. Kola just can't take it when people don't agree with EVERYTHING she writes/"says".
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especially Abm --her "King"!

LMAO!

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Moonsigns,

Oh. You're jes Jell-O because you've been hoping I'd be your "King", too.
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Mzuri, I did what you instructed me to do in regard to bold lettering, etc., but no results. Hummmm. My carrier is AOL. Would that have anything to do with it? This has caused me problems in other areas.
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Cynique,

make sure you use the backwards slash (next to the = key on your keyboard) and the curved brackets (next to "p"), then put your message inside them.

\b {your message in bold} will look like

your message in bold

Be sure to remove those spaces.

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Enchanted, that magical expert in the deceptive practice of smoke and mirrors notes:
"Who would have thunk it? Abm was the one to slay the three headed dragon. Good riddance!

Cynique would be re-miss if she didn't remark that one head of this 3-headed dragon remains among us. LMAO.

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Ms. Cynique. I'm on AOL as well. Copy and paste the commands - exactly as they are shown - into the posting box and insert your text between the commands.

As an example - to enlarge your text you would use the following \ 2 { (without the spaces please) include your text and then the closing bracket. Make sure you are using the backwards virgule. And just start with something simple, don't try to incorporate several commands at once until you get the hang of it.

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"Mzuri, I did what you instructed me to do in regard to bold lettering, etc., but no results. Hummmm. My carrier is AOL. Would that have anything to do with it? This has caused me problems in other areas."

It shouldn't. It's just basic HTML tagging. It has nothing to do with AOL. What exaclty what you are trying to do?
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Hey VS. Butt out!!! I need to be somewhere and I'm sitting up here giving BBC instructions and you're doing it too. Don't make me cuss you out today!!! LOL!!!
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You too NTFS. Buttinsky!!!
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"All,

APOLOGIZE?

Yawl must be outtah your gotdayam MINDS!!!"


Huh? Why not? If you don't, there are going to be some very bitter and angry black women! Their hostility and angst will now be directed at you since you will have joined the ranks of black women haters -along with the rest of us black men. You don't want that do you? LMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ntfs,

I don't live my life apologizing for the hysteria of other foks, bruh.

Even if it's coming from Black women.
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Abm, it's tongue in cheek, that's all. ;0)
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Gotcha! Thanks everybody!
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"You know. This nation's very FIRST Black millionaire was a WOMAN...Madame C.J. Walker…who made her great fortune encouraging other Black women to straighten their hair. And that started PRIOR to the 1920's. Black WOMEN have greatly contributed to and buttressed the colorism problem. And they contributed to raising Black sons to think and feel as they do."

So, are you saying before then Black men had no complaints about short and kinky hair?
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BB123,

No. That's NOT what I'm saying.

It's NOT as specific and absolute as what Black men OR what Black women have done. It's a an ambiguous, everchanging COMBINATION of what what BOTH Black men and women do, whereby we feed upon and then rejurgitate shyt back at each other.
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Boy, this is really cool!
I'm like a kid with a new toy!
Purple Rain, Purple Rain. Wazzup, Prince??
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Yay Cynique!!!

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Man! I go away for the weekend and come back to World War III.

:-(

Kola you didn't have to get this bent out of shape but I understand lady love.

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Is it just me or do we all get locked off the board at times?

Moderators--let a brother know.



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Ding dong the witch is dead! But you get to keep her crusty foot slippers Nolan. :-)


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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Actually Madame C. J. Walker, according to her biography, never made a million dollars. But she did, however, amass what was considered a considerable fortune back then. She also never encouraged women to straighten their hair. Her thing was grooming and keeping the hair healthy. She made straighten combs available to customers in order to be cometitive with her rival Palmers Skin and Hair Care company. Ida B. Wells was the quintiscential black woman, who among many accomplishments, helped organize the NAACP back in the early 1900s. But certain men, like fellow organizer W.E.B. DuBois, didn't want a woman to hold an office in this organization, so she was shut out and relelgated to the inocuous task of keeping minutes of their meetings. Wells went on to do great things especially in the field of journalism, and was a respected feminist and a tireless crusader against lynchings in the south, every year publishing a list identifying the hapless male victims of this astrocity. A housing project in Chicago was named after her and she holds a very revered place among the historically-conscious community of black Chicago.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Mzuri -- I can now post in BOLD

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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique --how did you type IN COLOR? Please share :-)
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ha. Ha. ABM
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"brownbeauty" really got intelligent, didn't she? She used to be a Bimbo, right "enchanted"? Predictably, the legendary hydra did its thing.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What the....

Mzuri, it is NOT (lol) that serious.
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cynique you should really concern yourself on how to whiten those dolphin teeth of yours instead of concerning yourself with whose kola and who is not. not to mention I hope you also found some decent size rollers to properly curl your over processed rice length hair. now that I'm done with your critique please go away and fix what's wrong with you, k?
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I don't know whether you have to have a color ink tank on your printer, Moonsigns, in order to do this. I do have one and I just did the slash thing and followed it with the name of a color without any space between, and then bracketed the text and - voila!
I became Iris,
the rainbow goddess
complete with a pot of gold!
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I change my mind, brownbooty, you're as dumb as ever. Can't you ever make an intelligent rebuttal that's not of the playground variety? I always have to stoop to your level. And I will. "brownbeauty", indeed, you probably look like a turd that has spouted nappy hair. ugh. And don't bother to post a picture of yourself, cuz I know it won't really be you unless it's a gerbil. zzzzzzzzzzzz
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Cynique, I know it would make you feel a whole lot better knowing that somebody else has the same problem you do with having fingersnap short hair that won't curl right LOL You were grown enough to know at the time that you need to at least let your shit grow out just a little before you try to roll that bogus shit up. LOL And you had the nerve to smile in that pic, like it was gonna make your hair any less of a nightmare LMAO!
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Cynique is FOINE for her age!

A little on the brite side but if I was 74 I'd do her. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


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Kola Boof is FOINE too. A goddess. I wish she wouldn't be so insecure, because I doubt Abm would want to hurt her.




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Boy, you really analysed my picture, didn't you, brownbooty? You probably sat in front of it and stared and stared, going over every feature, taking notes on how you could break it all down. Buffalo teeth? How do you know how the teeth of buffalo look? LMAO. Nevermind, the answer is pretty obvious. It's a wonder you didn't say I looked like my dead husband since you and your necromanic self get your jollies from being a ghoul. wheeee. Unlike you, I'm not into the superficiality of looks. I limit my critiques to the intellect, and the essence of you still comes across as dumb and stupid and, yes, smelly like the brownbootie that you are.
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You reek of too much self importance if you think I would sit in front of a computer and waste my life away by analyzing a photo of you and your sagging neck. Bitch please. I have a memory and I remember what I saw. You probably wish somebody would have to stare hard & long to notice your flaws unfortunately they're quite visible at first glance. And I didn't even say you had 'buffalo teeth', I said a 'dolphin' and I'm being quite generous when I say so. Don't try to act as though attacking a persons appearance is so beneath you when you yourself are guilty of it as well on far too many occassions. Not to mention, you are always the one to initiate childish nit-picking insults towards me when I hardly if ever say anything about you unless you provoke me to. Now would you please take your miserable sagging jowel, wide caricature looking mouth somewhere else and leave me the hell alone.
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Oh my, aunt Cynique, what huge dolphin teeth you have.





Yes my LittleBrownBootyHood - The better to bite your nappy peabrain head off with.






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LMAO. Talk about somebody "blathering". In spite of your denials you are much too preoccupied with how I look, you shallow-assed bitch. And where did you ever get the idea that at my age I would even care whether or not I was fione. That's why you're dumb. You think everybody is as simple and silly as you are. And the reason why you cain't get no dates is probably cuz you is as uuuuuuugly as sin, not mention being a big bore.
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Saay what, Mzuri? Something fishy about all of this, huh? LMAO.
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It's fishy alright. That's got to be one of the stooopidest wannabe insults I've ever heard in my life. Dolphin teeth. What a dope!
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Wonder where I got the idea brownbooty said "buffalo" teeth??? Guess, cuz I'm always tryin to do 2 things at once, and I get distracted. Anway, you'd think the ditz would accuse me of having shark teeth instead of dolphin ones. Dolpins are warm friendly creatures who rarely bare their teeth.
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"That's why you're dumb. You think everybody is as simple and silly as you are."

You initiate every insult towards me with your frumpy ass. I'm only defending myself.



"And the reason why you cain't get no dates is probably cuz you is as uuuuuuugly as sin"

I feel the same way about your hideous neck. ugh

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She's probably too dimwitted to know the difference between a dolphin and a shark. She's one of those ghetto hood rats and it's not as if she's educated. What is she anyway - a community college drop out???
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I thought you left, brownbooty. Couldn't resist coming back and proving how hung up you are on how I look. That's all you talk about. Fortunately I don't have to refer to a picture to tell you how bad you look. I'll just suggest you look in the mirror because it's obvious that you got "ugly girl" issues.
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Cynique, you act as if there's no way of finding pictures of what the hell dolphin teeth look like. Do a search and you'd be greatly surprised to see how much yours look just like them

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What's really interesting about Brownbeauty's comments to Cynique regarding her hair is, she is "making fun" of Cynique's hair ("fingersnap short" and "doesn't curl right") and doing the same SHIT she accuses black men of doing to black women regarding their hair.



What bullshyt! How hypocritical!

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And what's funny Moonsigns is how Cynique makes fun of how "ugly" I am (she has never seen me before) when she is doing the same superficial shit she accuses me of doing to her: attacking how someone looks.
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Moonsigns, and you also seem to overlook how often Mzuri has attacked other female posters by calling them "nappyheaded"...
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You started off talking about my picture, brownbooty. My reference to your looks has always been grounded in your shallow attitude. BTW, I don't know where you're coming from with the hair thing. I purposely style my hair in a windblown pixie style. It's 1950s thing. I'll leave the long weaves and extensions to a phony bitch like you. Go 'head on, girlfriend!
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BrownDumbBitch - I don't attack anyone by calling them nappyheaded. When I've used the word nappy it's been part of a string of other insults intended to annoy. And it works. Especially since a woman's hair is her crowning glory and women don't like to have their hair insulted. But I seriously doubt if anyone I've said that to really has nappy hair anymore. It's impossible to maintain. But again, if the shoe fits. LOLOLOLOL!!!
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You are such a hypocrite. You talked about some red or auburn colored wig you need to put on top of your head just to turn heads. Must be one helluva wig that makes your entire face look different
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BrownDumbBitch - when you get a little older, and you get your finances together, and you can afford to buy some things that you don't really need - trust me - you'll have a wig collection of your very own. That way, when you have a bad hair day or just don't have time to style your hair or haven't been to the salon lately, you can slap on your little afro, autumn, kimberly, or whatever and keep on steppin. Nobody expects a youngon like you to comprehend any of this. But try.
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You're a hypocrite youself brownbooty, always chiming in with Tonya about authentic blackness, and since this presumably espouses the idea that there is no such thing as "good" hair or "bad" hair, why is saying someone has nappy hair an insult???
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Cynique, don't try to act brand new as if there aren't enough people in the world who use the term "nappyheaded" as an insult to the texture of a black person's hair. No, I don't believe that kinky hair is "bad" but there are a lot of people who do and will use the term "nappyheaded" to ridicule
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If you are gullible enough to allow yourself to be defined by others then, somebody calling you nappy-headed can be construed as an insult. But nappy hair, like dark skin actually has to do with adjectives not insults. Any strong black woman should know this. Not. Buh-Bye.
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Really BrownBooty. No one knows what anyone's hair texture is.
Now run on back to your scrappy pappy and get happy.
And try to make your insults a little more snappy!
Crappy.
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"Actually Madame C. J. Walker, according to her biography, never made a million dollars. But she did, however, amass what was considered a considerable fortune back then. She also never encouraged women to..............in Chicago was named after her and she holds a very revered place among the historically-conscious community of black Chicago."

This is a late response to your post Cynique, I just read it today (20 Oct 06). Thank you for the very nice plug for Ms. C. J. Walker. Very nice and very true. I have two biographies on her. Thank you again for setting the record straight and according the proper respect to this pioneering black woman. The ignorance surrounding this woman by other blacks, particularly the post 1970 X-Gen, is appalling and pathetic.




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You know I've been a big fan of these boards for several years now because it's still one of the few places on the net where you can find intelligent black people discussing timely, relevant, important issues that affect black people like me everyday. But after reading this particular thread I must say that I'm appalled, ashamed, disturbed, and very disappointed that intelligent black people would degrade themselves by conveying their thoughts in such a vile and malicious manner. Honestly, have you no civility? Obviously, people are passionate about how they feel and what they believe, but IMHO, that doesn't give you the right to spew hate-filled messages to those who don't agree with what you have to say.

To help stop this madness and help bring back the decorum these boards once displayed, I think it's time aalbc incorporate a little "moderation". Most of the forums out there today do this already, and I think it's long overdue here. And moderation doesn't have to consist of a group of people deciding which posts are "valid", rather it can be moderated by the very users of this site through a simple post rating system which exists today in most forum software. Ok, back to my hole. . .
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Miguel - Kola is a moderator. Why don't you address your concerns to her.
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Well, Miguel, you could say that these posts are examples of "art" imitating life. This board is organic, not plastic. And it never seems to occur to people that they have the option to not read threads that offend their sensibilities. But they don't do this because they are fascinated with the volatility of it all. And so it goes.
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Cynique,

I'm certainly not advocating that we limit peoples art?, just give people the ability to filter it a little better which can be done with technology that already exists. Have a look at slashdot.org to see how this would work.

Mzuri,

I intend to take my issues up with the owners of these boards, but I also wanted to express my displeasure with what I see as a degradation of what these boards use to be about.
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It would seem you missed the point of my remark, Miguel. When I said art imitates life, I put art in quotes because it wasn't about visual art it was about the scenario of diaglogues that reflect what goes on in the real world. I wasn't aware that there were moderators on this board. Troy runs the show, and it's his call about what goes on, and I can count on one hand the times he has censored someone.
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Miguel,

I agree with your view of how the board has degraded. But whether and how one should attempt to REVERSE the degradation, I don't know.
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 09:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Miguel - You can take up your issues with whomever you choose but this forum isn't for everyone. And since you don't participate I don't get what your beef is. Typically, when people encounter something offensive on the net, they hit their back button. That's what I do. You should probably mosey back over to the lit board to discuss Uncle Tom's Cabin or something a little more up your alley.
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Cynique
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Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 02:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, Miguel, I don't know why I'm opposing you on this issue because I, myself, have been the object of a lot of scurrilous "degradation". But this just rolls off my back because "sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never harm me." LOL. And, of course, I give as good as I get. The redeeming thing about all of this is that the same regulars who engage in this abrasive behavior can also, in the blink of an eye, participate in intellectual dialogues.
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Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 04:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

”You know I've been a big fan of these boards for several years now because it's still one of the few places on the net where you can find intelligent black people discussing timely, relevant, important issues that affect black people like me everyday. But after reading this particular thread I must say that I'm appalled, ashamed, disturbed, and very disappointed that intelligent black people would degrade themselves by conveying their thoughts in such a vile and malicious manner. Honestly, have you no civility?”

Your point it is well taken. Sometimes the posts on this forum do take on a life of their own that can be very profane and uncivil at times. This I understand. And I sympathize with your being offended. I encourage you to partake in this discussion board and present your perspectives and emphasis your belief that discourse can be civil. But you have to understand, there are very different personalities and political beliefs that drive this discussion board. As a result, you are bound to have some fierce clashes and unfortunately, bad language and personal attacks at times. That’s just the way it is.

”To help stop this madness and help bring back the decorum these boards once displayed, I think it's time aalbc incorporate a little "moderation". Most of the forums out there today do this already, and I think it's long overdue here. And moderation doesn't have to consist of a group of people deciding which posts are "valid", rather it can be moderated by the very users of this site through a simple post rating system which exists today in most forum software.”

I understand your concern but I have to respectfully disagree with you. There is a very simple cure or option open to you –if you find a post or subsequent responses to a post offensive, move on to the next post that is less offensive. Why read something that offends or irritates you? I am totally opposed to this moderation thing because I am a fanatic for free expression of ideas and beliefs no matter how radical. Unless the literature or expression is advocating specific and directed violence, let the chips fall where they may. I really don’t like this idea of people who are offended by certain posts, desiring to curb or limit the expression of those they disagree with for whatever reason. In fact, I partake in a number of boards and one of the boards had a very lively political forum. Well, the rancor and exchanges got a little heated and they eliminated the political forum as a result! Needless to say, I was very disappointed and to some degree angered.

Another major board temporarily stopped their political forum, reopened it but put restrictions and a moderator on it. I voiced my disagreement with this policy which was created by people like you, who could not deal with the level of intensity of the participates. As a result of their inability to digest the commentaries by some of the posters, they wanted the forum shut down. I was gone from the board for a while but when I did return, I read this preface that accompanies the political forum. There were actual readers who were offended and angry that the moderator decided to reopen the forum. They wanted the political forum to stay closed!! Duuuuhhhhhh…??? Why? I engaged two of these censorship and politcally correct avocates. I had to. If you can’t deal with the heat -stay the hell out of the kitchen!!! It’s that simple! You can bypass and not read posts that offend you. You do understand this don’t you…??

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Miguel
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 08:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To everyone that's responded thus far,

Thanks for the thoughtful replies and considering my comments.

Before I clarify my earlier post, let me just say we all know the idea of "freedom" is great in theory but falls way short in reality because lets face it.. people do stupid shit period. that's why we have laws. As you'll see a little later in my post, I'm not even advocating that we censure what people post, but its hilarious to me that some would try and defend hate-filled, obscene, personal-attack posts that are running rampant on these boards. Do you honestly believe that people should be allowed to post anything they want? And of what value would that be?

Now, to those who feel my post was advocating censorship, that wasn't my intent at all. I'm as big a fan of free speech as anybody and I certainly wouldn't want to limit anybody's right to post, even given my earlier comments. The moderation system I was referring to wouldn't limit what people can post, rather, it would give the users of the boards the ability to rate posts based on some arbitrary scale and then in your profile, you'd be able to set it to only display posts that meet a certain criteria (say, posts rated 4 or higher on a scale of 1 to 5, 5 being highest). I've seen this implemented on several forums in the past and usually what ends up happening is the garbage posts (those containing personal attacks, slanderous language) stay at the bottom where they belong, while the more thoughtful, on-topic posts rise to the top.

Again, I only mention this because I've enjoyed so many thoughtful and intelligent posts on these boards for a number of years that I couldn't just sit back and watch a few posters destroy that without at least voicing my opinion.
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Mzuri
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 12:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Miguel - There are no hate-filled, obscene, personal attacks here. This is a discussion forum and there's gonna be rants. And if your comments are addressed to me I certainly don't hate anyone here and I doubt that anyone hates me. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ME - HELLOOOOOW!!!

What do you perceive as obscene? Pix of naked women? The foul language? Is there something here you haven't seen or heard before? LOL. And again - nothing is PERSONAL. Most of us don't really know each other personally. If anyone takes any of this shit personal, they've got problems and they need to grow up! This is a GROWN FOLKS forum. It's not your local church group.

Anyway, send an e or telephone whomever and see if you can effect a change. More power to you. And oh yeah - participate or evaporate!!!
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Cynique
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 01:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, to me, essence transcends language and the interesting thing about cyber space is that you have to hone your ESP to discern things about the faceless posters who rant and opine on this board. I feel like I do know some of these people, and I have my favorites based on the vibes I pick up from the invisible personas that frequent this virtual site. Still, I keep things in perspective because nothing that happens here really greatly affects my life.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 03:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

”I'm not even advocating that we censure what people post, but its hilarious to me that some would try and defend hate-filled, obscene, personal-attack posts that are running rampant on these boards. Do you honestly believe that people should be allowed to post anything they want? And of what value would that be?”

You say you are not advocating censorship yet you contradict yourself with desiring a rating system for posts? Why? How is that different from restructuring the current system that allows posts, regardless of their content, to be posted as they are written in a serial manner? And yes, I feel people should be free to post whatever they want as long as it does not interfere with the flow of the board nor advocate violence, pedophilia or insurrection.

”Now, to those who feel my post was advocating censorship, that wasn't my intent at all. I'm as big a fan of free speech as anybody and I certainly wouldn't want to limit anybody's right to post, even given my earlier comments. The moderation system I was referring to wouldn't limit what people can post, rather, it would give the users of the boards the ability to rate posts based on some arbitrary scale and then in your profile, you'd be able to set it to only display posts that meet a certain criteria (say, posts rated 4 or higher on a scale of 1 to 5, 5 being highest).”

Why should the posts be rated? They are what they are! And who is going to do this so-called moderation and ranking? You? There is already a system that rates posts or have you not noticed??


”I've seen this implemented on several forums in the past and usually what ends up happening is the garbage posts (those containing personal attacks, slanderous language) stay at the bottom where they belong, while the more thoughtful, on-topic posts rise to the top.”

Let me get this right, you want to push posts that you deem vulgar or offensive to the bottom or whatever….is this correct? Uh huh….I don’t think so. The board is fine the way it is. I would like to see a more advanced software running that allows better editing and avatars but the format is fine the way it is. We don’t need our posts jumbled around and restricted to an arbitrary “naughty” zone. I suggest you ignore and not read posts that offend you or frequent a board that is easier for your sensibilities. WE DO NOT NEED NOR DO WE WANT ANY TYPE OF CENSORSHIP, MANIPULATION OF POSTINGS OR CATAGORIZING OF OUR POSTS BASED ON YOUR INABILITY TO DIGEST THE LANGUAGE. Sorry, but I don’t know any other way to say it.

You are free to post anything you like and I hope you continue to do so. But we are doing fine and not to be harsh or disrespectful, if you cannot deal with the language or material, I suggest you frequent boards that are more to your ethical liking.

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