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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 956
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 04:33 am: | 
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This article is so hard core I had to think twice before posting it. But I had to do it. Taking ridiculous to another level should have been the title. IMO. You decide.....
'Ex-gay' psychologist claims Africans 'better off' as slaves.
by Brentin Mock
Oct. 6, 2006 -- A prominent member of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) is under fire for publishing an essay in which he argues that Africans were fortunate to have been sold into slavery, and the civil rights movement was "irrational."
"There is another way, or other ways, to look at the race issue in America," writes Gerald Schoenewolf, a member of NARTH's Science Advisory Committee. "Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle... Life there was savage ... and those brought to America, and other countries, were in many ways better off."
NARTH is a coalition of psychologists who believe it's possible to "cure" homosexuality, a position rejected by the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association. The controversy over Schoenewolf's apology for slavery has battered the so-called "ex-gay" movement with accusations of racial bigotry for the first time. The movement's leaders and their close allies at Christian Right powerhouses like Focus on the Family have failed to condemn Schoenwolf's inflammatory arguments.
Titled "Gay Rights and Political Correctness: A Brief History," Schoenewolf's angry polemic was published on NARTH's website. In addition to his outrageous historical claims about the conditions of life in Africa, he writes that human rights proponents are intellectually stunted. (Schoenewolf draws upon Swiss child psychologist Jean Piaget, who theorized four stages of intellectual development, with the most advanced stage consisting of abstract and complex thinking. "[F]ollowers in the Human Rights Movement," have not reached this stage, according to Schoenewolf.)
Schoenewolf, a psychotherapist who lives in New York City, is director of The Living Center, an online therapy center for people in the arts. He has authored 14 books, among them The Art of Hating, in which he writes, "Many people talk about hate, but few know how to hate well."
When interviewed last week for this article, Schoenewolf stood by his comments on the intellectual inferiority of civil rights movement supporters. "The civil rights movement has from the beginning and today seen itself as good and others are evil, like slaveowners are evil," he said.
During the interview, Schoenewolf lambasted civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights. "All such movements are destructive," he said. He also claimed the American Psychological Association, of which he is a member, "has been taken over by extremist gays."
Schoenewolf's essay first appeared on NARTH's website in the fall of 2005, but apparently went unnoticed by critics until mid-September, around the time the executive director of the National Black Justice Coalition, a black gay and lesbian advocacy organization, delivered to NARTH a formal letter of protest.
"In the name of propriety, respect, common decency and professional integrity, the National Black Justice Coalition strongly urges NARTH to issue a public apology on the front page of its website for publishing such an outrageous and offensive article," wrote H. Alexander Robinson. "We also hope that you reevaluate your relationship with Dr. Schoenewolf, whose peculiar views have no place in civilized discourse."
Then, in late September, the gay rights group Truth Wins Out called on Focus on the Family to cancel a speaking appearance by NARTH executive director Joseph Nicolosi scheduled for a Focus on the Family conference held September 23 in Palm Springs, Calif.
Nicolosi appeared as planned. But the Schoenewolf essay was erased from NARTH's website the same day as the Focus on the Family conference. Then, on October 6, NARTH posted this statement to its website: "NARTH regrets the comments made by Dr. Schoenwolf about slavery which have been misconstrued by some of our readers. It should go without saying that we do not wish to minimize the suffering of those who have been mistreated because of race, sex, religious beliefs or sexual orientation." The statement makes no mention of the civil rights movement.
Nicolosi has yet to publicly address the future of Schoenewolf's relationship with NARTH. He also did not respond to multiple voice mail messages and E-mails seeking comment for this article. Michael Haley, manager of Focus on the Family's homosexuality and gender department, likewise did not respond. Calls and E-mails to Focus on the Family press managers went unanswered.
For now, Schoenewolf remains a member of NARTH's Science Advisory Committee. This committee has "the authority of opinion and the authority of their recommendations," over what is published by NARTH, according to former committee member David Blakeslee, who resigned in protest over the Schoenewolf essay Sept. 29.
"Whenever a scientific organization speaks inaccurately about science and conflates it with politics, the general public can be significantly misled and harmed," he wrote in his letter of resigation.
Interviewed by the Report, Blakeslee added: "Schoenewolf's article was so over the line that it justifiably outraged a number of people."
Even so, other NARTH members have leapt to Schoenewolf's defense on the organization's official blog, whose administrator, "Sojourneer," summed up the outcry over the essay as "lies and distortion, in an attempt to discredit Narth [sic] and Dr. Shoenewolf [sic]."
"Just because Schoenewolf said some good can come out of a bad situation [slavery] does not make him a racist," the NARTH administrator wrote. "It was just his opinion and does not reflect Narth's [sic] position on the topic."
So what exactly is NARTH's position on equal rights for non-whites? On the NARTH website, the section marked "NARTH and Civil Rights" states: "It is NARTH's position that science, not activism, should inform legal decisions and public policies," a position that could easily be read to support Schoenewolf's hostility towards the civil rights movement. NARTH's position statement is particularly ironic in light of the organization's close relationship with Focus on the Family, which clearly engages in political activism.
Blakeslee isn't the only NARTH supporter to sever ties with the organization over its failure to denounce Schoenewolf.
"This was a slam dunk. They should have said, 'These are not our views.' People have asked them to clarify what they meant by this and [instead] they've in fact defended it," says Warren Throckmorton, a professor of psychology at Grove City College and a former member of NARTH.
Before the Schoenewolf controversy, Throckmorton was slated to present at NARTH's annual conference in November in Orlando, Fla. Now, he's pulled out, and wants nothing to do with the group.
"This stuff about political correctness and slavery is very far outfield," he said. "I'm appalled by it, and a lot of people within NARTH are as well, but they don't have the authority to speak out on it. And those who do have the authority aren't."
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=84
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 1884
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 08:01 am: |
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NTFS - I'm sure it's interesting but I can't bring myself to read any articles by or about 'ex gays.' Anyone who can't decide upon their own sexuality is undoubtedly too confused to make any further assessments. As to the assertion that Africans are better off as slaves - uh huh. And so are the Jews. As well as the millions of people who are currently enslaved. |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 144
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 08:24 am: |
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So Shoenewolf believes that being ripped from your homeland, en masse, then forced to become "strangers in a strange land" where you're stripped of your ancestry, religion, culture, language, family unit, dehumanized, sold as chattel, whipped, maimed, raped, murdered with impunity, and brainwashed - for hundreds of years - generation after generation - is a GOOD thing?
I see...
"Many people talk about hate, but few know how to hate well."
I see...
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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 2841
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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What can you say. He wants to be white. He wants the Klan to love him. He will have his reward.
The when a bunch of thugs out for a lark grab this guy and have some fun I hope, when they are ramming the pool cue or mop handle or whatever up his butt, he has time to remember his racist drivel and repent.
But brain damaged mutants like him rarely do. |
Abm
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Post Number: 6642
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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Man. When f*gs try to go cold turkey from receiving that dyck, they can say and do some fairly IDIOTIC shyt. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 5533
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:51 pm: |
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In theory, what Shoenewolf and many others say about slavery having it benefits could be deemed true. But - in actuality, slave descendants are suffering from the hangover of a 400-year binge. As a race, blacks are dysfunctional because we've never received the therapy of justice and equality. We were left to rehabilitate ourselves, doing so by using the trial and error method. Some succeeded and some didn't. The throb of our hearts is still in sync with the drums of Africa, and this has left us marching to a different beat in this country. Only the instinct for survival and the blood that flows through our veins allows us to stay afloat in the mainstream that is reminiscent, perhaps, of the Niger and Congo Rivers. Who is to say whether we are better off in America or Africa? It's like a case of the lesser of 2 evils. Me, I'd rather deal with the snakes in the grass, than the cobras in the jungle. I think. |
Schakspir
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 01:01 pm: |
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Gerald Schoenewolf
"ex"-gay
"Thinks" civil rights movement was "irrational"
"thinks" blacks(or niggers, privately) were better off under slavery
Hmmmmm.....Sounds like a five-and-dime store Nazi. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 2843
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 01:44 pm: |
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A lot of the German Nazis were gay. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 01:48 pm: |
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I read someplace that the only "EX" thing about these rehabilitated gays is that they CHOOSE not to practice their homosexuality. They make a concerted effort to pursue a straight life style, and many of them revert back to being gay because this is what they naturally are, and the pressure of trying to be what they are not was too stressful. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 02:05 pm: |
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Homosexuality and Nazism
http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3734
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 03:23 pm: |
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Hi Chris. 
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Kola_boof
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ABM, not starting anything--but I notice you and Nolan Fane use the words "fag" and "faggot" a lot (especially Nolan--plus I go through this with Thomas in front of the boys), and I just find it so unsavory.
I mean seriously. Isn't there some other way it could be put?
A lot of my friends and supporters are gay, I love them very dearly and it just feels like such an expression of hatred for them. It also distorts who they really are.
Whenever you say that word, I just feel that there's a part of you I don't know. A part that I fear, because maybe you would physically hurt my friends or CONDONE them being physically hurt.
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 1892
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 03:42 pm: |
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NEWSFLASH KOLAKUNT - Men who stick their dick up other men's asses are FAGS, FAGGOTS, FUDGEPACKERS, QUEERS, and COCKSUCKERS, etc. Stop questioning people about their vernacular and get some better friends. DUMB FUCK! |
Abm
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Post Number: 6655
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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Kola,
I probably can not offer a response that you'd find palatable. It's just one of those things I've never manage to 'unlearn'.
Sorta like why I'll still call women "chicks", brothas "nikkas", White women "Beckys", White men "Opies", etc.
I guess it is antiquated Black male machismo blend with my own unique blend of fuhk-a-mofo arrogance and self-grandiosity.
I'm no more inclined to harm a gay person than I am a straight one. But I can understand why you and others might fear otherwise.
Kinda like how some brothas might think and feel about what you've often said about us. |
Tonya
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...LMOA |
Nolanfane
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Post Number: 332
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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OK Miss Kola how about I say "QUEERS" from now on.
I see a lot of t.v. shows use that term, is that laright with you, because honestly, me and Abm aint the type of brothers to even care about no faggot azz mofo let alone hurt one--unless homey try'n deal us the azz or something.
It literally means nothing. Punks is people too is my mantra.
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Lil_ze
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interesting that a person who has no problem calling people "cree-holes", and a whole host of insults, actually has a problem with people calling men who have sex with other men FAGS. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 961
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 07:17 pm: |
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"interesting that a person who has no problem calling people "cree-holes", and a whole host of insults, actually has a problem with people calling men who have sex with other men FAGS."
Uh oh...!!!!!!! Naplam on the way.......!!! |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1899
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 07:49 pm: |
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And napalm shall be met by super napalm. |
Kola_boof
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Oh please, Mzuri, what are you an 8th grader as well as a Republican???
Like ABM, I won't be responding to or acknowledging your posts any longer.
Feel free to vomit all over the keyboard as you always do.
You're NOBODY to me and not worth my attention.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 1900
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Whatever KolaKunt. Yes, I'm a Republican, you just now figured that out? And what of it you cumsucking sasquatch trailer trash trannie slut.
You NEVER shoulda said shit to me in the first place cuz you already know that you're no match for me - one-note chickenshit simpleminded piss-hearted son of a dick-brained nigger bitch!!! So now you gotta take your nauseating brokedick no-balls pre-op faggotty ass to hide behind your boyfriend.
That's too bad but while you're busy 'ignoring' me, be sure to hit some gradeschool science books to brush up on why the human body shrinks as it ages. Perhaps your boyfriend can tutor you, cuz you neeeeeeeds HELP!!!
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/16991.html#POST72105
FUCKTARDED SECOND GRADE DROPOUT DOUCHEBAG!!!
Trust me Kola Spoof - a dimwitted poptart such as yourself hasn't any room to talk about anyone else's intelligence level. So go crawl back under that piece of shit rock you came from and fuckin die! Please!!!
Oh, and just in case you forgot your lineage:
You psychotic fleabitten skunk assed cracker cree-hole mulatto waste of a splooge mutant queer!!!
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Renata
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Post Number: 1517
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Republican.....
Kola, you know that girl is going to be loyal to the government for all that cheese and free medical care she got all those years for her brats. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1904
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:18 pm: |
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Renata - Unlike you, fatso freeloading tub-o-lard obese porker, I have worked for everything I own. Thank you. |
Renata
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I worked for what I own, too (what's in the bank, anyways)....I just don't have to spend it.
Only a really stupid whore would think that a man taking care of HIS OWN kids instead of the government means the mother is a freeloader.
Damn, you were an easy mark. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1905
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Renata - So you've got money in the bank now?
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/2152/10508.html#POST47912
Good for you! I know that must have been a difficult accomplishment after having worked for only a couple of months. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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LOL |
Renata
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A few months THIS YEAR. Before my son was born, I worked full time, then a little after he was born.
.....when married women work, it's for their OWN savings...not household stuff or car payments or anything else. We married just because we WANT to and have some free time.....you'd KNOW that if you'd ever had a husband......
man, I don't even have the time.....bye. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1907
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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Why this sloppy dumb bitch insists upon telling me that I never had a husband is beyond me. As if she's got a friggen clue.
Renata - I'm sorry you got tangled up in your twisted little lie but you should have listened to your nappy headed mammy - never tell a lie because it's impossible to keep your story straight. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 968
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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There is not much to say about this very sad pseudo-scientific organization (NARTH) or a Darwinist racist like Shoenewolf. The idea of subjecting a person to therapy to cure them of their homosexuality is flawed and unsupported by any reputable medical or psychiatric/psychological organization. Nothing to debate here. The sheer lunacy and ignorance of these alleged academic professionals is evident for all to see.
The very statement: “It is NARTH's position that science, not activism, should inform legal decisions and public policies…” smacks of the same Nazi philosophy and racist eugenic determinism as the Pioneer Fund. And for the cowards in the group who failed to denounce the shameless racism and homophobia of Schoenewolf’s ravings, let it noted. You now know what the constituency of the organization is like. E’nuff said……..
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Nolanfane
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Post Number: 339
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Quote MAN-Zuri:
Why this sloppy dumb bitch insists upon telling me that I never had a husband is beyond me. As if she's got a friggen clue.
Haha! That's all you do all day every day is tell people who they are without a friggen clue. Your mouth is like a diarreah dirge.
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Nolanfane
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LMAO!!!
Don't get mad because Renata's been popping that azz Man-zuri. She's put you in check better than anybody I've seen on here you human Crotch Crab.
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Zuriburi
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ABM, as an older black man, with obvious brilliance, I am confounded by the glibness you use in excusing the use of a term that like all inflammatory terms, was created to objectify and dehumanize one of the MOST hated and tortured and attacked groups in the recent era.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 12:12 pm: |
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That hypocritical lazy bitch calls me "squarepants" yet that bastard is a "republican"...what the hell.. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1912
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Trust me BROWNBitch - I might be many things, but a bastard ain't one of them. My parents were properly wed long before I was ever conceived. Get your facts straight and try to come up with some better insults. Slutty tramp. |
Brownbeauty123
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Mzuri
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Abm
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 02:23 pm: |
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Zuriburi,
I'm NOT at all "excusing" my using the word f*g. I've just simply attempted to explain why I use it.
And, as I've already said, I frequently use lots of OTHER Politically INCORRECT terms. Why no hue/cry for my frequent use "chick", "nikka", "kneegrow", "dyck", "p*$$y", "dyke", "Becky", "Opie", "cQQchie", etc.?
I don't pretend to be perfect. We ALL have some shyt on and in us. Nor do I intend to please everyone with WHAT/HOW I express myself.
So if some of what I write negatively affects what you and others think of and feel about me, I'll understand, and I, suppose, we’ll BOTH have to live with that. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 976
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 04:31 pm: |
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"So if some of what I write negatively affects what you and others think of and feel about me, I'll understand, and I, suppose, we’ll BOTH have to live with that."
Well.........uhhhhhhhhhhhh....I guess das dat!
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Teresarae
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 05:37 pm: |
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I wrote about this in my book as well. Look for me in Black Issues Book Review in the NOVEMBER/ DECEMBER 2006 issue. You can find out more by visiting to my website at www.text4mpublishing.com
or at http://www.blog-blast.com/go.php?id=1379531
www.myspace.com/teresaraebutler   |
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