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Misty
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Post Number: 319
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 03:38 am: | 
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I laughed my ass off while I was reading this because this post sounds very interesting coming form a white man…
what’s funny is it sounds a lot like the topics on this board if you substitute the words white for black and black for white…are whites starting to get a slight taste of what blacks have been experiencing for centuries with the skin color issue now that tanning has been in for quite a while?
whites seem to be sounding more and more like black people everyday now that the tables have turned slightly (not completely but very slightly). LOL
“I just want to say, the reason I wrote that adulatory comment above, about white women’s white skin, was I wanted to defend white women’s natural white-skinned variety of beauty for once (and I wanted to defend it without denigrating the dark skin of women belonging to the swarthy races, which I hope I didn’t give the impression I was doing—swarthy women can be beautiful too, of course, and especially Subcon women, I find, but our white sisters are hands down the most beautiful of all, and it’s high time someone began telling them so! They don’t need to be tanning all the time!). They’re our sisters, after all. How must they feel when every time they turn around a white man is saying they need a tan to look good?
Besides, they’re setting themselves up for skin conditions if not actual skin cancer twenty years hence, what with all the time they spend at the beach tanning in the sun, or in the tanning salon, hoping to “get rid of their unattractive white skin.” Their white skin is not unattractive! It’s drop-dead gorgeous! That tanning is not necessary, and I don’t want our white women to absorb “non-white is more beautiful” propaganda which is in part deliberately concocted and pushed by the one-world race-replacement crowd. Our white women are feminine alabaster-skinned swans whose physical beauty is second to no other women on the planet: none. It’s about time they heard men of their own race state that. You keep brainwashing them with this “you need a tan to look good” propaganda, and don’t be surprised if, in their confusion, they think it’s essential for them to marry a Negro if only to have good-looking sons and daughters. They don’t need to marry Negroes. They need to marry white men. Let us white men show them for once we appreciate their special beauty. We white men, their racial brothers, need to start telling them in no uncertain terms. That’s why I wrote that. But most important of all, I wrote it because it’s true, every word. Hear that, girls? Better believe it! No female beauty compares to yours in our eyes, none! We love you exactly the way you are, snow-white skins and all!”
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_evolution_of_blond_hair_ and_blue_eyes_among_nordics
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 320
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 03:52 am: |
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that guy isnt far off either when he says this
"You keep brainwashing them with this “you need a tan to look good” propaganda, and don’t be surprised if, in their confusion, they think it’s essential for them to marry a Negro if only to have good-looking sons and daughters. "
i've known some white women to say they were looking foreward to having "dark babies" or "babies with some tint to their skin"....just like you have black women who want "pretty babies"
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Misty
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Post Number: 322
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 04:11 am: |
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i've heard it said ad naseum that darker skinned black women turn to having children fro white men and lighter skinned men because they're sick of bneing shunned for thier own dark skin....i'm wondering if a similar thing is happening with white women in todays culture(especially the ones who dont tan well).
there is no shortage of stories about white kids being teased by other white people for being too pale. |
Grind
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Post Number: 91
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 08:35 am: |
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"there is no shortage of stories about white kids being teased by other white people for being too pale."
Yeah, I've witnessed this sort of teasing among whites a number of times. But there's really little comparison to this and what goes on in the "black" community. For one, whites don't take "colorism" 1/1000 as seriously as "blacks" do, and secondly, unlike whites, "blacks" are in reality a mixed race group and differences in skin tone (and features) among us actually correlate with major genetic differences.
"i've known some white women to say they were looking foreward to having "dark babies" or "babies with some tint to their skin"....just like you have black women who want "pretty babies""
I used to work with a white girl who said she wanted to have biracial kids because white skin looked "unhealthy" to her. |
Grind
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Post Number: 92
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 08:39 am: |
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Also, Misty, I read a lot of race related forums and I find it interesting that EVERY race thinks that the media is biased against them. Everyone feels shafted by "multiculturalism." |
Abm
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Post Number: 6286
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Are there MILLIONS of White people being bred to feel wholly INFERIOR to others whose skin is darker than theirs? |
Moonsigns
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Grind,
I think you made a valid point regarding how whites don't take colorism as seriously as blacks do. |
Abm
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Post Number: 6289
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Moonsigns: "I think you made a valid point regarding how whites don't take colorism as seriously as blacks do."
You're kidding. Right?
Hell. You all are the chief purveyors and beneficiaries of colorism. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3129
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ABM, I thank God that more black men like yourself are beginning to take this issue seriously and are speaking against it.
My two little boys (if you saw them) are truly what WE in our community consider "some good look'n boys" (very handsome)------yet in our regional California valley, they are mostly bonded by the "scorn" that the majority White and Bi-racial kids turn on them for being "black" and having "nappy hair".
This is the first time in my life that I have EVER witnessed gorgeous little chocolate MALES be treated the way that very dark girls were always treated in the black community....SHUNNED.
The worst of course is from the "biracial" half black children----all of whom detest black people and hold their white mothers in pride but are ashamed of their black fathers.
Black men, in their ego-blindness, refuse to notice what they are BREEDING. I mean, it's virtual CULTURAL suicide----but they stand by these hiddeous children and the stupid, racist white women who "keep their boy children's heads shaved".
It's SICK.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 1398
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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Misty - Colorism exists among all societies and in all races and ethnicities. Whites have skin tone distinctions such as fair skin, olive tone, and refer to their blonde hair, blue eyes, etc. as if it's some symbol of purity. Latinos come in all shades and their lighter skinned members are considered "better" while the darker skins are typically relegated to subserviant menial positions. Same with the Italians, Greeks, and all the rest. Colorism is not exclusive to just us Negroids. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3130
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:08 am: |
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Mzuri, don't forget the Asians who undergo surgery to "open" their slanty eyes. And by now you've all seen at least one Asian woman with BLONDE hair, blue contacts, etc.????
The TOP purchasers of "skin bleaching" products are people from INDIA. They spend 5 times on bleaching what Blacks (globally) spend.
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Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:13 am: |
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Sorry Kola. Yes, the Asian slanty eye corrective surgery syndrome has been around for over fifty years. It was depicted in the 1957 film entitled "Sayonara" which starred Marlon Brando. Again, colorism exists in all races and ethnicities. |
Abm
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Post Number: 6291
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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Kola,
Things are becoming clearer to me. Though I admit as I delve into the depths of the Colorism issue, I am made quite uncomfortable by the enormity of it, it's myriad permutations, implications, etc.
I guess what I fear most is HOW do you resolve and reconcile the issue WITHOUT causing ever greater strife amongst people of African descent. And after doing such, will we be better off than we are now.
I guess fear a different future. But then, maybe that's necessary.
PS: I was watching Hotel Rwanda yesterday. And over and over again I wondered what must or does it feel like to be truly African. |
Abm
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Post Number: 6292
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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Kola,
I heard or read somewhere Asian women get leg implants to make their legs appear more like that of White women.
You heard of that? |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 1412
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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I think that post made by that man is kinda strange --but, then again, there are white people who don't like the "tan" look and really like pale, pale skin. Everybody is different.
In my own experience, a lot of white women I know like to "tan", and they seem to find the skin tone of women like Halle Berry, Eve Mendes, Rashida and Kidada Jones, Leila Arcieri (sp?), Nicole Ari Parker and Persia White to be the ideal. Comments like, "they never have to tan" or "it's the perfect skin-tone" are the things I hear many white women say about women with such skin-tone. My daughters get a lot of comments like this from their white, female peers.
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Moonsigns
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Abm,
I'm totally serious --because you and I know that many whites don't take colorism seriously --and, for that matter, have never even heard the term! |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 919
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:39 am: |
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Moonsigns, what do they say about Gabrielle Union's complexion? |
Moonsigns
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BB,
Are you asking what white women (the ones I interact with) "say" about GU's skin-tone? |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:45 am: |
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"In my own experience, a lot of white women I know like to "tan", and they seem to find the skin tone of women like Halle Berry, Eve Mendes, Rashida and Kidada Jones, Leila Arcieri (sp?), Nicole Ari Parker and Persia White to be the ideal"
I've never really considered these women to have the perfect skin tone, & they're all pretty light/pale to me--with the exception of Halle. According to whites, they are "tan" or "brown"---? |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:47 am: |
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Yes, Moonsigns.
Would Gabrielle Union's skin tone be ideal? Or is her complexion far too dark to be ideal for Whites? Just curious...in my African American eyes all the women you named are not tanned looking or even slightly brown to me-- |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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MoonSigns - Colorism doesn't have to be a term that anyone ever heard of. The practice is ingrained in the human psyche. Whiteness equals good, clean and purity, and blackness equals dirt. |
Moonsigns
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Brownbeauty:
"According to whites, they are "tan" or "brown"---?"
Moonsigns:
Accoring to the white women I know, I would say "tan" before I'd say "brown". Gabrille Union has a beautiful, rich brown skin-tone, but she doesn't look "tan" by any strech --not the way white people view "tan". And, you're right, the women I mentioned are "pretty light/pale", but there are many white women who, when they are tan, have similiar skin-tones as the women I mentioned. That is why they consider such skin-tones to be "ideal". And, in this case, Gabrielle Unions skin-tone is not ideal to them because it can never be achieved. But, I don't think they consider it unattractive, either. Many, if not most, of my white girlfriends think she is absolutely gorgeous, her skin is flawless and her skin-tone is "pretty" or "amazing" (I hear that often). I think that white women who have awareness regarding the world around them regarding racism and white priviledge don't like to comment on skin-tone or give a black woman a compliment on her skin tone because they don't want to be offensive --or give the impression that they think black people are "so different" and "unusual" that they have to comment on the difference in skin tone compared to their own. Does this make any sense? Hope so!
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Moonsigns
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Mzuri,
You're right, and I agree --it is something ingrained in a lot of peoples minds! But, as we both know, "white priviledge" has blinded many white people to "see" the world outside their "own". |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
I second Mzuri's response.
Most White foks never have to actually concern themselves with their Whiteness. Because what results of it pretty much SPEAKS for itself.
But I agree with you that White women (and men, for that matter) speak of Black skintones put themselves in a rhetorical no-mans(womans) land of which there is virtually NO escape. |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
I didn't know about the Asian women having leg implants.
How tragic.
Of course, for "Blacks" to survive, colorism must be eventually rejected by them.
And that means that MILLIONS of colored people with "black blood"----will also have to be rejected, cut loose, abandoneda nd rebuked.
This FACT is what you "sense" and fear greatly.
And it's the only way.
This is why I greatly disagree with GRIND's claim that "Black people" are a largely Mixed, varied group.
That's AMERICAN BULLSHIT that he has accepted, because his lineage is the "slave descendent"-----therefore, like his Master, he refuses to acknowledge or respect what a BLACK PERSON is--he advances his Master's belief that anyone containing a "drop" is black----totally ignoring that you could put Halle Berry in a room full of Tanzanians and they will only call her one thing----"white lady".
Black Americans do not even constitute 3% of the world's BLACK people, and yet, they don't understand that.
But the reason that I fight with AAs and literally FORBID them to "assimilate" or become "too light"--------is because I know the Death Knell.
That moment of truth when the one thing they will want more than anything in this world is to be connected to their ancestors/race/people-----and the REJECTION that their vanilla complexions will bring----and the resultant mass suicide. The OBLITERATION that awaits "mixies" as they are--by default--agents of White Supremacy.
They AFFIRM whiteness by being imitations of it.
It doesn't matter what they think they are.
To be truly "African" is to be truly "Black".
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Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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ABM - I think that you and I are referring to two different scenarios. I am referring to colorism among white ppl (and the other races) as it pertains to themselves within their own groups. Not in how they perceive the different shades of Blackness amongst us. Take for example Mexicans - you have Germanic Mexicans (from Germany) who are white white, and then you have dark complected Mexicans - who are referred to as Black Mexicans but they are not Negroid, they're just dark skinned. And they have their own standards of skin tone = class in Mexico (and with the Mexicans that reside in the U.S.). |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 12:47 pm: |
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Kola,
I think I might have been in error. Apparently, many asian women attempt to REDUCE the size of their calf muscles, not increase them. Here's an article that reference to this apparent phenomenon: http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/some_korean_women_are_taking_gre.htm |
Abm
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Mzuri,
I was seconding your "MoonSigns - Colorism doesn't have to be a term that anyone ever heard of. The practice is ingrained in the human psyche. Whiteness equals good, clean and purity, and blackness equals dirt." |
Mzuri
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Thank you. |
Abm
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Kola,
I understand enuff about history to see the veracity of your words.
But I await witnessing your being capable of convincing the majority of African Americans that authentic Blackness should even matter to them.
Simply: Do we even WANT to be TRULY Black? And WHY should we? |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
I don't for a minute think I am capable of getting AAs to do anything.
The important footnote will be....that I tried.
Their mother DID COME and she DID do her best.
That's all that matters.
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Kola_boof
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And it won't be the first time that their mother came.
AAs ALWAYS reject their mother---because like newly hatched chicks retarded by overexposure to the sun----they think Lena Horne is their mother.
They can't recognize their real mother.
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Abm
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Kola,
Indeed.
Fault not the FIRE that that some would rather perish from the cold and dark than receive lifegiving warmth and light. |
Kola_boof
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Do we even WANT to be TRULY Black? And WHY should we?
ABM,
What hurts me...is that there will someday be a MASS "octoroon" offspring population who will actually WANT that more than life itself.
They will sit in classrooms and STUDY AAs much the way the American Indian is studied, talked about and lamented today.
These offspring will blame everything that's wrong in their lives on the fact that they're not---"black", don't have "African hair", look nothing like their forefathers.
They will SCAPEGOAT the "white woman"----claiming their ancestors were tricked and robbed of their true identity by her.
They will be nearly white and completely and UTTERLY damned.
And all that they will want---as my Arab father did----is AFRICA.
But Africa will reject them; as they rejected themselves.
And my father died a heroin addict, completely shattered by that rejection and his FIGHT for Africa and his belonging "nowhere"---------not even his wife (my charcoal mother) really loved and accepted him. She wouldn't speak to us. (don't know if you've read the book yet).
But I truly LOVE...truly, truly LOVE Black Americans.
The thing is...my work requires that I be willing to be HATED by them in order to tell them the truth; which is how I love them.
It's very painful, but there is the chance that one of my "seedlings" might become a forest somewhere. So as a mother---I keep planting.
AAs have no idea---they couldn't possibly---how much I LOVE them.
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Brownbeauty123
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I remember reading in a magazine that referred to Beyonce as being "darkskinned"--my mouth dropped to the floor! If she's darkskin than where does that leave the rest of Black women who are by far much darker than her.. |
Brownbeauty123
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Rashida and Kidada Jones are average looking. Frequently, mixed race women just HAVE to be perceived as gorgeous at any cost because they possess visual cues that Blacks have been programmed to think as being the most attractive (light eyes, lightskin, straight hair texture)--but if you look pass that, they are attractive but not raving beauties. |
Moonsigns
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Rashida and Kidada Jones, in my opinion, are a bit better looking than the average woman. And, I think Kidada is prettier than Rashida.
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Kola_boof
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Exactly Brownbeauty.
I was on British television last night (morning for them) and I had my "new look"----and the feedback from Brittons was that I AM a raving beauty.
And I really don't even think I looked that hot---in fact, I'm waiting on the video to be emailed to me now, so I'll so show you when I can.
But the British are now coming here to make a documentary about me---and they kept raving that I look like a supermodel.
Such a huge difference in response than from American media ("she'd be pretty if she was lighter"). This country really is racist.
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Grind
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That's AMERICAN BULLSHIT that he has accepted, because his lineage is the "slave descendent"-----therefore, like his Master, he refuses to acknowledge or respect what a BLACK PERSON is--he advances his Master's belief that anyone containing a "drop" is black----totally ignoring that you could put Halle Berry in a room full of Tanzanians and they will only call her one thing----"white lady".
LOL Moron, you're the one who referred to Malcolm X and Denzel Washington as model "black men." You're the one with AN ARAB FATHER who constantly refers to herself as a black woman. Who are you fooling?
And when have I EVER expressed any belief in the one drop rule? My ideal standard for "mixed blacks" would be those who are at least 60% black African, which BTW, would exclude biracials like you.
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Tonya
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Kola, your "new look" - is it the braid/do you were rocking on the BET website? (I think it's FUNKY, btw!) Will you be posting the Britain interview tomorrow?
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Abm
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Kola,
I suppose any people will at some point wonder and ponder of what they've derived. And when such becomes so blended, such that one is Black in name only, such must on some level engender some confusion and lament for the authenticity of one's forbearer.
I recall reading somewhere that over 80% of the foks in American who classify themselves as Native American have less than 50% of Indian blood.
Is that the fate of African Americans?
And how will we be diluted?
Will we all attempt to marry up with non-Blacks? Or will we attempt to use others as mere breed stock? To be used and then discard when our prized biracial child doth spring from the womb.
Perhaps we'll resort to PAYING Whites, Asians and others for the privilege of making children who are less Black than we are?
Pardon me as I speculate aloud here...
Mother. How you heart must ache for that errant child who doth ignore, reject and revile you so. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 04:20 pm: |
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GRIND,
What baffles me...is that I always end up cussing at you and you're one of my favorite posters.
Sorry I pissed you off, King.
Let me just take time to say that I GENERALLY agree with most of what you post (including that I'm a mixie myself), and I'd rather not fight with you over small stuff.
Time and necessity will make my points in what I'm getting at in this case.
HI TONYA 
Those aren't braids, those are dreadlocks---and yes, I am rocking a very LONG dreadlock wig, Rust Brown (it's light).
I don't look like Kola Boof "to me" with the wig on....so it's the perfect disguise.
I hope to post the British morning show footage today or tonight.
You may have to download it. Not sure how they will be sending it.
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Abm
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Funny you all mention Quincy Jones biracial children.
I recall seeing Tupac condemn Quincy Jones because Jones refuses to date and marry Black women.
Then what does 'Pac do: Gets engaged to the Kidada Jones, the living RESULT of Quincy deification of White women.
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Kola_boof
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ABM,
Since slavery ended in 1865, the Black Americans have tenaciously BRED OUT by whatever means they could.
That "Biracial" child will soon complain, too, of being too stifled by the stigma of blackness.
At this moment, Biracial children (by white women) are 80% likely to marry Non-black. And because they are that much more white....it's impossible to expect them not to identify with their whiteness (and its privileages).
It IS better to be white. So Biracial children can't help but turn out like Mariah Carey, Vin Diesel, The Rock.
Notice they all syphon black culture----but they all breed/date NON-black, almost exclusively.
When Mariah did date a black man, he was WHITE. HA HA!
The breeding, the RACE to attain whiteness....doesn't end...until you're WHITE.
Just ask the Italians of Northern Italy.
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Abm
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Although, I gottah keep it all real for a sec: I can understand a brotha getting some serious WOOD for him some hot-young, vintage early 1970's Peggy Lipton (Rashida and Kidada's moms).
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Abm
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Kola,
I agree that biracial tend to not have much of a problem being considered Black when it suit some interests of theirs.
My initial inclination is to not give a dayam whether Tiger Woods, Vin Diesel, Mariah Scary, Derrick Jeter or the Rock consider themselves Black.
I'm not disputing anything you say about them. Or about how they influence our perceptions about color and race.
But I admit it is difficult for me to go to the next step of ACTIVELY disqualifying them as being Black.
And I think many who agree with all you say will struggle with THAT. |
Moonsigns
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Abm:
"But I admit it is difficult for me to go to the next step of ACTIVELY disqualifying them as being Black."
Moonsigns:
Interesting. Why do you think your emotions regarding this matter are so conflicted?
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Abm
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Moonsigns,
How I (and most) African American have been raised. The ol' 'one drop' rule.
This is greatly complicated by the fact that most of us probably have dear friends and relatives who are very White-like in appearance. So taking a position that would essentially disenfranchise them of Blackness is not something many of us are going to easily jibe with. |
Brownbeauty123
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Tupac later apologized for those comments he made regarding Quincy Jones and his relationships with White women.
And Tupac was just using Kidada so that he could get better connections through her father in the industry. While he was pretending to be with her, he was still running through all kinds of different women.
Not to mention, after his death Kidada went around saying that Tupac was her fiance, which is a straight-up lie. None of his close friends ever recall him having any intentions of marrying her. |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
I thought that would be your response --and I feel strongly that most AA's feel the same way you do.
Like I've always wrote: America is not Africa and Africa is not America. Two totally different cultures. Period. |
Brownbeauty123
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Moonsigns, do you and your husband raise your biracial children to identify as Black? |
Kola_boof
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ABM:
Moonsigns,
How I (and most) African American have been raised. The ol' 'one drop' rule.
This is greatly complicated by the fact that most of us probably have dear friends and relatives who are very White-like in appearance. So taking a position that would essentially disenfranchise them of Blackness is not something many of us are going to easily jibe with.
KOLA:
But you came along MOSTLY during and after "segregation" in this country.
This nation is rapidly changing. 15 years ago, you wouldn't have dreamed of hearing "mixies" declare their independence from the black race.
You also wouldn't have dreamed of an "Afro-Carribean" invision of Blacks/Mulattos who violently oppose the one drop rule.
And as well, ABM...you would never have invisioned that "Black" Black Americans would begin having gatherings (as they have) to discuss exactly how they're going to combat the Latino invasion and retain their black cultural identity.
The assumption was that it would just survive on its own---but in reality, the black community is being decimated and SCATTERED.
People like Moonsigns, who really are the "enemy" but don't realize it, have a vested interested in protecting and denying this situation---because without it----"people of color" will overtake and rule White supremacy. Therefore, there must be a bottom group---the authentic blacks, which in THIS country---would be my sons and your daughters.
And in other words, nothing has changed since 1865.
If you really think about what I'm saying, it's already crystal clear all around us---but like you said----we wouldn't want to offend or disrupt our ties to those of our blood/family who are WHITE-LIKE. We defer to them....and with each decade, our identity becomes more and more Watered down for it.
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Inyaniso
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"America is not Africa and Africa is not America. Two totally different cultures. Period"
Moonsigns your post was very interesting for many reasons. Firstly I do not believe that there has EVER been anyone who has claimed that that Africa is America or vice versa. So if this is something you have always been writing I am concerned about you and the imaginary person you have been giving geography and history lessons to.
"Two totally different cultures. Period"
If by 'America' you are referring to The United States, I am not sure which two cultures you are referring to. When you were last on the continent of Africa (which country by the way?) did you meet the hundreds if not thousands of Black Americans who live there and loudly proclaim the almost eerie kinship they feel?
Yet, you Moonsigns feel that you are in the position to discount what these Black Americans have to say and what they have experienced. You are, or so you believe, able to articulate both African culture and African American culture better than Africans and Black Americans.
I truly do appreciate people yourself though. You give credence where there was only speculation.
White supremacy truly is a mental illness
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Brownbeauty123
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ABM, it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to view a friend or family member with their *true* and correct identity. People marry outside their race/culture/religion all the time and don't think twice about. It's not impossible to sustain a healthy relationship with a family member/friend who identifies with a different racial background from you. Some ppl have Whites, Asians, Indians etc by marriage in their family--what's the big deal? |
Moonsigns
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Brownbeauty,
No. But we also don't raise them to identify as Biracial, either. Their Biracial identity, just like being White or Black, is more than obvious to them. And our families, immediate and extended, are involved in their lives. Therefore, their sense of normalcy is multicultural and colorful --as people in our family vary in color from pale white to very, very dark-skin black. It's normal to them --and it's family. People love their families, and we are no different than anyone else. And just like Kola is adamant regarding "authentic" Africans/Blacks "just being" as they are, I feel the same way about interracial couples and their families. That is every human beings right --to "just be" as God has created them. In the same breath, it doesn't mean colorism or racism is excusable, just, or overlooked because of these freedoms to choose.
I will also note that, my children, although they don't look "authentic" as Kola describes, they will never look in the mirror and see a white face. They have, and will inevitably, encounter colorism and racism. It will not be (and has not been) to the extent that some darker-skin brown/black people experience, but it is a part of life. And it would be a disservice to teach them otherwise -- as it would to make them feel paralyzed by others ignorance. It's a fine balance of teaching them when to have pride and when to have humility.
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Brownbeauty123
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Moonsigns, it sounds like you & your husband don't acknowledge race at all in regards to your children. I find that very interesting considering your husband is Black--his Black identity doesn't rub off just a *little* onto your kids? |
Moonsigns
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Brownbeauty,
Of course we acknowledge race/color --how could we not? However, it is not the driving force in our lives. We aren't unaware --because their are people who remind us of just how "different" they think we are. But we also refuse to be paralyzed by other's ignorance as well. Again, it's a fine balance between having pride and having humility.
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Tonya
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Abm:
How I (and most) African American have been raised. The ol' 'one drop' rule.
This is greatly complicated by the fact that most of us probably have dear friends and relatives who are very White-like in appearance. So taking a position that would essentially disenfranchise them of Blackness is not something many of us are going to easily jibe with.
Tonya:
There is not one of us who knows enough "very White-like" people to disenfranchise our FAMILIES & SELVES of blackness. Like BB said, if Beyounce is dark-skinned, what the hell am I? If Welswort Miller (sp) is black, what is the black man? I happen to believe that even the most nigger stock among us will not go for such, once he/she realizes what it means. And black people are picking up on this more & more each day making the niggers concerned for their survival too. |
Nels
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Tonya --
"So taking a position that would essentially disenfranchise them of Blackness is not something many of us are going to easily jibe with."
Just "disenfranchise them of Blackness" and let it go.
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Abm
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BB123,
I have no problem with loving and embracing someone who consider him-herself to be of another race or creed. That's NOT an issue for me.
Kola,
There is no deference to lighterskinned people amongst those with whom I most closely associate, at least not that which is blatantly apparent to me. When I see certain elements of colorism manifest amongst my foks (e.g., "Chile. You sure have got some nappy HAIR!"), I have and will rebut such.
But what would you have me do? Renounce and castigate all of my dearest kin/friends and declare that they renounce any claim to Blackness simply because they'd fail some reverse 'paperbag test'?
What you appear to require is that I somehow racially segregate myself from lighterskinned people who consider themselves to be Black. That is for me is an untenable position. But I think it possible my grandchildren might think (and do) otherwise.
Tonya,
I don’t know what will ‘cure’ this color-coded social paradigm we all endure. But I suspect that at least part of the cure will include blacker, darker people erecting countries, societies and cultures that can effectively defy the dictates of whiter/lighter people. |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
You really are TOTALLY misunderstanding me.
And I mean-----TOTALLY.
My Arab father had brothers---men like my Uncle Kar in Egypt who I love dearly and am extremely close to. I am certain that in America he would be considered some kind of "octoroon". Though he is not black----he is also not disenfranchised from his niece. We are very close.
I think it's completely false to suggest that just because we acknowledge someone's actual racial makeup----we can't still love them.
I also think it's disingenuous to pretend that our problems with color are more domestic/social....than they are politically, financially and national in scope----having to do with REPRESENTATION.
Hell, on a face to face basis---WHITE PEOPLE are the best damn friends, buddies a black person can have!
That doesn't change the reality of the SYSTEM, ABM.
It's the SYSTEM collectively that's the problem---not the "individuals".
In Africa, black families have members who are mixed like Thandie Newton and they still love and bond with those people--------that person is "African", because of the TRIBE....yet that person is not "black".....the BLACKS are allowed to represent themselves.
It's totally wrong that anyone has to be "disenfranchised".
And it's also extremely racist (and brilliant on the white man's part) that Black people are disabled and made invisible by having "part-black" people stand in their place.
And what about the "paperbag test" that afflicts the truly black folks????
That has not gone away IN THE LEAST!
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Tonya
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ABM:
Tonya, I don’t know what will ‘cure’ this color-coded social paradigm we all endure. But I suspect that at least part of the cure will include blacker, darker people erecting countries, societies and cultures that can effectively defy the dictates of whiter/lighter people.
Tonya:
We've done it before...right here in the USofA. That's one thing about black folks...we know how to survive. God I love us! |
Tonya
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And..
I concur with Brownbeauty and Kola. I have a white sister-in-law whom I love dearly. I have biracial nieces and nephews who mean the world to me. The entire side of my step-fathers family is Jewish and biracial. My sisters and brothers are part Jewish, though they are black enough to be considered fully black (several are light-skinned, btw). My best friend is Asian, her husband is white. I had a long loving relationship with an Asian guy who I am still close friends with. I was proposed to by a Hispanic friend and though I turned him down, we are still very close. I love all of these people. They love me & we are able to coexist as ourselves--they don't have to be black for me to love them. |
Moonsigns
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Inyaniso,
I see this is only your tenth post to this site. Therefore, if you haven't been lurking longer than you've been writing, you'd need to read previous posts to understand why I'm making that statement regarding American and African cultures as it pertains to Kola and this ongoing discussion. If you have been reading then you are definitely misunderstanding my intentions. I am by no means "discounting" or "articulating" the experiences of Black Americans, or attempting to give "geography" or "history" lessons. I'm sharing my personal views on a public message board --and have never suggested otherwise.
But since we're on the subject.....one does not have to travel outside the U.S. to understand there are vast differences, culturally, between Americans and Africans --as I'm sure many of us, inlcuding myself, have known and interacted with enough Africans to draw this simple and truthful conclusion. Experiencing this truth firsthand and "voicing" this truth does not mean that I, just because I'm white, have a white supremacist mentality, either. It's mere observation by personal, professional and social experiences that have nothing to do with my color. But, based on your prejudices, if you want to imply that it does, I have enough common sense to comprehend it's your issue to resolve.
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Misty
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i think the cure would not be telling them they arent black but instead fighting allowing those lighter skinned and mixed race people to respresent all blacks or represent the black ideal.
i dont feel we have to ostracize people from the race in order to do that or in order to end colorism.....just dont allow them to "take over" thats all im saying. I feel that denying that those people are black is very extreem. especially when you ahve people like me or people like angela davis who have lived black all our lives and been seen and treated as NOTHING but black. of course we havent been treated as bad as the blackest blacks but folks still do see and treat us as black nontheless.
this becoems even more complicated when you ahve actual unmixed africans lighter than angela davis....but thats getitng off topic....
it's also complicated when you hhave cases where your sister or brother is dark with kinky hair but you jsut happened to come out light with slightly less nappy hair. there is no way you are going to convince me that those people are different races becuase its sjut ridiculous. how can 2 people coming form the same moma and daddy be different races? This happens alot in african american families....especially in mine
if you all want to dispute that there are unmixed africans lighter than angela davis i will start another thread about it....i realyl want this thread to get bakc on topic. |
Misty
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"Yeah, I've witnessed this sort of teasing among whites a number of times. But there's really little comparison to this and what goes on in the "black" community. For one, whites don't take "colorism" 1/1000 as seriously as "blacks" do, and secondly, unlike whites, "blacks" are in reality a mixed race group and differences in skin tone (and features) among us actually correlate with major genetic differences."
I completely agree with this grind
"Also, Misty, I read a lot of race related forums and I find it interesting that EVERY race thinks that the media is biased against them. Everyone feels shafted by "multiculturalism.""
this is true because ive noticed the same exact thing.....the whites feel they're being slighted by the jews contorlling the media and portraying them in a less than flattering light....while everyone else feels they're being slighted by the whites controling the media. every race feels that they have some form of descrimination to complain about.
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Misty
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ABM
"Are there MILLIONS of White people being bred to feel wholly INFERIOR to others whose skin is darker than theirs?"
not as much as there are blacks beign bred to feel wholly inferior because someone has lighter skin.....but i have to say....anyone who hates the fact that they cant tan well when their natural God-given skin is snow white is insecure in some ways and does in some way feel inferior to those who can tan well, but no not to the same extent blacks are made ot feel insecure for being too dark. Because afterall, there is no system in place telling whites if they're too white they wont be hired for a certain job position.
but anyone trying to make their lips look larger when their natural God given lips are thin does feel inferior in that aspect to someone who naturally has full lips.
Also when you think of how masculinity is socially constructed, you have alot of white men who feel inferior because they're not regarded as "hard" like black men are regarded.....they're not regarded as atheletic like black men are regarded, white men are also stereotyped as having small dicks which is opposite from the way black and hispanic men are stereotyped....white men are basically stereotyped as little punks when compared to black and hispanic men. You also ahve to look at this ABM, our culture DOES consider dark black skin a masculine trait....So i feel that they along with white women do have certain insecurity issues when it comes to being white.
HOWEVER it's in that aspect and that aspect only because whites still have whiteness and all the advantages that come along wiht it to back them up. So no they're not made to feel inferior to the same extent as blacks. |
Misty
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"Misty - Colorism exists among all societies and in all races and ethnicities. Whites have skin tone distinctions such as fair skin, olive tone, and refer to their blonde hair, blue eyes, etc. as if it's some symbol of purity. Latinos come in all shades and their lighter skinned members are considered "better" while the darker skins are typically relegated to subserviant menial positions. Same with the Italians, Greeks, and all the rest. Colorism is not exclusive to just us Negroids."
i agree with this Mzuri except for in the case of italians....from what i heard from peole who are raised in italian culture, the darker italians are upheld in italy at least in the cae of looks. I dont know how they're regarded when it comes to anything else...but when it comes to looks, there are tons of italians who said that their families praised darker skin...some were teased for being too pale. |
Misty
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"The TOP purchasers of "skin bleaching" products are people from INDIA. They spend 5 times on bleaching what Blacks (globally) spend"
Kola, do you think that has to do with peopel of india trying to look white or more of them trying to look rich.....i read that color caste system came from the fact that people who ahd to wkr alot got dark form being outside so much....while those who were rich didnt have to work..
i heard the same aobut the japanese and the chinese in terms of trying to get their skin whiter.
plus i went on an indian messageboard one time where they were discussing this issue of light skin and dark skin and the color caste system...most of them basically agreed that they didnt want to look white white....as in "pale like white people" they simply wanted to look lighter as in light brown or wheattish skin or maybe olive skin. none of them mentioned wanting pinkish white skin liek white people....and plus i rarely see indian woemn dying their hair blonde or wearing blue contacts...its very rare.
most indian women i know take alot of pride in their hair and ive even heard soem of them say "we have the best type of hair, thats why people make wigs and weaves out of our hiar."
so maybe in idnia this has to do more with economics than wanting to look white.
now japanese and chinese and koreans are another story....ive seen plenty of them with thier hair dyed blonde or red and wearing blue contacts. |
Misty
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"In my own experience, a lot of white women I know like to "tan", and they seem to find the skin tone of women like Halle Berry, Eve Mendes, Rashida and Kidada Jones, Leila Arcieri (sp?), Nicole Ari Parker and Persia White to be the ideal. Comments like, "they never have to tan" or "it's the perfect skin-tone" are the things I hear many white women say about women with such skin-tone. My daughters get a lot of comments like this from their white, female peers."
"Accoring to the white women I know, I would say "tan" before I'd say "brown". Gabrille Union has a beautiful, rich brown skin-tone, but she doesn't look "tan" by any strech --not the way white people view "tan". And, you're right, the women I mentioned are "pretty light/pale", but there are many white women who, when they are tan, have similiar skin-tones as the women I mentioned. That is why they consider such skin-tones to be "ideal". And, in this case, Gabrielle Unions skin-tone is not ideal to them because it can never be achieved. But, I don't think they consider it unattractive, either. Many, if not most, of my white girlfriends think she is absolutely gorgeous, her skin is flawless and her skin-tone is "pretty" or "amazing" (I hear that often). I think that white women who have awareness regarding the world around them regarding racism and white priviledge don't like to comment on skin-tone or give a black woman a compliment on her skin tone because they don't want to be offensive --or give the impression that they think black people are "so different" and "unusual" that they have to comment on the difference in skin tone compared to their own. Does this make any sense? Hope so!"
See brownbeauty?....when i was in my thread triyng to tell you all what moonsigns just told you in the above 2 post you didnt want to believe me LOL. |
Abm
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Misty,
Being too pale, having a smaller dycks, etc. have NOT prevented White people from continuing to dominate this planet.
Kola,
I think Misty touches on the complexity of the issue for African Americans. A huge part of the problem with my attempting to acknowledge the racial heritage of my lighterskinned kin/friend is that I DON'T know what the HELL it is. And many of THEM don't know.
They know they're lightskinned, have red hair, freckles, etc. But they don't necessarily know where such comes from. Hell. Do I call them "Irish"?
Part of it results of closely-held, illicit family secrets. And some of it is the fortuitously eclectic blending of myriad combinations of genes/chromosomes.
For example, when my wife was a kid, she had blue eyes. Neither of her parents ever had such. Nor had any of her sibling or grandparents. The best guess is some great-great-grandfather of her's might have been some White dude and, by cosmic chance, one of his genes momentarily fired off in her.
So making these racial distinctions that you, apparently, would require is not as easy for many 'Black' people to do, even if/where one desires to do so.
And how do we make such delineations NOW? What is or will be the cut-off point of being and/or not being Black? Will be purely a matter of skin color? Or does the texture of one’s hair, dimensions of one’s nose, lips, buttock and/or penis factor in?
I’ve never argued the colorism issue was totally domestic in nature and scale. I KNOW there have been color caste systems perpetuated throughout the world for, perhaps, millennia. And I know I’ve asserted that this is as much an issue of power and economics as it is one of esthetics (if not much more so).
But I also know if I can’t even reach any consensus amongst AMERICAN Blacks on this issue, it’ll probably be IMPOSSBLE to fathom such across African and/or the rest of the African Diaspora.
You and I almost always agree UNTIL I try to APPLY your thoughts to how WE are going to actually LIVE in the here/now. It is usually HERE where you and I struggle. |
Misty
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""In my own experience, a lot of white women I know like to "tan", and they seem to find the skin tone of women like Halle Berry, Eve Mendes, Rashida and Kidada Jones, Leila Arcieri (sp?), Nicole Ari Parker and Persia White to be the ideal"
I've never really considered these women to have the perfect skin tone, & they're all pretty light/pale to me--with the exception of Halle. According to whites, they are "tan" or "brown"---?"
brownbeauty, if this is the case that you dontr see these women as brown or even tan....then me and you really have a different concept of what tan and brown is....to me halle berry is light brown, not pale in any way and those other women that moonsigns listed or all tan.
to me mariah carey is also tan....when i think of pale i think of nicole kidman, or that red headed woman from desperate housewives.
It's hard to beleive that someone wouldnt consider eva mendez and rishada tan...you don't even consider halle berry tan???????????
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Brownbeauty123
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Halle Berry defintely is tanned.
From a Black color spectrum--those women are very lightskinned with no shade of browning at all. Now in comparison to White women, I guess they are tan. I just never realized how white and pale Caucasions really are.. |
Kola_boof
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ABM:
Kola,
I think Misty touches on the complexity of the issue for African Americans. A huge part of the problem with my attempting to acknowledge the racial heritage of my lighterskinned kin/friend is that I DON'T know what the HELL it is. And many of THEM don't know.
They know they're lightskinned, have red hair, freckles, etc. But they don't necessarily know where such comes from. Hell. Do I call them "Irish"?
KOLA:
You call them MIXED. Which is what they are.
And my AA family knows they're Indian, German, Irish, Creole.
Most AAs that I talk have some "idea" of what they are mixed with. If nothing else---they KNOW they're caucasian and Indian.
ABM:
You and I almost always agree UNTIL I try to APPLY your thoughts to how WE are going to actually LIVE in the here/now. It is usually HERE where you and I struggle.
KOLA:
We don't struggle at all, ABM....
I interact with my multi-hued AA family just the way you do with yours. I am raised with the same exact dynamics you were raised by (in fact, one of the reasons I am so crazy about you is that you remind me to a "T" of my dad--you and I like the same Everything and you are very southern.).
When I name Lonette Mckee as one of my all-time favorite "black" actresses---that is not by accident. There is a difference between our "intellectual" conversation on who is black....and how I behave and live in daily life, where it's just easier for me to do as AAs do.
On this board and in my work, however, I can reveal my disbelief in it.
NOW ABM.....
What I brought up...is that it will different for our children and the coming generations.
Without segregation to FORCE mixed people to identify as "black"----and with their numbers rapidly multiplying----they no longer have to observe such a stupid and racist rule. What you see NOW...is just the tip of the iceburg....and being in CHICAGO, you're actually pretty far removed from the iceburg, ABM. You're not really SEEING first hand what many in L.A., N.Y. and Miami are seeing ushered in.
The generation of You, Me, Cynique, Chris Hayden....it's over, ABM.
And increasingly...the "dark" blacks are beginning to see that they are not well represented by the mulatto stock, that they ("the darkies") taught their "self-hatred" TOO WELL to their kids and already----messages are EVERYWHERE in the popular culture that they ("darkies") also want to Re-define what is "black".
Who ever heard of women like "Tonya" 20 years ago?? Or books like "Paradise"---which basically (and suttley) tells the darker people to separate and start over and allow NO ONE but themselves.
It's very natural and it's very African.
Without Segregation, ABM...it's also unstoppable.
And this is what destroyed North Africa, which is what I'm telling you.
IN NO WAY...do I feel that YOU or your family should change the way you interact or see one another.
I'm not telling or expecting you to do that.
I am simply pointing out that 50 years from now---everybody with SOME African ancestry will NOT be calling themselves the same group, same name, etc.
If Black Americans had truly wanted to remain ONE PEOPLE, ONE FAMILY and UNITED-----then they should have never started mixing all their babies.
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Brownbeauty123
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Times are changing.
I remember 12, 15 years ago as a little girl reading magazines, seeing interviews where Halle Berry was most often referred to as a "Black" woman...now she is labeled a "biracial woman" all the time...
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Abm
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Kola,
I think I better understand what you mean now. And as I said in a prior post, as it pertains to issues of race and color, "I think it possible my grandchildren might think (and do) otherwise." from myself. |
Abm
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Kola,
But then, how FAR will (must) this segregation go? Will you have Blue Blacks segregating from Brown Blacks segregating from Red Blacks?
And is the end result of it American manifestations of what occurred in Rwanda over 10 years ago, where you have BLACK foks killing other BLACK foks? |
Kola_boof
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ABM, you're my African King.
I adore guys like you---and I want my sons to be like you.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3145
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Kola,
But then, how FAR will (must) this segregation go? Will you have Blue Blacks segregating from Brown Blacks segregating from Red Blacks?
And is the end result of it American manifestations of what occurred in Rwanda over 10 years ago, where you have BLACK foks killing other BLACK foks?
No....that can't happen in America.
What you will have is the "VISIBLY" blacks with cottony hair....seeing themselves as the "real blacks"....and because of the BITTERNESS in the majority dark skinned females right now (women who are the future Mother-force).....a "new" Loyalty and a "new" Black aesthetic will emerge that automatically EXCLUDES anyone who the dark people fear is a threat to their unity.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3146
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ABM...the rejection and insecurity...of the dark skinned female...is going to save "black people"---just as it was traditionally HER who told us: "each one marry someone lighter than you is", "brang me some grandbabies wid good hair".
SHE DID THAT.
But now she's suddenly finding that all this time---she's been breeding the very thing that excludes and hates her. SO NOW---the tide is changing in reverse, as we suddenly see hordes of "dark black women" with a bitter hatred for people with light skin and good hair. It's becoming PUBLICLY VOCAL for the first time everywhere---as the "true black women" are finally waking up to what their mistake was.
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Sisg
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Kola call me asap! It's urgent! |
Lil_ze
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i read this entire thread. the bottom line is most black people are marrying other black people. the idea that a handful of people born of black/white unions, are somehow forming a new category or separating themselves is nonsense.
even the lightest person born of a black/white union knows they are black. white society sees them as black even if the do have "one drop". and black people (those born to two black parents) accept them as black people.
the idea that black people are some how attempting to "lighten themselves up" is simply erroneous. our women don't have a "bitter hatred" for light skin people. the only people who seem to have a "bitter hatred", not just for light skin black americans, but for all black americans, are these africans who think they can come here and tell us how we should view ourselves, and define ourselves.
keep in mind. LIGHT SKIN PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. you all better get used to this fact of life. |
Abm
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Post Number: 6321
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Kola,
Do you predict that "VISIBLY" Black women will admonish each other from reproducing with whiter/lighter men to reduce the chances of their reproducing less black-looking children?
And will they punish those who defy such a proscription via banishing traitors of blackness from their kin/friendship?
And what will our cottony haired sistas do about the myriad colorist fathers of their Black babies?
Kill'em? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3148
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ABM,
You will be shown better than I can tell you.
The fact is...there is a "type" of black woman that exists (and that is coming into being) that you don't acknowledge exists....and as the various bands get lighter and lighter.....SHE, who was once totally invisible to people like you, will all at once seem amazingly black and amazingly alien.
Of course, only her children will be "black" then.
And there's NOTHING in this world like being cursed by your own ancestors.
And yes---those myriad colorstruck black men will no longer exist, and she will have STOPPED giving birth to them--which is all it takes.
The reason that the revolution will not be televised...is because "SHE" is invisible.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3149
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And, seriously...THIS
is the person who is DISENFRANCHISED from
our ranks....
.....and no one ever comes to boo-hoo or
even lament her being DISENGRANCHISED.
This is the "SHE", the authentic Black mother,
that I'm talking about.
The knowledge of SELF that is available to
her TODAY....was not available just 20 years
ago.
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Abm
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Post Number: 6330
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Kola,
Let's hope that new Black mother emphasizes the importance of discovery, invention and productivity. Otherwise, in a few centuries or so they'll probably end up in circumstances quite similar to that which we currently endure. |
A_womon
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...read this entire thread. the bottom line is most black people are marrying other black people. the idea that a handful of people born of black/white unions, are somehow forming a new category or separating themselves is nonsense.
How many times have we heard MOOSigns say this EXACT thing? Reading some of the other posts that this person "Lilze' has posted about race and light skin/black skin makes me sick! She wouldn't dare say these things as MOOsigns so she posts as a little dumb black guy OF COURSE thinking all the while most who post would also be too dumb to recognize her silly racist azz!
People who are chicken are always making up other identities on this board, which in itself is STUPID since all you are is a name on the board anyway unless you choose to reveal who you truly are...as Kola does. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3157
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(A) most black men procreate WITHOUT getting married...so marriage numbers are meaningless
(B) In the state of California---last census----more "biracial" children were born than Black, and in Southern California, Phoenix, Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis----more than 30% of blacks were living with/dating
If only 3% of Black men were dating interracially in 2000....but the number is now 12% in 2006.....and the MEDIA is openly promoting "MIXED-ness" and not even allowing images of Black unity or Black Female Beauty (sorry, but Beyonce and the like DO NOT in any way promote Black women's beauty)....then where is this headed?
WHEN EXACTLY are black children exposed to positive messages about their blackness......and WHY is a new documentary proving that MOST black children would rather be white????
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Abm
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Post Number: 6334
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Kola,
When we first met, I disagree with you. Later I resented how right you were beginning to appear.
Now I just thank GOD you're here. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 3158
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ABM,
I admire you...JUST AS MUCH!
You're even more important than I am and you don't even now it yet.
Thank you. You always make me cry.
I find enormous strength and courage to make a fool of myself because of your "brotherly" and "manly" support and understanding.
I just want you to always EXIST...and I love everybody under the sun.
Deep down, I loveeverybody.
But I want you to always EXIST. That is what a black woman/mother IS.
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Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 939
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I have a friend who is very lightskin (he is a guy), and he says that lighter complected ppl have it harder than any other shade because they get flack from Black ppl (darkskin) AND White ppl. He says that growing up he got beat up all the time for being lightskin with "pretty hair"--does anyone think his struggle is harder than darkskin Blacks?? |
Kola_boof
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Well, his experiences certainly are real.
But still...his experiences are not "the black experience".
That's the mulatto/mixed race experience.
And though I sympathize with him, I'm more interested in Black people and our continued struggle in a world that hates/despises us much more than it does him.
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Lil_ze
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Post Number: 427
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"a woman", you can clearly see by my some of the posts ive put up where ive told moonsigns that she was nothing but wanna-be black white trash, that i am not moonsigns.
if what kola boof said is true that "most black men procreate without marrying", then its also true that MOST black women procreate without marrying also. because the majority of babies that black men father, and born of black women.
also how stupid is it to attempt to site some
documentary that allegedly "proves" most black children want to be white. how dumb could you be.
of course most black children DON'T want to be white. how the hell could anyone possibly "prove" this. people make documentaries all the time in order to get across the point of view of the people making the documentary. most black children do not want to be white. thats just a lie. |
Brownbeauty123
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Kola,
Since his great grandmother was White, he views himself as a Black man.
And he thinks his experiences really are the Black experience. He doesn't think that world despises darkskin ppl as much as fairskin ppl because everyone envies lightskin and wants to give him a hard time.
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Brownbeauty123
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There's a lightskin girl I know who thinks fair complected ppl have it much harder of all the Blacks. Because ppl HATE them solely because they're light. |
Lil_ze
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light skin black people are ALWAYS given hell by darker skin black people simply for being light skin. the experience of light skin black people is part of the black experience.
like it or not, believe it or not, light skin black people are black. they always have been and they always will be. |
Brownbeauty123
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I don't think ppl have any or enough sympathy at all for darkskin Blacks & their struggle.
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Shemika
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You are absolutely right bb123. That's part of the discrimination. The fact this culture refuses to acknowledge it. They acknowledge what they are willing to do something to protect. That's why homosexuality and everything else is given a premium over the issues of racism against dark skinned blacks especially.
They would rather validate white looking blacks for the same reason they respected Rosa Parks (and didn’t harm her) when she refused to go to the back of the bus opposed to darker blacks who had done the same thing before her and been killed for it.
I saw her in an old interview from around 1980 sounding bewildered about the fact that a black solder had been killed the week prior to the incident for refusing to go to the back of the bus and nothing was made of it.
Then recently when they were honoring Ms. Parks a white woman gave a speech and talked about how much Ms. Park's husband loved her and thought she was precious. And you know what the reason she gave that he treasured her so was? -Because she had long flowing hair. And the ww talked on and on about her beautiful hair. What she was doing was honoring her for having the image of the ww instead of for being a black leader. I think Fanny Lou Hammer (not sure of spelling) was a great black leader deserving of much respect but notice she's never mentioned.
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Lil_ze
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"boo-hoo-hoo, light skin women get attention". "boo-hoo-hoo, i want dark skin women to get attention too". "boo-hoo-hoo, why don't they pay attention to dark skin females". "boo-hoo-hoo, lets keep whining about light skin women, maybe someone will pay attention to us".
"BOO-HOO-HOO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Shemika
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Here we go with the hypocrisy again. After you just got done whining on behalf of light skin black men and dark skinned black men. The only ones you have no empathy for seem to be dark skinned black women.
Face it; you are just a sexist patsy that loathes dark skin black women. You should be saying boo-hoo - to yourself because you can't stand the thought of a dark skinned black woman being respected, let alone recognized. You just hate dark skin black women and you ain't shyt as far as the black race is concerned. You're nothing but the offspring of a redneck devil to me.
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Lil_ze
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i don't loathe dark skin women. i love dark skin females that look like:
   
these women are dark skin, and i love them! |
Sabiana
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And the probably the only ones you can count on your hand.
There not from African of course.
Then they would be ugly.
It's funny and a little sad how your mentality works.
Shemika is totally correct. You putting Gabrielle, Kiara, and Good, is a puny defense. |
Renata
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These women are hardly dark skinned.......WTF? |
Abm
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Ladies,
This dude's preference is pretty obvious. Really...Your squabbling with him about it only draws more attention to it (and him) than it (and he) deserve. |
Kola_boof
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ABM, I hope you didn't miss my response to you on this thread.
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Abm
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Kola,
I read what you said. I appreciate it to no end.
You have caused me to think and feel about certain things that I might never imagined thinking and feeling about.
And (although the source of it is a tad dubious) I am so happy for you that you are now getting the attention that you and your talents so richly deserve.
Because ou truly are a QUEEN, Kola...in the most grand and glorious sense that title confers.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 567
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What a shame....after all this time, this board continues to do what it does best: bullshit around with issues of skin color. And you guys complain about colorstruck "biracials"! They have nothing on the shits who come to this board every day, whining about the same topic ad nauseum, changing interesting threads back to the same old stale shit, etc., etc. These women can't possibly be that insecure about their looks that they....well, on the other hand, maybe they are. It's the AALBC Cultre Race and Economy board, after all! |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 443
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schakspir, good to see you here. atleast you are smart enough to see the total madness present on this board. all some of the posters here do is bitch and whine about skin color. i really don't know what they are trying to acheive, but thats all they do. some of these females are just so insecure with the way they look, that they have to point fingers at light skin females. they really need to get over their obvious self-esteem issues. |
Brownbeauty123
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Why don't you visit Mulatto.org and see what they discuss? |
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