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Prettybabygirl
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Post Number: 538
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:26 pm: | 
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It's just out today 
"BREEDING BETWEEN THE LINES:
WHY
INTERRACIAL PEOPLE ARE HEALTHIER
AND MORE ATTRACTIVE"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1569803064
Jay Phelan, Author of Mean Genes
Breeding Between the Lines is that rare book that is insightful and revolutionary, while remaining compulsively readable and downright fun.
Book Description
This book combines sex, race, health and genetics in a daring new theory. Written with accessible, direct prose, anecdotes, analogies, and examples from human and animal studies, it is sure to spark debate in a massive way.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:38 pm: |
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They have a lot of nerve using a title like that with a mediocre looking mixed race woman on the cover. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:43 pm: |
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BB123: "They have a lot of nerve using a title like that with a mediocre looking mixed race woman on the cover."
You mean didn't get the memo from Misty? All mixed foks are better looking than everyone else by virtue of being mixed. |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:50 pm: |
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LOL
Sadly, most mixed race people are often compared & considered more attractive than Blacks--not Whites. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:06 pm: |
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BB123,
A chick I used to date in college used to come off as this real militant, I can't STAND no gotdayam White foks type.
But I remember a Black alumae who'd married a White guy brought her baby to campus. And my girl was going on and on and ON about how especially BEAUTIFUL this very White-looking child was. 'Course that really surprised me, given all of what she'd say about White foks.
It should not surprise you to know that my ex married and made babies with a White dude.
Hahahahahahaha!!! |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:17 pm: |
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Tyra did a show on Black women who procreate with non-black men so that their children will be "pretty".
It's bad when you place so much significance on the appearance of a child above anything else. |
Prettybabygirl
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Tyra should have done a show on Black men who procreate with non-black women so that their children will be "light skinned". It's even more prevalent.
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Abm
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BB123: "Tyra did a show on Black women who procreate with non-black men so that their children will be "pretty"."
I'm not sure about this as I've neither done nor read of study of such.
But I have an inkling that this occurred much MORE amongst American Black women over the GENERATIONS than has ever been discussed.
And I'm NOT talking about sistahs getting raped, either. |
Prettybabygirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:42 pm: |
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I'm sure it has, too.
Kola writes that it did in Africa and the Carribean. Black women wanting mulatto kids to make life easier.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:46 pm: |
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ABM, I agree.
When I worked in retail, Black women were notorious for huddling around some mixed race looking baby, and praising the child's non black beauty (light eyes, good hair, light skin)...men don't usually do this.
PrettyBabyGirl, Black women usually want a child that looks non-black more than a lifelong partner that does.
For instance, I worked with a Black woman who had four children by White, Hispanic and Mulatto men so her children wouldn't have "bad hair" like she did. Later in life, she met and happily married a very darkskin and attractive Black man but didn't have children by him.
The lady on the Tyra Banks show had a two children (I think) by an Asian man, but divorced him shortly after. The lady couldn't even give a clear explanation as to WHY she divorced the man, she just mumbled some incoherent reason. She just wanted trophy babies, and that's it. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:47 pm: |
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PBG: "Tyra should have done a show on Black men who procreate with non-black women so that their children will be "light skinned". It's even more prevalent.
PBG,
That has happened...A LOT...now and over the generations.
But Kola said something awhile ago that has stayed with me for some time now: That Black foks who'd been released from slavery were much more African in appearance than we currently are now (I'll assume Kola's view INCLUDES when you factor in kids massah made with his slaves). I suspect, though certainly can not prove, this to be true.
But assuming it is, what would have caused our appearance to change so?
And before you assert that it's been mostly Black men mating with White women consider that until say, +25 years ago, that was still a very precarious, if not wholly DANGEROUS thing for a Black man to do.
And it couldn't be simply because of massah mulatto children mating with darker Black foks. Because there simply were not enuff of them to spread their whiter genetics amongst the masses of darker Black foks. That, plus, many of them probably preferred to mate with other mulattos and many even passed for White which would wholly separate themselves from the possibility of engendering future generations of Black foks.
No. I hypothesize that if we are less Black than we once were, it's probably due to many Black WOMEN (perhaps secretly) mating with White or very White-like men WITHOUT maintaining any ongoing relationships with the men. This happened AFTER slavery. These women willingly mated with these men, not via rape. And that many of those women did so PRIMARY to make "pretty babies".
After a few generations of those "pretty babies" mating with darker African Americans we as a whole have become browner and tanner.
Again. It's just a hypothesis. I've done nothing to prove such. But if we are much less Black than our freed ancestors, other what possible reason could exist for such? |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:52 pm: |
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There are more and more websites out there specifically dedicated to Black women who want biracial children or have them.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:53 pm: |
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BB123,
I would agree that Black men are no less colorist than Black women. But I don't know very many brotha who actively intend to make biracially "pretty" kids.
That's just not the kind of thing that occur to most men. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:55 pm: |
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BB123,
I think I've seen one where you have Black women soliciting sperm donations (Hell. I really don't know how the hell ELSE to describe the shyt.) from Asian cats.
I don't know what they 'spect to do with the kids father. I guess they kill'em.
*shrugs* |
Prettybabygirl
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 03:02 pm: |
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Abm and BB, I disagree with you.
Males and females act out their colorism in different ways.
Black men DO make comments like "Why is that child so dark?" after a baby is born. They DO make comments like, "She good in bed but I can't be having no black ass babies."
Black men are the ones who decide the majority of images that will be presented in the community and they have always presented images of dark, dark men and nearly white females.
It's from their images on BET or movies like "Idlewide" that young black girls are taught to hate being black and to wish for light skinned looks.
Go to any club on the weekend and you will see Black men's blatant colorism on full display.
I don't care what either of you say. I notice that most black females I see--want a black man as their mate. It's the opposite with most black men.
So I disagree strongly with both of you.
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Prettybabygirl
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 03:06 pm: |
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BB:
There are more and more websites out there specifically dedicated to Black women who want biracial children or have them.
And almost EVERY black male web site features a biracial, nearly white model or women who look like that.
They're saying the same thing, BB, and they outnumber those BW websites by 10 to 1.
Men show who they want to procreate with by posting photos of women in bikinis they think are attractive. They act out colorism different than black women.
Also, you will find way more web sites like "Nappturality" that are packed with black women trying to love "BLACK MEN ONLY" and wearing their hair natural.
Most Black women everywhere I go want a "black man" and black kids.
Can you honestly claim that about most black men?
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 03:16 pm: |
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PrettyBabyGirl,
Black women want a black mate.
But they also desire to have mixed looking babies.
The Black women who are the most affected by colorism, the ones who are told that they are "too dark" or their lips are "too big" usually result in seeking a mate that will give them children that look like what they think most Black men want: lightskin and good hair.
These women also realize the priveledges & acceptance of being the mothers of mixed race children. They get attention that they never would have recieved without them. It fills a void within them. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 03:29 pm: |
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I think we have to acknowledge that overall African American men and women are equally colorist--(black men are just more open/careless about it)--and that they aim for lighter offspring simply because they want "pretty" babies. I doubt if providing their kids with easier lives is what they anticipate most. If a person is both infantile and ignorant enough to be THAT colorist, planning for someone's future is probably not very high on their list. |
Tonya
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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Abm,
"...what would have caused our appearance to change so?
And before you assert that it's been mostly Black men mating with White women consider that until say, +25 years ago, that was still a very precarious, if not wholly DANGEROUS thing for a Black man to do. . . No. I hypothesize that if we are less Black than we once were, it's probably due to many Black WOMEN (perhaps secretly) mating with White or very White-like men WITHOUT maintaining any ongoing relationships with the men. This happened AFTER slavery. These women willingly mated with these men, not via rape. And that many of those women did so PRIMARY to make 'pretty babies'."
I HEARD OF A STUDY THEY DID A NOT LONG AGO CONFIRMING THAT THE BLACK DNA FOUND IN THE MAJORITY OF MIXED PEOPLE ARE FROM BLACK MEN. IF SO, YOUR HYPOTHESIS IS BLOWN RIGHT OUT OF THE WATER.
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Prettybabygirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:00 pm: |
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Tonya, I can't believe you made this silly statement:
If a person is both infantile and ignorant enough to be THAT colorist, planning for someone's future is probably not very high on their list.
I happen to know of many highly educated University people (black people) who will say that it's more practical to produce children who will be "corporate ready", "financially marketable" with the right coloring, hair texture and the right name (not Shaniqua).
You are crazy if you think upper class blacks don't deliberately shoot for the lightest children who will be more socially, academically and professionally acceptable.
Looks do not always equal status, but coloring usually does.
To all of you, I have to steal from Kola again.
Kola:
If Black men publicly promoted chocolate-skinned honies with big fros and Afrocentric mindsets, then every black woman in America would suddenly trash her blond dye and straightening comb and try to look as Black as possible.
The 1960's is proof that Black women FOLLOW the directives of Black men and not the other way around. The straightening comb, for instance, was invented by a Black woman who said in countless interviews that Black women were "sad and depressed" about Black men complaining about their knotty heads and making up songs praising the "mulattas" and their "good hair".
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Prettybabygirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:05 pm: |
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Abm is right that before 1980, almost all "mixed" blood was from Black women and White men mixing.
However, the number of them mixing was like 80% lower than the number of Black men and White women mixing today.
Black men are mating with WW at a rate 300 times what Black women did.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:07 pm: |
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What is the deep rooted cause for black men dating with white women so much? |
Prettybabygirl
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What is the deep rooted cause for WHITE MEN dating with white women so much?
There is your answer.
Think about it.
The white woman is the "symbol" of womanhood and beauty in America.
All men, not just "black" ones, want to get the ultimate trophy.
Don't Asian women wear fake contacts, blond hair and cut their eyes open to look more white?
Latinas like Christina A. try to look as White as possible.
This not just "black" women. All women in our culture are made to feel inferior to a white image.
They now have a study showing that little Mexican girls also choose a "white doll" over a Mexican doll.
What about all that BB?
Black men are trying to get the #1 woman. That means the "whitest".
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:23 pm: |
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PGB,
I've never witness Black men fuss about how light or dark their kids are. And if they do, it's surely not to the degree that I've seen Black women do so.
Again. I'm not saying Black men are less colorist than Black women. I just don't think the relative Blackness of the baby is a primary focus of most Black fathers.
And who's raising these Black men to prefer lightskin?
Who's raising them...period?
It sure ain't Black men, especially these day.
How could a race of Black women...who RAISE Black men...produce Black men who loathe their color if the women themselves did not loathe their color?
Where does the blame begin or end?
It's like we're trapped in a vicious rhetorical loop of sorts. Where Black man blames Black women and Black woman blames Black man when the truth is Black man is MAKING Black woman and Black woman is MAKING Black man.
Tonya,
I was referring to our 'lightening' over many generations. Not just from one generation of Black father to biracial child.
BB123,
Revenge? |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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Ladies,
Believe it or not, not all Black men lie awake at night praying to have a Becky present tucked under their Christmas trees. |
Tonya
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But Pretty (LOL) I can't believe you made THIS silly statement:
((("I happen to know of many highly educated University people (black people) who will say that it's more practical to produce children who will be "corporate ready", "financially marketable" with the right coloring, hair texture and the right name (not Shaniqua).")))
As if highly educated University people can't be ignorant and infantile ESPECIALLY when they're using phrases like the ones you quoted and ESPECIALLY in regards to names...and come on...hair and color?? I mean, why shouldn't they be considered ignorant?? ...regardless of how much education they may have?
Chile, believe me. I am well aware that upper class blacks (upper class whites-mixed-others) can be just as ignorant as anybody else. I've seen it tooooo much to disagree, lol. |
Tonya
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...ESPECIALLY when they're using phrases like the ones you quoted ABOUT BABIES AND UNBORN CHILDREN... |
Serenasailor
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BM and BW are both colorist. Their I said it. However, BM are more extreme about it. Most Black experts will agree that most times it is usually the man that persues the women. When you see these BM with non-Black women. It is more than likely that he persued her. If you see a BW with a non-Black man. 9 times out of 10 the non-black man persued her.
What you for get ABM is that it is a trickle down effect. That is why these BW are raising these self-loathing BM. WM tell BM that they are inferior. BM tell BW that they are inferior. And BW teach it to their children. It is BM who are the leaders of our communities. As men are the leaders of all communities.
Overwhelmingly, BW desire BM. It is BM who statistically are the main ones going outside of the community. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 05:59 pm: |
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Re: the book, MMW did not like it...
http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/13/hybrid-garbage/
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 06:24 pm: |
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Also Pretty. Just because they're tossing around slogans like "corporate ready" and "financially marketable" does not mean that these people are either making life easier for their kids or planning for their kids’ future (their careers maybe but not future). The best way to provide children with an easier life is to help shape their personalities, instill the right kind of values and provide them with a solid education. I honestly believe that a good upbringing can take a person a long way. The folks you mentioned sound like they're unaware of what it means to HAVE class and proper values tho. A lot of people think that social class and having class are the same things...nothing can be further from the truth, IMO. |
Prettybabygirl
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Tonya, what you just said has NOTHING to do with the fact that intelligent, educated people want LIGHT/MIXED kids more to make their children's lives easier than for looks.
Since you're the one always posting articles about colorism on the job, at church, on insurance programs, etc.etc.etc.---I don't see how you are missing the boat on this one.
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Prettybabygirl
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Lightskinned people are more likely to have a good job, have more bank accounts, more property and be married than dark skinned people. That's why many black people don't want to burden their kids with dark skin and African features. It's more about status than "looks".
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Tonya
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Pretty:
Honestly, with the children of the educated black middle class being less likely to finish college than were their parents and grandparents, I find it hard to believe that insuring their children's future is number one on these people's list. For the ones who are colorist (and I'm sure they are many) I think it's more about doting over and living vicariously through kids that society has deemed more beautiful and more acceptable. I'm not in any way disputing that light skinned people have it easier. I'm just saying that the reason people consciously decide to have them is more selfish than it is about the kids themselves. If that were not the case, the future of our black middle class would not look as bleak.
(Of course am I implying that every member of the black middle class is colorist...just trying to make a point.) |
Tonya
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My bad. "Of course I'm NOT implying..." |
Prettybabygirl
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Oh I see what you're saying now. Yeah, I agree.
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Savant
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http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/lhr/18.3/br_10.html
Tonya, the above is particularly interesting in light of your statement that "the black DNA found in the majority of mixed people are from black men".
Martha Hodes' White Women, Black Men: Illicit Sex in the Nineteenth-Century South provides a historical window onto black male/white female liaisons that have been previously obscured and overlooked. |
Tonya
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Interesting indeed. Thanks Savant. |
Brownbeauty123
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PBG,
Christina Aguilera is a natural blonde, with natural blue eyes...
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Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 01:33 am: |
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"As if highly educated University people can't be ignorant and infantile ESPECIALLY when they're using phrases like the ones you quoted and ESPECIALLY in regards to names...and come on...hair and color?? I mean, why shouldn't they be considered ignorant?? ...regardless of how much education they may have?"
The names I can understand but hair and skin color? Not buying that. I know many black middle class folks and they have no use nor tolerance for pathological 1945 Negro values. And for those who do, you are correct, they are ignorant! Very ignorant! But do not be mislead -such thinking is not restricted to just the so-called black middle class!
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