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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2636
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:47 am: | 
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http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=crooks&comment=7392
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 550
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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I knew he was a sellout twenty years ago, when he was a columnist for the Washington Post. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 6249
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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Schakspir is it what he wrote 20 years ago that compels you to call Williams a sellout? Or is it merely his prior employment with the Washington Post (which, btw, I've been lead to believe has been a fairly LIBERAL newpaper)? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4983
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:29 pm: |
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"Sell-out" is a label a person pins on those who don't adhere to his agenda. And agendas, as we know, are always subject to being challenged. |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 554
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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To be more precise, Juan Williams was a neoconservative in the 1980s, the 1990s, and he's still a neoconservative, although not as stridently as he was twenty years ago. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4985
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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To me, Juan Williams is a moderate. Anybody who does not embrace rabid liberalism is too often relegated to the conservative ranks. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 430
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:23 pm: |
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Chris. I don't know how to break it to you...but…them friggin Oreo’s on that website you posted are nothing but a bunch of latte guzzling sellout themselves! They're sitting in their cubicles BLOGGING their 8 hours away, knowing damn well that they can't wait 'til 4:00 to break out and CATCH SOME WAVES: “Like Dude! Pass the biscotti, man!” That's the sense that I get.
Perhaps, the reason they loath Williams so...is he reminds them too much of themselves.
Me. I'm willing to read the man's book before I trash him/it. And trust me. If he doesn't thoroughly explain the history behind our fatherless culture *without bashing black women* and should he neglect to spend a sufficient amount of time discussing the remnants of slavery and the psychosocial dynamics involved in every poverty-stricken minority culture...SLAM the weasel, I will! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 6251
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:23 pm: |
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Honestly. Until he started stumping for "Enough", I had almost NO opinion about where Williams stands politically. I don't know whether that is a good or bad thing.
I guess it's that, until recently, nothing he's ever said or written has ever really resonated with me in much of ANY particular way. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1273
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:36 pm: |
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Please, please, please read his Eyes companion volume. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1274
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:37 pm: |
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Chris, what is the URL of the blog of the comments you posted? |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 737
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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I am not going to call Juan Williams a sell-out. However, I think he is just another pseudo-Black expert who decided to jump on the Bill Cosby bandwagon. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2638
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 07:10 pm: |
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Although the brother was suspect because he works on Fox News, he was acquitting himself pretty well until the big Blow up when Bill Bennett said the way to reduce crime was to abort all black babies.
He said that Bennett should apologize. Britt Hume said, "For what?" Juan looked genuinely upset and started to explain and Hume shut him up and moved on.
Jeez. It was not his finest moment. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1487
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 01:50 am: |
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tonya:
"pass the biscotti, man"...thats funny!
My cultureless azz jus got put on to biscottis a year or 2 ago. LOL! Now, that starbucks has bourgeosified the hood [in Harlem, Magic Johnson has got one on 125th and lenox]I'm now eatin biscottis, crumb and coffee cakes, flat azz sandwiches, tomatoe flavored wraps, and dem expensive azz juice/ soda things...LOL! I'm gettin my buppy on! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 444
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 05:56 am: |
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...LOLOLOL!!!! I love the cakes and French vanilla lattes too!!--with a shot of butter scotch lol! The biscotti’s are nasty as hell thought! How can you eat them, yuk! |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 399
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 04:51 pm: |
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Actually, Tonya, 'biscotti' is the plural. un biscotto, due biscotti.There's a guy in my neighborhood that is a sho nuff, born and raised in Milano wop,although he actually has papers.(wop is short for the W/O Papers designation that sooooo many of them got at Ellis Island  )
Every time anyone in the black community tries to suggest that the problems of the black community might be at least partially of our own making, and that the solutions can only be implemented by a wide-spread changing of the way that we view certain things he is immediately branded as a sellout by some.The problems that he points out are not fabrications.If black men were to just quit murdering other black men the average life expenctancy of a black man in amerca would increase significantly, and that is a very sad state of affairs. Saying that we need to knock that shyt off does not make a man a sellout. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1490
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 05:27 pm: |
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tonya...i don't eat dem...but i've tasted dem and dont remember the taste...LOL! i get the caramel machiato w/o whip! YUM!
Rus:
my problem with these folk is not that they preach self-responsibility and what they used to call "uplift," but that is all they preach.
there are certain things that we can say are common sense. if u do "right," whatever that means, you will do well for yourself. This is his message. But I would add that even doing right will not touch or change the fundemental relationship between blacks and whites.
I wouldn't call him a sellout, just limited! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 451
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 06:04 pm: |
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Yeah Rustang I noticed that yesterday when I did my spell check. It sounds so funny though to say biscotti when you mean more than one. (LOL) How have you been, btw? It's wonderful to hear from you!! ...the voice of reason. And, not only do I agree with you. I'd go even further: not every black OR white man who criticizes black culture should be considered a sellout or a racist. We should also recognize that black men (and women) aren't immune to being racist. I agree with all that. I just believe that this debate should be left to the people with the right kind of credentials. This is not your average debate. I think that it's one that will change race relations for a while. And so I'd much rather it be handled by Scholars with the proper background like Historians and Psychologists and Sociologists. I don't want every guy who may have some kind of chip on his shoulders to be taken all that seriously. Nor do I feel comfortable with it being in the hands of an Anchor who has written a few books and made a few documentaries--where are the qualified professionals? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 452
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 06:05 pm: |
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Yukio, I do the whip cream too! |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 401
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 06:12 pm: |
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I would agree, Yukio, that people need to deal in specifics rather than a vague concept like 'do right'.I would also agree that, if all a person does is point to a problem without offering particular remedies, that is very limited indeed.
The fundemental relationship between blacks and whites is not something that any individual can change.At least, not for the better.A white supremacist that commits a sufficiently heinous hate crime could conceivably alter the basic dynamics of inter-racial interaction, as could one insane black power devotee if he's both crazy enough and brutal enough.Fortunately, both of these guys are of a dying breed.My point would be that, in order for things to actually change for the better,we, as a community, have to accept responsibility for the actions of the individual members of our community, just as we hold all white folks responsible for the actions of any white guy.He seems to be trying to point out that the first step would be a short list of 'Don'ts' such as don't rob your neighbor, murder your brother, sell crack cocaine to your neighbor's children, etc...You would think that it would be a lot easier to get compliance with this list than it's turning out to be.It comes back to the parents.If I raise my children to be idiots I have no right to be suprised when they act like idiots, and I have no one to blame for their stupidity but myself.
The black community needs to hear this said on a regular basis, as it is an integral component of any lasting solution. |
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