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Serenasailor
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 735
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 02:00 am: | 
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I don't know if I spelled it right. But did anyone see the movie? The main love interest is Paula Patton. Is she Black? She doesn't look Black. I went on several different black websites and they are saying that she is Black?
What is she? Do you guys know? |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1402
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
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She proably identifies as Black --but looks biracial! Regardless, she's absolutely beautiful! |
Prettybabygirl
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 537
Registered: 04-2005
Rating: 
Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:37 am: |
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Spoken like a true WHITE WOMAN.
Kola is so right about you Moonsigns it's not even funny.
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Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 6247
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:01 pm: |
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It's amazing how EVERYONE in that movie seems quite Black EXCEPT the female love interest (oh, and, maybe Terrance Howard).
Score another one for the sociological observances of Kola, Tonya, PBG and crew. |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 551
Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:12 pm: |
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SS, please discuss the movie. This is an intellectual board, not a fucking dick-measuring contest about color. |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 552
Registered: 12-2005
Rating: 
Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:16 pm: |
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Whoops. My bad. This IS the Culture, Race and Economy board, after all....carry on, pussy. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4984
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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Who can fault this movie for being an example of "art imitating life"? From what I've seen of the trailers, this musical looks like it really captures the essence of the era in which it is set. |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 906
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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PrettyBabyGirl, Moonsigns thinks Lauryn Hill is gorgeous as well. |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 556
Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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Cynique, what really threw me off was when I heard them playing early fifties, Wynonie Harris/Ike Turner rock....while dressed in World War Two zoot suits.....in 1935....in the Prohibition Era.
I mean, it's just not enough to make an historical film that has black people in it. It has to be accurate. Spike Lee did that very well with "X". Bryan Barber screwed up. What he should have done, to make a half-way decent film, is exploit what the past had to offer. Musicians DID rap in the mid-thirties, btw. They called it "talking blues" and "preaching blues". Mezz Mezzrow spoke about this in his autobiography "Really the Blues," and includes an actual rap c. 1928.
In other words, we need to uphold higher standards when it comes to making films.... |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4988
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:23 pm: |
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That is an unforgivable sin, Shakspir. Especially since there were so many great songs from the 20s and 30s that could've been used, not to mention how the attire of these eras was flamboyant enough without resorting to co-opting styles from the 1940s! Your calling these flaws to my attention has now dampened my enthusiam for going to see this movie. There is such a thing as taking too much license. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 6253
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 01:36 pm: |
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I wonder if the problem is you have a period piece who's primary stars (Outcast) seek to sell soundtrack albums to foks who don't even want to listen to anything that was made last year, much less +50 years ago. |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1404
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 04:42 pm: |
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PBG,
A lot of light-skin women, such as yourself, identify as black. But what if she is biracial and identifies as black? Is she wrong? I think that depends on who you ask --as no one can seem to agree on what is black and what isn't. REGARDLESS, the woman IS absoultely beautiful --and she'd be absolutely beautiful (in my opinion) no matter her skin tone because she has an amazing facial structure. Period.
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Prettybabygirl
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 549
Registered: 04-2005
Rating: 
Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 05:40 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
The whole point is that yet again a Black woman could have been cast in a "Black" movie to be the love interest to begin with!
Like a typical person who is insensitive to what is being said, you just come in here and claim that as long as she considers herself "black", that should be enough for us.
Do you know how insulting that is?
Like we're just slaves on a plantation waiting for some chick who looks more like you than us to stand in our place.
Who gives a damn how beautiful she is!
Do you not ever go to a movie and ask yourself why is it that almost every black movie has no black female leading lady who looks black?
That doesn't seem abnormal to you? Yet every single white movie is about a white man and a white woman?
Three years ago I used to fight Kola down, but more and more I can see that she is right on the money.
Nobody respects a black person's "blackness". Your casual response to Serena's 'issue' is proof of that.
I may be "light skinned", "yellow", whatever, but I always saw myself as just "black" and now I'm starting to be ashamed that I'm light skinned, because now I know WHY I'm light.
Just like I know why your husband wanted your kids to be Half-white.
I guess that's OK with you though.
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Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1488
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 02:07 am: |
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while it is suppose to be a period piece, it is fundamentally a hip hop movie. That is, it attempts to use a period inorder to elevate the intrinsic qualities of hip hop[really all black music]. |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1405
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 08:51 am: |
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Prettybabygirl,
"I may be "light skinned", "yellow", whatever, but I always saw myself as just "black"..."
Moonsigns:
Many, if not most, "light skinned", "yellow" black people feel the same way. Therefore, questioning me as to why a female who looks black isn't cast in a "black movie", is a contradiction to the point you are trying to make in the rest of your post. Your problem seems to lie not with a black female being cast but rather the skin tone of the actress.
Prettybabygirl:
"Who gives a damn how beautiful she is."
Moonsigns:
Are you that irrational and insecure that you can't compliment another woman?
Prettybabygirl:
"Do you ever go to a movie and ask yourself why is it that almost every black movie has no black female leading lady who looks black?"
Moonsigns:
This can be answered two ways. It depends on who is black and what one considers to "look black". We all know that is debatable --especially among "black" people. And, second, I don't place much value on the images that Hollywood presents. The media is run by rich, white men --usually Jewish-- who greatly influence the public with their prejudices. If one is intelligent enough to take notice of this obvious trend, one should know better than to give their eyes, ears, heart, and CAPITAL to people who don't give a shyt about them--and their children!
Prettybabygirl:
"now I'm starting to be ashamed that I'm light skinned, because now I know WHY I'm light."
Moonsigns:
If you don't comprehend that, in this life, there are people who have sincere motivations and there are people who have ill motivations, that's your phuckin' problem for feeling so shameful. And, if you don't demonize BLACK Africans for wanting their children to "look like them", you can't do the same to other groups of people who want the same thing for their children. Because, remember, as Kola HAS shared on these boards, people who are "light skinned"-- JUST like YOURSELF-- are looked down upon IN AFRICA --women are only mistresses or whores, children are "embraced" but "different", hair is an issue there, too (if it's not African "enough"), and white people are seen as "abnormal" because their skin is so light --therefore, be off and go preach to the world, because it seems that Africans, like Americans, need the a bit of therapy for their racist and hateful attitudes, too!
Prettybabygirl:
"Just like I know why your husband wanted your kids to be Half-white."
Moonsigns:
I gather that you don't want other people to have the same freedoms you feel you're entitled to --because we all know on these boards, if a black man goes "blacker", regardless of anything else he may do in his lifetime, he IS a better man than those who don't! LMAO! Nevertheless, think want your silly mind wants, I couldn't care less!
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Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 6264
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 09:02 am: |
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Moonsigns,
Why is the female love interest of virtually every film (cinema, cable, tv, video, etc.) produced today staring a Black male is decidedly LIGHTER, if not WHITER, than he is?
Can that simply be mere coincidence? |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4992
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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To me, the producers of Idlewild typify the mind-set of those who think that anything that didn't happen in their lifetime ain't worthy of being upheld. The music of the 1930s and 1940s are classics and are the prototypes for today's black music and to not give them their just due is a travesty. I am sure the musical anacroisms in this film will distract me to the point of not enjoying it. |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 562
Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 01:55 pm: |
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Cynique: To me, the producers of Idlewild typify the mind-set of those who think that anything that didn't happen in their lifetime ain't worthy of being upheld. The music of the 1930s and 1940s are classics and are the prototypes for today's black music and to not give them their just due is a travesty. I am sure the musical anacroisms in this film will distract me to the point of not enjoying it.
Schakspir: exactly. These punks think that the only good things last about six months, or six weeks, and then should be immediately forgotten. They believe in nothing, revere nothing. They are a laughingstock. Just reading the reviews of this movie pin-points it as another run-of-the-mill hip-hop minstrel show, with anachronisms so extreme that they can only be a joke. Hip-hoppers don't *really* respect what came before them, let alone each other, and you see this all the time. Like Yukio said, it's a hip-hop movie, so we should know what to expect. |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1406
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 03:28 pm: |
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Abm,
Because, like I said in my previous post, the media is run by rich, white men --usually Jewish-- who influence the public with their prejudices. And while I think it's fine for a light skin woman to be cast in a "black movie" (because I think the term "black", as we know it in America, includes varying skin tones from light to dark), I don't think it's right that it's done a majority of the time because it IS unfair to black women who aren't "light". I'm aware of this. And that is why I'm mindful of who I give my money to for entertainment purposes. Money is power --and money "talks". Out of everyone on this board, I know you know this truth firsthand!
I'm almost positive that if black people who felt strongly about this issue boycotted certain movies, productions, etc. --shyt would change. However, like I mentioned years ago on this board, people want to be entertained more than they want the truth.
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Prettybabygirl
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 553
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 03:53 pm: |
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But when Kola and other African women boycotted "Hotel Rwanda", for this very reason Moonsigns, you were against it.
So which is it?
It's funny how your bullshit changes whenever you're responding to Abm.
Kola is so right about you.
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Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1407
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 04:50 pm: |
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Prettybabygirl:
"But when Kola and other African women boycotted "Hotel Rwanda", for this very reason Moonsigns, you were against it."
Moonsigns:
Yep --you're damn right I was against it! Because, I don't support people who don't want equal representation.
Prettybabygirl:
"It's funny how your bullshit changes whenever you're responding to Abm."
Moonsigns:
Yeah --and for one second I'm sure you can't logically fathom as to why. I'll let you think about it.
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Renata
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Renata
Post Number: 1238
Registered: 08-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 08:33 pm: |
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But was the movie GOOD? Screw all the other crap. I just want Andre. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 6272
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 12:19 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
For the reasons that are often cited here by Kola, Tonya, PBG and even because of your comments; I am considering boycotting Idlewild.
PBG: "It's funny how your bullshit changes whenever you're responding to Abm."
What are you inferring? That Moonsigns tries to work some kinda White woman seduction mojo on a brotha, or something?
Hahahahahaha!!! |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 564
Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 01:48 pm: |
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Seeing that the movie is set in the mid-Thirties, it would make sense to have a light-skinned woman as the love interest. Colorism was so much more obvious then. So, at least, the director got at least one thing right. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 3108
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 02:33 pm: |
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IDLEWILD TANKS AT BOX OFFICE
Was anyone else shocked to read the REVIEW in the N.Y. TIMES that actually complained about the film's "colorism"? SHOCKING!
So glad Black Women are waking up and NOT supporting this.
Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Exhibitor Relations Co. Inc. Final figures will be released Monday.
1. ''Invincible,'' $17 million.
2. ''Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby,'' $8 million.
3. ''Little Miss Sunshine,'' $7.5 million.
4 (tie). ''Beerfest,'' $6.5 million.
4 (tie). ''Accepted,'' $6.5 million.
6. ''Snakes on a Plane,'' $6.4 million.
7. ''World Trade Center,'' $6.39 million.
8. ''Step Up,'' $6.2 million.
9. ''Idlewild,'' $5.9 million.
10. ''Barnyard: The Original Party Animals,'' $5.4 million.
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Renata
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Renata
Post Number: 1240
Registered: 08-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 05:19 pm: |
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I would like to see Talladega nights. I bet it's really funny. But I'm waiting until it's on video.
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Sabiana
Veteran Poster
Username: Sabiana
Post Number: 73
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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^^ It is. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5010
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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"Idlewild" only opened in 973 theaters as opposed to the other debut films that were shown in 2 thousand or more venues. I guess its studio knew that nobody but black folks would go see this movie It will be interesting to see if its hip-hop audience will like it and make its revenues rise by creating a "word-of-mouth" hit. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 478
Registered: 07-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 01:45 pm: |
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That's what they do to most black movies yet many still manage to succeed (blacks are big movie goers & word-of-mouth is POWERFUL in the hood).
Kola, you know I can't wait to get my hands on that N.Y. TIMES review! |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1425
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 12:16 pm: |
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Abm,
You do what you have to do!  |
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