| Author | Message | ||
     Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2889 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
ABM, I'm sorry I cursed at you. I shouldn't have taken your put-downs about black mothers personally. I'm sure you're pissed at me and won't be speaking to me, but I do apologize. It's just that I couldn't stand you agreeing with Schakspir---someone who so thoroughly hates black women---and I'm so tired of the weak ass men who denigrate Alice Walker and myself. I would gladly pay for Schakspir's funeral if we could have 10 more Alice Walkers. But you're my favorite person here, ABM, and I'm sorry for letting my frustration get the best of me. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5927 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
Kola, Hey. Shyt happens amongst love one. It don't much bother me at all. And I wasn't agreeing with Schakspir as much as I was asking why would he repeat your entire poem if he didn't like it. I find that ODD. All well...at least from my end.  PS: And I wasn't putting Black mothers down as much as I think that if you're going to change Black men many of our notions, habits and dogma concern Black women will have to change as well. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2890 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM, I cried over this, because I really do want you to know how much I admire, respect and appreciate those men like you that do exist. Thomas is one, too. My adoptive dad too. I should have listened to your opinion more as well and not acted so emotionally. I can be a bitch sometimes, because I'm frustrated and I over-think, and...I don't like that about myself. I am trying to work on that. What I have never done in life is "harnessed" my PASSION...and I'm trying to learn to start doing that now so that I have more "control" in vital areas such as temperment and use passion more where it's needed--expressing love for humans, supporting my sisters--not fighting and being belligerent. My career goals (and connecting better with the public) depend on me harnessing this blinding PASSION I have. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5929 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, Hey. All I know is this: Black men and Black women are struggling. And have been for sometime now. I don't see any possible improvement occurring that involves just either brothas or sistahs change or improve. And evolution of use will have to occur in concert and complement of each other. You tell me that I as Black man should do more improve the lot of Black women. I say you're right. But then I'm gone also say since I came from you then I going to need for you to be more and do more as well. And I'm going to also tell you that you're going to be disturbed and frightened by some what I must do. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2893 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM, you didn't read my post. It was about my anger management. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5930 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, This is why I asked you before which of your 'gods' must die. For example: Are you willing to surrender Alice Walker so that I might be your champion? Because, verily, you will have to. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5931 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, You often say I have not read your posts when I most sure HAVE read them and are simply expressing a view that might be entirely congruent with what you've previously stated. You know I have thoughts to express...as well. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2894 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM, you're so wrong about Alice Walker. You obviously have never read any of her actual books. She is a black woman forced out of the community who believes much of what YOU believe. She's been crucified for the same reasons Spike Lee was. Again--read my last post. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2895 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
OK ABM. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2896 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
I guess I just wanted you to know that I blame myself for "cursing/yelling" at you---not you---and I am deeply sorry. I was wrong. And it's very important you understand that I acknowledge that. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5933 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, Okay. And thanks. Though, really. It was never any biggie for me. Hell. You act like we haven't been HERE before. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5934 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, Which of Walker's books should I read that might refute my impression of her? | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2897 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
HAHA!!! It's just that I want to change, ABM. And I am very angry at myself for losing it and not hearing out what you had to say on the matter. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2898 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
"The Same River Twice", ABM...is what I would love you to read by Alice Walker. It's a POWERFUL memoir. One of the first 2 chapters talks about the pain she went through for many years---as she was accused of "hating" black men. In truth, she always adored black men and felt very rejected by them. As a "female"---she also felt it necessary for her to honor black women's life experiences. Her failed marriage to a white man (and her neglect for her biracial daughter)...will remind you quite a bit of what I posted concerning "built-in DEMERIT system". The book also details her love affair with Robert Allen--a black man, the longest relationship she's ever had. And then her lesbianism (she was lovers with Tracy Chapman). The book has some BRILLIANT ending essays. | ||
| Savant AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 100 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, I am consistently struck by your contradictions. Much of what you say I agree with but your inconsistencies confound and perplex me beyond measure. How can you hold up Alice Walker as someone worthy of admiration yet overlook in her the same colorist penchant and tendencies in her choice of mates that you so vociferously condemn in Rev. Albert Cleage (Jaramogi Abebe Agyeman), August Wilson, Bettye Saar, etc. Alice marries a white man, has a "biracial" daughter and has a long-standing relationship with Robert Allen and gets a pass from you. Yet, you consider Robert Allen---a light-skinned, "white-looking" brotha---a "black" man while labelling the much "blacker"-looking Huey Newton as white appearing? What gives? And for those of you who don't know what Robert Allen looks like, here is a link: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~africam/faculty/allen.html | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 758 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
 Robert Allen | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2899 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Savant...you too need to READ this woman's actual books, because the FACT IS---black women don't have the choices that our men do, and are most often at the mercy of our men. She is more militant, more "BLACK-loving" than Albert Cleage could ever be---and unlike all those other people you named----she writes about COLORISM openly, honestly and IN EVERY SINGLE BOOK. She doesn't deny Colorism, make excuses for it, etc. Alice never married a white man because she thought Black men looked like monkeys, shouldn't have nappy hair and can only embarrass her with black children. Quite the contrary. Black men have HATED Alice Walker because she told the TRUTH....that black men are NOT morally superior to other men....and that black men are the greatest abusers/oppressors of black women (who else can they oppress and abuse?)....and she's a LESBIAN. I put Alice with Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King, Jr. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 102 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, I've read Alice's books and am a great admirer of Alice Walker. I am reluctant however to state uncategorically who indeed is more "black-loving" among us. That kind of prescience I have neither the wherewithal or the inclination to engage in. Albert Cleage's place in history involving his role in the emergence of Black Christian Nationalism and Liberation Theology is certainly deserving of the same level of respect and reverence as Alice Walker's monumental literary achievements. Although Alice may not deny colorism, certainly one could gauge from her choice of mates that she struggles with and has unresolved issues regarding colorism. Neither I nor you can guess at her motives in marrying Mel Leventhal or partnering with Robert Allen. Neither can you state categorically that any and every prominent black person who marries a white or light-skinned black spouse does so based on a belief that black men/women "look like monkeys", the children shouldn't have black features/hair, that black children are an embarassment, etc. If your assertion and stance is that Alice did not marry her white mate with such in mind, I have to extend the same benefit of the doubt to Albert Cleage, August Wilson and any other black person whose life and works speak to their love for and dedication to black people. Whether or not black men have taken issue with Alice's stance and the content of her work is not pertinent. What is pertinent is your seeming propensity to pretty much make things up as you go in terms of your application of the hard and fast "rules" regarding the colorism issue. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2903 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Bullshit, Savant. Colorism is an arena, where Black MALES have far more power, they are the ones who use black media to perpetuate it and APE the white men they wish to be. They have also been virulent protectors of colorism. You're fulla shit when you try to pretend that Black women are "enabling" more than "reacting to" a society that HATES them more than it does black men. The ONLY challengers to colorism....are BLACK WOMEN. And they're labeled "bitter", "evil", "insane" whenever they bring up the matter. And I know that BLACK AMERICAN MEN are to blame for the black community's breakdown more than anybody else. In fact---for more than anybody else. And I believe that. There's no changing my mind. I could give a shit about Albert Cleage. I love Alice Walker. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 104 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, as with most of the pathologies that plague our community (all of them born of and sustained by white supremacy) both black men AND women have been complicit in the perpetuation of colorism. Now if you choose to turn a blind eye to Alice's obvious struggles with colorism because of her gender, so be it. But to showcase and castigate brothas for colorist choices in spouses/partners yet somehow give sistas a reprieve only serves to exacerbate the tensions between black men and women while doing little to undermine and thwart colorism. You twist the "rules of the game" to suit your personal likes and dislikes, Kola. Robert Allen is a "black man" yet others of his same complexion/hue are considered "non-black" and "inauthentic", according to your whim and your personal dislike for the person in question. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 1344 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
NEWSFLASH: Kola has all sorts of double-standards and she flips the switch to suit whatever point du jour she's trying to make. Attempting to show her the error of her ways or reasoning with her is like pissing in the wind. Just read this thread and it's evident that she's not mentally stable. She posts her bullshit rants against EVERYONE, and then she cries about it. CRIES - over her posts. The woman is a bona fide nut job. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 472 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
Note, also, Kola's responses to Savant. At first she tries (with difficulty) to restrain herself and act civilized, but note how increasingly hostile and full of unnecessary invective her writing becomes the more Savant challenges her. Let's face it--Kola is a fucking demagogue. She hates being debated or challenged in any way. The only time in which she is "friendly" to others is when they are more or less in total agreement with her, chiming in with every one of her thoughts and opinions, no matter how ludicrous. Also, note how she would never DARE show her face on ANY OTHER message board besides this one. Because Thumper's Corner is full of weaklings and self-doubting failures, who need to live vicariously through this obnoxious, patronizing, fascist horse-faced bitch, who thinks she represents every black person who has ever lived from Aesop on down. Bull-fucking-shit. And as for this crap about me hating black women, take it with a grain of salt. It is simply Kola-speak for, SCHAKSPIR (aka P. Lewis) DOESN'T AGREE WITH EVERY MINUTE LITTLE THING THAT KOLA BOOF SAYS OR THINKS. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 473 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
Mzuri, I don't think she's "crying" at all. Don't believe that shit. She's a fucking phony, a fraud, and that's precisely why I dislike her. Anybody can talk the kind of rhetoric she's talking. In fact, it has been said before, and better, by countless other black writers/sociologists, etc. It doesn't take much to scratch her skin and find a raving egomaniac and wanna-be demagogue, manipulating facts and sheer lies to stir up emotions in gullible, unthinking, sheep-like people. Unfortunately, this country is full of them. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2910 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Savant, as a matter of fact, I DO NOT consider Robert Allen "black"----however, that wasn't the issue at hand. TO YOU--he's black, so I spoke to your own coda. Forget about Albert Cleage...you're actually trying to compare Alice's life choices to those of Diana Ross, Diahann Carroll, Tina Turner, Naomi Campbell--women I DO think are colorstruck sell outs. Alice is not of that ilk. She did not "struggle" with colorism, as much as she ran away from a very abusive 1960's southern black community that was willing to sacrifice her to black men's unchecked abuse on the basis that black men had suffered slavery and been oppressed by JIM CROW and should now be tolerated as oppressors to black women. I see Alice's plight very clearly. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that you've read so much of Alice Walker's work---a woman who has vociferously raised the issue of Colorism LONG BEFORE most anyone else did and wrote about/and writes about it so passionately---and then compare her life choices to those made by men like Albert Cleage....a man who more than likely would not even admit such "behavior" exists. That's like saying Whoopi Goldberg had the same choice in black men that Sidney Poitier had in black women. It's BULLSHIT. I completely reject what you have said. I don't consider the men you've named to be of the same philosophical empathy as Alice Walker. You will never get me to compare your "Black Nationalists" or Diana Ross and Diahann Carroll....to Alice Walker. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 284 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
Honestly, Schakspir, you never said anything on this board that has led me to believe you are smart/intelligent....Educated, yes...but I'm sure you know that there's a difference. On second thought, you know what, perhaps you don't. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 484 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
Tonya, I could care less what you think of me--whether you think I'm intelligent or not, whether you think I'm an idiot or not. I have a mind of my own, and that's what counts. Unlike you. On 97% of the posts you've made, you've licked Kola Boof's ashy butt crack to fucking death. At least I can face myself in the mirror each morning. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 485 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
"Alice is not of that ilk. She did not "struggle" with colorism, as much as she ran away from a very abusive 1960's southern black community that was willing to sacrifice her to black men's unchecked abuse on the basis that black men had suffered slavery and been oppressed by JIM CROW and should now be tolerated as oppressors to black women." Alice Walker has very strong ties to Gloria Steinem, who was outed DECADES ago(by radical feminists) as a CIA agent, who in fact was shacking up with Henry Kissinger. So Ms. Walker has a pretty dodgy past of her own. And why Ms. Walker? What about Gwendolyn Brooks? Margaret Walker (Alexander)? Toni Cade Bambara? Or who I consider to be the most perceptive and articulate of the black feminists, Audre Lorde? Or Mari Evans? Toni Morrison? Verta Mae Grovsenor? etc., etc., etc. Alice Walker is a shady figure, like Ron Karenga or even Amiri Baraka(I wonder why he was never assassinated--maybe it was because he worked for Karenga, who worked for the FBI). | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2912 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
ALL of those women have been honored in my work. Not just Alice Walker, but the discussion turned specifically to Alice, who by the way, is not a "GOD" of mines. As for you, Schakspir, you're such a fucking guttersnipe. And of course, according to YOU, I am an FBI-CIA operative as well. I wish you'd stop giving me SO MUCH fucking attention---really---because you're the type of man I completely loathe. I love Gloria Steinem, another of my heroes, and I love Alice Walker. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 486 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
Of course you love Gloria Steinem. You, Alice and she work for the same Organization. Birds of a bloody feather, what! Go ahead: loathe me. Because I loathe phonies and demagogues and Rasputin types. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 487 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
And as for this attention, you should not be upset: you will thank me when you attact more lemmings to your "cause." Meanwhile, thinking people will steer clear of you. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 110 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, my beloved sista...please stop being so disingenuous. You yourself referred to Robert Allen as "black" in your post further upthread. Here are your exact words: The book also details her love affair with Robert Allen--a black man, the longest relationship she's ever had. And lets not compare apples and oranges by trotting out entertainers like Tina Turner, Diahann Carroll, etc. I'm talking about folks whose political and activist credentials are impeccable---people who have made substantive contributions to the struggle, which is why I compared Walker to Cleage, August Wilson, etc. Despite the fact that Walker raised the issue of colorism in that seminal essay that skillfully deconstructed Hurston's Their Eyes Are Watching God, does not mean that colorism didn't continue to plague and stymie Walker herself, her entire life long. Part of human complexity involves the ability to identify an issue, deconstruct it masterfully yet still suffer from and evidence the same behavior that is so valiantly struggled against. Walker's choices in mates speak to the same type of nagging colorist issues that can be identified in anyone who consistently chooses light-skinned and white mates, over and over again. If Cleage, August Wilson, et al suffer from colorism, then so does Walker. It works both ways. Neither can I or am I willing to second-guess that Brotha Cleage never grappled with or identified colorism as a salient issue. Why are you so quick to make summary judgements about what someone might or might not have "thought" or considered? Isn't that a bit presumptuous? And please, let's not compare Alice Walker's choices in men or lack thereof to Whoopi Goldberg's. If I employ the "rules" of your own peculiar colorist game, a sista of Alice's complexion and features (we won't even talk about the intellectual/cultural circles she is privy to) would have no lack of good- looking brown and darkskinned brothas eager to keep her company. I'm sure plenty of brothas darker than Robert expressed interest in her--- brothas who were academics, artists, writers, activists, etc. Alice hooked up with "high-yella" Robert Allen because clearly that's who she wanted, who she thought was fine and felt an affinity for. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 768 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Forget her color and features..Alice Walker had men chasing after her with a glass eye? | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2920 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Savant, I am NOT your beloved sister. And as a matter of fact, I DO NOT consider Robert Allen "black"----however, that wasn't the issue at hand. I call many people "black", because I'm in America (Lena Horne, Prince etc.), but I don't actually see them that way. TO YOU--he's black, so I spoke to your own coda. If Alice Walker was "colorist"---I give her credit for DEALING with hers publicly and forcing the issue with the rest of Black America....way before anyone else was doing so. She has used her LIFE to combat Colorism, SEXISM and especially FEMALE GENITAL CIRCUMCISION, which personally afflicts me. I could give a shit what you and ABM and anybody else has to say against Alice Walker. Forget about Albert Cleage...you're actually trying to compare Alice's life choices to those of Diana Ross, Diahann Carroll, Tina Turner, Naomi Campbell--women I DO think are colorstruck sell outs. Alice is not of that ilk. She did not "struggle" with colorism, as much as she ran away from a very abusive 1960's southern black community that was willing to sacrifice her to black men's unchecked abuse on the basis that black men had suffered slavery and been oppressed by JIM CROW and should now be tolerated as oppressors to black women. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that you've read so much of Alice Walker's work---a woman who has vociferously raised the issue of Colorism LONG BEFORE most anyone else did and wrote about/and writes about it so passionately---and then compare her life choices to those made by men like Albert Cleage....a man who more than likely would not even admit such "behavior" exists. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 491 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: N/A |
Kola Boof is not African-American, and she has no real authority to speak on issues pertaining to us. She should stick to her own struggle vis-a-vis racist, disgusting, fat hairy Arab pedophiles and stop co-opting our struggle as her own. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 285 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Alice is no more colorist than the majority of us, who are we fooling. As a whole, WE ARE ALL COLORSTRUCK. Some of us are affected to different degrees; that's all. The biggest problem I had with Alice's work was the role of "Shug" in the Color Purple. In real life, a yella sista wouldn't have given a damn about the dark-skinned Celie's plight. She would have continued to benefit from it, by doing everything she could to prolong it, as yella sista's do now and have done in the past. That "Sista" bullshit--the song and the character--was the only part of the movie that I could not get. I wondered why Alice chose to be brutally honest about EVERYTING else except that part. Later I found out that when she wrote The Color Purple Alice had already given birth to a biracial daughter; which, to me, explains how far she’s willing to go with colorism. Alice is one of the greats. No one can dispute what she's done for black women...with The Color Purple being the most potent. But, IMO, Tony Morrison is much better. It’s just that you won’t see The Bluest Eye made into a movie any time soon. Not with all our film makers being Creole looking blacks and colorstruck African Americans....We’ll have to wait for another Steven Spielberg or a Kola Boof. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2926 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Tonya, how in the hell is Margaret Avery "lighter" than Whoopi Goldberg? They're the same color. What movie were you watching? And of course, the book describes SHUG as "blue black", but one thing Alice Walker did not have was CONTROL of the movie or its casting. NEXT UP----you need to read the autobiography by Alice's biracial daughter, Rebecca. The book paints Alice as a neglectful mother who "rejected" her daughter and left the poor girl to raise herself. Much of which can be tied to Alice's comments about resenting that Rebecca will be treated better than she was, because of her color. Rebecca---LITERALLY---raised herself. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5962 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Tonya, Wait a minute. Are you actually trying to hold Walker as accountable for HER colorism as she (and Kola) does others be of theirs? The NERVE of you!! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 5963 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola: " Much of which can be tied to Alice's comments about resenting that Rebecca will be treated better than she was, because of her color. Rebecca---LITERALLY---raised herself." So Walker mates with a White man, births his 1/2 White child and then begrudges her own child's partial Whiteness? | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2927 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Where is Margaret Avery a "yella sista"?  And TONYA, I think you should read "IN SEARCH OF OUR MOTHER'S GARDENS"---a book of essays written in the 1970's by ALICE WALKER. This woman was damn near killed for the powerful essays she wrote about COLORISM and her refusal to accept the rampant SEXISM in the black community. Hell---I may end up married to a white man, too, before it's all over. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2928 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM---you can go to hell for taking OUT OF CONTEXT what I tried to explain to you yesterday when I made this comment: Her failed marriage to a white man (and her neglect for her biracial daughter)...will remind you quite a bit of what I posted concerning "built-in DEMERIT system". I see WALKER very much the way I see myself, and as an expert on her writing, her message, and the "image" she has presented of her ever-changing life---I put her with Malcolm X and Marcus Garvey as to how much I admire her struggle FOR BLACK WOMEN. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2929 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM...exactly what has ALICE WALKER written of her colorism??? Do you know? (NO) Would you care if this brave woman ADMITTED to and publicly purged herself and confessed her own...SINS....all the way back in 1970, when absolutely no one else would even admit that such a condition exists??? Well, that's what she did. Albeit--AFTER having a biracial child by a White Man. But she wrote IMPLICITLY about her own life experiences with COLORISM (and incidentally, she was more attracted to BLACK MEN--not white men, but the fact is---she wrote very powerfully about colorism. And from EXPERIENCE, as "I DO". That's a HELLUVA black person in my book. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 113 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
You mean Garvey, who wed the "high-yella" Amy Jacques Garvey? I guess he gets a "pass" on the "colorist" issue, too, huh, Kola? http://uncpress.unc.edu/chapters/taylor_veiled.html | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2930 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
I love Amy Jacques Garvey. She's one of my personal heroes. You have a very TWISTED idea of what I'm talking about. AND "GARVEY" I TOTALLY PRAISE IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 114 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Another pic of Amy Jacques Garvey, as an older woman. http://www.nndb.com/people/099/000032003/ajg1-sized.jpg Considering that Amy was the mother of Garvey's two sons, some folks could say that Garvey too was struggling with "colorist" issues when it came to choosing who would bear his children. I mean, if you want to play this "colorist" game, Kola, Garvey ain't exempt neither... | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2931 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
 AND...to belie my point about Alice Walker... ....I praised and expressed in my autobiography that the reason I love SPIKE LEE so much is because he publicly went on JAY LENO'S show and said that he was "colorstruck"----that he believed MOST black men are colorstruck---and that the didn't think it was right. He said all that and said that he was actively working in his life to change his views on black women and their "colors", and that this was the reason he created film roles for Alfre Woodard and Theresa Randle in his movies. He wanted to show "dark skinned" black women in ways they hadn't previously been featured in films. It's also why he made the film "School Daze". YES--he married a yellow blond woman. But he has also ACTIVELY and PUBLICLY created alternative images and SPOKEN AGAINST Colorism and set in motion discussion and consideration of the subject. He has created EXTREMELY POSITIVE images of "Black Women" in films and has represented the idea/notion that Black people should be born as "THEMSELVES". I LOVE SPIKE LEE FOR THAT---WITH ALL MY HEART, AND ALWAYS WILL. Which is the same reason I love Alice Walker. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 286 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola, please, compared to Whoopi, "Shug" is indeed yellow skinned! Not only that, she was yellow FOR THOSE DAYS. Don't forget, we were still relatively dark back then. And, trust me, the message that Quincy Jones, Steven Spielberg--or whomever--wanted to send, was not lost on me: Shug Avery was the sought after, high yella "it girl" OF THOSE DAYS. And I don't care how much she neglected her daughter (I did read "IN SEARCH OF OUR MOTHER'S GARDENS," btw)...Rebecca is still HER DAUGHTER.. ...and blood is thicker than mud. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2932 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
I love Amy Jacques Garvey. She's one of my personal heroes. You have a very TWISTED idea of what I'm talking about. AND "GARVEY" I TOTALLY PRAISE IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
No, Kola, it's YOU with the "twisted" idea, that goes through the endless machinations regarding who is "authentic", "inauthentic", who is "colorist", and so on. Unlike you, I'm not up in here dividing and categorizing black folks along spurious color lines, according to differences in complexion. The fact is that according to YOUR yardstick, Kola, Amy Jacques Garvey is not an "authentic black woman". She was light skinned and by virtue of that profited from the same colorist privilege and pecking-order that you take to task on these threads. Despite Garvey's lipservice to certain beliefs, when it came to his personal choice of a spouse, the fact remains that he chose a "yella" sista rather than a "blue-black", so-called "authentic" sista. So if we're going to start castigating and labelling folks "colorist" based on who they marry, mate and have children with, Garvey too shows signs of that same pathology, in his choice of Amy. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2933 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
No, Tonya ....SQUEAK was the sort after "it girl" of those days. You obviously haven't read the book. SHUG was just as loved/desired in the book---and she was blue black. It's silly to pretend that there wasn't a time in this country when Black women were loved and desired by black men----there actually was. But in the film ---I don't know how anyone could see SHUG AVERY as "yellow"---I really don't. She is literally CRIMSON BROWN. NETTIE who is the darkest woman in the film...is also portrayed as "beautiful" and "desired" in the beginning. I see nothing but BLACK WOMAN in SHUG AVERY. But then again, TONYA....what has Alice Walker got to do with the way Steven Spielberg casted his film????? If you want to read the entire process of how the film was made---and the fact that Alice originally couldn't stand the movie----then read "The Same River Twice". | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2934 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
SAVANT, Diana Ross, who I love, is NOT the level of Alice Walker. I still, however, see ROSS as a sellout. Mary J. Blige, who I love, is NOT the level of Nina Simone. Diana Ross and Mary J., unlike Alice and Nina, have not publicly challenged their demons for the good of their people. Can you comprehend that? CAN ANYONE...COMPREHEND THAT? Sidney Poitier and Kobe Bryant, both of whom are gifted men..... are not on the level of MARCUS GARVEY and SPIKE LEE, both of whom have worked to rectify the wrongs created by Poitier and Bryant's images in the black community. SAVANT...you keep trying to TWIST where I'm coming from, because you're not smart enough to see the DIFFERENCES in these people. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 287 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
I admit, I didn't read the book--(The Color Purple)--I watched the film; and that's what I'm going by. But Kola, CRIMSON BROWN, in those days and certainly in those corners, was considered light skinned. "Shug" was the lightest woman in the film and amongst the lightest persons. As for NETTIE, the 'pretty but dark' black woman (that message was clear as well), I'm not saying that they didn't present some dark black women as desirable...hell…even Oprah's character had a man! ...I simply pointed out that yella women weren't and aren't that sympathetic. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, you're the one who keeps throwing in "red herrings" like Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Mary J. Blige, et al. You're muddying the conceptual categories and, at the same token, questioning my ability to see the "differences" in people? All of the folks I've referenced---Alice Walker, Albert Cleage, August Wilson, Marcus Garvey, etc.----are people who have made profound and immeasurable contributions to black folks and the struggle. What you conveniently refuse to acknowledge is how you play "flip-flop" with those who you favor for personal reasons and those you are less enamored of. If Albert Cleage is colorist in his choice of mate, then so is Alice Walker. If August Wilson is taken to task for his choice of mate and "white-looking" children, then so is Alice Walker and similarly, Marcus Garvey. Ironically, one could say that Alice's "inauthentic", "biracial" "non-black" daughter Rebecca is less plaqued by "colorist" demons than her esteemed mother. Rebecca's choice of mate is the clearly brown-skinned Meshell Ndegeocello. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2935 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
TONYA, SQUEAK (Rae Dawn Chong), Harpo's 2nd woman, was the lightest woman in the movie. In the book, she had a much bigger part that focused on her being "yellow". And you REALLY need to read the book. REAL BAD--because the story takes place in rurual Georgia at a time when most of the black people in that area shunned "yellards" and "skinny women".....and there's even a scene where MISTER's father berates him for always loving..."black" women instead of getting him a yellow. SHUG was a "blue black" woman in the book----and all the men wanted her. I agree with you that yellow women are not sympathetic or better yet---not empathetic. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 288 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Now, Kola, I agree with this 100%... ____________ SAVANT, Diana Ross, who I love, is NOT the level of Alice Walker. I still, however, see ROSS as a sellout. Mary J. Blige, who I love, is NOT the level of Nina Simone. Diana Ross and Mary J., unlike Alice and Nina, have not publicly challenged their demons for the good of their people. Can you comprehend that? CAN ANYONE...COMPREHEND THAT? Sidney Poitier and Kobe Bryant, both of whom are gifted men..... are not on the level of MARCUS GARVEY and SPIKE LEE, both of whom have worked to rectify the wrongs created by Poitier and Bryant's images in the black community. SAVANT...you keep trying to TWIST where I'm coming from, because you're not smart enough to see the DIFFERENCES in these people. _______________ ...which is why I wrote this: Alice is no more colorist than the majority of us, who are we fooling. As a whole, WE ARE ALL COLORSTRUCK. Some of us are affected to different degrees; that's all. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 117 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dayum. Curiouser and Curiouser. lol Have we landed on terrain where the clearly brown-skinned Margeret Avery in the role of Shug is the "lightest woman in the film"? If that's the case, I guess Amy Jacques Garvey is "white-skinned". | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2936 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
SAVANT....let me ask you a question. Why does me calling Alek Wek an "authentic" black woman mean that I can't love Lonette Mckee MORE? You have really not been reading anything I say with an ounce of intelligence or an open mind. You keep making your own assumptions. Just because I see CLARENCE THOMAS as more authentically black than MALCOLM X (because he is).....doesn't mean that I don't love Malcolm X MORE. Malcolm X did FAR MORE for my people, and is not a "traitor" like Clarence Thomas is. But genetically--C. Thomas is more authentic. Can you COMPREHEND what I'm telling you? My "yardstick" is not how you make it out to be AT ALL, because you assume that not seeing someone as "black" means that I don't like them. I love Barbra Steisand, a white woman, more than I will ever appreciate South African singer LEBO. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2937 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
I really love AMY JAQUES GARVEY, I have books she wrote and I've studied her entire life. She is one of my TOP HEROES. NO---I do not see her as an "authentic" black woman. She is a MIXED woman. But she also fought very hard to raise the esteem and self-acceptance of blue black authentic black women. AMY acknowledged "color prejudice" and acknowledged that she benefitted from it. She also preached that it was WRONG and that blacks should be taught how to recognize the beauty in being black. I love her DEARLY, Savant, because she basically went around saying all that I say and believe. SO THERE IS NOT CONTRADICTION FOR ME. IT'S YOU WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MY YARDSTICK IS. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 289 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
See in the movie "SQUEAK" didn't have much of a part...especially not one that said much about color. So, on this, you are right. I should definitely read the book before commenting on Alice's part. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2938 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
And what does Alice Walker choosing TRACY CHAPMAN as a mate say??? What does it mean when we see Alice Walker with her lesbian lovers----and they're all deep chocolate, loc-haired black women? What does that say SAVANT? But then, of course---you don't know about Alice Walker. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 118 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, let me ask YOU a question: If that is the case, that you love Malcolm X more than Clarence, who is more "authentically black", what is the "pay-off" in the end? What sense does it make to deem a calculating, malicious, self-hating Clarence Thomas as "more black" than Malcolm? Is this the superficial yardstick that we are to gauge "blackness" by---appearance alone? Is dedication for and love of our people going to be the yardstick by which we measure "authentic blackness" or spurious factors of phenotype and color/complexion? The fact of the matter is my people---people of African descent in the U.S. and this hemisphere---span the gamut in terms of color, hair texture, features, etc. Neither you nor anyone is going to tell me who is my KIN and who is BLACK. Both Alec Wek AND Lonette McKee are my sistas, equally treasured and beloved. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 119 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, once again you dodge the issue at hand. I am not questioning the integrity of Amy Jacques Garvey who I view as a black woman. The point I'm making is that Garvey chose Amy as a mate. And if you're going to question the motivation of other renowned black men who have picked light-skinend and "mixed" women as spouses/mates, you have to employ the same "yardstick" with Garvey. In terms of Alice's choice of Tracy Chapman and other dark sistas as lovers, please understand that I don't gauge folks' "blackness" according to who they find attractive, choose as lovers, etc. My love and admiration for Alice is not affected or skewed by her choice of mates/lovers. Robert Allen---with his considerable achievements as a scholar, editor of The Black Scholar, etc---is as "authentically black" to me as Tracy Chapman, a truly gifted sista. I'm not caught up in the "color game" like you and some of your retinue, Kola. I'm just trying to point out your glaring inconsistencies. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2940 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
SAVANT--- Neither YOU, your slave master or anyone else is going to tell ME or my people who is Black. It's not our fault that you're a former slave raised for hundreds of years on a plantation, ignoring the standards of your ancestors, to cling to your master's disrespectful standard. In Africa---we have Black people and Orange people and Yellow people all in the SAME family. They are KIN and they love each other completely. But the Orange one will not be called "black" and the Black one will not be called "orange" (half-caste). Black People are BLACK. We don't have this blatant disrespect of calling Mariah Carey a "black woman" or Wentworth Miller a "black man". You express your hatred for black people, your ancestors and for Africa when you do that. Just because shirley Temple spent her whole life in Africa---working to make things better for Africans----it doesn't make her Black. Just because your slave master claims that black people are so inferior that one drop makes ANYONE black---doesn't mean it's not true. Lonette Mckee is NOT black. You and I might as well stop talking to each other, Savant----because I don't respect you and I think your system makes it possible for Blacks to be BRED OUT as you don't even respect what is truly black in the first place. Black People are BLACK. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2942 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
And it's not my "inconsistencies". It's your INABILITY to read and COMPREHEND consistently the truth that I've been laying down. You're pissed off because you're a bastard---and because I'm saying it publicly. Just because you cling to and uphold your slave master's evil racist bullshit doesn't make it true. As you'll soon---and very painfully---be finding out. In fact, the lack of unity and separation and destruction----because of TOO MUCH mixed blood---is already tearing your communities to shreds. You can't build a wall with 100 men who speak 100 different languages. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2943 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
We don't have this blatant disrespect of calling Mariah Carey a "black woman" or Wentworth Miller a "black man". You express your hatred for black people, your ancestors and for Africa when you do that. BLACK PEOPLE are "BLACK". | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 292 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
Hey Savant If you're not "caught up in the 'color game' like" Kola, why in god's name won't you just step off??? I mean, for a person that's not caught up in the "color game," you sure ask a lot of questions. And considering that color is NOT a fucking "game" to some of us, your questions are sometimes out of line. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2945 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
And let me say this one more time.... If Alice Walker was "colorstruck" in 1965 But began writing books DENOUNCING those practices in 1970 ---and admitted her own taking part in those practices ---then I do not hold it against her. And TO ME---she is a shining example of what we must all do...purge ourselves publicly, which is what she has done. Also, NOTICE how Savant ignored my very astute posts about SPIKE LEE and MARCUS GARVEY and how they were rare men who publicly admitted to being colorstruck----but still spoke out against it and set the ground for Kola Boof to exist. I LOVE any black man who admits to and condemns this condition---even if he is weak to it. If Kobe Bryant set that same example, I would love him. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 120 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Hey Tonya I won't "step off" as long as I see divisive, destructive games being played with my people, sis. Whenever I see white supremacy raise its ugly head-- no matter how skilled and duplicit the guise--I will be vigilant and respond accordingly. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2947 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
I won't "step off" as long as I see divisive, destructive games being played with my people, sis. Whenever I see white supremacy raise its ugly head-- no matter how skilled and duplicit the guise--I will be vigilant and respond accordingly. Oh Please---you desperate yellow bitch! You're not fighting white supremacy, you're fighting to protect your POSITION---the only one you have----and your PRIVILEAGES. Who else will admire you if Niggers don't? Your people came out of ME---not you. Their MINE! And all the vigilant rhetoric in the world can't stop MOTHER NATURE and the naked fucking truth. You're no match for me, Savant, because you can't even recognize how SHATTERED your people are----mainly, from following your stupid yellow ass. That's going to change. | ||
| Moonsigns "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Moonsigns Post Number: 1327 Registered: 07-2004 Rating: |
KOla: "In fact, the lack of unity and seperation and destruction----because of TOO MUCH mixed blood----is already tearing your community to shreds." Moonsigns: That's a load of shyt, because blacks procreate with other blacks more than they procreate with non-blacks. Black children are definitely being born. However, blacks don't marry and solidfy the family unit at the same rates of their non-black peers. That is the reason for the "lack of unity and seperation and destruction" --"TOO MUCH" mixed blood is not to blame--but certainly a convenient scapegoat for people who don't like "race-mixing". | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 492 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
It's so difficult for Kola to keep the dialogue on a civilized level. AGAIN--the cursing, the insults, calling people "cree-holes" and other crap....She doesn't understand that you get back what you put out. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2948 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Moonsigns, you really think I give a fuck about what some racist phoney WHITE BITCH like you has to say-----about anything? The day will come when you and yours will be dead at the bottom of the sea. You and Savant can ROT for all I care. I didn't come here for you. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2949 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
And I'm not against "race mixing". We've always had that. But in America---there's a plot to ERASE the black people---and that's partly done by claiming WHITE MOTHERFUCKERS like Mariah Carey and Vin Diesel can be "black". I don't need your fucking permission to fight for MY BLACK BABIES. The same ones that you and that bitch Savant LOATHE!!!!! Yeah---FUCK YOU!! White bitch and Nigger slave bitch! It's your children that are going to be killed! | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 121 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, you sound like a ranting, rabid fool. lol Can't you conduct a civil conversation sans the invective, name-calling, cursing, expletives? I'm beginning to think Schakspir, Mzuri and others have you pegged right... | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 293 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
Savant: Hey Tonya, I won't "step off" as long as I see divisive, destructive games being played with my people, sis. Whenever I see white supremacy raise its ugly head-- no matter how skilled and duplicit the guise--I will be vigilant and respond accordingly. Tonya: So calling an issue as sensitive as colorism "The Color Game" ...is NOT being divisive?? Frankly, Savant, I haven't seen you "respond accordingly" since you've been here. In fact, you’ve been a HUGE part of the ongoing tit-for-tat. I don’t believe for a second that you're here to do our people a favor. I think your interest is like everyone else's - purely selfish. But say it isn't and I'm wrong, tell me this. WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH BLACK PEOPLE GETTING BLACKER… ..except for it having the potential to get in the way of an "ASPIRING ENTERTAINER" ..like yourself?? | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2950 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
I AM a ranting rabid fool. And I'll cut your Cracker Cree-Hole ass. MY BLACK BABIES....are more important to me,than you and your BASTARDS. It's a new day. GOT THAT???? I love all people--but I don't want to be WHITE. I don't want your goddamned bastards sitt'n up at MY table expecting me to be impressed with their snotty faces and wet dog hair. YOU AIN'T SHIT--to me! You motherfuckers don't like my Black Babies. You try to pass these nasty white and yellow ugly bastards off as black children???? Fuck you, TOO! You goddamned Americans are some SICK motherfuckers. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2951 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
 | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2952 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
I AM NOT A NIGGER... I DON'T WANT TO BE WHITE. I DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO LOOK LIKE WHITE PEOPLE. LET THE WHITES BE WHITE. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 294 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
I AM a ranting rabid fool. And I'll cut your Cracker Cree-Hole ass. MY BLACK BABIES....are more important to me,than you and your BASTARDS. It's a new day. GOT THAT???? I love all people--but I don't want to be WHITE. I don't want your goddamned bastards sitt'n up at MY table expecting me to be impressed with their snotty faces and wet dog hair. YOU AIN'T SHIT--to me! You motherfuckers don't like my Black Babies. You try to pass these nasty white and yellow ugly bastards off as black children???? Fuck you, TOO! You goddamned Americans are some SICK motherfuckers. __________________ ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!! But don't forget, sister. Some of us Americans got your back--that's right--to hell with them cracker mutherfuckers!!! ....for many of us, it's like that. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2954 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
TONYA, I know. And believe it or not---in my "demented" mind---I don't see people like you and ABM and Toni Morrison as "Americans". I know that's not fair. But I don't. You actually love the Black human beings, you respect them and your ancestors SHOW through you. It's as though you see through all this bullshit---almost naturally. Like I tell people: "I'm not always right, far from it...but I'm sticking to my shit. To the death!" | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 295 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
From the bottom of my heart...thanks Kola. I feel blessed that you feel that way about me, it gives me strength. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 123 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Tonya, I'm not calling colorism a "color game". Colorism is destructive and debilitating---very much a tool of white supremacy. What I'm calling a "color game" is the game Kola is enacting with her "who's blacker than who?" "authentic/"inauthentic" divide. I take issue with how she plays hard and fast with her own rules, castigating some for being "colorist" while ignoring the "colorist" actions of others, all according to personal whim. I have no "problem" with "black people getting blacker" although my preference and priority is for us all to get "blacker" in spirit and sensibility rather than merely "blacker" in phenotype. What we have---a people of varied color/complexion/features, etc---is who we are, Tonya. And frankly, I have no need to genuflect before some clearly unbalanced, egomaniac like Kola who feigns love for black people yet consistently insults us. Who deemed Kola the arbiter of "blackness" and "authenticity"? lol | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2956 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
No, Savant---it is YOU who is the insult. You're a disgrace to your ancestors. The living puppet nigger of their enemy. You can stick your Phenotype up your ass. You're nothing but SNOT-yellow Niggerstock. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2957 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
And try "AFRICAN MOTHER", Savant. That is what I am. Not egomaniac Nigger bitch who misrepresents black people AS YOU DO. The ancestors CURSE you. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 296 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
((("Who deemed Kola the arbiter of "blackness" and 'authenticity'?"))) WE....THE AUTHENTIC BLACK PEOPLE! | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 298 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
So, you see, it hasn't much to do with you....No need to be sick and tired, now."Take issue" some where else--another thread perhaps--if it bothers you sooooo much.....I'm just saying, you really are free to do just that. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2958 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
HA HA!!!!!! Tonya you are too much. LMAO!!!! You know when it comes to Savant...I honestly pity that poor woman. She wastes her whole life cloaked in someone else's identity just so she can have a place of importance. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 299 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
...LOL (((..She wastes her whole life cloaked in someone else's identity just so she can have a place of importance.))) You betta believe it---nothing more than that. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 124 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Kola, the only "African mother" you are is the mother of the two sons you birthed. Don't delude yourself. | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 125 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Tonya: ((("Who deemed Kola the arbiter of "blackness" and 'authenticity'?"))) WE....THE AUTHENTIC BLACK PEOPLE! Tonya, don't you mean you and the 2-3 other fawning sycophants on this board who haven't wised up to Kola's game? lol | ||
| Moonsigns "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Moonsigns Post Number: 1329 Registered: 07-2004 Rating: |
Kola, I note how one minute you want to blame "TOO MUCH mixed blood" for the "lack of unity, seperation and destruction" that is "tearing" the "community to shreds"--but in the next--"say" you're "not against race mixing". I'm sure everyone believes you as much as you believe yourself. Nonetheless, this isn't about me (or anyone else) "not liking" your "black babies". And this isn't about what you think/feel regarding me or my family. It's about the truth of the matter regarding the root cause of the the "lack of unity, seperation and destruction" that is "tearing" the community apart --which you did blame on "TOO MUCH mixed blood". And that's simply not the truth of the matter. And we both know that. And, in America, there is no "plot" to erase black people, because many, many "black babies" continue to be born with each passing day --but SOME black couples willfully choose not to solidfy the family unit by marrying. Furthermore, you can't expect America to be Africa and Africa to be America. It will never be that way. Ever. America will continue to be a diverse "melting pot". And for someone who "says" they don't give a phuck about anything I "say", your emotional out-bursts full of non-truths "speak" something much different. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2962 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
WISH ON, Savant. Because there's a LOT MORE Kolas out here than you can ever know. But you're about to find that out in life. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2968 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Your girlfriend's impressive, Schakspir. Of course, we KNEW you were on the downlow. There isn't a man on here who would keep PHOTOS of that sick ass shit---BUT YOU. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 496 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
Actually, "it" looks a lot more feminine than you do--though I'd presume you were better hung. ;o) | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2971 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Schakspir, I've told you a 100 times. You CANNOT suck my big dick. No matter how much you're willing to pay. And stop being jealous just because you only got 2 inches | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 500 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: |
I AM NOT A NIGGER... I DON'T WANT TO BE WHITE. I DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO LOOK LIKE WHITE PEOPLE. LET THE WHITES BE WHITE. Methinks she doth protest too much....yeah, whatever, asshole. Whatever gets you through the night.... | ||
| Prettybabygirl "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Prettybabygirl Post Number: 485 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: |
Schakspir! OMG!! Why would you even post something like that? Where would you find something like that!? I can't even look at that sick mess! You are worse bro than I thought you were. You got serious issues. You "WANT" Kola to be a man, that's what it is, because you sure can't stay out of here talking to her. Month in and month out. SMDH | ||
| Fortified "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Fortified Post Number: 271 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
 |
