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Nom_de_plume
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 01:37 pm: | 
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What is going ON with this young man? He was arrested again last night for punching a HOLE in a doughnut shop window. He just got OUT of jail and is only 21 years old! It is truly upsetting to think about. Is it because he's angry over his grandfather's death or is it that he feels there's no way he can live up to his legacy? Or IS IT that he is just plain ol' NUTS?! What do you all think?
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/03/AR2006080301880. html
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Abm
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Funny how there's NO mentioning of his father.
But, alas, such is a most COMMON omission when the media speaks of wayward Black youths. |
Tonya
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I was getting ready to say, "maybe he's following grand pappy’s footsteps" because Malcolm was a juvy as well. But then I read this part:
"He also was blamed for the death of his grandmother and X's widow, Betty Shabazz, in 1997 after he set fire to her apartment. He pleaded guilty to the juvenile equivalents of second-degree manslaughter and second-degree arson and spent time in various juvenile centers, escaping at least twice but being recaptured."
And so the answer is, that fool bastard is just plain ol' NUTS!!!! |
Tonya
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Post Number: 183
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Amen ABM!!!! Amen!!!! |
Nom_de_plume
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Yeah, you don't remember that? It was awful.
I noticed that too, ABM. I wonder what his family life is like. I vaguely remember his mother having problems of her own (possibly drugs?) but it's worth looking into! Perhaps you're right - having NO father compared to the kind of man that his GRANDFATHER was could be enough to fill him with the rage that so many of your youths possess and only know how to lash out.
I hope that he can turn his life around, but I'm sure there's a special place in hell for you for killing your own grandmother. |
Nom_de_plume
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CNN Link about Betty's death: UGH!!!
http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/23/shabazz.final/ |
Moonsigns
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He's nuts! |
Kola_boof
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He wasn't born nuts.
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Abm
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When I read the myriad news stories about trouble Black youths, I often get the impression that they are some deviant spawn of some malovelent alien race that exclusively impregnates and then abandon Black women. |
Moonsigns
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Kola:
"He wasn't born nuts."
Moonsigns:
Please. All the crazy shyt he's done --it's a possiblity he was born with that way! |
Tonya
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Thanks for the read/link, Nom_de_plume.
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Robynmarie
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Abm-
The news only focuses on the wrong black youth do.
White kids are getting in just as much trouble, believe me. In fact CourtTV is covering the trial of a young punk that hacked to death the wife of a prominent attorney for no reason.
Most people prolly never heard of THAT case.
I was watching MSNBC and all they showed were black men in illegal, horrofic activities. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY or even THE MAJORITY of folks committing crimes.
"Lock Up"with John Segentaler (?)shows who really is behind bars, and it ain't just us. |
Abm
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Roynmarie,
I couldn't agree with you more. Hell. As we speak right NOW, millons of White teenagers and adults are committing MYRIAD crimes (e.g., underage drinking, vandalism, DWI, public drunkness, narcotic consumption, etc.).
Almost NONE of them will every have to fear police harrassment and/or arrest. |
Robynmarie
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...that's what I am talking about...
not to mention embezzling $$ from their companies, cheating on their taxes and corporate sexual harasssment...
The "street crimes" make the news. It's "sexy" to see a black man in handcuffs, I guess.
We even buy the myth of our own debaucery. |
Nom_de_plume
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 11:52 pm: |
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Yeah, but what I'm talking about HERE is the grandson of Malcolm X and what could have possibly gone wrong. White kids are bad and worse, who doesn't know that? Just this week a politican's grandaughter was found HOOKING on Craigslist!
http://www.gawker.com/news/crime/pretty-white-girl-saved-from-scary-black-man-19 1840.php
But this particular case is very sad. Not only his he his namesake, he is everything that's wrong with the youth today. It's scary! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 06:54 am: |
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Robyn,
Yes. The MANY - if not the MAJORITY - of today's crimes occur amongst WHITE people in business settings where no one EVER fears arrest and incarceration.
Even when foks are flatout CAUGHT stealing from their employers, in the vast MAJORITY of cases the very worst they have to fear is being fired.
The formal, active and pernicious criminalization of Black people - particularly Black MEN - is largely used as a means to delude Whites (and others) into thinking they're more decent, moral and civil than they REALLY are.
Nom_de_plume,
If a child isn't being raised correctly or has problems that are not adequately address, the greatness of his/her lineage is IRRELEVANT. If anything, the burdens inherent to his or her heritage might do him/her more HARM than good.
Perhaps THIS is what has occurred with Malcolm X's grandson. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 07:14 am: |
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Nom_de_plume,
I've read some of the stories involving this Rachel Bruno chick. I find it interesting how the spin is she's been some hapless, troubled young girl who's been manipulated and duped by some evil Black man who seduced her via the Internet.
She is 20 years old. And she and her family refuses to discuss what happened.
The REAL Story:
Bored, unmotivated White girl hooks up with a brotha that offers her some excitement and some Black dyck. Head and cQQchie get's popped so righteously, she looses all perspective and control. And runs off. She's White, female and - Horrors-of-Horrors - BLOND. So, of course Heaven & Earth is raised to find her.
And when she's finally nabbed, she plays the hapless victim. While the brotha is pretty much fuhked for LIFE.
'Tis a most predictably COMMON American tale. |
Fortified
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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Maybe brothas should learn by now what white coochie to chase and what white coochie to avoid... |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
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Fortified: "Maybe brothas should learn by now what white coochie to chase and what white coochie to avoid..."
Well. Speaking from, uh, 'perience, that's often much easier said than...done.
*shrugs*
I guess it depends on where you are. But it's been my observation that anytime a brotha bones and publicly brandish a White chick he'd better figure there's a good-2-even chance some potential Hell be about to stroll from right around corner.
Because if you view it from that perspective, at least you won't be too surprised when you're on the a$$end of a "Guilty" verdict. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 01:24 pm: |
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Abm,
(((“The MANY - if not the MAJORITY - of today's crimes occur amongst WHITE people in business settings where no one EVER fears arrest and incarceration.
Even when foks are flatout CAUGHT stealing from their employers, in the vast MAJORITY of cases the very worst they have to fear is being fired.
The formal, active and pernicious criminalization of Black people - particularly Black MEN - is largely used as a means to delude Whites (and others) into thinking they're more decent, moral and civil than they REALLY are.”)))
Aren't blacks who are caught committing "white collar crimes," or stealing on the job, treated the same way?? And isn't some of it more about class--i.e. O.J, a rich black man who got away with hacking to death two people? |
Tonya
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I just don’t get this “conspiracy” thing concerning poor blacks and prison/incar. Yeah, there are inequities like the fact that poor black PEOPLE (men & women) are likelier to be convicted for their crimes than whites, some blacks and other groups of people; and that white businesspeople profit from their incarceration; but does any of this really explain our high incarceration rate? Are we being forced to commit these crimes (which are usually against each other, btw)? |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 02:01 pm: |
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Tonya,
Let's cut the shyt and be candid: MOST human beings (especially MALES) will do some things are criminal. No amount of laws, police, courts, religion, etc. will wholly prevent such.
It's an inherent element of the human character to seek to break the rules.
The only REAL difference amongst us are the types, degree and frequency by which we'll commit some form of wrongdoing.
Perhaps <1% of us will NEVER do anything wrong. Maybe 10% of us will ALMOST never do anything wrong. Maybe the middle 80% of us, though MOSTLY law-abding, will - depend on the situation - do some shyt that wrong. Then you have have maybe +5% who are, by nature/desire, FLATOUT CROOKS.
So PLEASE. Let's stop the bvllshyt about foks "Are we being forced to commit these crimes". Because, although the minority of us are ever charged with a crime, the vast majority of us could have and likely SHOULD have been charged with a crime/tort at some point.
So from the perspective of the REALITY of what human beings are and do, I think it's not ENUFF to just assert that no one should commit a crime and then cast aside those who are nabbed and incarcerated WHEN because of race, gender, income and familial/political connetions many others are doing the very same crimes - and WORSE - and get away Scott Free with the shyt. |
Abm
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Tonya,
And OF COURSE class plays a role. But RACE/COLOR largely dictates CLASS.
So, yeah, there are some Black foks who get away with White collar crimes. But there's a much smaller PERCENTAGE of Black White collar foks to begin with. And even they're much LESS likely to get away with shyt than their White peers. (Just like White kids are MORE likely that Black ones to consume illegal narcotic but are much LESS likely to be arrested/convicted of such.).
This world ain't about guilt or innocence. It's about who's PURSED, NABBED, TRIED, CONVICTED and INCARCERATED. |
Yvettep
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Nom_de_plume, thanks for posting this. I can't bring myself to read it right now because I am sure it will just make me sad, but I will. I think this young man likely does have some serious issues. That is not to excuse him or his behavior. But the fact is that there is a lot of mental illness in Black communities, a lot that often gets written off as normal "family mess," common thuggery, or other causes.
It has been my experience that in middle class White families, often the first time a youngster slips up that family is in their doc's office getting referrals for mental health practitioners. Later, if these young people do commit more serious crimes, they are already "tracked" on the path of psychological/medical intervention and are often continued on this path as opposed to the juvenile justice/criminal path.
We need to be as savvy about using these kinds of services. I am not saying this will be a cure-all or that we should dope up our young people. But there is a serious mental health crisis in our communities, especially with many of our young people. By all means, continue to "pray on it" or whatever else folks feel the need to do. But supplement that stuff with counseling, medical screening, etc. |
Robynmarie
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Just because there is a larger perctentage of black people in jail, doesn't mean we commit more crimes. Weak public defenders, plea bargaining, wretched sentencing guidelines and crooked cops and judges are the reasons so many more of us (MEN AND WOMEN) are behind bars.
Here in California, we even have PRIVATE jails. If you can pay big $$, you can actually do your time in a dorm-like, low-security "prison." Records can be expunged, folks go back home, no one the wiser, get on with their lives.
Yvettep-
I agree with you, we have a serious mental health crisis in our communities and we are in denial, don't want to deal with it.
Particular to blacks and Latinos, that rarely makes the evening news, are the amount of young people-I mean high school age young-being murdered almost on a daily basis. Drive-bys and revenge killings are alive and well in L.A.
Sure the perpertrators are eventually caught and locked up, but what would cause a teenager to pick up pistol and blast away a life, shattering a family and a community in the process? |
Tonya
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Abm,
When your neighborhood is being ran by military styled Assault Riffle carrying ex cons & dope dealers...when your neighbor's CHILDREN--five and ten year olds--are being shot to death ON A DAILY BASIS...when you're afraid to go to the corner to cash your check...let's talk about CUTTING THE BVLLSHYT then!
What's happening around here is not some white boy shitting up a bar stool..
..it's GENOCIDE.
The EXCUSES aren't flying anymore. |
Abm
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Tonya,
I grew up on the Westside of Chicago. I have family and friends who still live there.
You can't tell me a dayam thing about Black people hurting and killing each other.
Here's one thing I know about this alledge "GENOCIDE" you refer to: The more you criminalize and incarcerate Black people, the MORE killers and hapless victims you create.
You REALLY want to address the problem: Marry a man, raise your kids TOGETHER...and support and give favor & preferences to those who do the SAME. |
Tonya
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Abm,
"The more you criminalize and incarcerate Black people, the MORE killers and hapless victims you create."
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So what are we to do--RIGHT NOW--with the killers and drug dealers that are murdering people as we speak...not lock them up? ...let them kill more people?
And look..
I'm all for your strengthening-the-black-family solution. But are you saying we do that ALONG with letting criminals roam the streets, just cuz they're black? |
Schakspir
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Penal colonies! |
Abm
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Tonya,
There are very FEW inherently criminal people. There are people who are being MADE into criminals who'd otherwise be productive and benign citizens.
So one thing we must do NOW is stop trying, convicting and incarcerating people who essentially have NOT done bodily harm to anyone, save perhaps themselves. This, alone, would LESSEN the chances of people being so irrevocably damaged - via incarceration, can't vote, can't get a job - that they become desperate and, thus, become much MORE likely do things that harm the rest of us. |
Abm
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Tonya,
We must also divine where the hell all these guns are coming from and how to stop such. And we've got to punish the hell out of those who help to PUT those automatic firearms into the hands of 16 year olds. |
Tonya
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...I don’t know why more African Americans don't rally behind the Brady Bill; in fact, demand a much tougher updated version of it.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/bradylaw/brady_pr.htm |
Abm
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Tonya,
Don't misunderstand me. I don't for a SECOND excuse or even much forgive someone who shoots and kills another, be the shooter Black, White or Yellow.
But the great resistance to ANY form of gun control PROVES the point I make that this country is HELLBENT upon some of us becoming criminalized. And that some is most dependably Black and male.
Question: Considering the MYRIAD drivebys, killings, robberies, carjacking, etc. that occur via someone utilizing guns that they are NOT legally authorized to possess and carry; how is it that we NEVER hear/read of gun DEALERS being charged, arrested and convicted for improper, fraudulent gun sales? |
Tonya
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...Answer: Because blacks refuse to press the issue (?).
Not saying you, but the only time we bring up gun control is when we want to prove it's not our fault that blacks are killing one another--"the white man shouldn't be supplying them with the guns!" ...But when's the last time you saw blacks--nationwide--come together en bloc to pressure politicians to do something more? There is enough of us to atleast call attention to the matter. |
Serenasailor
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I think it is interesting that Malcolm X wanted all of his grandchildren to be black. Looking at that little boy you would never know that he had a white great-grandfather. Unlike many black Americans who want to be white themselves so they try to make their children look white. |
Renata
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I think maybe his being raised by a mother who WATCHED her father die in front of her may have something to do with it.
I'm sure she wasn't as much "there" as mothers who didn't see their father gunned down. |
Prettybabygirl
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Come on Renata. This is pretty widespread in the black community. It seems like a lot of black mothers don't know anything about raising sons.
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Renata
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A lot of black women grow up without fathers (in the south, I can honestly say that I know a lot more women who've never met their father than those who even know who their father is, much less was raised by him), and are usually raising sons alone. It's a big stretch to ask a woman to turn a boy into a man, with little example of what a real man is.
But in this PARTICULAR case, I'm sure she probably has/had a lot of issues that even other women who grew up without a father didn't have. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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I've met my own father only twice. I have only one son and I'm married and I have NO IDEA what to do with him. He won't listen to me and he thinks he's "bigger and badder" than I am. It takes his father to control him (and he can do so without even raising his voice). He obeys me mostly WHEN HIS FATHER TELLS HIM TO. I can't even imagine what he would be like I were to raise him alone. |
Abm
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Renata,
THAT is why foks need to MARRY and then birth and raise children...TOGETHER! |
Renata
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I agree. |
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