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Tonya
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 02:58 am: | 
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OPINION
Reject the culture of victimhood (Gay)
Stop blaming homophobia and the ‘D.L.’ for HIV among blacks and turn to monogamy and responsibility.
By JEFF GANNON
Thursday, July 27, 2006
A RECENT WASHINGTON screening OF the documentary “Faces” created an uproar among local African-American religious leaders. A number of pastors walked out during a scene that showed a Los Angeles clergyman encouraging parishioners to take condoms he placed at his pulpit.
The movie, produced by Hollywood director Bill Duke, tells the story of six Washington black women, at least one of whom contracted HIV from her husband, who was allegedly infected by a male sexual partner.
It’s unclear why the pastors left before the documentary was over. but a few explanations might fill in the blanks left by a report on the screening in the Washington Post.
More than likely, the clergymen objected because the scene approved of prophylactics handed out in a house of worship. It is patently offensive to distribute condoms from the consecrated area of a Christian sanctuary, no matter the intention.
It serves only to tacitly approve of what the church considers sinful behavior so long as safety gear is in place. There already exists a plethora of other venues to communicate safer sex ideas.
A reviewer for the Post concluded the film “makes the case” that prejudice against homosexuality among African Americans is to blame for the spread of HIV. In this scenario, black men feel compelled to have secret gay sex “on the down low” and consequently bring the deadly disease home to their unwitting spouses and girlfriends.
THE PRODUCER OF the movie wants to extend the cloak of victimhood beyond the women whose lives have been shattered to include the perpetrators. But to portray unfaithful husbands and boyfriends as victims is as wrong as it is simplistic.
Although HIV/AIDS is spreading at an alarming rate among black Americans, it is questionable just how much of it can be attributed to homophobia. To do so would be to disregard the role of unsafe sexual generally, promiscuity, contaminated drug paraphernalia and homosexual prison rape.
The latter is a significant factor considering that nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at more than eight times the rate of whites. Painting a sympathetic picture of cheating spouses and boyfriends is symptomatic of an enabling mindset that ignores underlying problems in the black community.
Conditions in the African-American culture make it a rich environment for a disease is transmitted through irresponsible behavior. Young black men are inundated with glorified images of players, thugs, gang bangers, drug dealers and pimps while their female counterparts are denigrated as “ho’s.” These are not the type of role models that promote development into responsible adults prepared to enter into healthy relationships.
Perhaps the pastors who walked out of the film understand that the solution to many of the problems of black America is strong monogamous marriages based on commitment, fidelity and permanence. Unfortunately, the documentary was advancing a false premise while ignoring a tragic reality.
THE DIFFICULT SITUATION many African Americans find themselves in is further exacerbated by a national political party that draws power by reinforcing a mentality of victimhood instead of encouraging empowerment through self-determination and entrepreneurship. While that approach has produced only a handful of electoral victories, it has left a legacy of helplessness and hopelessness.
What we have learned about HIV/AIDS is that it knows no cultural, racial, ethnic, religious, socioeconomic, geographic, political or ideological limits. We also know that it is 100 percent preventable, since its transmission is dependent solely upon human behavior.
The factors that influence that behavior are as diverse as the human race itself, so to claim the sole causal relationship between homophobia and the spread of the disease is a dangerous fallacy.
It’s especially troubling to see how easily the excuse of homophobia is used to explain away a selfish lack of personal responsibility and concern for the welfare of others.
A healthy society depends upon promoting principles like these and should to reserve its compassion for the true victims, infected by partners and condemned to an uncertain future and underserved fate.
A film like “Faces” is an agenda-driven whitewash and an unworthy tribute to the women waging a valiant struggle against HIV.
http://www.washblade.com/2006/7-27/view/columns/gannon.cfm |
Fortified
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Post Number: 208
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 08:03 am: |
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I know of a male stripper who has done private parties and private dances for black male celebs. I am not going to say who (because I am not into gossip). But there are A LOT of men who are gay and are fronting like they are heterosexual men (to friends, family and the public). I have no problem with gay people, I have MAJOR issues with dishonesty. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5490
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 08:17 am: |
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Fortified,
F*gs often complain they don't reveal being gay for fear of being rejected as castigated. I wonder how much of the castigation is a PRODUCT of all the secrecy.
The real problem for many gay men is not the sex. It's them wanting to have sex other men and STILL don the mantle and garb of manhood.
'Course, how do you convince a woman you're still a manly MAN when you've had some OTHER man's dyck up your a$$? |
Rachel
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
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^^^
LOL @ Abm.
Men should be HONEST with their partners/wives. WTF? You screwing men/getting screwed, and then come home and screw your wife and infect her with it? How selfish and amoral is that?
It's disgusting.
Oh, and don't forget these broads out here who don't date anything but convicts. If he ain't been to the Penn, then they want no parts of him. Thinking they have a rough neck, lol...only thing rough about his neck is how he deep throats that 10 inch penis down his throat.
Anyhoo, they get with these jail house men, hook up and never suspect that he had a punk while he was locked down..and was screwing him everyday.
It's sad.
So I disagree. I think DL men have a great deal to do with HIV. Black women are like the highest number of new cases and for the most part they got it from a partner that goes both ways on the DL. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 602
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 02:05 pm: |
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Why is the concern ALWAYS with gay males, and not gay women?
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Fortified
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There is a double standard, darling which shouldn't be. Also, one can contract diseases more easily through gay male sex than lesbian sex... |
Rachel
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 02:36 pm: |
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Because most female to female contact does not contract AIDS. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2418
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ABM,
I'm still not convinced that there really is any such thing as THE DOWN LOW. I believe the N.Y. Times and the rest of the media made that up.
If anything....a bunch of STRAIGHT THUGS who are convinced that they're not really men until they've fucked 10 women per week----coupled with the over abundance of lonely black women and girls----make a lot more sense to me.
If you watch the amount of SEX in Black music videos; the overall "sexualization" of the hood and the number of STUDS running game and women sharing men---it's staggering.
I do not believe that there's more BISEXUAL BLACK MEN than there are in other groups.
Even if you count in the PRISON SYSTEM----there's still only 21 million Black Men in America.
There's 130 million WHITE men and 23 million LATINO men.
So who's fooling who?
The MEDIA is using the AIDS epidemic amongst blacks to kill two birds with one stone.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 02:55 pm: |
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My issue was leaning towards the double standard that it's "hot" and "sexy" to see two women engaging in homosexual acts with each other, yet for two men its completely unacceptable. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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Women are not VALUED as males are-----so it's not pandemic when two women have sex, because men see them as "exotic" (animialistic) in the first place.
The double standard comes from SEXISM.
A man has something to LIVE UP TO.
A woman has to LIVE DOWN to a man.
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Rachel
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BB123, probably because female to female is a male fantasy.
MANY males like to see two broads get down, lol...
...but I know of NO WOMEN who fantasize about seeing two men sexing each other.
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Abm
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Ladies,
The double-standard exists because manhood is judged based on women, while womanhood is based on children.
Thus, a man who sexes men can't really be totally a MAN. Yet a woman can sex a woman and STILL be considered a woman, especially if she has kids.
This double-standard is appreciated and bolstered by BOTH men and women...EQUALLY.
So, again, part of why many gay guys keep it in the closet is because they want to continue to don the privilege of being man.
Kola,
I don't know. My opinion: If a man's giving or receiving dyck to other men, he's gay. Dayam how and why he got there. |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 04:12 pm: |
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I've heard some White women say they enjoy guy on guy action. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2438
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 04:20 pm: |
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ABM, you didn't read my post.
I said that STRAIGHT MEN are being blamed for a fictional DOWNLOW.
If a man gets AIDS from 1 female...but thinks he's not a man unless he's fucking "10 bitches" a week like the dude on the VIDEOS.....now you have 10 women with AIDS.
I believe it's STRAIGHT SEX and an over abundance of THUG-PLAYERS that's spreading this shit.
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Rachel
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BBB123, You heard some white broads say the enjoy guy on guy action?
I almost threw up in my mouth. UGH. Fuck would straight broads want to look at some man's gaping asshole being pounded by another man?
Again I say UGH |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2443
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 04:36 pm: |
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ABM---men and women are EQUALLY "Sexist" against WOMEN.
Sexism couldn't thrive in this society unless everyone BELIEVED in the principles of it.
And here, BOO. This is just for you.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 04:37 pm: |
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LMFAO!!!!!!!! 
ABM, WUSSZZ YO NAME IN SWAHILI, Baby????
LMAO!!!!!
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 04:46 pm: |
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BB123,
Babe. There's are some WHITE women who'd enjoy some 'dog on guy' action.
Rachel,
Okay. But what's your general view about a man rodding out some WOMAN's "gapping a$$hole"? *wink*
Kola,
I'm sorry for misreading what you said. And I agree that some of the AIDS is being spread by STRAIGHT men bonding everything in sight.
And we haven't even mentioned the IV drug use.
Btw: I think you should send that pic to your boy Keith Boykin. "'Cause Homey don't play that!" |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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HAHAHA!!!!!!!
And don't forget to read my poem about Charles Stepney-----ALTHOUGH---there's no rush.
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Kola_boof
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ABM:
BB123, Babe. There's are some WHITE women who'd enjoy some 'dog on guy' action.
KOLA Concurrs:
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Tonya
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When a man is handling his business like a man should do--working hard, taking care of family & community, protecting his loved one's, educating him, carrying himself tastefully with class--then I see him as a man regardless of his sexuality; and I'm not trying to be politically correct. This is honestly how I feel. It's only the irresponsible, flamboyant and/or “girly-like” men that I view less “manly”...regardless of sexuality. |
Kola_boof
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Good post Tonya.
And very ASTUTE.
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Rachel
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NO ASSHOLES SHOULD NEVER BE GAPED or GAPPED EVER. Not my thing. Aside from being shitted or pissed on that is the most degrading sexual act/practice there is.
Pussy is elastic and for the most part will stay pretty snug and even if it did have some "slack" to it..there are exercises and even operations to get that "virgin" feel back into it. The asshole? Ugh..made expel WASTE. Enter it too much, you may get a prolasped colon, may have to wear a colostomy bag. NOT GOOD. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 05:02 pm: |
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Tonya,
Aight.
Let's see how you chicks respond to discovering some guy you like is shagging the cable guy.
Rachel.
Well, hell. I guess I did ask a dumba$$ question. |
Semperfemme
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 03:07 pm: |
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Spot on article Tonya, I particularly love this sentence;
"It’s especially troubling to see how easily the excuse of homophobia is used to explain away a selfish lack of personal responsibility and concern for the welfare of others."
And that about sums it up.
Abm: If the cable guy is cute, I just want to watch...with a video camera. In roughly 10 minutes I could be making 14.95 a month off of 100's of lonely fat white men. |
Schakspir
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What the fuck kind of African tribe is THAT??? |
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