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Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 624
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 08:11 pm: | 
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Do you consider Puerto Ricans Black? Even though many of them who obviously look Black they try to deny it. What do you think? |
Savant
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 08:59 pm: |
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what about felipe luciano? tego calderon?
there are black puerto ricans, white puerto ricans, etc. many puerto ricans identify as black. |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1435
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 09:03 pm: |
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Yes, No, who knows?
The first difficulty is determining what is black. As can be seen from various threads, this question of who is and is not black is itself disputable.
Vinn Diesel is not black to some, to others he is. Halle Berry again is not black to some, to others she is.
Then of course, you have to determine if you want to embrace an African perspective, where there is a range, an African American, where there is a range, and/or Caribbean, where there is a range. And often these are often based less on blood but color...
It can get quite complicated if you get caught up in this...LOL!
Secondly, that a person is Puerto Rican tells us their nationality not their socalled "race." You could easily ask if all African Americans are black...according to some people's standards of blackness, some aren't. African American means that you are black from the U.S., but what about those who call themselves blacks that are disputably black by some other folks' standards.
Was our venerable Adam Clayton Powell Jr. and his father black? Or our venerable Charles Rangel of Harlem?
They are from the U.S. and would claim African Americans [even though Powells weren't around when African American became popular I am sure he would embrace it].
It is the similar with Puerto Ricans:
Puerto Ricans are certainly of African descent. But the question is: Is being of African descent enough for some people? Often it is not!
There are of course PRs that are phenotypically indisputably black. That is, the only way to tell that they are PR is if they tell you or you hear them speak Spanish. But even speaking Spanish is not going to tell you if they are PR...they could be Cuban, Domican, Venezuelan, Panamanian, etc...
Within the PR community and the others mentioned above there had always been this long debate about whether or not they are black, especially those born in the U.S. And those that are indisputably black embrace this, though not all. And there are those that aren't indisputably black and still claim that they black.
You see, all of the socalled authentic black men many of these women mention here, including Denzil Washington could be Domican, Puerto Rican, Panamaian, etc...color and features doesn't always tell us what nation a person is from, especially what some call New World Africans...that is Blacks throughout the Americas.
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Semperfemme
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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I thought Puerto Ricans were just Puerto Ricans, which sort of makes them American I guess. I let people classify themselves, they let me know what is going on later.
The way humans are culturally diffusing (at a rapid rate no less) I can't keep up with who is what. I get confused, I offend some, so I don't even try. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5405
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:31 pm: |
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Many of them are of at least partial African descent. But they're not African Americans. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 566
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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Here is a Cuban singer by the name of Christina Millian who is often identified as being Black--even
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Doberman23
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:59 pm: |
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hmmm, that's actually a good question... i think spanish speaking individuals with prevelant african descent would be put in our category. when they come to america they are going to be considered black wether hey like it or not so i guess that if they want to be done may as well not cry over it. chirstina milian is a singer? i thought she was an actress? i mainly listen to rap so guess i wouldn't know. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1090
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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SS - I don't know. But I'll be really happy when you stop pulling things out of your ass to post here. Why don't you post something thought-provoking for a change. Thank you. |
Savant
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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the schomburg museum, anyone? |
Fortified
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Post Number: 195
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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Puerto rican is an ethnicity not a race. You can be a black Hungarian, or a white person born in Nigeria. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2364
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:55 pm: |
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But to be AFRICAN, Fortified...you must be born from the blood of a TRIBE.
Being born on African soil does not make you African----by the African people's standard.
They will not accept a white man born in Nigeria as "Nigerian". Their first question will be...."Are you Ibo or Yoruba? Ekoi? What tribe?"
In addition to having a tribe, you must have a "black motherseed's last name".
The other day...Nigeria offered citizenship to Black Americans....because they are born from 200 tribes of African people, and are therefore "African" by tribal blood.
Whites born in Africa call themselves "Afrikaners", "Anglo-Africans" and even "African"----but the Blacks don't accept them.
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Lil_ze
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Post Number: 240
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:48 am: |
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tego calderon has said many times he is black and proud of it. there is NO such thing as an african racial group. in the land called africa, there are different racial groups who all have dark skin and the same texture of hair. the aboriginals of australia are dark skin, the east indians are dark skin, the ethiopians are dark skinned, the bushmen of namibia are dark skin, the north african (morrocans, tunisians, libyans, and egyptians are all dark skin people. nut dark skin does not mean they are the same racial group. can we please not be so simple and narrow minded? |
Savant
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Post Number: 30
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:16 am: |
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arturo schomburg, anyone? |
Rachel
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 05:35 pm: |
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There are some black puerto ricans, yes.
But unlike Cubans, Dominicans and Brazilians, many black PR embrace being black. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 1273
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 08:43 am: |
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Some Puerto Ricans have brown skin, but I don't consider them "black" by American standards (because of their culture). |
Sunshinespirit
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 01:35 pm: |
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Yes culture and ethnicity says what you are...I was told by my Belizian daughter-in-law that all though they have some African blood they are not Black...she said only Black people in America who have slave ancestry are considered Black...the experience our ancesters went through gives us a different mind-set...I call myself African-American... |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2428
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 03:08 pm: |
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Sunshine,
My "husband" (children's father) is from BELIZE.
He's a Garifuna from Dangriga.
He and ALLLLL his relatives consider themselves "BLACK"----not only that, but African.
Your daughter-in-law isn't like any Belizian I've ever met.
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Savant
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Post Number: 50
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 03:35 pm: |
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My friend dated a Belizian brotha who considers himself black. There are black people throughout the diaspora: Cuban blacks, Dominican blacks, Columbian blacks, Peruvian blacks, etc.
Why is there a different yardstick for blacks due to ethnicity or nationality when no such yardstick holds for whites? Are Finns no longer "white" because their culture might differ from Greeks or Germans or the French? Do white Americans consider
Estonians or Sami, French or Portuguese not "white" because of cultural differences?
Why does "white" embrace nationalities as disparate as Swede, German, Irish, French, Albanian, etc yet people who have African ancestry in the Western hemisphere---all of them dispersed via the slave trade---somehow miraculously cease to be "black"? Why does nationality---being Cuban, Dominican, Venezuelan, Brazilian---trump "race" only in regards to black folks? And oddly enough, only when the language spoken is Spanish or Portuguese. For some reason, French-speaking diasporan blacks (Haitians, in particular) seem to escape this peculiar quandary. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2434
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 03:41 pm: |
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Although there are "Mulatto" Belizeans in the North....the majority of BELIZEANS are so deep dark black, I don't see how anyone could not consider them "BLACK".
They look like PURE AFRICANS!
Especially the "GARIFUNA"---the largest tribe.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2435
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 03:42 pm: |
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They're waaaay blacker than Black Americans.
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Sunshinespirit
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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Kola...I guess it is because her father is a Mayan...she considers herself Hispanic...she does not look Black...she looks hispanic...but her mother, grandmother and aunts look mixed...she told me there are still Africans in Belize...I would love to go there and meet these people...but she is now my xdaughter-in-law...I will say though, her sister only dates Black guys...she now divorced from my oldest son dates only Black men.... |
Nels
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Post Number: 469
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 07:45 pm: |
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Spanish + Northern American Indians = Mexicans
Spanish + Indonesian (and other Oriental people[s]) = Phillipinos
Spanish + Blacks (of the resettled African slave kind) = Puerto Ricans
Say it ain't so. Go figure. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 263
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 08:21 pm: |
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the majority of mexicans are not of spanish descent. the spaniards came to mexico with less than 150,00 men. there were 150 million aztecs dwelling in the land called mexico. 150,000 men cannot change the racial make up of 150 million people. there are only a handful of mexicans that are spanish and aztec indian. most mexican are full blood or majority aztec indian. www.mexica-movement.com has a vast amount of information about this topic. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 269
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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the link posted above DOES NOT take you to the mexica-movement website. it does exist, but the link above does not take you there. to find out more, do a google search for mexica-movement. this website has true information about mexicans, hispanics, and the lies ansd false information put out there by the spanish (europeans who speak spanish). |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1437
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 03:15 am: |
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yes...arturo schomburg was black, Tito Trindad is black for example...being Puerto Rican is nationality not a racial category.
Acting "black" is not about race either...that is a social and cultural construct. |
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