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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 523
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 05:29 pm: | 
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Mariah Carey is on the cover of Ebony magazine this month. I guess next months issue will have Britney Spears on the cover.
Does anybody else see the strategy here or is it just me. It seems like supposedly Black own media institutions are trying to encourage Black ppl to breed themselves out by placing Mixed Race ppl as the standard for Blackness.
I'm sorry Mariah Carey is not Black to me. Nor is she to alot of Black ppl. She does not display any African features. Its almost like the white man is assaulting black men with images that there seed is inferior so they must breed Mariah Carey looking children to ever be considered "acceptable".
My brother was over my house this past weekend. And he tried to convince me that Mariah Carey was Black by using the "One drop rule". I told him the source of the "One drop rule" and how it was meant to confuse black ppl.
Does anybody else see this? Or is it just me? |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 772
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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Will you please post the pic LAZY!!!
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Serenasailor
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No, because you did it for me. |
Mzuri
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And that's the last time! Post the damn pic and stop being so f'n lazy!!! |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 777
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Anyway, Mariah looks kinda Black in that cover shot. Don't you think? |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 06:46 pm: |
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No, I don't think so. Mariah Carey has never looked Black to me. And she never will. For the love of God will you Negroes stop accepting that stupid "one drop rule". |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 778
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 07:40 pm: |
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Who said anything about the one drop rule? I said I think she looks kind of Black in this shot. And please don't call me a Negro. I am a Negress. Thank you. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 07:56 pm: |
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If you think Mariah Carey looks Black. You must also think that Jessica Simpson, Charlize Theron, and Justin Timberlake look kinda Black as well. Because if Mariah Carey looks Black to you than you have never seen a authentic Black person.
Mariah Carey to me is a classic example of Black ppl wanting to claim the "whitest looking ppl" as Black because they so vehemetely HATE there own images. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 07:58 pm: |
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When Black ppl accept Mariah Carey, Vin Diesel, and that guy from the hit show "Prison Break" as Black you are accepting the white mans version of what Blackness should be.
And there version of Blackness mirrors them not us. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 08:59 pm: |
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It's the same thing as casting Beyonce in dreamgirls. How can we be outraged about one and not the other when it's all the same? Black culture is being run by the people in charge of it (whites and "mulattoes")--while being avowed by blacks - its most downtrodden exploited self-hating and ill-advised members.
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Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 09:02 pm: |
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SS - Do me a giant favor and don't tell me what I think. Mariah looks darker in this pic than she normally does. The End!!! |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 10:16 pm: |
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I think Mariah looks Dominican. And some people consider Dominicans to be Black. Anyway, she definitely doesn't "look white". |
Savant
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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well, i guess that means that adam clayton powell, jr., romare bearden, august wilson, charles chestnut, carmen delavallade, sharon pratt kelly, sterling brown, and countless others aren't black, either, huh? |
Nels
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Post Number: 436
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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Serenasailor --
If you stopped fascinating with your blackness (or obsessive unhappiness with it) for a change, perhaps you might make some sense once in a while.
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Mint_carl0v3
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:15 am: |
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just curious what would you consider "black features?" |
Doberman23
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 05:10 am: |
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mariah carey is the most photoshoped person on the planet, i don't know why she can't accept the ageing process ... i know all women on those magazines are but mariah takes the cake. and she also has on too many clothes on that cover too ... i like the more whorish mariah.  |
Shemika
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 08:22 am: |
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A while back this white / Hispanic person, who is an instructor by the way, had a fact book about Hispanics and he was happy to share that according to that book Mariah Carey was Latino. So go figure.
But I like you assessment Serenasailor. -Very insightful.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 08:31 am: |
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Ebony lost credibility a LONG time ago. So NOTHING that rag does surprises me.
And I think the lighting was arranged in a way to make Mariah appear Blacker...sorta like that O.J. Simpson Time Magazine cover. |
Va_sis
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 08:37 am: |
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SerenaS,
why are you so surprised at this cover? did you forget that she was on the cover of Essence no more than a year ago?
i usually don't jump into these threads about colorism, because they don't go anywhere, BUT, it needs to be said that celebs like Mariah & Kimora Lee claim their black heritage only when it's convenient for them and it's said that our mags don't see through it. |
Va_sis
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 08:38 am: |
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ooops, i meant "sad" not "said" |
Abm
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Post Number: 4911
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 08:48 am: |
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Va_sis,
As long as the duplicitous Mariahs and Kimoras help sell their magazines, Ebony, Essence, etc. can hardly give a dayam what those chicks motives are. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 11:44 am: |
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And, btw, the VAST majority of those who buy Ebony and Essence magazines are Black FEMALES. So WHO amongst us are perpetuating colorist viewpoints as covers of Mariah and Kimora fly off the shelves? |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:05 pm: |
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Ebony has had white people on the cover before. It has also had bust out bootlicking Uncle Toms on the cover, too. So Mariah, being half black or a mulatto or whatever can be on the cover.
I don't buy or read the magazine. If you had something to do other than worrying about what Ebony Magazine--which by the way is shelved in Libaries and white supermarket chains and accepts advertising dollars from big white firms and like most magazines, could give less than a damn what the individual reader thinks are wants (and in this case since white and black and brown and yellow men think she is fine and will buy it for the cover so they can whack off on it) then you have just shown that your mind tends to the retention of irrelevancies.
A while ago somebody asked why we had to be so heavy on here all the time.
It is because somebody is using precious time and space and thousands of dollars in technology and their time to post drivel like this.
Who is on the cover of Ebony will not make any difference in your miserable life. All you got to do is be black and die.
Troy. Thumper. All the Black Citizens of Cyberspace. I apologize on behalf of Serenasailor (who gets upset at somebody for something she had no control over--her daddy and momma made her, you know) but just looooves some black man dressing in drag and making black women look ridiculous.
Is it any wonder we are dead last in everything? (Whoo! Thank you, Sailor! It is rare when I get the chance to feel O so BLACKERTHANTHOU !) |
Urban_scribe
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:08 pm: |
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Some years ago, I read when the media seeks to villianize Blacks, they digitally make their photos darker. Apparently, dark equals menacing. When the media seeks to praise Blacks, they digitally lighten up their photos, giving them a kinder gentler appearance.
Mariah does appear 'tanner' than usual in this cover shot. Perhaps Ebony's art director, knowing that many Blacks would take exception to having someone as fair as Mariah Carey on the cover of a Black publication, digitally darkened her photo to make her more appealing to its target audience. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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Honestly. I am much less bothered by what's ON the covers of Ebony and much MORE bothered by the dreck that is BETWEEN its covers. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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Chris - I think Mariah is a quadroon. Not mulatto. And you go ahead on with your BLACKERTHANTHOU self!!! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
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I wonder when are these raving colorist cops going to fess up that for every Black man who wants to fuhk Mariah there's at least the same number of Black women who wish they looked like her?
But then, I'm sure they'll blame BW wanting to look like Mariah upon...you guessed it...Black MEN. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:57 pm: |
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Not everybody think white is right, ABM.
That's what confuses us "colorist cops" so deeply.
I think Mariah Carey is quite ugly.... That much make-up and expensive clothes and that's the best she can do???
I think Halle Berry and Angelina Jollie and Beyonce are WAAAAAY overrated. They're okay looking--but not enough for me to want to look like them. If I had to choose from today's superstars, it would be either of the two dark-skinned girls that are currently featured on toothpaste commercials (crest and I forget the other one)--and that jet black female that is a part of the latest Dove soap commercial (though they are not superstars). Mariah and the rest do not appeal to the way I’d want to look if I wasn’t already pleased with myself. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:00 pm: |
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Why is Ebony magazine being reviled just because it has broadened its coverage instead of restrictng itself to a narrow demographic! Yes, it's mainstream, but is that a crime? Don't forget the amazing success story of its late founder, John H. Johnson, a trailblazer who started this magazine on a shoe string and who built into the first black publishing empire, or that one of its editors is the distinguised black scholar, Lerone J Bennett, author of many acclaimed books on black history, including "Before The Mayflower", the definitive work on the subject a slavery. And its staff is still predominated black. It should also be noted that Ebony publishes Jet Magazine the quick fix for readers in the hood. And why is everybody spazzing about Mariah Carey?? She aint'white. She's mixed. Her father was a black man from South America. She is accepted and embraced by the black community and she returns the love. She doesn't vaccillate between the races because she has no big white fan base. Mariah is actually hip hop - in dress, in attitudem and music. Blacks produce and collaborate on her albums and appear as guest artists on her cuts. Is she expedient? Yes. But she is apparently more in her element among blacks than whites and this could very well be because she is HALF BLACK. Get over it. To hear you guys tell it everybody is out of step but you. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:17 pm: |
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Beauty is universal and has nothing to do with skin color. Halle and Beyonce and Mariah would still have appeal if they were dark-skinned because of the configuration of their sculpted features and their smooth complexions. If India.arie was light-skinned, you'd be talking about how ugly she is, Tonya. You hate light-skinned women and there is not one on this earth that you would think was pretty. Admit it. And allow me to take a page out of your book and accuse you of being jealous of people who make you feel inadequate. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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Tonya,
I've never considered Mariah to be some great beauty - White or Black. And I've never been much of a fan of her music or her personae. If she disappeared into the ether I'd hardly bat an eyelash.
Halle Berry is cute. But I find Angelina Jolie to be more fuhkable. And if you think I feel that way because I'm selling out to Jolie's "Whiteness" well then, really, fuhk that and fuhk you for thinking that. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:03 pm: |
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...LOL!! I never said you were a sell out, Bro. You need to ease up or check on that conscious!! Only if the shoe fit should you wear it.
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Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:21 pm: |
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I don't think she should be on the cover. She shouldn't have been on the cover of Essence magazine either.
I don't believe in an authentic black person, but I believe that either you claim yourself as black or you don't; and she has, as far as I remember, never claimed to be black. She goes the Tiger Woods route and embraces all of her ancestry.
I understand WHY Essence and Ebony do what they do but I don't like.
Essentially, they are publications about black people and people of African ancestry, which demonstrate their experiecnes, successes, and hardships. Ideologically, these Magazines desire to embrace socalled American middle-class values and bourgeois negro integrationism.
So to deny Mariah and others a cover of these integrationist magazines would be consider self-segregation and possible a form of black nationalism.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:30 pm: |
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Yukio,
It might be interesting to see whether and to what degree the women behind the scenes (publishing, editorial, art and marketing staff) at Essence, Ebony, etc. themselves LOOK like Mariah and Kimora. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:52 pm: |
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Obviously a lot of people don't agree with your conceptions of blackness. Furthermore, for every Mariah Carey who appears on the cover of Ebony there are hundreds of dark-skinned blacks who do, and the magazine keeps on selling. Maybe you guys should check out the mission statement of Ebony so you can release your butt cheeks and exhale. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 05:34 pm: |
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Cynique: I haven't stated my conception of blackness, first of all. Furthermore, the "a lot of people" you speak of are less interested in black people, or don't have the interest or intellectual wherewiththal to understand whats going on.
BTW, the only time I release my butt cheeks is when I sh*t! |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 06:26 pm: |
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What is going on, Yukio? I guess I'm one of those uninterested people who doesn't think that putting Mariah Carey on the cover of Ebony is such a catastrophic event. And who is it catastrophic for? The majority of black people or the minority of nay sayers who think people should reject one form of mind control in favor of another? heh-heh |
Mzuri
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 07:34 pm: |
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Yukio - Please, please, please release your butt cheeks when you're having sex. Especially when you come. You will have a much more enjoyable experience.
Why are y'all getting mad at each other because of something that Ebony magazine has done? If you feel that strongly about it, send them some hate mail and stop buying Ebony magazine, don't attend Fashion Fair and don't buy Jet and the products that are advertised! Some of you are way too uptight about things that none of us has any control over. And Mariah had no control of her lineage - so stop hatin on Mariah - she's cute!!! Plus she has a really great singing voice!!! |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 11:24 pm: |
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Honestly. I am much less bothered by what's ON the covers of Ebony and much MORE bothered by the dreck that is BETWEEN its covers.
I second this, ABM. And what about the back cover? If I had to guess I'd guess it was a full page ad of either
1) a cigarette company, or
2) some brand of hard liquor.
And how about, after we've finished counting how many light skinned folks are depicted within the covers, we count how many of the above two products' ads are there.
Then let's start a thread about the dangers to Black communities and Ebony's (and Essence's and other Black-oriented publications') participation... |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 12:21 am: |
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ChrisHayden you are a loser who never has anything relevant to say so you just resorts to insulting ppl on this site. Mariah Carey being on the cover of Ebony Magazine is not a priority in my life.
How pathetic is your life that you can't even have a decent conversation on a topic without insulting the person that brings it up. I will admit I insult ppl on this site, but not because they are bringing up a topic that I don't agree with.
I said that I think Tyler Perry is funny ASSHOLE!!! Nowhere did I say I was a huge fan.
You are a piece of HOT, DRY, SHIT, left on an old portoble toilet!!
Next time save your insults for one of your less intelligent buddies like Doberman, and Cynique!! |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 01:41 am: |
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"Does anybody else see this?"
### Uhhhhh....probably. But no one else cares because they don't insistently obsess over childish race baiting and meaningless divisive ignorance like you do.
Or is it just me?
Yep! Its just you.
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Serenasailor
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No NTFS by the responses that I received it was not just me. But you are doing exactly what I wanted you to do you are responding to me. Which shows me that you obviously do care about this topic.
But I guess I am childish because I don't buy into the White Supremacist idea of what black ppl should look like. Yes, those ppl above that you mentioned are black. But they are not authentically black. Therefore even they will be the first ones to tell you that they should not represent blackness.
Now go grab a bar of soap and wipe ChrisHaydens ass because I can start to smell the SHIT that he is trying to pass off. And I'm here in California. |
Nels
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 02:56 am: |
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Serenasailor --
"But they are not authentically black."
Here we go again. The Kolanization of Blackness. As long as black America continues to challenge anyone who has even a minute trace of African blood to be recognized as anything but black, then "authentic black" carries little weight in the realm of authenticity. When "authentic black" becomes an accepted association of purity, then the definition of black itself will again be more correctly shaded by the context through which it is interpreted. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 06:20 am: |
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But you are doing exactly what I wanted you to do you are responding to me.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Oh my…..you’re such a slick little devil…..
”But I guess I am childish because I don't buy into the White Supremacist idea of what black ppl should look like.”
Good! Neither do I. But you seem to have this pathological fixation on peoples “skin color” or what they “physically look like”. I have never understood the nature of such spurious divisive thinking. No one had a voice or choice as to what their race or skin color would be at birth. It is what the individual does with his or her life that should be litmus test for criticism or praise. Not something that was an accident of birth -something they had no control nor say over.
Yes, those ppl above that you mentioned are black. But they are not authentically black.
Whooaaaaaa….!!! What exactly is “authentically black”? Who determines such a standard? And who establishes the prerequisite criteria? The National Board of Black Certification and Authenticity? You? And please tell me what are the advantages and privileges of the so called “authentic black person” vice the “non-authentic black person”. Details please….
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Yvettep,
As long as it’s legal for American adults to smoke and to drink, I can’t get too bothered by advertising related to those activities.
But I think if the caliber of material between and around such advertising were better, perhaps the prevalence of such advertising would diminish. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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I am not a regular reader of Essence or Ebony but I find it off-putting that these 2 publications should be criticized for being anything other than what most magazines are. They are commercial enterprises that target a certain demographic and cater to this audience with features and articles that are in line with what interests these readers. Revenue from advertisers is their life blood and most don't have the luxury of rejecting those products that don't comply with a puritannical propriety. They trust the discretion of their readers. People who don't count themselves among the subscribers or readers of a magazine whose format they don't agree with haven't earned the right to demand that it change and in this case, these detractors should focus on touting the magazines that serve as a vigilant venue for the variety of blackness they appove of. Tell others what magazine they should be reading if they don't appreciate the image and content of Ebony or Essence. The role of a magazine in our society is not clearly defined, but most of those with large circulations have something for everybody within their pages, running the gamut from pop culture to political analysis. And who can dispute that the magazine industry doesn't have its finger on the pulse of what the vast number of unremarkable black and white Americans look for when they choose a magazine. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 04:51 pm: |
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If I'm not mistaking (I don't read/pay attention to either one) the people running Essence/Ebony are light skinned blacks. And there's enough evidence to suggest that the experiences of many light skinned blacks are not the same as those of the majority of black folks. Having Essence/Ebony write for us is not that far off from having Vogue or Vanity Fair putting out black magazines. We shouldn't expect Essence/Ebony to get it any more right than a white pub.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2920
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 04:53 pm: |
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Oops. Wrong thread. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 338
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 05:54 pm: |
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"I am not a regular reader of Essence or Ebony but I find it off-putting that these 2 publications should be criticized for being anything other than what most magazines are. They are commercial enterprises that target a certain demographic and cater to this audience with features and articles that are in line with what interests these readers. Revenue from advertisers is their life blood and most don't have the luxury of rejecting those products that don't comply with a puritannical propriety."
Cynique...this is dangerous! You are making too much sense here. You'r going to confuse some of the readers. Ha! Ha! Ha! |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 408
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 07:06 pm: |
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I LOVE that dress. Very sexy.
Mariah was naturally prettier during the "Daydream" and "Music Box" era. Now, her face looks different and I can't put my finger on exactly what it is--cheek implants?? |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 409
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 07:12 pm: |
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Mariah doesn't consider herself to be just "Black". She has often referred to herself as Multi-racial or ethnic. She has been quite open in a few of her interviews and has said that she identifies more with her White heritage than Black because she was raised by her mother who is Caucasion.
But she did reveal on a radio interview with Wendy Williams that it doesn't bother her one bit if people choose to identify her as just Black. |
Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1343
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 03:00 pm: |
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cynique: I find it off-putting that you have said that since the publication was not established as a protest vehicle but rather a commericial enterprise that it should not be criticized. So if an enterprise's purpose is to make money it can only be criticized on those grounds? Slavery was not about black people it was about profit! Slavery was an economic system and slaves were property that created commodities. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4816
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:53 am: |
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I never said that Ebony was not established as a "protest" publication. Yukio. Its origin was a form of protest manifested in a magazine format as an alternative to the all of the exclusively white publications. But a magazine is, after all, a magazine and as such it needs to realize a profit and the readers who identify with its image and messsage help contribute to its financial success by buying the magazine. If you are not supporting Ebony by purchasing it or subscribing to it then what's your beef? You are perfectly free to boycott it and buy a magazine that speaks to your view point. You are right in arguing that everybody is entitled to criticize what they don't agree with. But that does not necessarily make the criticism valid. |
Lil_ze
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 181
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:29 am: |
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mariah carey is black. some of us are lighter, and some of us are darker. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5039
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 07:56 am: |
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Cynique: "You are perfectly free to boycott it and buy a magazine that speaks to your view point. You are right in arguing that everybody is entitled to criticize what they don't agree with. But that does not necessarily make the criticism valid."
I didn't vote for (or help to "buy") Bush. Does that mean my criticism of him is not "valid"? |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4817
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:05 pm: |
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Depends on what you criticize Bush for, ABM. If it's for catering to his constituency, then your criticism if not justified, and is at best naive. He is doing what all politicians do if they want to get elected. A magazine reflects its readership and if you aren't a reader because you don't like what the magazine represents then your criticism of it is irrelevant. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5050
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 04:23 pm: |
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Cynique,
As an American resident, citizen and voter my criticism is ALWAYS valid with respect to whoever is in the White House. Because what happens there affects me and mine. And I pay TAXES for such. Perhaps the EFFECT of what I assert about Bush is, at best, negligible. But that does NOT make what I think and assert invalid.
Likewise with Ebony. Perhaps my opinions of how the magazine is managed are meaningless to the going concerns of its management. But I STILL have the valid right and privilege to say that Ebony is a shyty magazine. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4827
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 05:32 pm: |
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Well, anybody can criticize anybody, ABM, but whether its valid or not is a matter of opinion. Do you think it's valid of an Ebony reader to criticize you for calling a magazine they are a big fan of a "piece of shyt"? Do you think it's valid of a George Bush supporter to criticize you for not supporting your commander-in-chief because you think he's incompetent. Validity is obviously in the eye of the beholder. Criticism is, after all, an opinion and some opinions hold more water than others. |
Nels
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Nels
Post Number: 448
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 09:25 pm: |
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Lil_ze --
"mariah carey is black. some of us are lighter, and some of us are darker."
By "American" standards only. |
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