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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2394
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 04:28 pm: | 
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He keeled over from a heartattack no doubt contemplating the possible 165 years he was facing--
I'm sure that the judge wouldn't have given him more than 12-15--he just stole billions of dollars. It's not like its a crime!
And what does this have to do with Culture, Race and Economy?
I suppose plenty if you worked for Enron or held Enron stock or paid for utilities in California. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 773
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 05:50 pm: |
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WTF was he doing vacationing? In Aspen? Shouldn't he have been in jail??? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2398
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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Mzuri:
With your sharp Texas eye you have zeroed in on something. In my experience whenever anybody else is facing the possibility of a ton of time bond is revoked and he is taken into custody because he poses a flight risk.
Who the hell wouldn't make a run for it if they were looking at dying in prison?
Check THIS out. Since he died before sentencing the possibility is raised that the government will not be able to get the millions he had forfeited--also it might effect any suits against his estate brought by creditors.
The Conspiracy theorists are out now, of course. Some think he might have faked his death and might be on his way to Pakistan or China to hide out or something.
I ain't willing to go that far--I think he would have done this before all that testimony was heard in court and a record made.
Others are saying he was knocked off by the family (who want to get their hands on those millions and not see the government get it) or by the other oil barons (He was in that big meeting that Cheney had with them that is so secret ) or by the Bush family (he was very close and a major financer of his rise to power)
What are y'all hearing down there in the Lone Star State? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4917
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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I guess the prospects of his possibly being made to give blowjobs to some hostile, overly-muscled inmate was too much for Lay's ticker to handle.
Fuhker got off easy! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2403
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:06 pm: |
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Real easy if he ain't really dead. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 781
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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My sharp Texas eye? LOL! Not really, it just struck me as odd that his ass wasn't on lockdown. I haven't followed this case too closely and I just ass-u-med that he was already in jail. But since money talks - I guess not. Anyway, I get my news from television and the internet, so I don't know of any Texas buzz. If I should hear of anything new, I'll post it here.
And by the way, as to the shareholders and investors that lost money - there's an old adage in the investment world that you should never invest anything that you can't afford to lose. And that would include retirement funds. So when I first heard about all the people that lost their money, some who supposedly lost it all - I just shook my head. Not that they deserved this, but people should know better than to put all their eggs in one basket. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4922
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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Mzuri,
I concur with you to the extent that people were ABLE to invest there money elsewhere. I believe, though, many who lost their money with Enron were employees whose pensions were locked into investing in Enron stock and related investments. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 789
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 08:22 pm: |
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Doesn't matter. I was employed by federal govt and participate in their Thrift Savings Plan retirement fund - and the first thing they told us is to not let that be our only retirement investment. If it applies to the govt, then it applies to Enron. People are foolish to place ALL their assets into ONE entity. |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 392
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 12:02 am: |
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He only stole about 600 million, Chris, not billions.Personally, I'm one of those people of the opinion that he isn't dead, based on the way that the autopsy results were announced the same day and that it conveniently happened in a place that is very adept at handling matters discreetly for the aristocracy.
goimg through the appeal process from behind bars is not something that the aristocracy has to do, especially prior to sentencing.His original bond was still in effect up until sentencing, after which he would have been granted a period of time, normally a couple of months, to put his affairs in order and then he would be granted an appeal bond, good until the case reached the federal level.The rules for rulers are different from the rules for the ruled.
In a way, I hope that he isn't dead.I had him slated for episode two of the reality show I'm trying to pitch to the major networks called 'Land of the Free'
Episode one has Lee Raymond being bull-whipped to death in front of the statue of liberty.We add a notation to the end of the plaque with give me your huddled masses etc...that says 'But you can keep your sorry S.O.B.s like this.We are all stocked up on parasites and whores.
Episode two was to have Ken Lay dangled from the torch of the statue by ankle chains and left there until the vultures picked him loose with another postscript added to plaque that says 'Beware of falling dogshyt.'
You get the idea.Oddly enough, the idea seems to be generating very little interest. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 440
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 03:01 am: |
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In the end, Lay snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, and his parting words we're "Ha Ha, you missed me. Suckerrrrrrs!" |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 930
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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Autopsy: Lay Had Severely Clogged Arteries
Wednesday July 19, 7:14 PM EDT
HOUSTON (AP) — Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay had three severely clogged arteries and had experienced at least two heart attacks before he died, according to autopsy results released Wednesday.
The report blames severe coronary artery disease for Lay's death. It also said the autopsy showed Lay had suffered at least two previous heart attacks and had two stents implanted.
The Lays were vacationing near Aspen, Colo., when he died. The report, prepared by the coroner in Mesa County, Colo., said Lay was last seen alive by his wife on July 5 at 1 a.m., when he woke up and went into a bathroom.
Minutes later, she heard a "thump," and found him on the floor, the report said. He had vomited and showed signs of having a seizure. Linda Lay called paramedics, but Lay was pronounced dead on arrival at Aspen Valley Hospital.
Lay, 64, and former Enron chief executive Jeffrey Skilling were convicted May 25 of fraud and conspiracy for lying to investors and the public about the financial health of Enron before the energy company he founded collapsed in 2001.
He also was convicted of one count of bank fraud and three counts of lying to banks in a separate, non-jury trial before U.S. Judge Sim Lake stemming from his personal banking. Lay died insisting he'd committed no crimes, and planned to appeal.
Skilling, who now faces sentencing alone on Oct. 23, also aims to appeal and faces decades in prison.
Lay's death sparked myriad conspiracy theories on the Internet, some tongue-in-cheek, others questioning whether he faked his demise to avoid prison. |
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