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Abm
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Post Number: 4767
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 04:03 pm: | 
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”R. Kelly judge should rethink sex tape ruling
Published June 26, 2006
Earlier this month Vincent Gaughan, the Cook County Criminal Court judge presiding over R&B superstar R. Kelly's child pornography trial, ruled that a videotape that appears to show Kelly engaging in sex acts with a 14-year-old girl could be shown in open court during the trial.
Does this ruling bother you?
I think it should because showing the tape would mean everybody in the courtroom would see a child in her most embarrassing, degrading and humiliating moment. For justice to be served, only the judge and jury needs to see this tape.
... By law, no matter how minors behave, they cannot legally consent to sex. (It's still mind-boggling to me that Kelly has not been charged with rape. He says he's not guilty of the child porn charges.)
...Legal experts say Gaughan's ruling was highly unusual because he ruled over the objections of both the prosecution and the defense.
...Gaughan apparently doesn't believe the victim--now 21--deserves such protection. He said that he understands that allowing the video to be viewed in open court might mean people would be watching child pornography. But, he said, the tape is the cornerstone of the prosecution's case against Kelly and making it secret might undermine the public's confidence in the jury's verdict.
...I asked Sean Black, spokesman for the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault, why his organization hasn't been rallying against this ruling as it did in the Burr Ridge case. He said the coalition simply didn't know about it.”
dtrice@tribune.com
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0606260193jun26,1,7858517.colu mn?coll=chi-news-col
QUESTIONS:
@ You think the Judge is justified in requiring the contents of R Kelly’s sex tape be publicly shown?
@ You think he would have required such if the alleged victim were White?
@ Likewise, you think those Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault foks might have been a wee bit more interested and involved in the R Kelly’s underage sexapades if the female(s) in question were White?
@ You think because the alleged victim is now an adult it is okay to show the contents tape?
@ Or should the fact that she was a minor when the alleged crimes occurred warrant the preclusion of showing the tape?
@ Why DIDN’T the prosecutor charge R Kelly with Rape?
@ Have any of YOU seen the tape? If so, whaddayah think? |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2053
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 04:12 pm: |
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I saw the tape.
I say SHOW IT.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4769
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 04:18 pm: |
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I think they should show it too. I know it'll cause some added embarrassment to the young lady. And it'll be a friggin' circus.
But I'm hoping public dissemimination of the tape will incite some much needed and long overdue discussion about the issue and the enforcement of the protection of Black children.
My wife says any Black parent - ESPECIALLY father - of a young daughter should be made to view the tape. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 708
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 05:17 pm: |
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I haven't seen the tape. I can't argue with the decision of the judge. He's the judge, his decision, everyone should accept it.
Everybody involved with the case and half of Chicago probably knows the girl's identity and what went down, so her being further embarrassed is a minor consequence. If it's in defense of her honor, she'll get over it.
The only problem that I foresee for the prosecution is if the 14 year old looks like a grown woman, with a fully developed physique and R. Kelly's defense is that he thought she was grown, he's probably gonna get a walk.
Regarding the question about whether she would have been treated differently had she been white - if law enforcement didn't think she was violated or deserved any protecting or defending, then that whole case could have been swept under the rug. I believe she's receiving about as equal treatment as anyone could expect. Now if R. Kelly had a pissed on a white girl, he'd probably be dead right now.
Why wasn't R. Kelly charged with rape? Who knows. Aren't 21 counts of child porn more severe than one charge of statutory rape? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4775
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 01:37 pm: |
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Mzuri,
If the prosecutors can prove Kelly did or should have known the girl was underaged, I don't see why how "developed" her physique was should have any bearings of the court decision.
I disagree with your view about how race affects law enforcement in this case. If this were a White girl, I am CERTAIN the prosecution would have indicted Kelly with Statutory Rape.
Moreover, if they're asserting they can prove the female on the tape was underage and that it was indeed Kelly she was having sex with, WHAT possible reason can be given for NOT charging him with rape?
And WHY does or should his being charged with Child Pornography affect and preclude a rape charge?
Let's say none of what Kelly did was on on any form of media yet there is sufficient proof that Kelly did have sex with a minor. Are you suggesting that he SHOULDN'T be charged with rape? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2349
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 02:39 pm: |
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I don't think they could make a case if they didn't show it. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4791
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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Chris,
The issue is not whether they should show it. The issue is whether someone OTHER than the judge, jury, prosecutors, Kelly & his counsel and any corroberating/testifying witnesses should be in court when the tape is aired.
The judge allowing the tape to be aired in open court essentially open up the contents of the tape to media and public dissemination/discussion that would otherwise NOT be allowable...I think. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2352
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 03:48 pm: |
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Why not? She's going to testify, isn't she? Her name is going to come out. It's been all over the internet I understand though I haven't seen it.
R. Kelly can stop all this by pleading guilty-- |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4795
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 04:00 pm: |
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Chris,
I guess I agree. At this point, NOT permitting the tape to shown is almost like trying to throw water on dynamite that has already exploded.
You were, of course, kidding about R Kelly confessing his guilt. Right? |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 715
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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ABM - If I were a juror on a similar case and viewed a video showing a 14-year-old that looks like she's in her twenties (some of them do), if she lied about her age, and had intercourse willingly, then I would find the defendant not guilty. How's a man supposed to know? Have you carded everyone you ever slept with? If he knew she was underage, that's another story.
I have no way to know why he wasn't charged with rape. I haven't followed this case and I'm not familiar with the racial make-up of the prosecution team or the Chicago judicial system. You would know the answers to those questions better than me. |
Stephgirl
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Post Number: 61
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 09:56 pm: |
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If R. Kelly molested a white girl, he'll probably be lynched both symbolically and literally by mainstream America. We all know how they treat black men messing with white girls. They punish them to the nth degree.
Stephanie B. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 4812
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 03:39 am: |
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Mzuri,
Local Chicago scuttlebutt is that Kelly not only knew the child's age but he was also a friend of the child's FAMILY.
And, btw, I DON'T think that that child looked anywhere NEAR her twenties. And, considering Kelly's history (including his sneaking off to MARRY a pubescent Aaliyah), I seriously DOUBT that he thought so as well.
Mzuri: "Aren't 21 counts of child porn more severe than one charge of statutory rape?"
I asked you those questions because you appear to asserting that that charging Kelly with Child Porn was sufficient when I believe if he were having sex with an underage child he ALSO should have been with Statutory Rape. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2073
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:11 am: |
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ABM, you are just a GOD!!!!!!
Thank GOD there are men in this
world like you.
I pray my sons will be EVEN NEAR
your caliber of sensitivity, heart
and wit.
Not to mention CHARM.
As a child-molested serial rape SURVIVOR,
I just came to tears reading your last post.
With your mentality infused in more men,
we would have TONS less of this.
Then there would not be "sexually fucked up" actress Goddesses like me.
It sucks compartmentalizing and acting out your womanhood. FOREVER. Because you're now a CREATION of your molester/rapist.
GOD BLESS YOU, ABM.
GOD BLESS YOU.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2074
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:13 am: |
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My life--the living part--hurts so much, ABM.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4821
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 06:22 am: |
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Kola,
Thanks.
But, really, I'm just a father who loves his daughters and wish the same for all of our children.
You're moving forward and prospering, babe. It'll be good today. And much better tomorrow.
And perhaps "It sucks compartmentalizing and acting out your womanhood. FOREVER. Because you're now a CREATION of your molester/rapist."
But remember: It is from evil that the necessity of a great heroine is born. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 1068
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:37 am: |
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Local Chicago scuttlebutt is that Kelly not only knew the child's age but he was also a friend of the child's FAMILY.
...And, considering Kelly's history (including his sneaking off to MARRY a pubescent Aaliyah), I seriously DOUBT that he thought so as well.
I have heard these things, too: that this man is well aware of the age of the girls he beds and prefers young girls to grown women. There have been rumors in the industry for years--at least since the Aaliyah "marriage," that he purposefully seeks out underage girls for sex. If so, he is a pedophile, plain and simple.
The "willingness" of the girls is completely irrelevant. There are plenty of similarly willing teenage boys for teenage girls to sleep with. (That is assuming we believe these girls were, in fact, willing...)
One reason why in our society in our times we do not generally support sex between minors and adults is that minors' development generally precludes them from the kind of true "consent" we generally associate with sex between adults. It is certainly up to adults to not actively exploit the needs of minors by seeking them out for sexual encounters. It is also up to adults to insure that attentions from minors, when/if directed their way, are redirected elsewhere.
But again, my sense is that this encounter was not "accidental" or a case of a young girl "looking" and being mistaken for older. If what has been said about his past behavior is true, he is a pedophile.
I continue to be mystified at why so many Black people--including Black women, including Black women who have bees in their bonnets about IR dating, etc.--would continue to support this man. (Talking generally, and of women I know personally, not of anyone necessarily here on these boards.)
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Yvettep
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Post Number: 1069
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:38 am: |
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P.S.: Hi, Kola! Long time no see! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4830
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Yvettep,
I agree that how the girl looked and what she thought (and may still think) is wholly IRRELEVANT here.
We have as a society determined that human beings who are below a certain age in all likelihood do NOT have the physical, mental and emotional wherewithal to safely and prudently engage in sex. And, unless some fairly radical acceleration of maturity occurs amongst future generations of children, there's really NOTHING else to be said about that.
R Kelly's OBVIOUSLY got some deeprooted, unacknowledged developmental and emotional problems (which might to some degree be akin to those of Michael Jackson’s). If his victims were not themselves so young and vulnerable, part of me might actually pity him.
You said "I continue to be mystified at why so many Black people--including Black women, including Black women who have bees in their bonnets about IR dating, etc.--would continue to support this man."
What do you mean here?
Are you suggesting that many otherwise fiery down-4-my-sistagurl types are exhibiting a tasty bit of duplicity with respect to this Kelly issue?
Lemme be candid with you for a second: Depending upon where/how a man was raised and where he reside/works, it can be quite difficult to be respectful of women. And I think you can infer what I mean based on what YOU have expressed above. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1070
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 02:26 pm: |
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ABM, re:
Are you suggesting that many otherwise fiery down-4-my-sistagurl types are exhibiting a tasty bit of duplicity with respect to this Kelly issue?
Yes, that is what I am saying. It is something I have personally heard (salons, Black radio call ins, etc.). I think we may have even discussed something similar on these boards a while ago. I have many theories about what is going on here (and some involve what you alluded to in your closing sentence). But since I post here as myself, I think it is best to keep them to myself.
And to be clear, I agree with what you say about "safely and prudently engage in sex." I personally think that is true of most teens. (But here my status as mother of two girls may be biasing me, I admit!) But even if teens "must" express themselves sexually, then far better to do so with other age-mates. This, so as to lessen the chance of such vast power/control differentials that you find in most minor-adult relationships.
I mean, let's say this girl was already sexually active (which some have said to me in defense of Robert Kelly). Does anyone really think that if 15-year old Bobby Kelly from her homeroom had requested to urinate on her she would have been willing? I say, no. That kind of "willing" degradation comes from being manipulated by someone older, more powerful, and (in this case) more famous than you.
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Abm
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Post Number: 4839
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:00 pm: |
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Yvettep,
I agree the age and maturity (plus Kelly's fame) difference imposes a vast power imbalance in most such romances. And I'm SURE that is too a GREAT extent what Kelly's getting off on.
Hell. If one of her class mates had asked to piss on her, she would have kneed him in the nuts and giggled with her girlfriends as he writhe in pain under his locker. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 4690
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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R Kelly maintains his following of young female fans because they like him as an artist, and because the cattiness factor enters into the picture. It's not a given that young black women are suppportive of each another. They are competitive and more likely to put each other down than to present a united front. The feminist mind-set comes with maturity. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4843
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:58 pm: |
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Cynique: "...the cattiness factor enters into the picture. It's not a given that young black women are suppportive of each another. They are competitive and more likely to put each other down than to present a united front."
I agree. And that THERE is the Achilles of any sort of mass front or movement that some of the ladies who visit this site enjoy fantasizing about.
Look. Let's be real:
A goodlooking, seemingly decent, well-spoken, fairly charming and together brotha can walk deadsmack into the center of the most rabid of you-go-gurl rallies and woo most of them into his bed inside of a month.
And a few of those chicks will be avowed lesbians. |
Prettybabygirl
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Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 347
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 05:12 pm: |
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Look. Let's be real:
A goodlooking, seemingly decent, well-spoken, fairly charming and together brotha can walk deadsmack into the center of the most rabid of you-go-gurl rallies and woo most of them into his bed inside of a month.
And a few of those chicks will be avowed lesbians.
LOL!!!
Kola always says that too.
(*with a grin on her face, I notice)
UUUhhnnnnnnn.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 722
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 06:44 pm: |
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Mzuri: "Aren't 21 counts of child porn more severe than one charge of statutory rape?"
I asked you those questions because you appear to asserting that that charging Kelly with Child Porn was sufficient when I believe if he were having sex with an underage child he ALSO should have been with Statutory Rape.
I apologize. I wasn't asserting anything and that was not a rhetorical question. I was asking if the 21 counts were worse than the other 1. Because I don't know the answer to that. |
Prettybabygirl
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Post Number: 350
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:35 pm: |
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TONYA,
Email from Kola:
Tell Tonya (and all) that the New York Post is doing a feature article about me in this Sunday's paper and we did a photo shoot in my boss's office today.
He has this wayyyy long boardroom table and they sat me up looking all important with a big screen t.v. behind me showing "Days of Our Lives" as I peered through scripts.
Tell her (you can just copy/paste this email Lydia if you want) that I hear they also have some movie stills from one of my old movies "Laylat al-Zafif" (The Wedding Night) in the article, so I guess my stupid old Arab movies are about to come back to HAUNT me.
I've already posted pics of my bare ass to go with my tits, though, so I'm not worried. I refuse, and besides--thanks to Blockbuster Video and how HOT I was back then, I'll finally be popular with black men in a big way.
Today was kind of a bummer because I was asked about the STAR JONES thing in front of a large group of people and I told my honest opinion about the situation. Nobody agreed with me and I insisted that Barbara Walters is a typical two-faced white bitch and Rosie O'Donnell needs my foot up her ass--bloated fucking COW. Girl it was gett'n too deep.
One guy accused me of supporting STAR mainly because she's black, and you know me--I admitted it. If I don't have her back when she's been fucked over by caucasoids, who will?
My "new people" turned white as a ghost. Just floored. What did they expect me to say?
I told them: From now on, I'll tell the truth in Arabic and speak English the rest of the time.
I'll try to post if I can tomorrow.
Kola
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Tonya
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Post Number: 2800
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 02:38 am: |
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Wasn't he breaking the law when he was fucking and probably pissing on Aaliyah? So where was the concern then? Oh. I. see. He was getting her paid as well. Anyhoo, some of us "sistagurls" are turned off by the constant plain as day “duplicity” of some spineless cowardly bitches (YVETTE) and some equally fraudulent assholes on this thread.
We still stand for justice though:
No justice no peace!
Well alright. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 1071
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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Well, I do not see how I am a "spineless cowardly b****," but OK. (Or were you saying I am turned off by them?)
I cannot remember the full circumstances following the disclosure of the Kelly-Aaliyah marriage. Somehow, I have the sense that all that may have been "settled" quietly within her family, but I admit my memory could be wrong here.
I do not personally support pedophilia in the context of marriage any more than I do in non-marriage contexts: Which is why I say "BS" to some of these cult-like situations where men claim God has instructed them to marry teenage virgins, blah blah.
At any rate it is incredibly sad that there is so much pain in our communities. Too often when voices call for healing, they are mocked. But healing is what is needed. Black women who hate other Black women, but who lament that Black men will not love Black women? I do not understand that. Except to think such beliefs are rooted in pain.
There is often talk of Black women's childrearing needs with regard to new sons. New daughters are needed, too. But too many women who are older and should know better haven't dealt with their own ish and are putting a lot of really bad stuff on their girls.
And so it goes. |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:03 am: |
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R. Kelly/Aaliyah Marriage
Aaliyah had NO idea that she was going to get wed to R. Kelly. He invited her up into a hotel room, and right before her was a preacher with a Bible and a small ceremony. She was pressured into it. |
Fortified
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Post Number: 119
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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Also that 14 year-old girl on the tape is the niece of R&B singer Sparkle. Sparkle did work with R. Kelly several years back. I am certain he knew her age before he did the deed. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 2806
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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You know Yvette, I could easily assume that you are one of those black women who hate other black women…not just by one…but by many of the comments you’ve made on these boards and lack thereof. I don't claim to know you well enough to make such an assumption though--and because I don't know you, I don't care to make one either. You obviously feel differently, and that's fine. But to comment on your faint rather baseless assumption, in the manner which you have chosen, is infact completely spineless; and to add to it, it’s catty and maliciously juvenile. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:29 pm: |
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Tonya are you on drugs?? Yvette is one of the most credible compassionate posters on this board. She always stays above the fray and avoids name-calling and is dead on with her sources and incisive comments. She supports black sisterhood and is pro-family. I don't see how you are drawing the malicious inferences you make from the comments she made. How you could jock Kola and debase Yvette, I don't know. |
Abm
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Post Number: 4854
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:56 pm: |
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Tonya,
I second Cynique, here.
Where the hell you come off castigating Yvettep like THAT up in here?
She's, by FAR, amongst the smartest, fairest and CALMEST people who frequent this joint.
And we're blessed to have her here.
Go piss on the shoes of some of those self-hating kneegrows and leave Yvettep BE. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 1072
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 02:39 pm: |
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Thanks, Cynique, ABM. Tonya, I can only say that I hope all of us here can disagree with anyone else as well as electronically "speak" in whatever voice is comfortable to us without being perceived as "spineless," Black-women-hating, etc. And that would include choosing not to speak in threads that we perceive as unnecessarily mean-spirited, counter-productive--or that we just plain do not have time to participate in.
Have a great and safe weekend and holiday, everyone. Hope it's a long weekend for you!
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Tonya
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Post Number: 2808
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:17 pm: |
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"I can only say that I hope all of us here can disagree with anyone else as well as electronically "speak" in whatever voice is comfortable to us without being perceived as "spineless," Black-women-hating, etc."
Agreed. But this would require you to be a little more forthright and come to ME rather than refer to me and a conversation we had more than a year ago, in a discussion where I ‘m not even present. I’m not saying we shouldn’t speak our minds however way we see fit. But when we do it on the sly and get called on being a cowardly spineless bitch, we don’t weasel our way out of it or expect any kind of sympathy…not from me
ABM AND CYNNIQUE: I DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHO SHE IS. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 4702
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It's not who Yvette is. It's what she is. And what she is, is distinctively different from what you are. Thank goodness! LOL |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 1073
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:32 pm: |
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refer to me and a conversation we had more than a year ago
Tonya, I have no idea what you are speaking of here. My life is far too hectic for me to remember specific exchanges I have had with specific people on an Internet discussion board from a year ago! I am stunned. But now I see how you could be upset by what I said, if you thought I was directing it at you. I was sincere when I said I was not necessarily talking about anyone here.
Anyway, I apologize for giving you that impression. (Hopefully you'll take that as real and not "cattiness.")
I cannot remember what your specific previous thoughts were about R Kelly, but now that I think about it I do now remember that you or someone else knew him personally. So I may have said something that was doubly personally troubling. I repeat that I was not referring specifically to you or anyone else on these boards.
And for the record, I know that the last thing I (or anyone else) should expect from these boards is "sympathy"--I know by now that if I cannot stand the heat I need to get the hell up outta this kitchen! LOL
Take care. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2809
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:45 pm: |
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Yeah. Okay. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2824
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 06:14 pm: |
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Cynnique:
It's not who Yvette is. It's what she is. And what she is, is distinctively different from what you are. Thank goodness! LOL
Tonya:
If you had your evil sociopathic way, everybody would be "what" you want. But ya don't. Thank god, oppression, the constitution and the law for THAT. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4709
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 07:05 pm: |
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Oh get a grip, Tonya. You're the loose cannon irrationally attacking Yvette with a lot of name-calling, - typical behavior for you. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2829
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 07:17 pm: |
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I don't know why it's called name calling when you're calling it like it is...
but okay. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 4855
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 07:46 pm: |
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Tonya,
I don't know anything about what you're accusing Yvettep of. But I gottah say your behavior here is kinda, well...WIERD. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2830
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 08:54 pm: |
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"I don't know anything about what you're accusing Yvettep of."
You should have stopped right there or rephrased it altogether. It's well…uh…weird because you DON'T know. I apologize for suggesting you were being an asshole however. You got caught in the crossfire obviously bro. I'm not sure if you could have done anything to have prevented that so again I apologize. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2078
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 09:32 pm: |
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Hi YVETTE! 
I don't know what made Tonya rip your head off and drag it across the field....LOL .....but I'm so sorry sister.
You know I love you.
How's those gorgeous baby girls doing????
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Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1077
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:01 pm: |
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Hey, Kola! They're fine--growing "womanish" in a way that is both joyful and anxiety producing to me, their momma. They will be going into first grade this fall. (I can't even believe it!)
BTW, to you, Kola, and others who have been around when I have lamented on my and my husband's struggle against the Disney princess influence: I do not know if we should take credit but as suddenly as it appeared, their interest in the princesses disappeared. (Fingers crossed that this lasts!)
How are your boys doing these days? |
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