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Nels
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 03:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was in Las Vegas last weekend and stayed at the Golden Nugget; comps. On very routine and unpurposed observation, approximately 65% of the black patrons appeared to be very overweight to extremely obese while only about 20% of virtually every other racial-ethnic class of people looked borderline overweight at best.

Even more odd, blacks with a (strong or significant) "Negroid" phenotype appeared to account for more than 80% of those blacks who could easily be classified as excessively overweight at a minimum. Lay off the KFC? It's going to take a whole lot more than that to get the message across. In truth, the “fat” non-blacks looked repulsive, but the “fat(ter)” blacks looked absolutely disgusting. I would also estimate that in the general pool, 90%+ of blacks who were visibly overweight to obese were women. All along the strip, the same held true as well, as the incidence of black obesity was not an illusion by any stretch of the imagination.

In general, does America really care about its health and how it is perceived by the rest of the world? Mind you, this observation was not planned, scientific, etc., but was only a product of pure coincidence. Perhaps one could visit predominantly white enclaves across the U.S. and come to an opposite assessment, but that might be wishful thinking.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 03:26 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

KFC, Mikky Dees, White Castle, Pork Grinds, Extra Large Ribs, Sock-it-to-me cake, Ding Dongs, 99 Flavors ice cream, Extra Large Fries, Giant Coke, Double Wopper with extra cheese extra bacon extra large fries and king size giant coke.
AA's are the best clients of junk food corporations. Who wants to cook at home when Micky Dees is around the corner where you can super size it. Put all these fat-asses people on drips and ennema. Yuks.....
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 08:38 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

McDonalds has invaded our communities. It's all the children know.

In Philly, McDonalds has Broad st. on lock.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 08:49 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I observed a lot of young Black teenage females tend to be much heavier than the whites ones. And young girls LOOK older because of this. So many of them look to be around 24-28, when in fact they're 14-17 years of age.

It also has a lot to do with our culture pressuring young black females to be "thick", so they eat and eat and eat in hopes to achieve a big round booty like Buffy the Body.

My male best friend used to pressure me to be "thick" by saying I should get up to 190lbs so I can have a bigger ass.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 09:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In a word, yes. Thanks for posting this.

I have been all over this crisis for the past year-I even wrote a book ("Hungry for More")about African Americans and weight-related diseases.

We are a community in denial when it comes to this issue. http://www.ameherald.com/page9.html
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:07 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's a crying shame. I saw an interview with a French woman who compared their (French women) eating habits with American women. She said she drinks red wine with her meals, she enjoys a chocolate truffle everyday. Her foods are sometimes rich and buttery. But you know where the difference lies? The amount. She never goes for seconds, she eats just enough to satisfy and not to bloat. She also lives an active lifestyle (goes for walks, bike rides, etc.).

Control your portion sizes, stop going for seconds, get out and exercise. I eat my meals on a saucer, dinner is eaten from a 9" plate. I NEVER go for seconds, I exercise often.

I hate to hate on the sistas, but they think looking good is getting the nails done and the hair did. They are going around obese and many are complaining about not being able to find a man. Why do you think that is. Men like meat on their bones--not a lard-ridden carcass!!Forget about the hair and nails--focus on the body! I have short nails and a simple hair do, but I have a 26" waist--and I am NEVER dateless for long.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:58 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What and how much they eat is one of the few things over which black americans have control of in their lives. They indulge themselves because food satisfies their appetites and assuages their frustrations. Like everything else, good eating habits have to begin in the home. Soo we know what that leads to. Another "yo momma is so fat" joke.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 11:36 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We use food all the time. For weddings, for wakes, when we are happy when we are sad....I think some folks are addicted to food the way, drunks are addicted to alcohol. And it's killing us.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Robynmarie --

"("Hungry for More")" - Quite interesting.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 02:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

NelS:

"...blacks with a (strong or significant) "Negroid" phenotype appeared to account for more than 80% of those blacks who could easily be classified as excessively overweight at a minimum."

Surprised to hear that--I would have guessed they'd be skinny from working the FEILDS at any places YOU might attend. *ROTFLOL* Seriously though. From your unscientific study it seems like the likelihood of obesity increases with color...like blacker black people are much more prone to obesity. Do you think that this is genetic? And since overeating is strongly linked to depression and other emotional problems, could it be that people with more pigment in their skin suffer a great deal more from these (mental) illnesses as well. And if so, is this also genetic? Or is it related to the environment? If you don't mind.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 02:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

^^^^It's bullshit. Blacks have 10-12% more muscle and bone which may lead to couple more percentage points in fat--but 40-60% body fat. The majority of REAL Native West Africans aren't obese, neither are the Africans in Brazil or the Caribbean. We need to STOP making excuses for lazy-ass overeaters.

America IS a melting pot...of shortening, that is...
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 02:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nels:

You must be insane.
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 02:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

....So the darker people are "lazy-ass overeaters" or are you saying his survey is bullshit?
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

'Cause if his survey is bullshit, you should have said that in the earlier post you made lamenting on how sistahs ain’t good for shit but getting their HAIR and NAILS did…your reason for why they are FAT and DATELESS; and why you are not. Course, had you done that, I wouldn't have wasted my time on this bullshit. Oh well…
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 09:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chrishayden --

"You must be insane."

Remember, I specifically said that this was not a scientific sample, but it was based on observation alone. The interesting thing was that the prevalence of this condition and instance was not lost on the eye of "anyone". Deny all you want, but presence (not words) says it all. But then again, I already know which pew you sit in, in this choir. The darker skin element and obesity just happened to coincide in this observation. No one asked these people to show up, they just did. If you disagree, just go to any other city in the country and report your observation; no science required.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya, girl, you are so funny!!!!! But honest.

Anyways, I say get an infatuation with someone. My family says I'm dropping pounds like crazy....but I'm on the "infatuation diet" and eat little more than soup, a chicken breast, and a few veggies ALL DAY. And that's if I FORCE myself to eat. Some days, I buy a small bag of pretzels for breakfast, and I'm still not finished with it by lunchtime. And again, that's if I'm forcing myself to eat.

I'm seriously NOT HUNGRY and only eat to keep from getting sick.

I'm the first to admit that's quite childish, but I can't quite help it.

So, if it helps.....if you're trying to lose a few pounds, just get a job somewhere and sit next to the finest motherfucker in the office. That'll be good for at least 20 pounds.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 03:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If you disagree, just go to any other city in the country and report your observation; no science required."

This is true. I see it all the time. It's not rocket science to see the same observation over and over and over again regardless where you are in the country.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 03:25 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the past (over 200 years ago), black women would get fat in order to escape sexual assault by white men. Instead of having a beautifull body which would attract the attention of various white men, black women would make sure that they do not attract white men who would assault them by being physically obese thus not sexually attractive. Even though times have changed the attitude had not changed with time.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 09:05 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anunaki3600
This is not the reason black women (or anyone gains weight)

Folks gain weight because they eat more than they burn. Super-sized meals + lack of exercise=overweight and obese.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Renata, but I was actually quite serious about my questions: if darker skinned people are 80% more likely to be obese than other black people, is it their genetics, their environment, or are they lazier than other black people?

.....Nels? Ntfs_encryption? Please??????

(1) If it's their genetics, what's the difference between theirs and other black people? (Trust me (!), I won't be offended.)

(2) If it's their environment, what's different about that?

(3) And if they are lazier...what is it about their genetics and/or environment that make them differ that way?

Details please........
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:33 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Performing your original search, obesity and inequalities, in PubMed will retrieve 3128 citations.


1: Brunner EJ et al. Social inequality in coronary...[PMID: 9389428] Related Articles, Links

PMID- 9389428
OWN - NLM
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LR - 20041117
PUBM- Print
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TI - Social inequality in coronary risk: central obesity and the metabolic
syndrome. Evidence from the Whitehall II study.
PG - 1341-9
AB - This report describes the social distribution of central obesity and the
metabolic syndrome at the Whitehall II study phase 3 examination, and
assesses the contribution of health related behaviours to their
distribution. Cross-sectional analyses were conducted utilising data
collected in 1991-1993 from 4978 men and 2035 women aged 39-63 years who
completed an oral glucose tolerance test. There was an inverse social
gradient in prevalence of the metabolic syndrome. The odds ratio (95%
confidence interval) for having the metabolic syndrome comparing lowest
with highest employment grade was: men 2.2 (1.6-2.9), women 2.8 (1.6-4.8).
Odds ratios for occupying the top quintile of the following variables,
comparing lowest with highest grade, were, for waist-hip ratio: men 2.2
(1.8-2.8), women 1.6 (1.1-2.4); post-load glucose: men 1.4 (1.1-1.8),
women 1.8 (1.2-2.6); triglycerides: men 1.6 (1.2-2.0), women 2.2
(1.5-3.3); fibrinogen: men 1.7 (1.4-2.3), women 1.9 (1.2-2.8). Current
smoking status, alcohol consumption and exercise level made a small
contribution (men 11%, women 9%) to the inverse association between
socioeconomic status and metabolic syndrome prevalence. In conclusion,
central obesity, components of the metabolic syndrome and plasma
fibrinogen are strongly and inversely associated with socioeconomic
status. Our findings suggest the metabolic syndrome may contribute to the
biological explanation of social inequalities in coronary risk. Health
related behaviours appear to account for little of the social patterning
of metabolic syndrome prevalence.
AD - International Centre for Health and Society, Department of Epidemiology
and Public Health, University College London Medical School, UK.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 11:08 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

..link to previous page: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=pubmed
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya,

Nels and Ntfs_encryption are the same person.
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Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 08:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My observation, and it is bourne out in Robynmarie's article, is that children in low income households are much more likely to be overweight. Their diet is generally lower in protein and higher in starch and a large majority of them are latch key (home in front of the TV after school). I suppose there could be a difference, but I haven't noticed it. Last time I looked, fat came in all colors; and pink and white fat was definitely nastier looking than chocolate. If there is a difference, it's not genetics. It's poor eating and exercise habits, the fact that historically lighter skinned AAs have had better socio-economic opportunities and the positive 'built like a brick shithouse' image in our culture that has many women tottering on the edge of overweight at an early age.
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 12:27 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brownbeauty123 --

"Nels and Ntfs_encryption are the same person."

You could never be more wrong. Get you head out of your ass.

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Brownbeauty123 --

"Nels and Ntfs_encryption are the same person."

You could never be more wrong. Get (your) head out of your ass.

Spelling please...
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 12:30 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brownbeauty123 --

p.s., Will the next "dumb (ph)uck" please step forward.
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 11:54 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Will the next "dumb (ph)uck" please step forward. "

Nels, this time put your left foot forward THEN your right.. Ntfs_encryption your alter ego will follow behind you.
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 12:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's not just black people getting fatter...folks are even maker BIGGER CASKETS!!~

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13507417/
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 02:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Most Americans are considered to be clinicially overweight, if not outright fat. And the AMA says over 30% of Americans would qualify as being obese.
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 09:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Nels and Ntfs_encryption are the same person."

Oh really? And why is that?
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The Americans seem to practice medicine that is reactive rather than proactive. Instead of practicing preventative medicine to prevent many illnesses, of catching them in their early stages, they tend to treat illnesses when they become fullblown. Is this due to the fact that there is no universal healthcare there?
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No, a lot of people are in HMOs that work a lot like a universal healthcare program. Many just don't like to go to the doctor (most of these are men :o) ), don't believe in taking vitamins and refuse to accept that salt and fat, taken in excess, are poison.
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Brownbeauty123 --

"Nels, this time put your left foot forward THEN your right.. Ntfs_encryption your alter ego will follow behind you."

Since you don't (really) seem to "get" (as in understand) the fact that "Ntfs_encryption" and myself are "NOT" the same person -- and since you appear to revel in absurd and perhaps baseless assumptions, why don't you simply ask the site administrator to do an IP Address comparision on the two ID's. But then again, that might be too much bandwidth for a mind like yours to handle.

On the other hand, consider taking your "little" chocolate brown self and jump in a bowl candy coating, fall on a corporate logo, and go for a "roll" on a hot sunny day. You..you..you...little colorstruck complainer. :-)
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 01:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Robynmarie --

"It's not just black people getting fatter...folks are even maker BIGGER CASKETS!!~"

In the end, that is the (whole) point. Americans by and large are getting fatter and fatter, but don't seem to be all that much concerned with the possibility that they are probably reducing their lifespans by ten to fifteen years or more. Hmmm...

What perplexes many others is that the purposely fat folks seem to want to try and force the rest of society to accept their fat asses. No dice. There is absolutely no excuse for not taking action when the consequences can be so dire and devastating. Stop trying to "explain away" your condition, as many others say.

The chronically overweight need to stop blaming everything else under the sun when the real problem is their own apathetic assessment of life everytime they lay their eyes on a heaping helping of anything that comes to mind. What's wrong with simply practicing eating in "moderation"? But then again, that would require common sense.
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Nels,

you hate dark people.
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 01:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brownbeauty123 --

"you hate dark people"

I'm glad that you finally expressed how you really feel about (yourself). And remember -- I never said or implied that I hated dark people, (you) did.
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Brownbeauty123
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 04:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was referring to NELS A LIGHTSKIN BLACK MALE WHO HATES DARKSKIN PEOPLE.

That should clear it for you.
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 05:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nels, it's funny you call ME colorstruck..

when on your FREETIME you observe who is fatter between lightskin and darkskin Black people..

& of course DARKSKIN and more Negroid looking people are fatter to you-- what a surprise!

and then you go on to take more time out of your life to POST an ENTIRE thread about it.

Yeah, you're sooooo colorblind.
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brownbeauty123 --

Look at the "sense" of your logic, or perhaps lack of it. Where is it? My post was an observation that anyone is free to repeat, dispute, critique or "prove" wrong. Do the world a favor, and get off your self-denigrating color wagon. You just might like who you see in the mirror, but then again...
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"My post was an observation that anyone is free to repeat, dispute, critique or "prove" wrong."

And what kind of ppl would usually care to participate in this type of observation?? Hypocritical color-obsessed bastards like you, perhaps


"You just might like who you see in the mirror, but then again... "

it's a possibility a high yellow Spongebob colored faggot named Nels might appear..

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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brownbeauty123 --

You can do better than that. Too bad you weren't a subject in that (casual) on-the-fly observation.

"it's a possibility a high yellow Spongebob colored faggot named Nels might appear"

Obviously, since you don't know me, the dereliction of your dialogue is beginning to show.

And by the way, keep rolling your little chocolate ass down that hot pavement. One might wonder if every "high yellow Spongebob colored faggot (amusing)" on the planet might simply stand by and watch your little chocolate behind melt under the hot Tuscan Sun.

Ain't life just grand. :-)
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why do you always refer to my skin color?
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 08:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brownbeauty123 --

"Why do you always refer to my skin color?"

Because it is not your skin color, but the reference to your skin color that is your weakness. By itself, skin color means virtually nothing. It's the behaviors and associations that are linked to that attribute that cause the problems. The message "IS" that no one on these boards hates anyone. We joust with each other with a certain amount of respect, caution and sometimes disdain. And...what we do realize is that disagreement is the best medium for creative dialog. If you think skin color is the issue, you're misguided.

"http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_f.htm"

Personally (in reference to the above link), I think that Harris Faulkner by far outshines and outclasses (Dari Alexander, Angela McGlowan, Lauren Green, Uma Pemmaraju and Arthel Neville), though I certainly wouldn't kick any of them out of bed. Color is also defined as perception, and everyone is entitled to their own perception, without having to answer to anyone else. The challenge is when that line is crossed and that perception is manipulated (and implemented) to the detriment of any one group. But then again, who ever said that rules were make to be followed...

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