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Abdi85
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Username: Abdi85
Post Number: 53
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 05:51 am: | 
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I saw X3 a few nights ago, it sucked for the most part but there were some funny parts. The illusions to racial and sexual minorities was too obvious but it's a summer action flim, you just want to sit down and watch things blow up. But I have to say it has its moments.
Favourite line: "I don't answer to my slave name"- Mystique(the blue lady) after being called Raven, her birth name. I thought that was hilarious a little retarded but hilarius none the less I don't see why other people didn't see that was a laugh out loud moment. Go figure. What did all of you think about that and the film in general? |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 376
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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i thought it was better than the first two... personally i think everyone who directed, wrote, and did the special effects should do all super heor/ comic book movies... cept for the matrix... that can't be touched. |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 37
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 01:36 pm: |
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I grew up reading the comics, so I was disappointed with some of the blatant inconsistencies. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4686
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 05:02 pm: |
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Kenology,
I grew up a comic book reader too. Shame on them for interjecting the Phoenix into that farce!
(I know it's difficult for you to do. But Chris if you can please abstain from slobbering over the groin areas of your favorite comic book heroes, I'd be much obliged.) |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1047
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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I am married to a Marvel man. And he was none too happy with the treatment of Storm. I have taken all three at face value, and have enjoyed them. I really love the story and its multiple metaphors for current issues.
Do you all think it will be back for a fourth? (In another forum I have joked that they should do a hip-hop version: "DM-X-Men" LOL!) |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 40
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 07:21 pm: |
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@ ABM - I feel you man... If they were gonna do the Phoenix, you had to introduce the whole Shi'ar Empire. But how 'bout these:
1). Psylocke was in the movie, but she can just appear outta thin air? That's not her power!
2). Professor X and Juggernaut didn't know each other... They're effin' half brothers! They did the same thing in the first movie (Wolverine & Sabretooth), and the second movie was the worst (Wolverine & Lady Deathstrike / Rogue, Nightcrawler, & Mystique)
3). The mutant-power-nulifying-kid, who was supposed to be Leech (one of the Morlocks) actually had an effect on Juggernaut. Juggernaut is not a mutant!
@ Yvettep - Yes, Storm is my second favorite X-men, and these movies do her character no justice. She had a bigger role in X-men 3, but she got her ass whooped too much for me. Storm can FIGHT. She has a brawl game without her powers. Very disappointing. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2294
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Abm:
It looks like in Kenology you have found a soul mate--
Let me ask the both of you this--
You know the Superman--or the Overman--appeared first in Nietzche who also stated that God is dead.
Do you think Superheroes are a negation of God? Instead of calling on God you call on Superman to save us--which is in effect saying that we don't need God, but some Overman or Superman? How often do any of the superheroes call on God, go to Church, etc?
I can't recall any--wait I think that Daredevil sometimes goes to confession lately, but afterward he goes around wearing a tight, all red suit and taking the law into his own hands (and he's a devil on top of it)
How much do you think all this reflects the world view of young, left leaning non practicing Jews of the 30's? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4692
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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Yvettep,
There are clubs of Marvel fans all over the world who privately gather together for the expressed purpose of sticking needles into and burning dolls of Halle Berry's Storm.
Kenology,
I agree the whole Professor X and Juggernaut things is just a gotdayam travesty. They could have left Juggy out of the whole dayam thing if they were going to do THAT.
Chris,
Didn't your foks tell you that it's OKAY to NOT believe everything you read? |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1051
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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who privately gather together for the expressed purpose of sticking needles into and burning dolls of Halle Berry's Storm
LOL! Just for the record, tho, it is not Halle that my husband objects to (well, not mainly Halle...) but the fact that in the comics she was apparently so powerful but in the movies she has been pretty wimpy and even subservient.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4699
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:49 am: |
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Yvettep,
I guess the problem with X-3 is since it's is reputed to be the LAST X-men film to be made (Yeah, right. Let's see Hollywood TRY to not make another addition to a franchise that's made over a billion bucks!), the producers and director wanted to cram every bit of X-men lore into the movie. |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 394
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 01:12 am: |
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check this out ... you comic book nerdz! 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Cage
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4573
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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Yvette, Halle objected to her inocuous role too, and supposedly wanted script approval before she signed on for the sequel. One of my sons has been an X-Man fan since childhood, and he had no big problem with Halle playing Storm. He was more concerned about how well cast the male characters would be and he thought Hugh Jackman made an excellent Wolverine. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 214
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 04:39 pm: |
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The movie was ok. I went to see the special effects. I can’t get excited about the characters because I started reading the original X-Men from the Silver Age (the original X-Men debuted in 1963). Most of the characters you saw portrayed in the movie did not exist then. They are not the original X-Men. They all came much later.
After their introduction in the early 60’s, the X-Men series waned for a while. But in 1975, Marvel revived the series with a new roster. The X-Men series slowly gained a sizable readership again. By the early 1980s, the series had become one of the best-selling series in the American comic book industry. Because of it’s success, it spawned spin-offs such as “The New Mutants”, “X-Factor”, “Excalibur” and the “Wolverine”. And by the early 1990s, “The Uncanny X-Men” was one of the best-selling comic books.
I still have many of the original X-Men in my collection. I was caught up in the awesome area of Marvel artists like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko and the writing of Stan Lee. These three revolutionized comic book super heroes forever. Not judging the new characters but I can’t get beyond the originality (Kirby, Ditko and Lee) of the Silver Age X-Men and other super heroes (e.g. Fantastic Four, Captain America, Thor, Spider Man, the Hulk, et al). I will admit the artists today are very talented but I guess everyone has a preference.
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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2311
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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It seems like it sucks. It has taken in half of what it will take to break even, and every week the box office sank 50% plus--sure sign that it sucks.
The studio did the smart thing and released it over the holiday weekend when the mindless shmoos will pay to see anything--
Perhaps this is the end of that silly series-- |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1062
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 05:24 pm: |
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More on the Storm controversy:
From YourSITE.com
Movies
X-Men’s Weak Storm
By Makani Themba-Nixon--SeeingBlack.com Contributing Writer
Jun 16, 2006, 12:38
I came out of the latest installment of the X-Men movie series, “The Last Stand,” like most fans of the comic book: deeply disappointed. Some were upset by the limited screen time of aficionado favorites like Angel (precursor to Archangel), while others lamented the two dimensional vilification of Magneto, X-Men antagonist and leader for mutant self determination. My own issue has been smoldering over the entire series – the disempowerment and basic all around “girlification” of X-Men leader Storm.
Given the name Ororo, Stan Lee fashioned Storm much like the Yoruba-based deity Oya whose powers, like Storm, also include control over weather. Although Lee’s Storm hails from East Africa and Oya out of West Africa, Storm’s many Black fans have long reconciled the differences on their own terms through a growing body of writing on “fantasy noir” sites across the web.
Why would filmmakers cast the coquettish Berry to play the fierce and dominating Storm in the first place? Given the fact that the film was put out by Fox, one might suspect the worst. However, one can only surmise that the filmmakers lacked the imagination to get beyond the bankable Berry, thinking they needed to tone down the only Black heroine to star in a major comic book franchise. And that’s too bad.
The comic book Storm’s cold blooded, self-assured fearlessness conjures up more of a Grace Jones or Angela Bassett than the cowering, wimpy character Berry brings to the screen. According to a recent interview, Berry expressed concern about the role saying she hoped to do more than ‘go get the plane’ in the trilogy’s final installment (Washington Post, “Halle Storm,” May 27, 2006)
“All I ever wanted was for Storm to have a point of view. She’s a strong woman and a strong character — very opinionated while being the earth mother of the group. A woman who is from Africa, who has strong feelings about being in this country and being not only discriminated against but dealing with her mutation, which was revered in her country, but looked down upon in this one. All I wanted was for her to have a voice.”
And Berry does give her voice but one that bears little resemblance to the Storm that helped make the comic book franchise the most popular of all time. In fact, Storm was the exact opposite of earth mother for the group. She led the X-Men through much of the series and was its most daring member.
X-Men creator Stan Lee first conceived of the series as an allegory about race relations in the United States. The two leading characters, Professor X and Magneto, represented Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X respectively and the emergence of mutants in his fictional world was a direct parallel to the struggle for racial justice in the real world.
The comic book deftly explored tensions between integration and self determination, of “otherness” and gender issues while providing some of the most interesting and complex characters in mainstream comic genre.
Storm’s character was a bright spot in the relentless denigration of Black women in media. Her character operated as a strong metaphor for what it means to be a Black woman in the United States. In Africa, she was revered as a goddess and a queen. In the United States she faces fear and bigotry but she remains tough, unapologetic, strong; a warrior in every sense of the word.
The movie series stripped Storm of her power and the storyline of all its potency. The comic’s artful portrayals of the complex relationships among mutants across the continuum of the political spectrum are reduced to two dimensional good versus evil. Magneto’s character in the comic series had a strong sense of love for “his people.” He would not harm other mutants and saw the struggle for self determination as key to liberation and dealing with humans on equal terms. The vilification of his character in the film served to mute these important themes in favor of advancing jingoism and assimilation.
The plot (based on the comic classic “Dark Phoenix”) offered plenty of opportunities to explore these questions of identity and difference and still blow up enough stuff to make bank. Filmmakers even added the potent dilemma of a mutant “cure,” which provided rich writing possibilities. Unfortunately, what started as a pretty interesting idea was mostly used as a vehicle for bio weaponry and transfiguring special effects.
X-Men provided filmmakers with an opportunity to bring a compelling story to the screen featuring a strong Black character. Given the fact that the comic book series is the best selling of all time, it would not have been much of a risk to keep that much of the franchise intact. If filmmakers could not deal well with race and gender on a property that already had a track record with audiences, it certainly does not bode well for these themes in future films.
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Want to let them know? Email the movie site or write Fox directly and click on the “Ask Fox” form on their site. Makani Themba-Nixon is a writer and media critic based in the Washington, DC area. Her latest book with Hunter Cutting is Talking the Walk: Communications Guide to Racial Justice. This piece was adapted from a post on wimnonline.org/WIMNsVoicesBlog
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4706
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 06:02 pm: |
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Yvettep,
If you search the archives of this website, you'll discover that I YEARS ago I expressed some critisms about Berry's being cast as Storm that are very SIMILAR to those expressed in your article. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4597
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:54 pm: |
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Boy it hard out there being a super hero. Now certain pundits are remarking that in the latest film version of Superman, he not only comes across as Jewish but as - GAY! |
Abdi85
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Username: Abdi85
Post Number: 62
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 02:55 am: |
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Superman Jewish and gay? Way to give white America a heart attack! Actually both these interpretations can be backed up. I mean Superman's origin story is very Moses if you look at it (ok maybe I'm grasping at straws here). And the gay thing well you can look at the whole secret identity thing. He has to keep his secret identity or he/those he loves will be physically harmed and he'll never catch a break (its pretty much the same for gay people in the closet except they are the ones in fear of getting attacked). Plus that whole thing about hiding something "different" about you for fear of how people will respond. I don't know I could be crazy but the whole Jewish and gay thing doesn't sound so far off when you think about it. Maybe poor Supes has been wasting his time with Lois when he really had the hots for Lex (I mean no one lets a mere human try to kill you and those you love frequently without offing them the first time out espically if your superman. Maybe he was keeping him around for a reason.)LOL.
Damn now I feel bad, I love superman I think I just crossed some line, my 9 year old self is very pissed! LOL. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4600
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
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What next? Will Batman be outed as a pedophile who favors young boys who wear shorts and masks??? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2321
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 02:55 pm: |
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Cynique:
Batman was so outed in 1954 in a book titled Seduction of the Innocent by Dr. Fredrerick Wertham--he noted how their home life--no females, only a male butler in the house was a "homosexual wish dream" and featured panels from the comic with them lounging around stately Wayne Manor in dressing gowns with Bruce Waynes hand suggestively on Dick Grayson's arm--he supposedly got his data from interviews with juvenile delinquents all of whom he found read comic books.
Superman is Jewish. His creators were two Jewish guys, Siegel and Shuster. His real name is Kal-El, sort of faux Hebrew. His origin is like Moses's (being placed in a rocket ship as a babe in swaddling clothes, etc). Plus it has been pointed out in his identity as Clark Kent he is like the Jew passing for a goy--he wears spectacles and his hair is straight--when he is Superman the glasses come off and he gets that curl--it is an in joke in the comic book business which was dominated by Jews.
The gay thing I don't know about--maybe Abm can enlighten us with his refined Gaydar. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4712
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:11 pm: |
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Chris,
No Chris. I'm sure if there's ANYONE here who's expert in all gay matters and culture, it's YOU. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2324
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:31 pm: |
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Wikipedia on Seduction of the Innocent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent
Abm:
I'm going to tear your comicbook playhouse down! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4715
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:59 pm: |
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Chris: "Seduction of the Innocent was a book by Dr. Fredric Wertham, published in 1954, that warned that comic books were a bad form of popular literature and a serious cause of juvenile delinquency."
1954?
Jesus Christ, man!
Wasn't that around the same time mofo's were running around in this country fallaciously fingering EVERYBODY for being COMMUNISTS? |
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