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     Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 300 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Anyone for it ? or against it? | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 2280 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
I would never have an abortion. I would never force anyone else to have one. Though certain people on this site no doubt have got the idea that I am a mysoginist (I--the best friend feminism ever had! Reach for the smelling salts. Clutch the pearls!) I do think it is a woman's body and it is on her. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 609 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yes, it's the woman's body, but . . . If our Mothers had abortions - none of us would be here. I feel that we should treasure and cherish each and every sacred life and take responsibility. The same way that our parents did. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4535 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
I think a woman's body is her domain and she is its sole judge, jury, and "executioner". As a jury it should be her decision to have an abortion in the first trimester when the embryo is not viable.I think there is a difference between potential life and actual living in that living involves breathing. As the judge she should be the one to decide whether she should endure a full term pregnancy which originated with rape, incest or simply by accident. As for us not being here had our mothers had abortions, no biggie to me. How could I miss somethng I never had?? Also, since I believe in reincarnation, I believe that if a soul misses one body, it'll catch another. I have 5 kids, had 2 abortions and retain no regrets. I don't expect anybody to agree with me and am not trying to sway anyone to my point of view. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 2282 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
What kind of argument is that? If I had never been born why would I care? What you think we would be sitting up on a cloud somewhere, looking down, crying, whispering "My mammy didn't want me?" while we strummed on our hearts? Don't you think the world could have got along without you--as it did once and it will one day soon? Think of all you would have missed--war, crime, violence, hate, discrimination, lies, garbage, bullshit, and the horrible realization that any minute could be your last? When you are really honest what have you got out of this vale of tears? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4670 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
I am very ambivalent about abortion. I likely wouldn't, for some of the reasons cited above, attempt to prohibit it. But I also think that abortion is murder. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 2285 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Abm: Of course that is your right. But then where do you take that? I mean, you think it is murder. But then you wouldn't prohibit it. You wouldn't prohibit murder? Myself I don't think it is murder unless the child is viable and unless the woman's life is not in danger--but then again, what does it matter what I think? I'm not going to help that woman raise that child. I'm not going to give her a dime or come in and talk to it when it gets here. I think the world would have been better off if some people had been aborted. What misery in this life for an unwanted child? Then somebody will say well they can always put them up for adoption. That's right--carry that child like some sort of dray mule and then take all the risks of delivering it (even in these scientific days you can still die in childbirth) and then give it up and take all that heat and maybe have the kid sitting around brooding over why mama didn't want me-- What if you had Hitler's mother? Think of what the world would have been saved if she'd had an abortion. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4537 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Oh shut, up chrishayden. I have no intentions of justifying what I say on this subject. I believe in reincarnation. Nuff said. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 613 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abortion should definitely NOT be used as a form of birth control. Or because the baby will be an "inconvenience." If you don't want to get pregnant, then you should abstain or use birth control (prophylactics, the pill, the patch, spermicidal foam and/or suppositories, diaphragm, IUD, etc.). You know - there's about 25 different methods of birth control - so for a woman to have an abortion because she didn't use preventative measures - that's just plain STUPID!!! NOTE: My comments do not pertain to incidents of rape, fathers having incestuous relations with their daughters, and all the other perverted scenarios imaginable. I'm only referring to normal adult situations. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 301 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
I know a lot of young women my age who use abortion as a form of birth control. One girl I knew had four abortions by four different men. Is safe sex unrealistic? Every girl I know that became sexually active as a teen has been pregnant at least once. Some chose to keep the baby, others had miscarriages, and more common many had abortions. I'm the only young woman out of my social group that has never been pregnant before in my life. I feel odd. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 615 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
BB - Do you think that's right??? Four abortions??? | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 302 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
LOL Heck no. I wonder if she can even have kids now. But is safe sex even realistic? Like I said before, every young woman I know or heard of that is sexually active has gotten knocked up at some point. All of my cousins started having kids as teens. One has four children and she's 20 years old. She started having babies at 13 yrs old. What's going on? I notice a lot of young Black girls are the main ones who become teen mothers more than any other racial group. Are condoms too expensive? | ||
| Urban_scribe Newbie Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
I agree with Mzuri. In this day and age abortion should never be used as a method of birth control. Under normal circumstances, a woman is either stupid or an immature, irresponsible heifer if she has to resort to abortion to terminate an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy. Here's something else I've thought about on the topic: abortion does not consider the rights of the father. Let's say a woman conceives a child with a man who tells her "Hey, I just wanted to hit it and step. I'm wasn't planning on being tied to you for the rest of my life. You need to go to the chop-shop so we can both go our separate ways and call it a day." And she says, "No! I want the baby. I'm keeping the baby." She now has the right to haul his ass into family court and the court will order that he provides support, health insurance and daycare for a child he never wanted till the kid reaches its majority. If not, they'll garnish his wages, fuck-up his credit, etc. Let's flip it: "Honey, I'm pregnant," she sobbed. "Really? That's fantastic! I thought this day would never come. I'm so looking forward to becoming a dad. I'm going to be a great father. I can't wait!" he exclaimed. "I'm not keeping it. You have to understand, I'm working toward my PhD. I'm still not established in my career the way I'd like to be and a baby would put my whole life on hold. There's just no way I can have a baby now." LEGALLY, there isn't a damn thing he could do to stop her because it's her body and the mother assumes all risks during pregnancy. BUT it did take two to tango, no? However, the father's rights don't come into play until AFTER the baby's born. That's provided the mother doesn't terminate the pregnancy with or without his consent or even his knowledge. How 'bout that? I have four children. It hasn't always been easy or ideal, and it still isn't. But the thought of abortion never once crossed my mind. ~us | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4671 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Chris, Just because I don't wholly agree with something doesn't mean I feel I can or should do anything to prohibit such. Ladies, If we're going to allow for legal abortions, then how and why can we justify placing ANY rules/prohibitions on how/why/when they should occur? The rates of Black teen mothers have greatly decreased over the last 10 - 15 years. But the rate of Black abortions is close to twice that of others. Perhaps there is some correlations there. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4672 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Urban_scribe, YEP! That's pretty much how biased things are against fathers. When a pregnancy occurs, the woman get's to do what she wants to do, and the man gets to do what SHE wants him to do. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 303 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Between an unmarried couple, it's all up to the woman whether or not she wants to keep the baby. Regardless of what the man thinks or says. SHE has the final say. If the couple is married, then I think it should be a mutual decision. BOTH parties need to agree on something. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4673 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Brownbeauty123's: "If the couple is married, then I think it should be a mutual decision. BOTH parties need to agree on something." In America, a WIFE can legally have an abortion without her HUSBAND even having prior knowledge that she were ever even pregnant to begin with. And I WAGER that about a 5 - 10 such abortions have occurred in this country within the time it took for me to write this post. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 304 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Let's say a woman conceives a child with a man who tells her "Hey, I just wanted to hit it and step. I'm wasn't planning on being tied to you for the rest of my life. You need to go to the chop-shop so we can both go our separate ways and call it a day." And she says, "No! I want the baby. I'm keeping the baby." She now has the right to haul his ass into family court and the court will order that he provides support, health insurance and daycare for a child he never wanted till the kid reaches its majority. If not, they'll garnish his wages, fuck-up his credit, etc. " That's why the woman should have the final say. (Regarding unmarried couples) Abortions can be quite dangerous and she has the right to determine whether or not she wants to put her body through a risky procedure. And the scenario you described sounds like the typical man who just wants to get a "nut" off without thinking of the possibly consquences. This is what happens when you screw around with chicks that you only want pu$$y from. Just keep your dick in your pants if you don't want sh!t like this happening to you. Honestly. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 305 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
ABM: I think that its very deceptive for a wife to do such a thing. I think the husband has as much say as the wife does. That law should change. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4674 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Brownbeauty123's: "And the scenario you described sounds like the typical man who just wants to get a "nut" off without thinking of the possibly consquences. This is what happens when you screw around with chicks that you only want pu$$y from. Just keep your dick in your pants if you don't want sh!t like this happening to you. Honestly." The woman might be and often is JUST as selfish, lustful and irresponsible as the man. The difference is she can DECIDE whether or not she wants to abort, put the kid of for adoption, leave it at your local hospital or raise it. But the guy is pretty much forced to do what the woman wants. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 307 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"The woman might be and often is JUST as selfish, lustful and irresponsible as the man. The difference is she can DECIDE whether or not she wants to abort, put the kid of for adoption, leave it at your local hospital or raise it. But the guy is pretty much forced to do what the woman wants." Why should someone not commited to you have the final say in what you do with your body? | ||
| Mony Newbie Poster Username: Mony Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abortion is every women's right if she so chooses. If, according to her beliefs, be it religous or humanist, to continue her pregnancy so be it. However, if she chooses to abort her fetus for whatever reason, there should be no restrictions as to why she is doing so. A woman is the sovereign of her body so, has the right to do as she pleases with it good or bad. When men start getting pregnant then they can choose as to whether or not they want an abortion rightly or wrongly, according to their own beliefs. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4545 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
There is a pill out there that pro-choice groups are trying to get the FDA to make an over-the-counter drug which when taken within 24 hours of unprotected sex can stop ovulation. This is a dfferent method from the RU 14 morning-after-pill which prevents a fertilzed egg from implanting itself on the lining of the uterus. But the pro-life fanatics most of whom are pro capital punishment, are fighting both of these methods because they want to dictate what course of action a pregnant female should take. I might add that very few pregnancies are "planned". If a fertile woman is in a position to afford a baby and has no big problem with having a child then she just goes on ahead with an unscheduled pregnancy. And getting right down to it, using a contraception is thwarting life from fully developing because an egg is an organic cell; same goes for menstruation which is the residue of an unfertilized egg, comparable to a miscarriage. IMO, the male's role in the abortion equation is secondary unless of course he wants to carry the baby in his body and eject it out of his asshole. | ||
| Mony Newbie Poster Username: Mony Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
If millions of men were to wake up pregnant tommorrow, the first time they got a contraction, there would be mass suicides all round. And yes it is hypocritical to promote capital punishment and and be anti-abortion. Pro-life means just that. Why discriminate between abortion and capital punishment? You can't have it both ways. As for criminalizing abortion what does one want to do? Go back to the days of back alley abortions when women for whatever reason, out of desperation or such, resorted to this type of butchery? Again it dependss on one's moral compass. If you think of abortion as 'murder', don't get one if you have no qualms against it, then proceed should the need arise. However don't turn around and try to restrict or criminalize the procedure for those who want one for whatever reason. | ||
| Yvettep "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Yvettep Post Number: 1044 Registered: 01-2005 Rating: N/A |
As someone said: The difference between a chicken and a pig in an egg and sausage breakfast? The chicken was involved; The pig was committed. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4677 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Question: Should a pregnant woman be allowed to smoke, drink alcohol, consume potent prescription drugs and/or partake of ANY other legal activities that might cause serious, permanent harm to the child(ren) she's carrying? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4678 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
This whole "a woman should be free to do with her body what she will" is really NOT the most valid argument for supporting abortion. Why? Because here are a few things the law does NOT permit a person to do with her[& his] body: @ Strip naiked and run around up/down Chicago's Michigan Avenue. @ Eat the hot lead fired from a 9mm pistol. @ Fallaciously scream "Fire!" in a crowded public building. @ Inject heroin into one's own veins. I support a woman's right to choose an abortion. But I DON'T think one has absolute sovereignty over one's body...ESPECIALLY when what one does with one's body greatly effect the fortunes of OTHERS. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4546 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
You know that a specious argument ABM. It's not about what a woman does to her body, it's about whether her body belongs to her. And it does. So, since a woman's body belongs to her she CAN do anything she chooses to do to it whether this breaks the law or not. Having an abortion is not breaking the law. And even if it was illegal, a woman can still choose to have an abortion as long as she is willing to pay the consequences of defying a law that tells her she must undergo an unwanted pregnancy. She can also smoke and drink during a pregnancy if she chooses to do so. It's all about choices. The ramifications of unwise choices do not preempt the right to make a choice. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4680 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, Of course one can do with her "body" what she choose to do, regardless of others think, existing law, etc. And abortions have occurred LONG before there were ever any public, governmental sanctioning of such. But the purpose of this thread was to solicit opinions about whether or not one thinks abortions should be permitted legally (I presume). And when someone does something with and to one's "body" that flauts the best interests of other individuals and the community/society as a whole, OTHERS should have a right to impose some rules and standards of how a person's "body" should and shouldn't conduct itself. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4548 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Well, ABM, a person's body is the only thing in the world that belongs completely him or her. You persist in talking about the act, not the property. You are talking about the law, not the free will. When free will clashes with the law, then the law prevails, but the person's choice to defy the law is not something that can be legislated. If a woman chooses to stick a needle in her arm or to go on a starvation diet or to us her voice to yell "fire" in a theater, the only thing that can disallow this is her good judgment. Everbody doesn't have good judgment but everybody has the right to make a choice. The punishment that ensues is the consequences of bad decision making. That's the way of the world. What about your body? Would you want someone to pass a law that you had to be circumcised because not doing so puts your sex partner at risk for STD? Would you want somebody to tell you you had to shave because men with beards scratch the faces of women they kiss? | ||
| Moonsigns "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Moonsigns Post Number: 1178 Registered: 07-2004 Rating: |
For myself, I'm against it. For women in general, I'm for it. I believe it's a personal choice. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4683 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, I'm not sure of what or even whether we're debating anything here. Again, ultimately, one can do with one's body what one chooses to do. There no mind control or telepathic powers going on around here that's taking possession of and dominion over anybody's cQQchie or anything. | ||
| Crystal "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Crystal Post Number: 274 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Actually, Abm, there’s a LOT of mind control going on when it comes to sex. Especially among young people. All that “if you really love me you’d do it” crap really happens. And then there’s the “everybody’s doing it” madness, which unfortunately does seem to be the case now and we all know how much youngsters want to fit in. Then there’s the young girls who feel nobody cares about them and think a baby will be somebody to love them and for them to love. I knew one young woman that was trying to get pregnant because she said having a baby to care for would force her to get her self together!!! She didn’t like it when I said maybe she had that backwards. The mentality of sex is hard enough for adults but much more so for teenagers and young adults, who I would think are the ones having the most abortions. | ||
| Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 2290 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: I got you so trained you respond even when I ain't posting to you. I'M INSIDE YOUR HEAD, MAN! Abm: The whole point is you want to tell somebody else what they should be doing with their own body. What if some woman was going to tell you you shouldn't be circumcized? Or that you shouldn't have a vasectomy because it was murder of the sperm? What if they told you you shouldn't use a condom? These women are going to have abortions. They are going to see doctors who will do it for money or they will do it by home methods that risk their lives. These anti abortion people? You let one of their daughters come in pregnant by Ray Ray on the block and they will be having her get an abortion lickety split. I do not believe it is any easy thing to do, nor is it done with a cavalier spirit. The question is, will they be regulated so they are safe--as possible anyway. | ||
| Doberman23 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 383 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
serenasailor should have been aborted or merely skeeted into a sock or something.  | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4685 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Crystal, I'm talking about REAL Professor X-type mind control. Not dumba$$ gullibility. Chris, Reading is a skill...Learn it. I said from JUMP I wouldn't attempt to prohibit abortions. But just because I wouldn't stop it don't mean I'm some staunch advocate of it. And I could give a hotdayam what some chicks does with/for her cQQchie. But when the shyt's affecting other people and situations, ESPECIALLY Yours Truly, you're gotdayam right I am going to chime in. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 620 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
But the baby's body is not the woman's body. You ppl act like the baby is a wart or a tumor or some "growth" that's needs removing, to spare the mother from being inconvenienced. As if none of us were inconveniences to our parents. Some of you have been brainwashed into believing that something so sick and evil is routine and acceptable. It's not. And just because it's legal doesn't make it right. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4558 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
An embryo in the first trimester is not a minature baby, mzuri. It's not a volkswagon that's going to grow into a cadillac. It's a glob of cells - a blue print and it is a part of of the woman's body because it cannot exist outside of it. IMO, it's not about being brain washed. It's about the ethics of the individual. True, in the second and third trimesters of a pregnancy the fetus is more developed but it's not breathing. You are entitled to refer to something as evil but you can't pick and choose and say that incest and rape make it OK to approve what you consider evil in other cases. As everybody says, an abortion is between a woman and HER god. And as far as I'm concerned it's not for other folks to impose their belief system on others and pass judgment on them as long as nobody is forcing them to have an abortion. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4689 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: "As everybody says, an abortion is between a woman and HER god." So then you're okay with a woman aborting ANYTIME prior to the natural birth of the child? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4690 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/index.htm "Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." How is her vision being fulfilled today? Minority women constitute only about 26% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion. On average, 1,452 black babies are aborted every day in the United States. This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had over 13 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 31 million, the missing 10 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 41 million persons. It would be 35% larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member." A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions." | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 623 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
ABM - I wasn't aware of any of that and it makes me want to vomit - literally. I am sick about this. We have created our very own Holocaust, yet we blame the whiteman for all of our ills. We have no self-love, no self-respect, no self-worth and we murder our very own children. Then we complain that we're in the minority. The above article states that there have been 13 million abortions in the Black community since 1973 (and that's only since abortion has been legalized and someone started keeping tabs) - it doesn't even factor in that the babies born in 1973 would likely have produced their own offsprings by now. Nobody's counting the vanished generations. This is beyond SICK! | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 624 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
An embryo in the first trimester is not a miniature baby, mzuri. It's not a volkswagon that's going to grow into a cadillac. How could you compare a baby to a car??? And I am somewhat educated so I don't need a science lesson here. I am perfectly aware that an embryo/fetus in its earliest stages is NOT viable without the host body of its mother, but it's NOT a parasite, a lump or a mole. It's a HUMAN BEING! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4559 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Jeeze. In answer to your question, ABM, YES, if that's a woman's choice. And I'm sorry but I can't get all up-in-arms and dewy-eyed about unborn babies when the abuse of living children is rampant and the foster care system is bursting at the seams with abandoned and mistreated kids who will fall through the cracks and be left permanently damaged by the trauma of not being wanted. Do all you bleeding hearts ever consider this? You need to get your priorities together. Who needs more babies born when the ones here are getting short-shrift. The quality of life preempts the quantity of life. Motherhood is not something that should be forced on a woman as a punishment for her sins, especially since the child is the one who suffers. And those 13-year- old Howard figures on breast cancer have been disputed by other more recent studies. And even if they weren't, every thing under the sun can increase your chances of getting cancer if you listen to all of these studies that change from year to year. All I gotta say in conclusion is that nobody is forcing women to have abortions. But people are certainly trying to impose their will and religious values on others who claim the right to control their bodies. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4560 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
mzuri and ABM, nothing either of you say is going to impact on my sentiments about this subject anymore than anything I say is going to influence you. Our opposing views are why the question of abortion is an ongoing debate. I'd be more impressed with all your boo-hooing if you 2 "humanitarians" went out and adopted a couple of living kids. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4693 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, As is often the case with you, when someone challenges your position, you resort to namecalling. *yawn* But anyway... I agree more foks (especially Blacks) should adopt. My wife and I giving serious consideration to doing just that. So if the Good LORD's willing, I expect to adopt a son (or maybe 2) within the next 2 - 4 years. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 627 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique - I don't need to adopt to prove anything to you or anyone. I've taken care of all my responsibilities. And let me assure you that I do not have any crying ghost babies in my room in the dark of night. If certain TRAY-ZAMPS would learn to keep their legs closed, exercise some self-control and restraint, use common sense when it comes to practicing birth control, and take responsibility in case all of the above didn't work, then we as a people might not be in such a dire social and economic mess. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4561 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
What name did I call you, ABM????? And I certainly didn't consider what you said a challenge. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4562 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
And nobody has to prove anything to you and your self-righteous self, either, mzuri. If you wouldn't preach, you wouldn't get preached to. Dats how dat goes. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 629 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I'm self-righteous and you're a BABY MURDERER!!! GO STRAIGHT TO HELL, DO NOT PASS GO - CYNIQUE! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4563 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Wassa matta, mzuri? Lose your cool? Go smell some rooooses. Calm down. Breathe deep. Not only are you self-righteous, but you're full of crap. LMAO. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 630 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
BURN IN HELL EVIL BABY KILLER!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4564 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
The real mzuri is finally coming out, our own little Texas tumbleweed, a thinly-disguised right wing zealot. You love Bush and you support the war in Iraq, you're anti-choice, conservative about blackness, in favor of the death penalty, and above all else a hypocrite. Gotcha. YeeeeeeeeHa! Git along little dogie. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 631 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
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| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4565 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
You're really a sicko, mzuri. You give every indication of being a right-wing wacko. You and Bush are both gonna burn in hell for waiting until they're born before you approve of young men being sent to their death in Iraq. Ride em, Cowgirl! Don't you wish Condoleeza was as fine as Halle? LMAO. | ||
| Yvettep "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Yvettep Post Number: 1049 Registered: 01-2005 Rating: |
My wife and I giving serious consideration to doing just that. So if the Good LORD's willing, I expect to adopt a son (or maybe 2) within the next 2 - 4 years. Good for both of you! I am a little out of touch with "real world" adoption resources since I have been so immersed in my dissertation (which is about adoption) but still let me know if you all have any questions--I might be able to steer you to some resources. Re: this topic. I am a strong advocate for a full and complete program of reproductive health--for Black folks and for everyone. I am often dismayed at my conversations in (majority White) feminist circles where so much of the conversation is on abortion. But I often also get frustrated by muh of the conversation in other circles, such as this one. Bottom line: If you are against the killing of humans and believe an embryo is a human, then there is no other conversation that can be held. In this case, I have much respect for those who are against all forms of killing another human being--including war, death penalty, self defense, suicide, abortion to save the life of a mother, euthanasia. This may also include passive measures that allow humans to die (e.g., starvation in 3rd world countries, euthanasia by withholding of food/treatment). Also included should be the destruction of frozen embryos stored in IVF clinics the world over. If one is against abortion because they believe an embryo is a human life but they are not against these other kinds of killing, then I have a hard time understanding the distinctions. (And of course, many people have many reasons for being against abortion, including the legal view that Roe v. Wade was an overstep of constitutional process...) No one's opinion is going to be changed by participating in this back and forth of extreme views. My own view is that reproductive health should be "pro-choices" with the emphasis on the plural. One day might the abortion debate become moot? Because of the access to contraception, healthy attitudes towards sexuality, true educational and employment opportunity, the eradication of rape and incest, etc? Maybe not. But I think all those goals are still worthy of reaching towards, even if we never realize them completely. Meanwhile I have heard that historically in every culture women have found ways to terminate pregnancies that they did not desire to carry to term, and/or kill newborns when such methods did not work. If these deeper issues are not addressed in our current time and culture and if Roe v Wade is overturned, women will continue to find ways to accomplish this. That's just real. Then we will have to decide if we want to criminalize these actions... | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 632 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
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| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4566 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
At least your response is civil and timely and resonable and mature, Yvette. Thank you. IMO, one of the things abortion has to do with is value judgement. For instance: one might pose the question if the lives of living children will result in deprivation and sacrifice and less parental attention by another addition to the family, then should their well-being be ignored in favor of an undeveloped form of life which doesn't breathe and arguably has no soul? Where are the rights of those already here? Obviously the argument that there are degrees of life and all life is not the same has its origin in an individual's own personal philosophy and it is a idea that does not defer to what some scientists claim or to what most religious leaders preach. But it is compatible with the idea of individual freedom. Moreover, if you can legislate that a woman has to have a baby, then you can legislate that she can't have a baby. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 634 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
If you valued the lives and the quality of the lives of your living children, then you should have practiced birth control and/or kept your legs closed!!! Friggen heathen!!! | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 635 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
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| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4567 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Oh get a life you ol long horn Texas heifer. All you're doing is proving that you're a member of the fanatical religious right even you do fantasize about giving George Bush a blow job. Too bad poor mzuri can't find anybody to knock her up so she can practice what she preaches. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 636 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Who said anything about me not having been knocked up? Once again Cynique, you don't know much about me at all. As I said before, I have taken responsibility for my actions. Unlike you. You have some major issues to have butchered your own offsprings and to then try to find fault with me because I'm pointing out the error of your ways. I don't profess to walk on the water - but I'm better than your sorry a$$.  | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4698 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yvettep, You present some compelling points. I too am often amazed by how the very same foks who most ardently assert abortion rights plaintively hold candlelight vigils outside of prisons that are booked for executions while the foks who cheer those executions seem just as likely to block the entrances to abortion clinics. But then, if I recall correctly, Hypocrisy IS within the US Constitutions original Bill of Rights. Is it not? I suppose, to add to the duplicity, I do NOT equate abortion with Capital punishment. I think there a very clear and present distinction between killing someone who's only "crime" is being conceived versus, say, someone having been convicted of brutally raping/killing a mother and her children. Though, to add to the confusion, I do NOT think that Capital Punishment prevents crime by one iota. I think it's most a revenge exercise that's been very much bred into the character of America. There was abortion long BEFORE Roe vs Wade. And there will be abortion long AFTER it is gone. Cynique & Mzuri, Tell the truth: Misogyny amongst women is NOT quite as fun around here in Kola's absence. Is it? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4569 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yes, ABM, you are right. Never have I appreciated Kola more than when I have a run-in with ol dull mzuri. LOL. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4570 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
You and your righteous indignation are ludicrous, mzuir. Why don't your mind your own business and quit passing judgment on others. I really wasn't finding fault with you for criticizing me because your opinions means zilch to me. I was stating the pro-choice position. And, no, I don't know much about you or do I care to because I don't find you that interesting. Now go back to posting all your silly little graphics. | ||
| Jackie "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Jackie Post Number: 195 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A |
WTF ? | ||
| Jackie "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Jackie Post Number: 196 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: N/A |
Dayum, it's kinda hot in here... | ||
| Doberman23 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 395 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
i couldn't find any marshmellows for the fire  | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 637 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Well Cynique - You're the moronic imbecile who posted about having had two abortions, because you didn't want to inconvenience yourself and your other five children. What a low-life piece of scum. Nobody asked you anything about it, you posted that information of your own free will. And it makes me wonder - have you ever considered not f*#%cking? That would be the obvious choice after being pregnant so many times. But I guess ghettobreedingheiferwhores like you can't control themselves. I'm holding your actions against you since you are a piece of garbage baby murderer who thinks it's acceptable to kill their own children! Well it's not alright, I don't care what the Supreme Court ruled about it. You contributed to the HolocaustGenocide that ABM posted about earlier today. You chopped up your own innocent babies because you're too retarded to practice birth control and now you attempt to justify your acts by stating that you can't miss what you never had. And you have the balls to say something derogatory about me? You are a total waste Cynique. Save your lame retorts for someone else.  | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 312 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, Why you get pregnant 2 more times? What happened? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4571 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yep. It's offical. The red flag is up. messuri is a right-wing wacko. She fits the pattern perfectly and her rhetoric gives her away. She probably isn't even black. Suffice to say that abortion is the law of the land; it's legal. And although, like all members of the religious right, this tight-assed prig thinks she's an agent of the lord, ol holier-than-thou messuri is nothing but a hypocritical prig who took up residence in Texas because she's right at home with all of those hard-line conservatives. And no wonder she identifies with the unborn. She herself is a case of arrested development as illustrated by her playground mentality and cyber graffiti. And, of course, she can hardly wait for Texas' next execution so she can go stand out in front of the prison gates and cheer the death of another human being. What an obnoxious critter. Even those Texas rattlesnakes probably keep their distance from vermin like her. LMAO Hey messuri! Have you bought Anne Coulter's new book yet?? I know you'll be circulating a petition to get Jeb Bush elected as the next president. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4572 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I don't think I owe you an explantion about the choices I made, Brownbeauty. Any more questions? | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 313 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yes, did the birth control you used fail? | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 638 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
BB - Cynique didn't use any birth control. She's a lowbudgetghettowhore who doesn't know any better! Cynique - You believe I'm a hypocrite because I support the death penalty and not abortions? Wrong! Let me enlighten you on the difference between a demented criminal and an innocent who hasn't ever been granted the opportunity to see the light of day. Most of the criminals who are sentenced to death have harmed others. They have murdered, maimed, raped, sodomized, mutilated, tortured and committed other heinous and despicable acts. I do not have the sympathy towards a criminal as I do an unborn child. And neither should anyone. There's no comparison between the two. And for you to pose such nonsense as "Oh, how could you be against aborting an unborn child when you are all for executing the scum of the earth?" is twisted. Accept responsibility for your evil acts, Cynique, and stop attempting to turn the tables and shift the blame on me. I never had any abortion - I never even contemplated it. Did you honestly believe that you could post your sick method of population control and elicit any sympathy from the ppl here. Nobody thinks your actions were justified. You had plenty of preventative measures available to you before you laid your whack a$$ down, spread your scrawny chicken legs and got knocked up (seven times). I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your preposterous allegations. You're a loser Cynique. A great big fat creepy loser! And you're too stupid to even realize how sad you really are. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4574 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Why do you want to know, brownbeauty? I don't feel the need to justify why I had 2 abortions especially with idiots like messuri around who have the nerve to get scandalized if everybody doesn't adjust themselves to her out of kilter moral compass. It's been over 40 years since I decided not to have any more kids and I'll simply add that this was no big deal especially since legalized abortion was in its early years and a lot of women took advantage of it being readily available; just like ear piercing. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 316 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
I heard the withdrawal method is pretty good with enough self control. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4575 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Oh put a sock in it messuri. I don't give a shit why you think what you think. You over-estimate how you rate with me. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 639 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abortions are like ear piercings. Hmmmm. You know what Cynique, you should have put a sock up your TWI-ZAT!!! You TRAY-ZAMP!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4577 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Your large bold font and your frenetic comments are so typical of the right-wing lunatic fringe, messuri. Now we know why you were so dead set against the black girl involved in the Duke LaCrosse team rape scandal, why you back the war in Iraq, why you take a very conservative approach to black issues, why the thought of pro-choice makes you pee on yourself, why you exemplify religious fundamentalism, and back the death penalty. You fit the profile perfectly. That's why you live down there in Bush country where you undoubtedly shuffle around nodding in agreement with everything those flag-waving raw-boned rednecks drawl about. I knew there was a reason why I never liked you. LMAO. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 641 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Cynique: G _ F _ C K Y _ _ R S _ L F Y _ _ L _ W B _ D G _ T G H _ T T _ B R _ _ D _ N G H _ _ F _ R W H _ R _ ! Would you like to buy a vowel??? | ||
| Doberman23 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 404 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
um... someone (mzuri) needs to take a couple of qualudes and calm the fudge down. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 642 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I don't do drugs Dobey. Go get you some marshmallows and come on back. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4578 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Hey, Doberman, when you're a dope like messuri, you don't need to use drugs. She can just take a bite of herself to enhance her state of being dazed and confused. Of course she'll be fantasizing about getting pregnant by her hero Justice Clarence Thomas while she's gettin her nod on. ROTFLOL | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 644 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Sorry She-Nay-Nay, I'm not trying to have any babies. I'm much too busy for all of that. So anyway, why is it that Dobey always shows up to defend your honor??? Hmmmm. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4579 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Is comparing a senior-citizen grandmother to "Sha-Nay-Nay" who was a sassy 'round-the-way girl supposed to be a put-down? Puleeze. Just shows how out of touch and off the mark you are, mzoo-zoo. And nobody has to be "defended" from you because you are no threat to anyone except in your imagination. So, just settle on back in the fantasy little world you've created for yourself where you dwell as a self-appointed paragon of virtue, pointing fingers at anyone who doesn't regard your word as the gospel. And when you get tired of condeming abortion you can always bemoan the fate of those thousands of slaughtered Iraqi children who are the innocent victims of the war you support in your role as a staunch fan of George Bush. Watta bimbo. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 648 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Did you need help with any of those vowels, Ms. Senior Citizen Baby Butcher??? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4587 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Why would I, mazoo-zoo?? Just cause you're a retard doesn't mean everybody else is. And unlike you, this baby butcher doesn't have to resort to posting in bold oversize letters to make up for not having anything of substance to say. Rant on, you right-wing lunatic. BTW, you forgot the flaming graphics. LMAO. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 225 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
Mzuri wrote: "I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your preposterous allegations. You're a loser Cynique. A great big fat creepy loser! And you're too stupid to even realize how sad you really are." Uhhhhhhh....you're being somewhat vague about how you feel about Cynique. I’m not sure where you stand. Could you state your feelings a little clearer. Just curious..... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4588 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Muzoo-zoo is dazed and confused. Her right wing conservative leanings have started to manifest themselves in her graphic postings. She's lost it, apparently having a hard time dealing with the idea that if pro-choice people are going to burn in hell so are baby-killers George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, 2 of her heroes. heh-heh. Mazooka, mazooka she chews Bazooka Gets a thrill from blowing bubble gum Cuz it reminds her of how she makes Dubya cum. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 2644 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Mazooka, mazooka she chews Bazooka Gets a thrill from blowing bubble gum Cuz it reminds her of how she makes Dubya cum. LO_FUCKING_L!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4590 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
And furthermore, I am inclined to think that most of the women who post here, though they themselves would not have an abortion, do favor a woman's right to choose. They are reasonable, intelligent people who don't try and debase anyone who doesnt agree with their personal sentiments. Obviously Mzuri isn't one of these women. She began the mud-slinging, and name-calling and set the tone, so y'all pardon me if I get down and dirty with her. And I repeat: I am not trying to impose my views on anyone because I respect a woman's right to not choose an abortion. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 649 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
You know what Cynique - you have the right to choose, that's not even the issue. And there are certain situations where there is no other option. But you could at least have some natural human mother's remorse - as opposed to saying things like the unborn embryo or fetus is nothing but a BLOB of worthless mass, in an effort to appease your guilty conscience. And of course your retort is that you don't have a guilty conscience. And that's what I have a problem with. And I don't care if it's legal, illegal, or if Pope Benedict or Jesus Christ himself gives his blessings - ABORTIONS should not be used as a form of birth control just because your lazy whorish promiscuous behind was too lazy to take reasonable precautions. It's wrong! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4591 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
My choice IS the issue with YOU, mzuri because if I hadn't chose to have an abortion you wouldn't have your panties in a bunch, and wouldn't have mounted your name-calling flaming graphics campaign. WHO are you to say what abortion shouldn't be???? Nobody appointed you the great grand arbitrator of what type of birth control other women should use or what their attitude about it should be. That's what a thick skulled judgmental BITCH like you can't comprehend. You cannot impose your sanctmonious hypocritical values and beliefs on other women, especially since you are very selective when it comes to having compassion, giving no priority to the slaughter and abuse of living children and the execution of adult human beings. You are full of bull shit and all of your pious rationales are nothing more than an feeble attempt to absolve yourself of the "sin" of casting stones at others. You'd do well to mind your own business. So go on back to trolling the flea markets so you can find some junk to sell on EBay. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 651 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Cynique - Me expressing my opinions on this discussion board is not imposing my sanctimonious values. They are just my opinions - nothing more. If it breaks my heart that ppl would kill their own offsprings simply because their clothes will no longer fit, they'll have another mouth to feed, or whatever - that's how I feel. I can't change that. Because I do have values - and the most priceless and precious thing is HUMAN LIFE! You think that's wrong??? And NO!!! - I do not approve of the war. I have close friends (ppl that I send care packages to) over there, so I don't take it lightly at all. As far as my eBay and other business Cynique - you are so clueless it's unreal! But trust me, I do not sell flea market junk. Far from it. Just so you know - I find your posts laughable. When I'm making the flaming text gifs or posting the ROOO-OOOOSES - I'm laughing the whole time. Because I know it's gonna irk you. I'm not sitting here getting high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks from you and your silly posts. Okay! So that we can move forward and talk about other issues - I'm going to forgive you Cynique. I'm going to forgive the fact that you are irresponsible and that you used abortions as population control. Happy now? And I'd like to wish you a WONDERFUL and BLESSED day!!!  | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4592 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
You're the one who is clueless, mzoo-zoo. Still having a hard time realizing that you are not empowered to judge others and that your opinions are not the gospel and that what you think doesn't mean zilch to me. I forgive you for not being able to see yourself as you really are, and my image of you will continue to be that of a scruffy bag lady who frequents flea markets. (You seem to think that you are the only one who can decide what adjectives to use when describing people who don't agree with your views.) Or will all the roses in the world mask the stench of your nefariousness. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 652 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
I can judge others. Why not? Anyway, you can see me in any way you choose. Unlike me having seen your pic and knowing your identity, you've never seen me and you don't know who I am. But I can promise you that I don't look like this:   | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4593 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nor do I look like that, mazoo-zoo. Just another example of how skewed your views are. And what is the big deal about you knowing who I am?? Or about me not knowing who you are. I really don't care who you are. Your posts reveal WHAT you are. Which is nothing very impressive.zzzzzzzzz | ||
| Moonsigns "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Moonsigns Post Number: 1184 Registered: 07-2004 Rating: |
Mzuri to Cynique: "I'm going to forgive the fact that you are irresponsible...." Moonsigns: As if your God--LMAO! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4596 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yea ol Mother Mary mazoo-zoo does all of her dirt and then tries to crawl out of the mud. This is the same heartfelt baby-loving saint who declared that Angelina and Brad's newborn looked like a crack addict. This ding bat is the biggest fraud around here. | ||
| Clymenestra Newbie Poster Username: Clymenestra Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 Rating: N/A |
There is no justification for abortion. None. Rape or incest? Why punish the innocent child for the sins of the father? Or for that matter, get rid of the evidence of sexual crime? I don't understand the "choicers." How come it's a baby if it's a planned pregnancy and it's a blob of tissue if it's unplanned? Can anyone answer me that? And black women. Why don't you see abortion clinics in lily white neighborhoods? Do you think there is a racist agenda afoot? I do. I don't mean to stone anyone who has had an abortion, but ladies, you have been sold a bad bill of goods, here. The idea that abortion is birth control. Abortion providers are a business that can only thrive on customers and repeat customers. If you are old enough to have sex, you are old enough to know how babies are conceived and smart enough to take the necessary real birth control measures to prevent that. It's a baby, not a choice. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 662 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
NewsFlash Moonsigns - You CAN forgive someone without being God. But thanks for the compliment. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4610 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Who said that it's a baby when it's planned and a glob of cells when it's not planned, Clymnestra? You. And you are incorrect. In the first trimester which is when the vast majority of abortions occur, it is a glob of cells. When it's done later it is usually involves saving a woman's life or her fertility. And obviously you do nothing but parrot the propaganda and rhetoric of the pro-life zealots. Women have the legal right to have control over their bodies. If you have a problem with that it's because she want to force other people to accept your point of view. No woman should be required to have an abortion and no woman should be required to continue a pregnancy. It is, indeed, about CHOICE. BTW, white neighborhoods abound with abortion clinics. Surely you don't think that white women don't have abortions? Just another ploy to inject the idea of genocide into the issue, when the greatest genocide occurring in the black community is black-on-black crime, which is particularly prevelant among neglected black youth. Abortion is here to stay and you meddling "saviors" of the unborn would do well to focus your concern on the abuse and abandonment heaped on the living children who grow up to fill our prisons. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 346 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, it would be nice if you were to explain why you were so careless those two times you got knocked up. Maybe you could be an inspiration for other women to not be such a fuck up | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4615 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Didn't I tell you once, Brownbeauty. It ain't none of yours or anybody else's fuckin business why I decided to terminate the existence of a glob of cells. I feel no need to justify the choice I made. You gotta short memory or something? | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 347 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Why without question did you feel the need to reveal your twice in a row fuckedup decision to abort on a public forum? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4619 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Because as an advocate of choice, I was showing that I not only talked it, I walked it. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4621 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
As an after thought for those who may think me callous, I have also previously stated that people are entitled to live by their own personal philosophy, - which I do. As far as the issue of abortion goes, I happen to think that a body is simply a dwelling place for a soul and a body needs a soul to be a person. I also think that souls exist in the spiritual world and are waiting to enter a body by way of a physical specimen taking its first breath. When a soul misses one body it catches another. Not surprising then, that I also believe in reincarnation, that souls come back repeatedly in different bodies. It makes me no difference whether others agree with this or not. I think for myself and I have no problems with those who think differently from me as along as they don't attempt to convert me to their point of view with the maudlin sanctimony and vicious condemnation that originate in the realm of religion. And I am about as influenced by peoples personal opinions on this subject as they are about mine. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 666 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique - Just because you (or anyone) believe something doesn't mean it's true. "If it misses one body it catches the other?" Are you serious??? Okay People - let's all sing together - to the theme of the Twilight Zone please - Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 667 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
OMG, that was my post number 666!!! You're evil Cynique!!! Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo - doo doo doo doo TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4622 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Heads up! Didn't I just say that I this was my personal philosophy and didn't care whether others agree with me??? Didn't I just say the personal opinons of other influence me just about as much my personal opinions influence others?? BTW, The notion that some people are "old souls" who have been here before have always been a part of Western folk lore, and of the course the idea of reincarantion prevails in most of the Eastern Disciplines. And just as you challenge what I say as being true, I could do the same about your beliefs if I was inclined to. And I might add, that you seem incapable of thinking outside of the box. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 668 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Well, I too believe in re-incarnation. But that doesn't entitle me to go around killing people, now does it? And once again, Cynique - you don't know enough about me to determine whether or not I think outside the box. Like you, I am a multi-dimensional person - there is much more to me than what I've posted here. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4624 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
What does having an abortion have to do with killing people?? Just because you think this is true doesn't mean it is. Isn't it more accurate to think of executing living human beings as an example of killing people? And if you are so multi-dimensional why don't your posts reflect this? | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 669 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Poor Cynique. I am going to pray for you tonight before I go to sleep: Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord to help Cynique, Guide her to see her evil ways, So she'll be blessed in her last days. Amen!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4625 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ever the presumptuous prig, poor ol mzuri continues to delude herself into thinking that she has a hot-line to heaven and that everybody should abide by what she deems is right. Multi-dimensional my ass. The parameters of your mentality are very narrow, mazoo-zoo. Your judgmental self-rightousness will never get you into the elite ranks of free-thinkers. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 670 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
You know you like my little prayer Cynique. Just go ahead on and admit it. And it's your prayer - I wrote it just for you - okay. So please feel free to use it tonight before you go to sleep.  | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4627 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Never been much on triteness, mzuri. The poem wasn't even funny. Go back to the drawing board and when you go to bed tonight ask to be forgiven for the sin of being silly. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 672 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Like it's my fault your bitter butt don't have no sense of humor. I think the shit is funny. And so should you. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4633 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Like it's my fault that what you consider funny I consider corny, mazoo-zoo. You poem or prayer or whatever it was suppposed to be exhibited no wit or cleverness. But I do find you as a person rather amusing because you are so eager to convince people how much you have going for you.zzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
| Femrenoir Regular Poster Username: Femrenoir Post Number: 42 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
I am pro choice, and I too, believe the spirit is everlasting. I don't believe in 'hell', at least not the kind you burn in forever after you die. 'We' have a lot of unwanted kids out there. If someone doesn't want to raise a child, I don't think they should be forced to have it. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 681 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Right Fem. That's what birth control is for. To prevent unwanted pregnancies, births, and children. | ||
| Femrenoir Regular Poster Username: Femrenoir Post Number: 49 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
You are right, of course. What do you think about the morning after pill? Legitimate birth control or Abortion? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4642 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Heeeeeeeeeeere we go again. In a perfect world every female uses birth control if she doesn't want to get pregnant. But this is not a perfect world we live in, not to mention the fact the birth control doesn't always work. Accidents happen especially among young girls or single women. Sex has been known to be spontaneous and when this happens it ain't nobody else's business how things play out. Abortion is a legal option for women who, for WHATEVER reason, choose not to continue a pregnancy. And, in choosing an abortion, a woman owes no apology or explanation to people who don't approve of abortion. Sheeze. BTW, I approve of the morning after pill which keeps a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. This is ideal for rape victims. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 358 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
You have condoms, morning after pill, the patch, depo, diaphragms, sponges, and ppl still find excuses to fuck up and get pregnant. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4649 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
No form of birth control is 100 per cent effective; e.g. Condoms break and actually are only 98% reliable, inadvertantly using anti-biotics can neutralize the effect of birth control pills, diaphrams fail if not properly inserted not to mention that date rape drugs are rampant on the singles scene. And tell me, BB, if pregnancy is such a sacred state, why would you consider getting that way a "fuck-up"? You seem to be an expert on fucking up. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 685 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Fem - I haven't given much thought to the morning after pill. If it works the way that Cynique has described, it sounds like birth control. It wouldn't technically be an abortion if no pregnancy exists. What do you think about it? Yes, BB, people will always make excuses. Besides getting pregnant, you'd think that Black women would want to protect themselves from the deadly AIDs virus. The disease hasn't even put any fear into them or made the use of condoms part of the routine. It's just sad. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 686 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique - So you're saying that out of the 100 rubbers that you used, two broke? LOLOLOL! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4650 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Snort. I didn't use rubbers. Or any birth control. And I make no apologies for this. What is the big deal? My sex life is notbody's else's business. If you and your bleary-eyed blubbering could just get that picture out of your mind that the moment an egg is fertilized it immediately turns into a teeny-tiny little baby curled up in a fetal position, sucking its thumb maybe you could get past sticking your nose in another's woman's womb. Oh but when the teeny tiny little entity is the result of incest or rape you do a complete about face and say welllll, it's OK then. Gimme break. BTW, they are running a series in the Chicago Tribune about this guy who went to the death chambers protesting his innoncence and now it has been discovered that another guy comitted the crime he was executed for. tsk-tsk. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 688 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yes, I believe that in certain situations abortion is the only option. For example, if a 12 year old girl is impregnated because of rape/incest - obviously she shouldn't proceed with the pregnancy. And I would think that most reasonable ppl would agree that is one instance where an abortion would be appropriate. Innocent ppl being accused of a crime and subjected to the death penalty - I think that's a separate discussion. | ||
| Femrenoir Veteran Poster Username: Femrenoir Post Number: 56 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
I think the morning after pill is a fantastic breakthrough, and yes it does work the way Cyn described. Recently it was almost approved for over the counter access (it is that safe). An FDA group approved it, but their decision was later reversed. Requiring a prescription defeats the purpose. On top of that, some U.S. pharmacies don't stock it, because they're calling it abortion. Some states have stepped in tho, and are requiring their pharmacies to make it available to the people who have an Rx the morning after. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 4751 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Femrenoir: "Requiring a prescription defeats the purpose. On top of that, some U.S. pharmacies don't stock it, because they're calling it abortion. Some states have stepped in tho, and are requiring their pharmacies to make it available to the people who have an Rx the morning after." I understand your point. But I'm not sure you'd want a pill as potent as Plan B be as assessible as Flintstone Chewable Vitamins. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2032 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yeah, ABM...I've been dreaming about your "chewables" lately.  LOL!!!!!!! OK...I promise to leave you alone. Don't want to get you castrated by the Misseus. You know I'm just kidding because I miss you so much, King. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 369 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, You keep explaining how birth control fails, when you yourself didn't use ANY at all. No wonder you got knocked up TWICE. What do you think happens when you have sex? That 98% could have saved you TWO ABORTIONS. And you make birth control sound too unreliable, it WORKS. Its just that people choose not to use them i.e Cynique | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4657 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
When I respond to comments about birth control I am not doing so in defense of myself. I'm just rebutting your one-sided arguments. And why are you so bothered by people who on occasion neglect to use birth control? They are not obligated to use it and you are owed no explanation if they don't use it. This is no concern of yours. Just because you apparently consider abortion a stigma doesn't mean that I or others do. What difference does it make to you or anybody else how many I had????? I could've gotten knocked up as often as I pleased and if that bugs you well, take a chill pill. Now got jam your finger up your twat instead of using it to point at others. Ick. | ||
| Kola_boof "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 2033 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, I have to leave soon...but can I please steal this line? Now go jam your finger up your twat instead of using it to point at others. Ick. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 374 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"And why are you so bothered by people who on occasion neglect to use birth control?" STDs. "Just because you apparently consider abortion a stigma doesn't mean that I or others do. What difference does it make to you or anybody else how many I had?????" I really don't care. Earlier in this thread, I stated it's a woman's choice to choose what she does with her body. You pissed me off how you drag my name into your silly ass insults for no apparent reason. So I decided to fuck with you. That's all. I'm done. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 4658 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Buh Bye. Knock yourself out Kola. |
