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Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 235
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 03:12 pm: | 
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http://www.slate.com/id/2141972/
Read the article, what do you think? |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2502
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 07:19 pm: |
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"Tyra tells the aspiring models that they need to develop a thick skin. But she seems to think dark skin should be tougher than light."
Yep. That's the way blacks do it. We say we are preparing our young for the world. We never stop to realize that what we really are doing is preparing the world for our young.
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Ngo
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Username: Ngo
Post Number: 8
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 08:12 pm: |
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She's not "racist." She is racially aware. I don't think any African descended person, especially in America, can afford to be "colorblind." Every other racial group looks out for its own, why not African descendents? |
Nels
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Nels
Post Number: 357
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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An extremely high percentage of dark(er)-skinned black women have a very serious negative and cynical attitude towards virtually everything they encounter, black speech or not. That attitude may perhaps be one of the "biggest" turn-offs that anyone can experience.
An, African descended person? No. A person who "has" some African descent. Yes.
And so forth. |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 236
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 12:50 am: |
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You really hate dark people, Nels.
I disagreed with the article. They used a girl with a damn near speech impediment as an example for "African American dialect".
She was barely intelligible. Tyra blamed it on her deep "southern accent", but in reality it leaned more towards a serious enunciation problem. Perhaps, Tyra did not want to offend her on national television, and choose to mask the deep southern accent, for what was really a speech impediment.
I heard she got a speech coach, and she sounds much better. The "southern accent" is still there, but the difference is that you can actually comprehend what she is saying.
There have been several other Black contestants on America's Next Top Model, who had urban or street accents, and Tyra never complained about it. Mainly, because you could actually interpret what they were saying.
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Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 58
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 01:28 am: |
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I have heard her accent before. There are plenty of whites from certain areas that sound the exact same way. And I've seen them on TV but people don't seem to get as annoyed about it when they are white or it’s considered cute on them. But I noticed blacks in the northern region tend to make a big deal about it on southern blacks and assume they are backwards or dumb. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2506
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 10:11 am: |
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I haven't heard her accent--I've never watched an episode of Top Model--but I agree with you, Shamika; people DON'T seem to get as annoyed when it's a white/light person and many times they ARE considered cute.
Nels:
You got it bad bro. Some chocolate cup-cake must have sat on your lovely face and then broke your yellow heart. Poor thang. You must didn't do it right. |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 237
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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You have to realize that she was competing in a competition to be a spokesmodel for CoverGirl.
Covergirl does not have anyone representing their cosmetics that speak with a southern accent mixed with a speech impediment. I can't name any mainstream cosmetics company that uses someone with non intelligible speech.
I just don't think that it was an issue with light/white skin. Tyra wanted someone that the major public English speaking audience could interpret and comprehend. And most people would not be able to understand her. I could not understand her.
Danielle was adored for her country accent, just like the whites and the lightskin ppl you referenced to having one as well--but the difference was that they were not competing to endorse any commercial/mainstream products. You have to have perfect, and damn good diction when you're promoting a high profile company's products. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2507
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 04:55 pm: |
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Beauty:
You have to have perfect, and damn good diction when you're promoting a high profile company's products.
Tonya:
I have seen/heard too many foreign models that do not fit that profile. Sorry. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2509
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 05:50 pm: |
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Darn! I can't remember the name of that famous actress/model a few years back who was hearing impaired and had a terrible speech impediment yet was the spokesperson for Revlon((?), I think). I tried a web search but came up empty. Anybody know her name?
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Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 59
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 08:32 pm: |
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You're right Tonya, I recall a woman who couldn't hear and had a speech impediment. I thought she won Miss America or something. Good point. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 359
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 09:40 pm: |
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BrownBeauty --
"You really hate dark people, Nels."
Not really. I just take notice of all the whining and bullshit that comes out of their mouths at the slightest perceived injustice. They seem to bitch, bitch, bitch about every damn thing there is to bitch about. And...it's even gotten to the point where the one's with a "little" money are now so smug, snooty and high sidity that you'd think they were the one's laying on the beach using SPF 100+ (Argh!).
"enunciation"
Enunciation - Smunciation... Get it right the first time.
...I saw "heem" ran dat way. Yup, sho' did.
One thing is for sure, that dream job at the NYSE sure isn't waiting for the diction-challenged.
Tonya --
"Some chocolate cup-cake must have sat on your lovely face and then broke your yellow heart."
Just bought some stock in Hershey...PA that is. It melts in your mouth, not in your hand. Oh, ain't life grand.
Go ahead Ton..., say it...
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 1050
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 09:47 pm: |
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She criticized Danielle more than the other girls because she was really pushing her to be the best because she wanted her to win.
I knew Danielle would win weeks ago. I KNEW it. She was simply better and prettier than the other girls.
What Tyra said to the girl was "you have a speech problem that you need to fix". What she MEANT was "other people will notice your speech and use that as an excuse to not promote you, so don't give them that excuse".
Consider that she complained about her speech on more than one show....but STILL chose her even though she hadn't changed her speech. |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 238
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 10:09 pm: |
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Tonya, the circumstances is quite different when a company uses a token "deaf girl" to endorse beauty products. It's understandable for someone who is hearing impaired to be speech-challenged.
On the other hand, Danielle is not deaf, nor does she suffer from a learning disability. She has no reason to cling on to a speech impediment, and has every capability for improvement.
Danielle STILL has her "southern accent" and has improved on enunciation.
The only other foreign model I can think of with a deep accent that has a major cosmetics contract is Adriana Lima with Maybelline. And she usually says a line or two--sometimes nothing at all in commercials. Her accent was awful 10 yrs old, but has vastly improved, and you can pretty much understand her words much better. So the discrimination isn't always against Black girls when it comes to "speech".
Nels,
You're bitching and moaning about other people's bitching and moaning.
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Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 288
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 12:25 am: |
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Nels hit it on the head. You can't act like a monkey and expect people to respect you or even like you. A lot of these particularly aggressive, whiny, bitchy black women demand respect without first commanding it. |
Femrenoir
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Username: Femrenoir
Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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I don't think Tyra is racist. Schakspir, you on the other hand might be. Monkey? Did you really need to go there??
I think Tyra was using the opportunity to make a point. Here was beautiful, talented, funny, smart Danielle. Her lack of diction could make modeling job inquiries difficult in the real world.
What better opportunity to convey the importance of good diction to young black girls watching the show.
White people from the south and all over listen to tapes, watch the way they form their words in a mirror, etc. all the time. They do it for the money, respect and opportunities it provides.
Tyra's message was clear. 'You need to be able to turn it off and on'. Don't give them an excuse to dismiss you. Yes, she was hard on her, but not nearly as hard as they'll be in real life when the cameras are not on.
I watched the season and was sooooo happy Danielle won. I think she is going to be the 1st top model the show has produced. |
Lil_ze
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 109
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 03:40 pm: |
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the girl just spoke poor english. it was not her accent, but the overall way she used words and spoke. it was just bad. you can't be in the public eye and speak that way. you just can't. |
Roxie
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Username: Roxie
Post Number: 821
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 08:05 pm: |
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This reminds me of a girl I knew in middle school who, wait for it, thought "ignant" was the correct word, not "ignorant".
I still wonder if she ever graduated high school. Doubt it though.
My comment:
If hispanics can learn the appropriate areas for which they can speak english and the times they can speak spanish, one would think black people could do the same with a simple dialect. If a person is not willing to speak standard to a non-black, they are just not even TRYING to work with the outer society. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 360
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 09:02 pm: |
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Schakspir --
Your last reply is well noted. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 361
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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Brownbeauty --
"You're bitching and moaning about other people's bitching and moaning."
Your reply has confirmed exactly what I said previously. Keep on bitching and moaning and retorting, and you'll need more than a flashlight to find your (oh, um -- brown) face in the mirror of (oh, um -- non-brown) envy. |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 239
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 09:27 pm: |
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Nels,
What exactly have I bitched and moaned about? Besides, pointing out that you harbor a lot of resentment towards people who are darker than you.
You have a hard time with darkskin Black women because they think high yellow men like you are queer. A classic "pillow-biter". Fag. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 365
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 10:59 pm: |
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Brownbeauty --
“What exactly have I bitched and moaned about? Besides, pointing out that you harbor a lot of resentment towards people who are darker than you.”
If I actually had ever harbored resentment toward dark skin people, then I certainly wouldn’t be wasting my time on this board chatting with you.
”You have a hard time with darkskin Black women because they think high yellow men like you are queer. A classic "pillow-biter". Fag.”
As a matter of fact, I find dark skinned women to be quite challenging: a bit edgy sometimes, but quite challenging. It’s the sheer stupidity and childishness that we could all do without, and that has nothing to do with skin color.
“queer(?) A classic "pillow-biter". Fag.”
Just push those tight “cheeks” of yours up in the air a “little” bit more, and we can test out the soundness of your hilarious theory together. 
p.s., If you took your head out of that bucket of chicken for a moment, you might see the wolves in sheep’s clothing that have surrounded your abode…
Stop hating yourself and retorting like a child.
Yes, all of the above represents how you come across to others, unnerved and disjointed.
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Now, on to heavier matters.
You have a very vivid imagination. Then again, I would expect no more of you. Obviously, you have never read any of my very early posts, thus your assumptions are not only incorrect, they show the colorlessness of your thought, the shallowness of your mind, and the thinness of your skin.
What you’ve read in my more recent posts is purely jocular casual fare, a mere interaction with a willing crowd of humble peers, drunk on a cocktail of rich social interaction and bipolar dementia. A group that gets commandingly “serious” only when nitwits in the fog recklessly challenge its staid existence. In fact, you may have unknowingly stumbled into another domain, not one of chummy chortles, but one of purposed intellectual engagement and demanding aggression.
Ask yourself one question: Is the hammer and the sickle the same as the hammer and the sword?
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Ngo
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Username: Ngo
Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 03:01 am: |
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"If I actually had ever harbored resentment toward dark skin people, then I certainly wouldn’t be wasting my time on this board chatting with you."
Are you sure you little bullshitter?
Did anyone even read past this point? I have no idea what this thing "Nels" is babbling about. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2514
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
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p.s., If you took your head out of that bucket of chicken for a moment, you might see the wolves in sheep’s clothing that have surrounded your abode…
Stop hating yourself and retorting like a child.
Yes, all of the above represents how you come across to others, unnerved and disjointed.
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Now, on to heavier matters. What you’ve read in my more recent posts is purely jocular casual fare, a mere interaction with a willing crowd of humble peers, drunk on a cocktail of rich social interaction and bipolar dementia. A group that gets commandingly “serious” only when nitwits in the fog recklessly challenge its staid existence. In fact, you may have unknowingly stumbled into another domain, not one of chummy chortles, but one of purposed intellectual engagement and demanding aggression.
Ask yourself one question: Is the hammer and the sickle the same as the hammer and the sword?
Tonya:
ROT-FUCKING-FLO'--LOL!!
Greatness is among us.... He has graced us darkies with his kind wisdom and benign presence.. and he has brought us a bucket of chicken to boot! If only I could get close enough to kiss his bronze splendor, and graze his woolly godliness… maybe he wouldn’t appear to be such a self-righteous fool… from the sublime to the blind deaf bamboozler.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4431
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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Puleeze. How Can Tyra Banks be a racist when she is black, herself??? Tyra is not trying to divest a black model of her power by injecting race into an equation. Tyra is instead stressing the importance of being competitive so as to be able to combat the institutionalized racism that exists in every area of our society. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 368
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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Tonya, Ngo --
Since you can only surmise and haplessly assume that you know what I look like, who I may disdain, and so forth, I'll carefully assume that the two of you are on the same page. And, considering that "us darkies" strikes your fancy, I'll kindly sit back and leave that one for the two of you to mull over. Don't confuse talk with fact. The only folks who appear to be explicitly identifying with darkie, yellow or anything else are this threads detractors, with whom you may be familiar. Just two minutes in the same room can make a world of difference. |
Ngo
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Username: Ngo
Post Number: 12
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 05:45 am: |
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Nels,
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Your skin tone is trivial to me if you indeed identify as Black.
2.
Dude, this isn't some poetry contest. I don't readily know what your points are when I first read your replies. I'm not gonna sit here and analyze your sentences for hidden meanings. Be clear and to the point. It seems like you picked up a copy of Word Power Made Easy and you are replying simply to "flex" your vocabulary muscle. Cynique does an excellent job of it - she is clear and to the point. In contrast, reading your replies is just painful. :-)
Do
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Begin each paragraph with a topic sentence; end it in conformity with the beginning.
Don't
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Throw a bunch of non-connected sentences together and hope to make a coherent paragraph. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 372
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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Ngo --
Try harder. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2526
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 03:02 pm: |
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Sorry Nels, I didn't mean to offend. I actually love your writing - style and texture. I think I'd like your tone too if so much negativity didn't seem to be directed towards certain people.
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 376
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 03:38 am: |
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Tonya --
I'm a strong believer in people interaction. Unfortunately, sometimes folks tend to get offended by certain things myself and others here say. Of course, though we all like to joke around sometimes and push each other's buttons, in no way am I trying to be purposely and perpetually negative.
This group at T's Corner is a tough bunch of smart and very intellectual people. The challenge is trying to balance the rhetoric with a little compassion, while at the same time going toe to toe with the 'tough' guys and gals in this crowd (hint hint).
In any case, whether I agree with someone's opinion or not, I always appreciate any level of candidness they bring forth. Regarding "certain people", remember that it's those certain people who can really sling the stuff around when the going gets (too) tough. Regardless of content, your comments have always been appreciated, and respected. That's what keeps these exchanges alive. A healthy debate never hurts. |
Negrological
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Username: Negrological
Post Number: 11
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:01 am: |
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nels,
"As a matter of fact, I find dark skinned women to be quite challenging: a bit edgy sometimes, but quite challenging. It’s the sheer stupidity and childishness that we could all do without, and that has nothing to do with skin color."
would you be so kind and elaborate on this point? you begin your point identifying dark-skinned women then end it with, "that has nothing to do with color". were you applying the "sheer stupidity & childishness" to all women, regardless of color?
thanks. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 380
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:52 pm: |
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Negrological --
Stupidity & Childishness?
Not applied to all women, but to those situations that can and do go awry at no fault of the courter, or partner. For clarification, (sheer stupidity & childishness) - men do it to. Unfortunately, with (black) women it can routinely begin with the dreaded "pursed lips" syndrome, and then degenerate from there.
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Sigmaman3
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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(Brownbeauty) [What exactly have I bitched and moaned about?]
EVERYTHING! |
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