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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4524
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 05:58 am: | 
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Why is it okay for the media to identify and show someone who's been accused - NOT convicted, ACCUSED - of rape but not indentify and show his (or her) accuser? |
Afroerotik
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Post Number: 30
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 07:05 am: |
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Because we must show compassion for victims of rape. It's a pain I wouldn't wish on you or anyone you know. God forbid one of your loved ones was raped, would you want them paraded on television like a circus sideshow freak? What do you gain from seeing the victims? The right to pass judgment and claim that she (or he) deserved it? What benefit do you get as an outsider, to see the victim? The accused has every opportunity to face his accuser in a court of law. You have no right to see the accuser villified on Fox News. |
Abm
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Post Number: 4529
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 07:35 am: |
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Until there's a judicial conviction, there, technically, is no victim or criminal.
Both are ALLEGED to be such.
So since, supposely in America, a person is innocent until proven guilty, why should his (or her) name and image be besmirch any more so than the alleged victim?
And if the accused is EXONERATED (which, btw, does happen), what do we owe him (or her) for being "paraded on television like a circus sideshow freak"? |
Babygirl
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 08:44 am: |
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Typically, only high profile cases find the accused being subjected to media exposure because they are usually high profile individuals use to being in the media anyway. And folks like to see smut on the rich and famous.
But the ethical decision by the media to not identify the alleged victim has only been practiced for a relatively short period of time and was started to allow the alleged victim to not suffer any further humiliation while they sought justice, since historically, MEN, who controlled the justice system, deemed it the woman's fault if she were assaulted. The old adage that she had to be doing something to make that man throw her to the floor and violate her body. Then the tide changed once it was acknowledged that rape is about violence and not sex so the thought processes were why should the good name of an otherwise decent woman be besmirched for something that really wasn't her fault. As well, if she is afforded a semblance of protection, more women would be inclined to come forward and press charges.
But there have been high profile cases where this tradition has been broken by the media. The woman who accused the Kennedy cousin was ID'd (but of course he was a KENNEDY), as was the black woman who was assaulted by Mike Tyson. Kobe's accuser got lucky but then you have to look at where she came from and who he was.
The DUKE victim may well be exposed because their support system is making the exact same argument you are, ABM. In fact, it's been blatantly said that the good names of those decent white boys is worth far more than that of some black prostitute and it would only be FAIR that she take the same hits they do.
Is it okay? Not okay? I think opinions will be based/formed on one's experience with rape, if they've ever been a victim of the crime or associated with someone who has been or who as been accused. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 1103
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 08:48 am: |
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Abm:
"Until there's a judicial conviction, there, technically, is no victim or criminal."
Moonsigns:
I agree. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 2086
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 01:11 pm: |
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Abm:
It's okay because men are bad.
Don't worry though. This woman's identity will be all over the internet and the media soon. In this case--as in many-- the media has its orders |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 386
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 04:50 pm: |
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If you are referring to the Duke case, it won't be long for the accuser's identity to become public knowledge since her father and cousin are busy getting their 15 minutes on. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 84
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 06:56 pm: |
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abm, great question. if any woman comes along and says a man raped her. this man's photo is shown all over and his reputation and life is ruined. until its proven that a rape happened, the man is innocent. the way things are now, any woman can make a false rape accusation and hide, while the man is dragged through the mud. if the woman is allowed to hide and have her identity protected. then the man should be given the same protection. what if the so-called rape victim is lying? the accused man's life for all intents and purposes has been destroyed. even if he is guilty of nothing, he will never be viewed the same way. meanwhile, the liar who made the false accusation, has never been seen, because of some ridiculous "rape-victim shield law". if we as a society are going to "protect" the identity of an "alleged" rape victim. then we should also "protect" the identity of the accused, until they are PROVEN guilty. god forbid, any men out there are falsely accused of rape. your life is over. your reputation is tarnished forever. you will be seen as gulity forever, even if its proved you did nothing. but, the liar that falsely accused you gets to hide. all mothers out there who have sons, you better pray that your son is never falsely accused of rape. because his life is over. even if he did nothing. if we are going to let the accuser hide, then we must allow the accused to hide, until they are PROVEN gulity. if we have no problem showing the face of the accused, then we MUST show the face of the accuser. i can't wait until the alleged rape victim at duke's photo is shown. its only fair. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 420
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 10:30 pm: |
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Typical for "ppl" like you to show simpathy for his slave master. You've been a slave so long you forgot what it was like to be a free man.
Don't worry ABM when Massa gets back he will throw some bread crumbs your way for being so loyal. |
Shyfox
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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How would any of you feel if it was your daughter, sister, mother, or loved one who was raped. Would you want her photo splashed throughout the media? The accused does get to face his accuser-in a court of law;In the only real place that such a confrontation matters. |
Rastafurious
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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what sympathy u idiot hes making a valid point & my daughters r not whores |
Shyfox
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Post Number: 54
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
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"what sympathy u idiot hes making a valid point & my daughters r not whores"
If you are going to insult me, then please do it in English. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 87
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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how would any of you feel if your son was FALSELY accused of rape and his photo was splashed all over the media? if the accused gets a chance to face the accuser in court. the accused (even if he is innocent) still has has photo splashed all over the media. can we please see the photo of the "alleged" rape "victim" at duke university! |
Shyfox
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Post Number: 56
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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What would you get out of having the victim's face splashed all over the media? Really. What's in it for you? Just a lot more rapes going unreported.
How do you know that the accusations against these guys are false? Do you have some inside information that you are withholding from the prosecution? You really need to come forward with it. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:14 am: |
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i would not "get" anything out of having this "alleged victims" picture splashed all over the media. but if the accused photos are splashed all over the media then the "alleged rape victims photo should be splashed all over the media also. its not that i know the accusations are false. but all they are, are accusations. at this point the accused in the duke university case are INNOCENT. they must be PROVEN guilty. at this point what we have are INNOCENT men being accused of a crime. so what we have are INNOCENT men whos photos have been splashed all over the media. if anyone can come forward and accuse an innocent person of rape, does the accuser have the right to hide? i don't know what happened. but the laws we live under say these men are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. if the INNOCENT accused photos can be splashed all over the media, why should her photo not be splashed all over the media? its only fair. why should she be able to hide, and the man is ruined (even if he is INNOCENT)? |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 425
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 01:16 am: |
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I have no sympathy for the rich white man or his spoiled rotten sons. His great-grandfather probably lynched your great-greatfather for even looking at a white woman. These young white men are just paying for the sins of there ancestors. So Fuck them and Fuck all of there stupid, confused, house-slaves that sympathize with them. |
Doberman23
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Post Number: 328
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 07:06 am: |
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abm
the more this goes on the more i am starting to look at the accuser like kobe's accuser situation. |
Va_sis
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 09:48 am: |
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ABM
It cuts down the possibility of media outlets being sued by the victims.
If their privacy is violated by their identity being made public, and they get death threats, assaulted or their property damaged as a result of, it opens the door for a lawsuit. |
Shyfox
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 02:56 pm: |
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"abm
the more this goes on the more i am starting to look at the accuser like kobe's accuser situation."
Then the defense's strategy is working. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4537
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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Babygirl,
Nicely done.
Moonsigns,
But of course you do.
Chris,
Ever the soul of cynicism. That must be why you and Cynique love each other so much.
Mzuri,
"...her father and cousin are busy getting their 15 minutes on."
That kooky Andy Warhol was a prophet. Wasn't he?
Shyfox,
I'd probably feel similarly about a male kin of mine being vilified BEFORE he's been tried and convicted of anything.
Dobes,
You been charged and might be convicted of a crime sans a shred of physical evidence and objective eyewitnesses. So, obviously, this whole thing might turn on who is and isn't BELIEVABLE.
What choice do you have BUT to attempt to smear the image and reputation of the person who's accusing you?
Va_sis,
Funny how the press apparently has none of the concerns you describe for the accused. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 413
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 12:20 pm: |
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LOL ABM. Actually, there are laws or statutes protecting rape victims from being identified and it varies depending upon location. I couldn't find much online but this is a good read:
Rape victims' names withheld by choice, not law |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4551
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 01:12 pm: |
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Mzuri,
I think most men would like to have the fuhking book thrown at rapists. We all have women we care about. And the LAST thing we'd want is for mofo's to be able to prey upon them at will.
But even the most empathetic men will almost reflexively resent the notion of protecting the identity of the accuser yet not that of the accused.
The article below supports my view on this subject.
Research Shows False Accusations Of Rape Common
By Glenn Sacks (09/17/2004)
*Co-authored by Marc Angelucci and Glenn Sacks
Despite its many painful and unseemly aspects, the Kobe Bryant rape case and the media storm surrounding it have drawn attention to a severely neglected problem: false rape accusations.
In her recent “Daily Journal” column, high profile feminist professor Wendy Murphy dismisses the problem of false accusations as an "ugly myth," and calls for "boiling rage" activism to address what she perceives as the anti-woman bias of the criminal justice system. Like many victims' advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could be innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are frighteningly common.
According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (“Archives of Sexual Behavior,” Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for an alibi or a desire for revenge. Kanin was once well known and lauded by the feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual aggression. His studies on false rape accusations, however, received very little attention.
Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were "spite or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (“Forensic Science Digest,” vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).
A “Washington Post” investigation of rape reports in seven Virginia and Maryland counties in 1990 and 1991 found that nearly one in four were unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many of the alleged victims admitted that they had lied.
That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,” says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen."
Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on the Bryant trial for Denver's ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes." According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault unit commander estimates that nearly half of all reported rape claims are false.
The complete article:
http://www.americandaily.com/article/5075 |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 414
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 02:41 pm: |
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Hey BoyFriend. I'm not in the arguing mode today - I was responding to your original post regarding why things are the way they are. I agree that if you're the accuser (particularly in the Duke case), and you have sent your father and your cousin to do your bidding with the media, you have already relinquished your anonymity and may as well show your face too. I mean - if this chick wasn't ashamed to take her behind to a bachelor party dressed in nothing but a negligee and high heeled shoes - then she should have the balls to show her face in court. Surely all the locals and all her friends already know who she is. This one definitely doesn't merit any special protection. IMHO. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 416
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 06:34 pm: |
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The defense begins:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0424062duke1.html |
Shyfox
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 07:27 pm: |
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ABM: I'd probably feel similarly about a male kin of mine being vilified BEFORE he's been tried and convicted of anything.
Shyfox: I notice that certain people have no problem vilifying this young woman before her accusations are proven true or false. Also, remember, these upstanding young men were at the party to see this woman dance. If she is a ho, then what does that make them? |
Abm
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Post Number: 4560
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 12:01 am: |
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Shyfox,
I think Johns or Tricks will do. |
Nels
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Post Number: 338
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 02:05 am: |
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Afroerotik --
"Because we must show compassion for victims of rape."
Compassion my ass. The media came up with that (industry-standard we'll keep it quiet) bullshit. Rape victims should not be entitled to any special treatment. The accusers lives have also been affected forever, and if it comes to pass that the woman was lying, they will sue her for everything she's got, including the "brown" pigment in her skin. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 2335
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 09:44 am: |
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It would be interesting to poll how many black women supported Kobe while standing in opposition to his accuser, despite the fact that Kobe could have very well been guilty (the evidence against him was profound); and given the fact that Kobe is viewed as a traitor - one that the majority of black women do not like---interesting indeed. Black women should never follow... but in the Duke case we should follow black men's reactions to the letter, and apply them to issues that fit our own interests best. Such a change would benefit women of all colors, producing an increase of vigilance and precautions geared towards their own well-being, in particular, safety against violence. There's a lot we can learn from black men. We've been playing our cards all wrong. Like them, our own interests should come first. We MUST support ourselves for a change. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 2336
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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It's easy to predict that black females and gay black men - the two that are now the most subjugated and maligned (within the AA community) - will soon become the most productive and, in terms of education and finance, the most dominant within black society. Therefore, there's categorically no reason for black women, regardless of class, to NOT support interests that complement them... while striking down those that does not. The atmosphere is rapidly becoming much different. The ball's in our corner. There will not be much of a backlash; and the remnants of one will be powerless.
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Abm
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Post Number: 4562
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 03:25 pm: |
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Tonya: "It's easy to predict that black females and gay black men - the two that are now the most subjugated and maligned (within the AA community) - will soon become the most productive and, in terms of education and finance, the most dominant within black society."
GOD. I sure am glad I'm old enuff to be dead before this might possibly come true. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 2340
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 04:52 pm: |
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At this rate, you might not. Sorry!  |
Shyfox
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 08:15 pm: |
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Rape is an underreported crime. The reason that the names of the victims are not released is to encourage victims to report the crime without fear. |
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