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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2284
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 11:06 pm: | 
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Am I jumping on the "Go Oprah" bandwagon? Well, I don't know. All I know is she did a heck of a job with her shows this week:
http://www2.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200604/tows_past_20060412.jhtml |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1097
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 04:14 pm: |
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I saw the shows. And I know tons of educators. I blame the parents of students more than I blame educators and "the system" for the lack of academic progress within our nation.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2313
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 06:36 pm: |
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I do too, Moonie, but I wish they'd all straighten up - all do their part. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1098
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 07:42 pm: |
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I think most educators do their part--they're just sick of all the red tape in education nowadays as well as babysitting brats (the rich and the poor) while their parents either work too hard and don't give a shyt--or they don't work at all and don't give a shyt. Educators are stuck between a rock and a hard place--and they definitely aren't in it for the money. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2318
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 09:08 pm: |
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Well. I think there are still some things that educators MUST learn. The theme of the show was something like "expect more and not less." Which I totally agree with; that's what teachers ought to start doing. Young people are being passed along without being challenged--the same as when I was in school. My teachers did not demand a great deal--so I did ONLY what I felt I had to do - not much. Remember the segment where that female student found herself thoroughly unprepared for college? Well, that was me; and I'm sooo not surprised that it's still that way for others. But still, I agree that most parents don't do enough and, as you said, some don't give a damn. So should we (society) be tougher on parents--hold them more accountable? And should we make them responsible for crimes and other bad behavior on the part of their children? The question I find most interesting is how it would be received. |
Va_sis
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Username: Va_sis
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 08:45 am: |
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You bet your bootie that parents should be held more accountable! This is a subject that is dear to my heart, as I get into it with people on the regular about it.
Long/short, a lot of problematic behavior in children can be corrected early on. Not all of it (however a lot of it) can be with straightened with a good ol' fashioned whupping. Some children may need medical or therapeutic intervention.
A lot of parents recognized the problems early on, but chose not to deal with it for whatever reason (laziness, too busy, whatever). Now that it's literally kicking their butts, they want to cry innocent???? Hell no!
What the solutions or reprimands should be? I don't know. Jail time is counter-productive. Fines usually straighten up people, but I think that should be imposed AFTER they fail mandatory parenting sessions and counselling.
And yes, I'm a parent. A single one at that. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1101
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 01:56 pm: |
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Tonya:
"Young people are being passed along without being challenged."
Moonsigns:
Tonya, I believe this is happening because 1/2 of the school day is spent handling disciplinary issues rather than teaching--which is a home training/parental issue. Another consideration is, many public school children don't come to school well rested, well fed, well loved, and dressed appropriately (for the weather or just general attire). Again, all of these are hometraining/parental issues. If teachers can't even get the basics taught because parents aren't fulfilling their responsbilites as parents, the very concept of teachers having the time and energy to challenge students is an unreasonable expectation. In my opinion, most teachers are just trying to keep their head above water. I'm not condoning this, I'm just conveying that I understand their struggle professionally. I also understand it personally as I have children who attend public school. I see firsthand the shyt they have to witness on a daily basis because of the lack of healthy, parental guidance that is reflected in the careless attitudes and disrespectful behavior of many of their peers.
And yes, parents should be held accountable. If their child is suspended, not only is the parent called but the parents employer as well. It should be law that if the child, who is 18 or under, is home because of susupension, the parent is not allowed to go to work--because they have to monitor their wild-jackass kid. I also believe in fines for repeat offenders. I guarantee, having parents forced to "pay" in these ways would make them take notice--as well as use some freakin' birth control.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2320
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 03:50 pm: |
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"It should be law that if the child, who is 18 or under, is home because of susupension, the parent is not allowed to go to work--because they have to monitor their wild-jackass kid."
LOL!!! Damn, that's tough; but you're right--it'll work. |
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