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Nels
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Nels
Post Number: 322
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 09:44 pm: | 
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Three point solution to illegal immigration.
1) Build a patrolled Chinese Wall-style barrier along the entire U.S.-Mexico border.
2) Deport and repatriate all illegal aliens currently living in the United States.
3) Revoke the citizenship of any descendent of an illegal immigrant, and dispense them as in step 2. (This would obviously be subject to a variety of interpretations.)
Think it’s a joke. This approach is being widely floated in many prominent political circles, and one or more of its components may well be incorporated into any final compulsory legislation.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4495
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 09:59 pm: |
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I'm fine with 1) and 2), though I might be concerned with the manner is which they are done. I mean, I wouldn't want the "Wall" to be electrified or something. And I wouldn't want US-styled storm troopers kicking-in doors Hispanic neighborhood and dragging some hapless undocumented daylaborer by her hair off to some bullet train to the Border.
But there's nowayinhell 3) gonna happen. Because, first/foremost, the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution grants EVERYONE born in the US citizen. You'll NEVER get an Amendment overturning that through the Congress, signed byt the President and then ratified by the States.
But, if we wanted to be hardcore, what we could do is declare that even though one has given birth to a child in the US one can STILL be expatriated from the US WITHOUT the child. Perhaps facing the daunting prospect of having to leave the US sans one children might compel many to do what's necessary to become legal US residents and citizens. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 327
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 11:56 pm: |
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A wall won't keep them out - they'll just dig more tunnels. Deportation doesn't work, they turn right around and come back. As a resident in a border town swamped by illegals/legals (I can't tell the difference) let me tell you about some real problems that I observe that I feel need to change.
1. They don't speak American. Mexicans here don't feel the need to speak English and they get upset when you don't speak Spanish back to them. I'm talking about when you go into a store to conduct business - the cashiers speak Spanish - not English. I mean Wal-Mart ppl! Wal-Mart hires Mexicans who speak NO ENGLISH!!! As cashiers!!! In the U.S.!!! Make them speak American or hire an American.
2. Make Mexicans take driver's training and get a driver's license. In Mexico, citizens aren't required to take driver's training or testing. A Mexican simply shows proof of age (16) and they are issued a driver's license. But they can't drive. Then they come to the U.S. with their licenses, in their raggedy cars, cause accidents, but they don't have insurance. It's a mess!!!
3. Stop hiring illegal aliens. All these jobs that Americans supposedly don't want to do, what are they? Give those jobs to U.S. welfare, food stamp, public assistance recipients (if they are able bodied), and unemployed ppl. Why do we need ppl from other countries doing work that we don't want to do? This is nonsense.
4. Teach these ppl about birth control. Mexicans don't practice birth control and they proliferate like there's no tomorrow. Mexican women think nothing of having 6, 8, 10 children - that they can't even afford.
5. Reduce gang activity. Along with the illegal immigrants come gang related problems and crimes such as burglary, car theft, meth labs, drive bys, random violence, etc. This is a major problem.
6. Collect income tax. When these illegal aliens are hired, they are paid in cash which is not reported income and they never pay tax. Why should we be required to pay income taxes when illegal aliens aren't doing so. Make them pay income taxes like everybody else.
7. They drain our criminal justice system. Our jails and prisons are already overpopulated and court cases are backlogged. When an illegal alien is arrested he is placed in our jails where he receives meals, health care, etc. until his trial and then he is released or sentenced to prison where our tax dollars further support him. When they are arrested they should be turned over to Mexican law enforcement to deal with. Our judicial systems are already overloaded.
8. Stop requiring Americans to speak Spanish in order to qualify for a job. Many of the jobs now require applicants to be bi-lingual - English/Mexican. Even some federal government jobs ppl!!! The federal govt requires you to speak Mexican in order for you to be qualified for a job in the United States of America!!!
9. Stop giving illegal aliens free health care. These Mexicans will come over here and use our medical facilities because, by law, the hospitals can't turn them away. They come over here from over there just to have their babies. But if a U.S. citizen has no insurance - guess what? he gets no treatment unless it's a matter of life or death. It's crazy!
10. Stop giving them free educations. There are areas along the U.S./Mexican border where the children cross the border to attend U.S. schools!!! Hello ppl - our tax dollars are providing educations to illegal Mexican aliens.
Those are just a few problems that come to mind but there are more. Anyone who believes that illegal aliens are benefitting the rest of us is uninformed. This is a major problem and if it isn't addressed within the next couple of years, it's going to be too late.
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Nels
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Nels
Post Number: 323
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 12:49 am: |
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Mzuri --
Aside from the fact that there is no such formal language as American, your post is quite interesting indeed. Pro or con, it certainly deserves greater consideration.
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Mzuri
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 328
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 12:54 am: |
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Actually, it's American English:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=american |
Abdi85
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 01:18 am: |
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Fact of the matter is these people are not going anywhere. As an immigrant myself (to Canada not the U.S) it's hard to say oh send them all back to where they came from, but at the same time the sheer number of these people coming across into the U.S is going to have disastrous effects on the U.S economically. I think the best option is to deport the ones you can, and create stricter border control measures. However, I doubt any of that will happen, following this story you get the sense that mexican illegal immigrants are being exploited by both political parties, by the Republican party(free labour for big bussiness) and the Democrats for votes if they push the issue of keeping the illegals. So its seems that this whole issue is going is through the regular political games despite what we see in the media. I probably sound very mean and hypocritical since I am myself an immigrant to North America, but my parents went through the proper channels. Still its hard to look away from the reality, not to mention the economic impact for poorer americans, majority of them who happen to be black. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2188
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 01:24 am: |
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And after we do that, we can help solve our own problems:
Make them niggaz speak some real English... black English don't count.
Teach these niggers about birth control.
Reduce gang activity.
Stop all these black men from draining our criminal justice system.
LOL. Are you fucking serious...?
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2189
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 01:26 am: |
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Taht was in response to Mzuri's post. Sorry, Abdi.
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Abdi85
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 01:45 am: |
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No worries, you do make excellent points Tonya. But I do believe this issue has an effect on the black community espically economically. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1996
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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They'll do nothing. The rich white folks want cheap labor to work in labor intensive fields--to make their beds and take care of their kids and put roofs on their houses etc.
You negroes talk back and want too much money. What better slave laboreres than those who you can deport the minute they don't want what is going on.
As a white man says, "The Latinos know the white man is El Jefe.
Better start learning Spanish. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2193
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 11:47 am: |
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LOL. The sad thing Chris, is that we made our own beds... helping our "brown bruthaz" out, lol. Tsk-Tsk. If there was zero chance I'd be effected by this somewhere in the future, I'd be "laughing my black ass off!"
Abdi, I agree with you 100%. I just thought Mzuri's post was ironic.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1071
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 01:53 pm: |
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#1 and #2--definitely! And I agree with Mzuri's post completely! |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 885
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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How many Catholic families do you know...with less than 8 kids? |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 325
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 01:44 am: |
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Mzuri --
"http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=american"
Nyet! Say what you mean and mean what you say.
English is not American. Next subject please.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4504
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 01:53 am: |
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Nels,
You're made a fuhking mountain out of a molehill. Hell. Anyone who's spent ANY time observing Britains and Americans speak know gotdayamwell there's a REAL difference between those 2 styles of English. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 332
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 02:05 am: |
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Nyet what? Are you Russian? The dictionary is wrong? Unless you speaketh the Queen's English, British English, English English or any variation thereof - and you reside in the United States of America and you speak English - then you speaketh American English. American is a language.
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/american
Why can't you stay on topic? Aren't we discussing illegal immigration?
And please don't bother telling me that "speaketh" isn't really a word. I know that already.
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Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 264
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 02:31 am: |
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they cut my grass cheaper than the neighborhood kids ... and they even cleaned my gutters ... they can stay as far as i'm concerned ...
until they start getting into my profession of course  |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4283
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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I'm with you, Nels. American is not a language per se. It's an idiom - English spoken with a different accent.
And you really did put things in perspective, Dobes. LOL. I read where it is silently understood among lawmakers that as far as immigration is concerned the status quo will not change. In the labor market, it's really about supply and demand. All of the reform talk is just obfuscation. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4509
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 11:33 am: |
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Cynique,
Define a language.
The English use words and phrases that have no use in American discourse or have entirely different meanings than the very same wording/phrasing Americans use. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4284
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 12:05 pm: |
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If these phrases and words weren't spoken in English then Americans wouldn't know that they weren't used by them. All English-speaking people can communicate, inspite of the different idioms they speak in. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2003
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 02:41 pm: |
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Cynique:
How is it then none of us can understand a word you are posting? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4285
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 02:52 pm: |
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Speak for youself, numbskull. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2004
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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By the way, what DID you think of "Napoleon Dynamite"? When I saw it I said to myself, "This explains Cynique."
For those of you who don't know about the movie it takes place in this real podunk town in Idaho where the people's idea of a good time is tasting milk and trying to figure out where it came from ("This tastes like this cow got into an onion patch"). The main characters are this incredibly vacuous kid, Napoleon and his pal, Pedro. They spend most of their time standing around looking slack jawed and it ain't no biggie because there ain't nothing happening.
It takes some time, but after a while you are howling with laughter at these and the other weirdo inhabitants of the town--it is like a John Waters film without all the puke and dookie eating! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4287
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 03:19 pm: |
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Oh take you finger out of your ass, St. Louis' answer to Forest Gump. There's nothing worse than a dork who doesn't know he's a dork, a wanna-be who never-was. Maybe one day you will get over your fixation on Cynique, you pitiful over-the- hill wuss. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2006
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 04:23 pm: |
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Okay. POIT!!
Hey Cynique!
Wanna smell my finger? |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 254
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 03:36 am: |
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I get the impression that most folks don't really understand how expensive it is to deport someone.You can't just herd all undocumented hispanics onto a train, call them mexicans and dump them out in Nuevo Laredo.First you have to determine who each one of this.He might not even be a mexican.He might be from Costa Rica.Once you sort out the ones that actually are mexicans you still can't just unilaterally take them back to Mexico.You have to make the appropriate arrangements with the Mexican government.For each and every one of them, individually.That's a lot of pretty expensive paperwork.
I don't know where Mzuri is from, but here in texas, if you get pulled over and don't have a driver's license, you go to jail.
I don't think that trying to squeeze a couple of bucks out of a guy that pushes a lawn mower for income taxes would be nearly as productive as repealing the royalty waivers the major oil companies have for drilling on goverment property.That would generate about 28 billion in revenue over the next five years right there.If one is concerned about collecting tax money go after the people that have some money to tax.
Don't stop giving the illegals free health care.Start giving all of the legals free health care.Every civilized nation, and some distinctly uncivilized ones, have socialized medical care for their citizens.
I've had a job for nearly half a century and my entire command of spanish rests in the single phrase ' su trabajo es su credito'I've never been pressed to learn any spanish, nor have I ever pressed anyone working for me to learn any.
The jails being overcrowded by illegal aliens is the least of our worries.There are more young brothers in jail at this moment than there are that have a job.If this is effectively addressed we will have plenty of jail space for the illegals.
The simple truth of the matter is that this is a very complicated issue with a lot of right and wrong on both sides.There is no silver bullet.And the people passing the laws sit squarely in the pockets of the people benefiting from having a huge class of cheap and totally disenfranchised labor.Mexicans are the niggers of tommorrow. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Post Number: 19
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 08:14 pm: |
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My parents waited in line to immigrate legally....a very long line. It angers me that latinos, who give me dirty looks on a regular basis and are outright rude a lot of the time, can simply jump a border, plop right down and not be treated like criminals. It's called illegal immmigration for a reason. They need to be rounded up and sent packing. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 330
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 03:06 am: |
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Abm --
"You're made a fuhking mountain out of a molehill. Hell. Anyone who's spent ANY time observing Britains and Americans speak know gotdayamwell there's a REAL difference between those 2 styles of English."
- mountain out of a molehill -
That's precisely the point. The fuckin' opposition is kickin' everyone's ass because they're not payin' attention to the "details".
And don't let the (') fool you.
By the way, you can pick up the 1st Grade crackers at the corner store.
p.s., English is English, no matter which way you cut it. Spellcheck Puhhhleeze!
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Doberman23
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Post Number: 278
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 03:30 pm: |
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i know one thing, the illegal mexicans haven't invaded taco bell yet ... because taco bell still sucks!
except for the nacho bel grande of course. |
Rastafurious
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 07:55 pm: |
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Taco Bell sucks becuz Mexican food sucks. All the illegal Mexicans need to go back to there home. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4292
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 08:38 pm: |
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Hola! I love me some authentic Mexican food, the kind you get on your way home from a night out when you stop by a shabby little greasy spoon restaurant with guys wearing earrings and hair nets working behind the counter, and cashiers who are carrying on a conversation in both English and Mexican at the same time, as niggas are lined up waiting their orders, salivating at the thought of relieving their attacks of the muncies, hopin those aren't roaches in the re-fried beans, requesting "hot" not "mild" sauce. Hummm. Mucho Gusto! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4294
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 09:03 pm: |
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Um, make that "munchies", not "muncies." |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 159
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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Uh Cynique, mucho gusto means "pleased to meet you". : ) |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 339
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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If mucho means much and gusto means flavor then how does mucho gusto mean "pleased to meet you?" A Mexican probably looked at you and said "you got a lot of flavor" and you thought they were saying something else. LOL! |
Renata
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Post Number: 897
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 06:37 pm: |
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gusto means "pleasure", but not necessarily that word in particular, but more the meaning. So, they're actually saying something more like "much pleasure". It's odd to translate some words from Spanish to English with exact accuracy.
Taco Bell tastes nothing like Mexican food, but more like some American health food version of it. Don't eat the beans in Mexican restaurants, because they usually cook it with lard.
(Also, be careful eating in Vietnamese restaurants unless they're vegetarian because they "pork up" nearly everything on the menu.) |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 160
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 07:04 pm: |
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to like, or be pleasing to is gustar. gusto doesn't mean pleasure el gusto does, however gusto with an accent over the "o" is the preterite form. Mucho gusto means Pleased to meet you or nice to meet you. It's an idiom. Has nothing to do with the verb itself. |
Renata
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Post Number: 898
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 09:55 pm: |
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Oh, God! Preterit, etc......I get completely lost on conjugations!! |
Cynique
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Post Number: 4302
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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Well, Jackie, I don't have a problem with your being a purist, but having never been one to pass up a chance to be facetious, I will inquire as to how do you know I was not speaking in the idiom of "Pigeon English", incorporating both Spanish and ITALIAN into an exclamation? And even if I wasn't, how do you know I was not telling the Spanish food I was pleased to have made its acquaintance because it was so delicious. heh-heh. |
Jackie
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Post Number: 161
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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LOL! I'm more of a combo than a purist. Ok, pleased to meet the chef that prepared the food...ok, yeah, I can see that. wink wink. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 904
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 06:41 pm: |
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My opinion on the topic:
I don't give a flying f**k. When only european immigrants were coming in BY THE MILLIONS to Ellis Island, they had people to WELCOME THEM and even help them find more "american/anglo" sounding names so that they would fit in better. They didn't care at the time that they may be taking jobs/housing/opportunities from blacks and natives. They should continue to not care now that it's hispanics/africans/asians taking jobs/housing/opportunities from them.
I only care about EQUAL TREATMENT. I wouldn't tell ANY hispanic/african/asian immigrant anything I wouldn't tell a european immigrant.
And I know people may wonder what I would feel if an immigrant "took" my job....probably the same thing I would feel if an american took my job. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 905
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 06:45 pm: |
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As my somewhat "prejudiced" husband would say, "I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally." |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 906
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 07:06 pm: |
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And most of those bitching about illegal immigrants, are from people who didn't come in illegally....only because no one gave a damn to categorize it as such. They packed a bag, took a boat over, jumped off, and no questions were asked. So SCREW THEM.
Hell, they even got to use bathrooms/restaurants/grocery stores that not even blacks BORN HERE were able to use. And now they have the nerve to say they don't want "foreigners" here? I'm sure the native americans didn't want foreigners here either, but who cared what they thought? So, I'm not about to assist them in their hypocrisy.
And I'm waiting for the day they say, "only those NATIVE to this land should stay here". I'll find a reservation somewhere and HELP THEM write up protest signs saying, "we're glad you finally agree." |
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