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Lifeofegypt
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Username: Lifeofegypt
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 06:00 pm: | 
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I am new to this forum and have read through several threads. There seems to be a recurring theme of thought that many posters are not very happy with the work of our "black leaders".
I have been dissatified with the representation and productivity of these people for years. The last high profile leader that i actually cared to listen to was Mr. Farrakhan and even he lost me with the "they blew up the levee" talk.
Who do you feel deserves to be thrust into the spotlight as a real leader in the black community?
Is it a coincidence that these people are always "religious" leaders also? http://www.LifeofEgypt.com |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 298
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:49 pm: |
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None of the bastards deserve to be thrust into the spotlight. |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 10
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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Although I'm not Islamic I guess I like Farrakhan most out of the few we have left.
As for the levees, I believe he's right about that one. I saw a woman on Like It Is (which has always been a favorite), who lived in NO and is now homeless say she was informed by workers going around the neighborhood right after the storm that they were breaking the levees. Prior to seeing them they heard the storm was over and all was clear, later on the flooding occurred.
It's my belief that the reason civil rights leaders have traditionally been pastors or a religious leader is because they are not dependant on whites for their income. During the civil rights movement when blacks protested they were often fired from their jobs. Ministers are paid by the congregation so whites have no hold over them. However, that has changed since they began giving grants and incentives to black churches. They know what they are doing, buying them out. This is why you see a lot of Uncle Tom sounding pastors these days.
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Edenson
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Edenson
Post Number: 101
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 01:58 pm: |
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Mr.Obama is a leader in the making.... |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 901
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 02:01 pm: |
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Edenson, I agree. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1898
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 02:52 pm: |
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Obama can be a leader for Illinois blacks, and limited at that, but he cannot be a national leader for black people as Senator for Illinois. Additionally, he is first beholden to all his contributors then to the Senate, then to the Democratic party, though not necessarily in that order.
If you haven't given him at least $50,000 or you can't secure the vote in a fairly sizeable county, city or town, you ain't on the radar screen.
Obama would shaft black people in a minute to save his seat or career and that's just the way it is.
Re leaders. Black people always complain about their leaders but few of them will step up to the plate and offer themselves up. All you gotta do is say you are a leader and start building some sort of organization--and take all the crap that goes with it.
When you come to think of it, who would want to be a black leader? Black people don't back their leaders, stand back, are jealous, rip them up, do nothing while they are shot down and crucified by the power structure.
Who would be a leader? Everybody sees what Medgar Evers got, King got, Malcolm X got. We talk about Farrakhan but the man got to appear with an army just to say the things he says.
No, black folks are getting the kind of leaders they deserve, it seems to me. If the leaders ain't no good, its because the followers are pretty poor.
Come with the excuses. |
Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 906
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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Well, Chris, one thing is clear: There is more than one way for a Black leader to get "shot down." |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4036
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:52 pm: |
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I agree, Yvette and Edenson. Obama exhibits very good leadership skills, which are enhanced not hampered by his political ties. IMO |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 132
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 05:46 pm: |
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I vote for Nelson Mandela!!! After MLK, I think that he is one of our greatest black leaders in recent history. |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 182
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 03:43 pm: |
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50 cent and clarence thomas  |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1962
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 04:04 pm: |
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I vote Kola Boof! |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 186
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 04:50 pm: |
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lol ... that's worse than o.j.! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1988
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:03 pm: |
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MY BAD.
I FORGOT Y'ALL HIGH YELLARDS LOVE Y'ALLSELVES SOME BLUE-VEINED BARAK OBAMA (Bama! Bama! Bama!).... AND WE ALL KNOW KOLA BOOF AIN'T NOTH'N LIKE NO BAMA (Bama! Bama! Bama!).... SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR RAINING ON Y'ALL HIGH YELLOW PARADE.
HOPE Y'ALL DONT GET TOGETHER AND TAKE AWAY MY VOTING RIGHTS!!!
NAPPY BITCHES. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1705
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 01:21 pm: |
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I'm proud to say that Barak Obama does know about Kola Boof
---and he EMPHATICALLY
Likes Me.
He's very "understanding" of what I'm doing.
He said to me, "You're special, Queen Kola. Keep up the good work."
TONYA--bless you, sister, for being so inspirational to me. I appreciate your frankness and support so much.
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Doberman23
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 195
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 04:28 pm: |
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tonya, your forgiven and ..... i suppose we'll let u keep those voting rights, they didn't work the last two elections for you anyways. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1915
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 11:03 am: |
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I am putting in a vote for Kevin Powell. He has been under the radar screen for a while as he has been building experience and gravitas--he started out as a campus activist, then a hip hop poet, then a writer for Vibe, then he kind of lost his way, battled a bunch of demons and is now stepping out there.
It is time for the youngsters to get out there. |
Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 337
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 01:07 pm: |
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Yvettep: There is more than one way for a Black leader to get "shot down." this is absolutely correct -- and no martyrs are created.
Sharpton was shot with the Tawana Brawley fiasco.
Farrakhan was shot by the Malcolm X controversy. Besides religous leader can't lead the masses today.
Chirs I like Kevin Powell too (heavens to bettsie, we are aggreeing twice in one week. Kevin appears to be doing the work neccessary to be a leader including study. Time will tell.
Obama is a politician and can never be a leader of Black people from this position.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4428
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 01:17 pm: |
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Troy: "Obama is a politician and can never be a leader of Black people from this position."
So then you disqualify ALL of the Congressional Black Caucus from being considered leaders of Black people? |
Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 339
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 08:49 am: |
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ABM: "disqualify ALL of the Congressional Black Caucus Absolutelly -- Yes, both individually and collectively.
If they were so effective would Tavis' Covenant be necessary?
Maybe you can point to one or two things that the CBC may have been solely responsible in some local municipality.
However you'd have to give me an example of something that the CBC has done, of real consequence, in the last couple of decades to benefit Black people, in more than a superficial way.
Sure they can put down a powerful piece of talking; but if you look at the issues that are typically viewed as important by "Black" people the CBC has done nothing. Were they able to get the govenrment to do better in NO in Katrina's aftermath, were they able to stop the "war" in Iraq, are they able to do anything about the failure of the public schools for our children.
Shoot, they can barely get an audience with the President.
I don't know, ABM, maybe you tell me...
Then again, I'll take a look at the CDC's web sites. Perhaps I can find example of specific actions taken and results achieved.
http://www.congressionalblackcaucus.net/
http://www.cbcfinc.org/
Additional searchs on the net point to examples of the CBC being brought off by coporate America, being internally factured, being dominated by Demoncrats, and otherwise ineffective.
The Black Commentator has an interesting article on "How to fix the Fractured Black Caucus" http://www.blackcommentator.com/136/136_cover_black_caucus.html
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4431
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 07:09 am: |
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Troy,
I think we'd have reach some consensus on a definition of "Black leadership" before I could discern whether or not we agree about the existence of such within the CBC (and elsewhere).
Though I don't know if I'd agree that Tavis' Covenant proves the CBC has been ineffectual.
Congress' primary function is to write/pass laws. This done via majority vote. And since the CBC represents only 10% of the US House of Representatives and only 1% of the US Senate, its power likely will largely be more symbolic than concrete.
And, ultimately, the potency of ANY form/entity of leadership is a product of those whom it leads. Thus, whether/how the CBC fails is born from ALL of OUR failures.
But thanks for inspiring me to checkout my Congressman's website. It does not appear as though any bills he's sponsored have been made into law. But he seems to have done a decent job steering money to our congressional district. So, overall, I guess I'd give him a B-. |
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