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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 319
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 08:08 pm: | 
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I'm tired of ppl saying that Halle Berry widen the opportunities for other black actresses. Halle Berry ruined for other black actresses. Now, when they cast for roles they are only going to be looking for Halle Berry types. Which means if it is a role calling for a black actress they are only going to be looking for black women who are light-skinned, light eyes, long straight hair, and keen featured.
It reminds me of a story by one dark-skinned black actress. She played the mother of Morris Chestnut in that movie Boyz in the Hood. She said that she was told by a white director that she would never make it far in this business because she was "nigger black" and that the industry was only interested in Vanessa Williams types. How do you guys feel? |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1924
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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The character "Laticia?" in Monster's Ball was originally made for an authentic looking black women, hence the authentic black name: fact. But Halle petitioned until she finally got the part: another fact. So of course I am not feeling Halle or anyone else who had anything to do with that very unfortunate ordeal. But I wouldn't go as far as saying that Halle ruined it for other black actresses. Hollywood is much bigger that Halle Berry and the type of behavior you described has been going on in hollywood since the beginning of its time. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1926
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 08:43 pm: |
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Of course I meant to say, "Hollywood is much bigger 'THAN' Halle Berry..." |
Renata
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Post Number: 772
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 08:53 pm: |
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I will say also, I'm not a particularly big fan of hers, but she does make sure she tries as hard as she can to get the parts she does. I remember when there was talk that she, Whitney, and Janet Jackson were hoping someone would "choose" them for the story of Dorothy Dandridge. Halley didn't sit and wait like some bored diva he knew the offers would come ... she produced the damn thing herself and starred in it. That, at least, got her my respect. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1588
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 09:01 pm: |
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Please forgive me you guys
...I LOVE Halle Berry!
OK...go head Tonya. Slap me.
You already owe me one for Mary J.
I feel that shoe flying all the way across the U.S.-----FEDERAL EXPRESS LOL!!! 
But I do.
I like Halle.
But they should have had Angela Bassett play Storm.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1928
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 09:06 pm: |
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...LOL |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1929
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 09:28 pm: |
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Reneta, I agree she should have fought for the Dorothy Dandridge story but I don't think she should have fought (ie pushed her weight around) for the Monster's Ball part--because the fact is, she played someone that she is not: an authentic black woman--and at a time when so many authentic black women struggle to get ANY parts, she took that part. And I find it hypocritical how we argue whole threads displaying our anger at the insult of white women play black Egyptians, yet on the other hand, we have no problem when the same thing happens to authentic black women. We can't argue certain points ONLY when it suits our color. We have to think about the whole race. Why the majority of us is always forgotten is beyond me. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1596
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 09:30 pm: |
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Very strong point, Tonya.
Sisters in Africa would be cheering you.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1931
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 09:37 pm: |
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Thanks. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 114
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:16 am: |
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I think Halle's alright but I don't think she's a very good actress. She always acts the same, her voice and tone are always the same, her facial expressions are always the same - there's just no range to her performances at all. And her roles are not believable, when you watch her it's obvious that she's acting.
Her Oscar acceptance speech was an embarrassment because of the way she went on and on as if someone gave her the award as opposed to her having earned it. And she said she got it for all the other ppl who never had a chance. Why she couldn't maintain her composure and act like she had some class is beyond me.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/halleberryoscarspeech.htm
She doesn't seem to have much self-worth the way she's goes from one man to the next. She'll never find a man to commit because a serious man wants someone who is exclusive. Sometimes I wonder if she screws the movie execs to get her parts. As a role model for young actresses pursuing professional careers and those who actually look up to her - she is not setting a very good example.
Look at the car accident situation - she caused a collision and left the scene. When she went to court about it, it was "I'm so sorry your honor, I realize how serious this was and I am taking this matter very seriously." If she thought it was so serious, she wouldn't have left the scene. And it's not as if she's a youngster who didn't know better. If any of us left an accident, we would be in jail. All she got was community service. Anyway, that's what I feel about it. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1606
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:25 am: |
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Mzuri,
My hubby worked for Halle Berry once as her electrician....and I got to meet her a few times...and she was SO NICE, SO SWEET and just so "inside" pretty.
So I'm kinda prejudiced.
Plus, I always liked her in movies. I think she's very natural and she is good in her roles.
"Losing Isaiah"
"Jungle Fever"
"Bulworth"
"Dorothy Dandridge"
"Gothika"
and I liked "Monster's Ball".
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:58 am: |
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Ms. Kola - I'm glad she was nice to you. I'm sure she's not all bad. I was just stating my thoughts about her acting, Oscar acceptance, sleeping around with different men and her criminal conduct.
So you thought she was good in "Gothika?" I must agree that you are kinda prejudiced - LOL!!! Because that movie was AWWW-FULLL and she was TERRRI-BBBULLL! We were supposed to believe that she was married to big fat Charles Dutton? I had to fast forward just to get thru it.
You forgot about B.A.P.S. Can we agree that she was awful in that movie? And that it was an awful movie? Please?  |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1932
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 01:22 am: |
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Mzuri:
I think Halle's alright but I don't think she's a very good actress. She always acts the same, her voice and tone are always the same, her facial expressions are always the same - there's just no range to her performances at all. And her roles are not believable, when you watch her it's obvious that she's acting.
Tonya:
That's so true; and it cannot be successfully disputed which is why her acting abilities doesn't come up much. The most profound thing about her is that she gets ALLLL of her accolades for being "the most beautiful black woman alive"...
which implies an awful lot.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1934
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 01:49 am: |
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...considering most black women do not look ANYTHING like her..
or her white mother. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1608
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 02:08 am: |
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Yes, BAPS was a true piece of shit movie.
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Abm
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Post Number: 4393
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 07:45 am: |
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I REALLY admire Halle's hustle. And she appears to be a genuine person within the ocean of phoniness we call Hollywood.
But her acting... |
Roxie
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Post Number: 696
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 08:05 am: |
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The only role I hated Halle in was Storm in X-men (yes, I'm still on this.) The character is the daughter of a dark-skinned back american and a Kenyan tribal princess who grew up between egypt and south Africa, and they pick a cafe-au lait woman who couldn't even master anything CLOSE to an african accent?!
(I am SUCH a nerd) :P
I have no problem with her other roles ( I could care less),She should just avoid roles that are AFRICAN (unless that african has a lot of white blood).
Oh BTW, did anyone know, that Ann-Marie Johnson (Roger's wife on "Whats Happening Now")campaigned for light-skinned actresses because according to her, they couldn't get roles because casting agents believed they "weren't genuinely black"?
Does anyone think this episode may have contributed to the current situation for dark women? |
Abm
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Post Number: 4399
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 08:12 am: |
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Roxie,
Don't get me started on the Storm thing. My bestfriend owns almost every one of the original X-men comics. We BOTH wince everytime Halle and Storm are mentioned in the same sentence.
But I don't think Ann-Marie was ever enuff of a force in Hollywood to effect a wholesale change how it cast Black women. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1612
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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A HUGE part of the problem itself is that Ann-Marie Johnson is a "colorist" woman.
She will fight you down if you complain that darker skinned actresses don't get enough work in Hollywood. To her---Mabel King was working.
Snot-brained yellow bitch!
Now SHE is the perfect example of the lightskinned person who would practice colorism in business---and DENY there's any disparity.
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 296
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 02:38 am: |
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Serenasailor --
"nigger black"
It cuts deep. |
Edenson
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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Tonya:
Reneta, I agree she should have fought for the Dorothy Dandridge story but I don't think she should have fought (ie pushed her weight around) for the Monster's Ball part--because the fact is, she played someone that she is not: an authentic black woman--and at a time when so many authentic black women struggle to get ANY parts, she took that part.
Edenson:
What is authentic black to you again. Is it darkskin or do you have a problem with Halle being mixed. Your almighty Kola is mixed so I doubt that that is the problem. Lets cut out all lightskinned people because accoriding to Tonya they are not authentic. FUCK those lightskinned coons... Right Tonya? She takes the roles she wants, she goes after them. If you want some darker women getting these roles, then tell them to work just as hard as Halle and they can have it too. And they never said that Latisha was for a darkskinned woman. They saw Halle as being too pretty for the role. Queen Latifah was considered for that role as well at one point. |
Keemie212
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Post Number: 3
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 12:19 pm: |
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I like halle for the fact that even though shes mixed she still gives fellow black actresses love and also Acknowleges her blackness. (side bar: i wonder if she woke up tomorrow and she as light as her mother,would she still be the same way)Her acting is good but i don't feel that part in monster's ball was good enough to get her an oscar, i think they just gave it to her because it would make black people happy (shut us up for awhile). If i were her, instead of cyring all over the place and thanking everyone in the world. I would have said something like " black actresses and regular black woman have worked their asses off and possesed style and grace for years, They did it without any awards from anyone, only others trying to emmulate their style and sass,make it their own and profit from it. So on behalf of those woman that stand infront,behind and beside me, ill leave this award for best acterss right here and say thanks but we don't need this one".
yea yea i know that would probably be the last award id ever recieve but thats the chance i would have took to really represent all the other black actress like halle said she was. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 321
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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Halle ruined it for other black actresses Tonya , because now when they cast for a black role they are going to look for Halle Berry types a.k.a Light-skinned, long haired, and keen features. Considering the fact that most black women don't look like that(even in Hollywood) that means that the roles will be narrowed down to a chosen few with those features. Yes, Hollywood may be bigger than Halle, but not for most black actresses. |
Renata
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Post Number: 781
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 01:31 pm: |
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Dark skinned women don't work as hard?
Cicely Tyson DESERVED that award and more work TWENTY YEARS before Halle Berry even became famous. She worked much harder and did BETTER WORK. |
Edenson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 01:57 pm: |
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Well too bad there aren't more movies like "Sounder" to really showcase a young actor's talent like Halle Berry's. Oh Please.... Cicely's acting skills really aint the shit... The only movie I ever seen with Cicely in it where she played a powerful role was in The Women of Brewster Place.
I know when that exceptance speech happened, I was so proud of Halle. Not too many people acknowledge other actors in their speech. Everyone wants to be acknowledged for their hard work, so you wouldn't walk off that stage without your Oscar, I don't care who you are. I think that would upset the black community more than ever. And once Oprah gets you on her show to tell you how you fucked up onstage, then we'll see how much of your face we would see after that! |
Keemie212
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 03:17 pm: |
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Edenson,
You are right, and that was funny what your said about Oprah. Im just one of those people who hold grudges and don't like to take things from people who i feel didn't really want me to have it in the first place. But i guess in life you should take what is yours if you or the people you represent worked hard for it. white people do it all the time even when they didn't work hard for it. example Gwyneth paltrow (shakespeare in love 1998 oscar), Julia Roberts (Erin Brokovich 2000) |
Renata
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Post Number: 782
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 03:40 pm: |
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Edenson, have you ever heard the phrase, "your mouth is moving, but you ain't saying nothing"?
Cicely's portrayal of Miss Jane Pittman was probably overlooked by the academy because it was too over their head and she would probably shame their other actresses.
I don't get the Oprah reference, because I don't really watch her show. None of the issues on her show are issues that affect me. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1659
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:15 pm: |
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Cicely Tyson won 2 Emmys for "Miss Jane Pittman".
Best Actress and then another award.
It was a "groundbreaking" T.V. Movie for NBC---the ratings so high that ABC decided to produce Alex Haley's "ROOTS".
It was not a theatrical film, therefore, it couldn't be nominated for an OSCAR.
Her role in "SOUNDER" was very small and not very challenging at all. Diana Ross was the one robbed that year for "Lady Sings the Blues".
Cicely Tyson has given Oscar worthy performances, especially in the film "The River Niger".
She never got the roles she deserved, just like Angela Bassett--but she really was the ICONIC black actress of her time.
I personally think she's the best black actress that has ever graced the screen. No one's "BODY OF WORK" rivals hers.
I do think that Halle Berry is a good actress and that she is not fairly judged by the black community because #1--her looks and #2--she's biracial and benefits unfairly from that in CASTING.
Many of her roles should go to authentically black women as they are written--like "Losing Isaiah", for instance, and a YELLOW woman (not Halle's mixed race look, but yeller) should have starred in "Their Eyes Were Watching God".
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1660
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:18 pm: |
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What I meant by "her looks"...is that pretty actresses, no matter what color, are always downgraded when people judge acting.
Bette Davis often said that she was glad to be "different looking", because it made it easier for the audience to see her as her character.
Halle is afflicted by her beauty.
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Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:20 pm: |
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I didn't realize that only theatrical films could get Oscars. If that weren't a rule, she probably would have won (I would like to hope she would have anyways). |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:45 pm: |
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"Miss Jane Pittman" was a-made-for TV movie and, as such, was not eligible for any Oscar nominations. And If I am not mistaken Cicely did win an Emmy for this role. Also, where is it written that the role in Monster's Ball called for an authentic black woman? Presumably no "authentic" black woman would hook up and screw around with a white man. And I guess, only authentic women have husbands who get the death sentence, and are left alone with a child to raise. BTW, Leticia the name of Halle's character in "Moster's Ball" is not a concocted "black" name, it is an old Roman one. Give it up, Edenson. Didn't you know that the reason every black actress isn't nominated for and awarded an Oscar, it is because she is - blaaaaaack. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 07:03 pm: |
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I am one of those rare people who do not think Halle is beautiful.. not when compared to the real beauties (of all races) in hollywood, throughout the years. And I think that most people feel - some deep inside - that she is beautiful for a black woman, which again, says a whole lot.
Anyway, I am not affected by her looks and I still think she's a horrible actress.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1942
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 07:27 pm: |
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I won't be able to produce the article so I won't argue this down, but it was written by a reliable source that that movie was originally put together with what was described (not stated) as an authentic black woman in mind. Also Halle was not rejected at first for the thought of her being too "pretty," as was the case of one of Spike's movies where she was to play a "crackhead," and as Edenson wrote; she was reportedly rejected because she simply didn't have the look. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 09:43 pm: |
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You're right, Tonya.
The role was written FOR and was co-developed by N'Bushe Wright.
Halle Berry came in and fought to take the role away....after she'd heard it was sent to Angela Bassett and Vanessa Williams, who both had turned it down.
The Producer of the film later claimed that Angela Bassett was never offered the role.
But SHE WAS sent the script before anybody else.
The director wanted to see Angela in that sex scene SO BAD (it was written with her in mind) and said it in a magazine article.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:11 pm: |
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That's all well and good. So where does the "authentic" woman idea come into play? If the role was so degrading to black women why is the term "authentic" applied? Just like you folks found a rationale for Meadea. Such inconsistentcy. tsk-tsk. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 08:26 am: |
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The term "authentic" was applied BY ME to the PERSONALITY and/or PHYSICAL APPEARANCE of the person originally desired, not the role itself.
I don't remember ever saying that the "role" was authentic.
Frankly, I'm not aware of a term such as "authentic role" being put into place.
...Silly Nique-Nique!!! |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:13 am: |
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All of which is why you need to quit injecting the word "authentic" into your contentions because it evaporates under scrutiny, Ton-Ton. |
Tonya
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I just thought of something....
Y'all heard of the phrase "Cute to be darkskinned," right?
Well I think that although people do not say it in words, many, many people feel that Halle is cute to be black (which SHOULD be offensive to black people).
Anyway, I think that's the best way to put it. And I think it's 100% correct. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1952
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:19 am: |
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I wasn't the one who evaporated, Cynnique. You did! Reread our posts |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:24 am: |
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I can't speak for the rest of the country, only the 3 southern states that I've lived in, but white men here love to date black women, but INSIST that she tell all of his friends and family that she's half white (even if she isn't).
In my personal opinion, I think that's part of the fascination that white men have with her: she's dark enough to be exotic, but white enough to be acceptable. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:44 am: |
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Well at the core of your contentions is that the word "authentic" is only applicable when it comes to looks. So presumably there is no such thing as authentic behavior. So how relevant is looking authentic when it comes to a role that anybody, including a white woman could play. You and the person who wrote this play are both full of it. Having an authentic looking black woman cast opposite a white male proves nothing except maybe that love transcends color which has nothing to do with authenticity. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1953
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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Cynnique:
Well at the core of your contentions is that the word "authentic" is only applicable when it comes to looks.
Tonya:
Reread the posts; get some glasses; take a nap; do something! |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1954
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:24 am: |
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By the way, Cynnique..
how long did you and I debate Angela vs. Halle's cultural blackness?--you know, on friday, before technical difficulties deleted our posts?
....And you're telling me now that you don't REMEMBER all of that??? ...all that stemmed from the term "culturally black???" ....Hmmmmm.... Perhaps glasses or taking a nap isn't the problem. Perhaps it's something deeper.. my bad.
(hehe!)
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1955
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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Also, I wouldn't equate cultural blackness to a "role" that people play. I'm not surprised that you would, though (hehe). |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1956
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:37 am: |
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This "playing stupid" thing is alot of fun. I see, now, why you like it so much, lol. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1958
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I'm sorry Cynnique.... That wasn't very nice; but haven't you heard of a role within a role. I'm almost certain that you have. If you haven't, though, and you are in fact being sincere with your comments then I truly do apologize. |
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I didn't say I didn't remember anything, Tonya. I was just continuing to disagree with you. To me, the term culturally black is another term for streotypical behavior and in the context of race this negative connotation taints this role within a role. Something I mistakenly assumed would not be the intent of the author. Furthermore, being an actress is not about playing yourself, it's about portraying a character and being convincing in the process. This is why the Academy awarded Charlize Theron an Oscar for Monster and why they saw fit to do the same with Halle. You and I just don't see things the same way. |
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(Hi again everyone!)
Anyway, on the subject of Halle I've always disagreed with the beliefs of the board on why she has been "getting" these roles.....but NOT the REASONS everyone else is disagreeing!
To ME Halle is:
1. NOT "light skin" (to me she looks light brown or the more jazzed up term cafe' lait skin)........
2. She has never been "Mixed looking", mixed looking is the singer Mya. I actually disagree and think Halle has probably been TURNED DOWNED for MOST roles she's gone out for because of her African features (mainly her nose and hair) but also partly because of her skin. Even going back looking at old movies like Boomberang one can't help but notice how NAPPY her hair ORGINALLY was until she became famous and was able to afford better stylist!
3. I never thought she was so call "unfairly judged" becuase she was sooooooooo pretty!!! lol. And let me remind everyone that I LOVE HALLE as a PERSON (***BUT NOT AN ACTRESS***). She's a God awful actress! Black Biracial or White! As someone else pionted out she keeps the same expression on her face the whole time, only her mouth moves!
There are TONS of AA women walking the street more beautiful, so I don't think its her BEAUTY that's making her BE judged so strictly and unfairly targeted. I've also seen tons of actress far more WHITER LOOKING (ie Vanessa Williams, tAMila Jones- Quincy Jones daughter, etc etc) so its NOT simply her White blood that's getting her the roles ..............---we could get a woman far WHITER if that were the case- and again one who's nose wasn't spread all across her face, with a short little boob, and (light) BROWN skin"
I THINK she get's these roles because the Black community supports her! She was in the right place at the right time when Hollywood NEEDED a Black female star TO MARKET and Blacks were so happy to finally get a "SEX SYMBOL" of their own they just jumped behind her- no questions asked about talent! |
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AfroAmerican,
You obviously haven't seen HALLE BERRY in person without her "orange sienna" makeup.
Halle is nowhere BROWN, she is light custard cream colored and she doesn't have African hair.
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Well, AfroAmerican, you don't get an Oscar for having the suppport of the black community. Halle is a reasonably competent actress who looks black enough for their purposes so Hollywood decided to award her with an Oscar for "Monster's Ball" because she went without make-up, put on some scruffy clothes, and did a lot of histrionic emoting. That's good enough for the Tinself Town crowd. |
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Then again, AfroAmerican....Angela Bassett is "darker" IN PERSON than the movie lights show her coloring to be. In films, the "cinematographer" lightens her up a bit.
But the difference between Halle Berry and Vanessa Williams (and another reason I'm a big Halle fan)...is that Halle always wears makeup that makes her look about 4 shades darker.
Halle TRIES to look black on purpose.
And she deliberately wore VERY SHORT HAIR throughout her career, because she wanted to establish that a woman could be a world class beauty and have short cropped hair (which is an African trait of fertility).
That's why I'm a big Halle fan.
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Halle is Cafe' lait' to me!
It seems on this board at times, anyone who is not DARK SKINNED is automatically considered light skin!
And I think Halle is neither!
ANd her being Biracial and not "dark skinned" still doesn't take away her obvious African feautures. Halle's head was nappier than hell in Boomerang and ALL her early work/movies in the early 1990's. She's only recently been able to transform into the new "godess" you see now!
.....but even after this transformation she STILL looks "Black"- at least to me!
If White blood were the key, then they could have picked THOUSANDS of more WHiter and desirable actresses!
Black American men of power like Spike lee got behind her! That's what did it for her, not her White blood! That White blood isn't even appearent on her! |
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I'm a fan of Halle too Kola, for what she represents....................BUT NOT FOR HER ACTING! I THINK HER ACTING STINKS!!!! |
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You act like you're Halle's best friend, Kola. When is the last time you saw or talked to her in person. How do you know what motivates her? Her wearing short hair because it's a sign of African fertility is a ridiculous statement. A short gamin hairstyle is quite popular in of itself among all females because it gives a woman a youthful, elfin, wind-blown look, - not more productive ovaries. And what a sell-out the hallowed, above-reproach Angela Bassett must be to allow her skin to be lightened for movie roles. |
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I think a few of us abandoned this discussion after the site crashed and our posts were lost.
Ms. Cynique - "histrionic emoting" - that's too funny!!! Poor Halle just can't act.
Afro - I agree that Halle had nappy hair in Boomerang and your other comments. Except the part about her being a sex symbol. I think she's cute, but not particularly sexy. And we've had many other Black actresses before she came along that were plenty sexy such as Jayne Kennedy, Paula Kelly, Pam Grier, and Vonetta McGee to name a few.
Ms. Kola - I'm starting to believe you think Halle is so wonderful because she gave you some Kool-Aid or something. You know that Halle wears her hair short because it's easier to recover from bed-head after an assignation.
Here's a link to pix of her before and after the nose job:
http://www.gossiprocks.com/forum/rhinoplasty/9342-halle-berrys-nose-job.html
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Halle spoke about WHY she wears short hair in a magazine article, Cynique.
No, I'm not her best friend or even a friend. I only met her and liked her immensely.
But she is one of the few BIRACIAL women in media that I truly adore and support.
Anything Halle does--I'm there on opening day.
I'm the say way with Julia Roberts, Meryl Streep and Goldie Hawn--Barbra Streisand.
Honestly, race has nothing to do with it. I love these particular women.
As for "short hair"----it is NOT NATURAL for Africoid women (black women) to have long, flowing hair.
That is a trait of the European and Non-black races.
Black women's beauty standard (even in Egypt and Ethiopia) was ALWAYS either a bald head or short cropped hair.
Please note that Egyptian women like Nefertiti wore elaborate WIGS and kept their heads shaven--the shaved head denoting fertility and femininity.
Halle dared to be a beauty icon with short cropped hair for the vast majority of her career----and that was a GOOD message to little black girls of any color.
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I don't care if Halle Berry got a nose job...
...or that Angela Bassett allows them to "lighten" her up a little on screen
Because I, too, as a public figure...understand how impossible it is for Black Women to be visible, and that not even black people will accept them unless their image isn't tailored in a Eurocentric way.
This is why I wear long weaves and wigs. This is why I'm so conscious of my LOOKS and try to cushion my harsh rhetoric in an attractive, sensual package.
We can't expect the Black masses to just accept a pure black image right away.
We can't expect feminism to flourish in a masculine anti-man image.
But WE CAN acknowledge that it should be that way and we can begin to train our progeny to embrace blackness and to embrace love for womankind.
TO ME---Halle, as a biracial woman, did the best that she personally could do.
Angela Bassett has represented us even better and made it possible that someone will come along and take it that much further.
NONE OF US ARE GOD...we are humans.
On another thread, the women were chastizing my decision to have liposuction as though I were JESUS or ISIS.
I'm just a woman. I am perfect.
I have vanity and insecurity just like anyone else.
This is the problem with having LEADERS.
The people don't realize that THEY have to be their own leaders and get "inspiration" and "voice" from the so called LEADER.
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Ms. Kola - I'll be glad when you get your liposuction over with so that everyone can leave you alone about it. Me personally, I am a to each his own person. If you want it, then go and get it done. You don't need anyone's approval.
The only thing I question is why anyone would willingly and unnecessarily subject themselves to any sort of surgical procedure given that the hospitals, clinics, and doctor's offices these days are a breeding ground for bacteria and disease. You go there for what you believe is a simple procedure and you come out dead because their surgical equipment is not maintained sanitary.
And yes - you are perfect. Learn to love yourself. And your love handles. |
Tonya
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Well then GO Mary J. Blige! You heard her!
LOL |
Tonya
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Oops! That was in response to Kola's 03:37 post. |
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I just thought of something....
Y'all heard of the phrase "Cute to be darkskinned," right?
Well I think that although people do not say it in words, many, many people feel that Halle is cute to be black (which SHOULD be offensive to black people).
Anyway, I think that's the best way to put it. And I think it's 100% correct.
I heard that Tonya. |
Tonya
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Cynnique:
To me, the term culturally black is another term for streotypical behavior and in the context of race this negative connotation taints this role within a role. Something I mistakenly assumed would not be the intent of the author.
Tonya:
That's only if you see cultural blackness as something negative. Many do not. Though I suspect that many more would like to see it (authentic blackness or role 1) portrayed in a variety of contexts (role 2), instead of just negative ones.
So you're right--we do see things differently; and that's perfectly fine. |
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Mzuri, that was a TYPO. I am NOT perfect.
And TONYA...wearing a wig to look like your own people (or for religious reasons, as Africans and JEWISH women often do) is quite different than what Mary J. Blige does.
Mary J. is a MINSTREL ACT. She is in full White Woman Drag (even added a Spanish Inquisition Braid!)....promoting white supremacy to little black children without meaning to.
Mary's wigs vs. Lauryn Hill's wigs.
It is not the same visual effect no matter how you try to claim that it is.
Nothing about Lauryn's look screams---I wish I was white....please notice me.....please accept me....please picture what I could look like if I was lighter.
Mary's look is PATHETIC and it looks PHONEY.
Diana Ross always wore fake everything...but she looked DAMNED GOOD and she looked BLACK.
And at least she (a sellout) wore TONS of "nappy" hair flowing out of her head.
Women of all races will always "ADORN" themselves with accessories
...lashes, wigs, etc.
But Mary J. Blige goes far beyond that.
She wears a DISGUISE---not an enhancement.
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Kola,
I agree MJ Blige looks ridiculous. But I think she was NEVER the sellout that Diana Ross was(is). |
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Tonya
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Oh and, just to be clear, I use cultural blackness and authentic blackness interchangeagably; so the following sentence could also be written like this:
Though I suspect that many more would like to see it (cultural blackness or role 1) portrayed in a variety of contexts (role 2), instead of just negative ones.
Serenasailer, you feelin' me, huh? I be hearing you too, boy
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Kola_boof
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ABM,
I said that.
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Tonya
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I be hearing you too, Kola! LOL |
Tonya
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I think NOSE JOBS and long weaves (e.g. Halle) are just as much of an inicator of sellouts as blonde weaves (e.g. Mary). But I still be hearing you, Kola! |
Abm
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Kola: "Mary's look is PATHETIC and it looks PHONEY.
Diana Ross always wore fake everything...but she looked DAMNED GOOD and she looked BLACK.
And at least she (a sellout) wore TONS of "nappy" hair flowing out of her head.
Women of all races will always "ADORN" themselves with accessories
...lashes, wigs, etc.
But Mary J. Blige goes far beyond that.
She wears a DISGUISE---not an enhancement."
You appeared to be saying above that MJB is more of a sellout than Ross. |
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Tonya, the only reason that I can't agree....is because African women in their own land, with NO foreign exposure---have worn animal fur and fake hair sewn into their heads for thousands of years.
The DIFFERENCE...is that they weren't trying to look like a different race, and USUALLY...did it for religious reasons, for short periods of time.
Women ADORN themselves with accessories---and weaves/wigs are accessories.
Mary and Lil Kim go beyond that.
Now, I agree with you,
THIS
is the same as what Mary does.
But THIS
Is not.
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Kola_boof
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Sorry, ABM....
I'm definitely not saying that.
Because I don't consider Mary J. to be a sellout.
I don't.
I just think that by ACCIDENT---her look confirms for Black youth that whiteness is superior.
I don't think she has really accepted that fact.
When "types" like me castigate her choice of look---she DEFIES us out of stubbornness---because she's not going to be bossed around, told what to do.
She doesn't get what's really at stake.
Mary tries to claim that her look is purely "Show Biz".
And yet a part of her KNOWS.
Trust me...I understand.
Because, I too, wear false hair and am very afraid in THIS SOCIETY...to look completely Africoid.
Although I am stronger than Mary...I am still weak.
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Ms. Kola - I'm not trying to put you on the defensive but isn't getting a nose job and/or wearing a blonde hairdo trying to look like you're white? What's the difference? Halle's nose/face job is just as ridiculous as Mary J's blondness and Angela's light make-up. Why is one okay (with you) but not the other? |
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And, in fact, ABM
---the times you told me that I was beautiful and such and such
...it gave me strength.
That's the problem with not admitting that we need men.
FEMALES, by nature--get most of their "self-acceptance" and validation from their fathers or other males of their "Den".
When black men constantly praise Vida Guerra and put latina and white women (or whiteLOOKING black women in their films)----they send a very powerful message that makes it impossible for black girls to develop normally.
Black men BY ACCIDENT create a legion of sulking, angry, REJECTED "dark daughters" who don't know how to smile--how to be pretty.
MEN teach us to be feminine and pretty by nurturing us.
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Cynique
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Well, Kola, as Shakspir so succintly reminded us, Africans shaved their heads because they had scalp problems and lice. And just the other day I read an article about Halle that was accompanied by a picture of her wearing her luxurious hair down past her shoulders, talkin bout how she wanted a baby. And once again you have demonstrated your ambiguousness this time about how a black woman should present herself in public as you undergo yet another make-over, turning yourself into a false icon. But that's your prerogative as long as you admit that you're a phony. |
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I'm sorry Kola Boof, but I consider Mary J. Blige a huge sell-out. Same with Lil Kim, and Michael Jackson. All of these black ppl have altered there physical appearance to conform to white supremacy. Lil Kim and Michael Jackson are extreme examples of Black Self-Hatred. Mary J. Blige is just wrong for altering her appearance. |
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Ms. Kola - I'm not trying to put you on the defensive but isn't getting a nose job and/or wearing a blonde hairdo trying to look like you're white? What's the difference? Halle's nose/face job is just as ridiculous as Mary J's blondness and Angela's light make-up. Why is one okay (with you) but not the other?
I didn't say that getting a nose job was alright.
I said that I understand WHY Halle (or any movie actress in THIS society) would do it.
And I have already visually pointed out the differences between India Arie's weave and Mary's wig up above. Just look at the photos.
India's message is COMPLETELY different from Mary's.
And India OFTEN presents herself bald or in her natural state.
Mary has been in white girl drag for 20 years.
There are no ABSOLUTES.
And there is a lot of NUANCES between "accessorizing" and revealing a flaw in ones self-esteem.
I ALSO could understand a black woman going blond for one night (to freak with your hubby) or for a short time----just to experience role-playing of some sort,
like when white women wear Afros for fun.
But that's NOT what black women do with blond hair.
They WEAR IT and behave as though it's just an accessory.
You see these close cropped African styles done in BLOND hair. And they keep it that way.
6 months, a year, 2 years...
It becomes a STATEMENT.
And, of course, little children grow up and do what they saw their parents do.
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Kola_boof
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But Serena----there's a HUGE difference between Mary J. Blige and Michael Jackson.
Mary WAITED for a black man.
WAITED decades.
And has now married that black man.
She plans on having BLACK children.
She married a black man whose skin is brown and whose nose is as wide as hers. Albeit, he has light eyes.
Mary J. Blige is more innocent and confused...than a SELL OUT.
Jackson and Lil Kim both actually wish to be white, and Lil Kim has even admitted it.
Jackson's WOMEN and his children are his admittance.
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Tonya
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Kola:
African women in their own land, with NO foreign exposure---have worn animal fur and fake hair sewn into their heads for thousands of years.
The DIFFERENCE...is that they weren't trying to look like a different race, and USUALLY...did it for religious reasons, for short periods of time.
Tonya:
You think Halle's weave in the pictures above... sporting some of the long weaves we've seen her in throughout her career (mostly now)... looks anything like that, or is more acceptable than the picture you referred to also above, stating that it is the same as what Mary does?
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Kola_boof
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Cynqiue, as noted in my last post----there are VARIABLES at play in all of these situations.
And there is NOTHING phoney about me.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be so truthful about how I feel and what I do in my own life.
A phoney would not announce to the world that she's having liposuction.
A phoney would just allow you to believe that it's all natural.
I'm not PERFECT. I'm a human being, and like all other humans---I'm a mass of contradictions.
But that doesn't make me a phoney.
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Kola_boof
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Halle is BIRACIAL Tonya.
Her weaves are not going to look like Sheryl Lee Ralph's, because they don't have the same hair.
I have met Halle, and her hair is NOT nappy, it's not African.
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Kola_boof
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And I haven't said anything about Halle's WEAVES.
I have applauded Halle for wearing SHORT HAIR for the vast majority of her career, and I applaud the reason she gave:
because she wanted young black girls to know that "Long Hair" isn't necessarily the only type of beautiful women--you can have short, natural hair and still be a movie goddess.
ON THAT ONE NOTE----she's done more than Mary J. Blige ever did for young black girls.
Because Halle really is the ONLY Hollywood Movie Goddess who was "short and natural haired" in almost all of her movies.
Only recently has she gone with the Euro look.
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Tonya
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Mary J. Blige used to wear her hair short too.. for the same amount of time as Halle did.
And regardless if Halle is biracial or not, if she's getting praised for representing young black girls, she should be held to the same standards... and a nose job does not fit those standards.
But I'ma leave it alone because I don't like the way everybody (Cynnique) is piling up on you. |
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Halle Berry is CUTE. Period. Cuteness is universal and transcends all species. Little puppies are cute. Little elephants are cute, little hyenas are cute. Scandinavians can be cute. Ibos can be cute. Chinese can be cute. Anybody whose facial features are configured in a certain way is cute. Beauty is ethnic and is in the eye of the beholder. IMO. Halle was very effective in her role as "Jinx" in that last James Bond movie, so as somebody mentioned previously a lot of her problems have to do with her role selection.
Mary J Blige has been transformed into Beyonce. Her image makers have gone overboard and she apparently has been brainwashed into embracing the Michael Jackson school of thought. |
Tonya
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So it's o.k. for cuteness to chop half their nose off??? I don't get it... and how is that NOT a Michael Jackson school of thought? |
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TONYA:
Mary J. Blige used to wear her hair short too.. for the same amount of time as Halle did.
KOLA:
This is NOT TRUE, Tonya. And Mary only tried to LOOK BLACK during her "MARY Cd". Other than that, she wore SHORT BLOND hair. Same message.
And although I love Mary more, I do think that Halle Berry is a better role model than Mary J. Blige.
I'm not going to lie to you----I really do.
And I think Angela Bassett is a damned BETTER ROLE MODEL ....than Halle Berry is.
Mary J. Blige "to me" is the EPITOME of a weak woman who SURVIVED.
It's not her "imagemakers" who've gone overboard.
Mary is insecure and is desperate to compete with Mariah Carey and Alicia Keys and Beyonce.
It never occurs to her that she should try to UPSTAGE them by donning her own UNIQUE black beauty.
I think Lauryn already proved that it ....CAN BE DONE....although it's very hard to sell.
And Mary has the raw talent, TONYA--to do it.
Mary is a QUEEN just waiting to happen. Maybe this role in the Nina Simone movie will wake her up.
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Tonya
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"Mary is a QUEEN just waiting to happen. Maybe this role in the Nina Simone movie will wake her up."
I totally agree.
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Mzuri
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We need to set up a conference call  |
Kola_boof
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You guys---
stop putting the "nose chopping" off on me.
I never said that was OK.
I said that I understood why black women in Hollywood do it.
IF THEY DON'T---they literally will not get work.
Halle Berry is no Whoopi Goldberg.
She doesn't have that kind of talent, charisma and UNIQUE-ness that a Whoopi has.
She also doesn't have the BLACK PANTHER QUEENLY-ness that an Angela Bassett has.
Halle had the makings to be a "mulatto glamour girl" and she ran with it.
I don't fucking blame her.
A girl's gotta eat.
But she STILL....tried to fashion herself in a black woman's image.
With what she had---as a biracial female---she still tried to REP for the black women and she DAMNED SURE spoke up for black actresses ON MANY OCCASIONS.
She could have come out as an INDIAN SQAW from the get-go. She could have distanced herself from the black community. But she didn't.
I am not PRAISING HALLE, as Tonya says.
But I don't necessarily see her as the ENEMY.
And I do like her.
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Tonya
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The nose chopping bit was in response to Cynnique. |
Cynique
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Cute is cute; it's a look that can be natural or acquired. And I don't think Halle chopped half her nose off, becauses her nose wasn't long to begin with. She had it made keener. And like Michael Jackson, Mary J has changed her entire appearance, to the extent that she almost looks white. |
Tonya
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And like Michael Jackson Halle chopped half her nose off, made it "keener," whiter, whatever! ....Mary, Oprah, Halle, Asian women who get their eyes wider, Indian women who bleach... it's all Michael Jackson, to me.
And, no, I am not a fan of Mary J. Blige, not in the least.
I am, however, a fan of fairness and principles. |
Tonya
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And another thing:
"Cute is cute"
Michael Jackson was "cute"... and he pulled a Michael Jackson. How is it any different when Halle pulls one? And how does Mary J. Blige differ when it comes to pulling one... and beauty?
I still don't get it. |
Cynique
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Well, somethings are like social security. You don't get it. Until you're 65. |
Tonya
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And, unfortunately, somethings you NEVER get.. no matter how old you are. |
Kola_boof
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Sorry, Tonya.
I wouldn't put Halle in the same category with Michael Jackson and Mary J. Blige.
Halle's being biracial gives her privileage that those two don't have. Their issues are much deeper and more psychic than hers.
They actually live with a type of mental illness.
Halle is more accepted than they are and was put on a DUAL pedestal ("oreo" not black enough--yet PRAISED for being the Ideal Black Woman) in the black community from birth.
Therefore, though she might be silly--she is not as self-destructive as Mary and especially not like Michael Jackson.
Mary is almost that little girl from "The Bluest Eye".
She's not Julia Roberts or Shania Twain having a nose job.
*I don't believe that Mary J. or Oprah have had nose jobs.
People say that, but it's not true.
Mary has her same exact nose...and Oprah lost 170 pounds and still has the same nose shape, it's just smaller because SHE is 170 pounds smaller.
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Tonya
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Kola:
Sorry, Tonya.
I wouldn't put Halle in the same category with Michael Jackson and Mary J. Blige.
Tonya:
I would.
Bleaching and burning the flesh... Wearing pounds of hhh-hot, sweaty, stank, fff-filthy weave... applying layers upon layers of hhh-hot, pore clogging cream-to-powder--until 16 shades lighter... going under a KNIFE(!!!)--having your nose crushed.. and your face ripped open... ALL TO LOOK WHITER... it's ALLLL the same crazy shit to me... no matter what race you are.
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Jackie
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Bleaching and burning the flesh... Wearing pounds of hhh-hot, sweaty, stank, fff-filthy weave... applying layers upon layers of hhh-hot, pore clogging cream-to-powder--until 16 shades lighter... going under a KNIFE(!!!)--having your nose crushed.. and your face ripped open... ALL TO LOOK WHITER... it's ALLLL the same crazy shit to me... no matter what race you are.
Dayum Tonya! |
Cynique
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Well, first you don't "get it", Tonya. Then, what other people do seems like "crazy shit" to you. So what? Maybe these people don't "get" your decision to sit around and ruminate because people don't accept you as you are. Maybe this seems crazy to them. |
Tonya
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Honestly, I've never had a problem being reasonably accepted by blacks, Asians, Hispanics, or whites but that's not why I think the shit is crazy....
They're not trying to look better; they're trying to look whiter. And if being accepted by whites is what they're trying to do then they seriously need to get checked out because the one thing that we've learned as a people in this country is that you can cut until you wind up a half a man missing an asshole and traveling on a skateboard... you're still not gonna be completely accepted by no whites.
That's why I think the shit is crazy. |
Cynique
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I think these people are trying to look better, not necessarily trying to look white. They are all, no matter what their race is, aspiring to the American standard of beauty which includes characteristics from all ethnicities. And the process they under go to do this is probably not as graphic as you describe it. If you are satisfied with the degree to which you are accepted, then colorism should not bother you the way it apparently does. |
Tonya
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Just because I have been treated reasonably, doesn't mean that I'm satisfied with the way my sister, brother, aunts, uncles, friends, and mother have been treated. That's what I find so odd about you Cynnique. Some people cannot feel... and I think you are one of them. |
Cynique
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Oh Puleeze, Tonya. What I find insufferable about you is that you can dish it out but you can't take it. You can cuss people out, call them names, chant your mantra and shout your slogans, bristle with resentment for people like Halle Berry, and then when somebody challenges your attitude, you become this sensitive caring person who feels the pain of others, unless of course they are a color different from you. Get outta here. No wonder you and Kola are so much in tune. You're both full of it - full of contempt for everybody whose views don't reinforce yours. |
Renata
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I don't get how an ethnic person getting LIGHTER skin is not trying to look whiter. I don't get how an ethnic person getting a "less ethnic" nose, lips, etc. is not trying to look LESS of their own ethnicity. I also don't get why their simply having lighter skin is somehow "better".
Even more than this, I wonder why they would consider "being less ethnic" and "trying to look better" as nearly synonymous.
This, to me, is the issue: not necessarily that they change ANYTHING, but that traits they wish to acquire are those possessed by whites. Having your nose changed because it's simply too big for your face is one thing. Having your nose changed because it's too "ethnic" looking is completely different. Similarly, bleaching your skin because you have scarring, very uneven skintone is one thing. Bleaching flawless skin with no problems just to get it lighter is completely different.
The people that do this don't necessarily have a problem with looking "ethnic" at all, or they wouldn't try so hard to acquire traits belonging to other ethnicities. If you tell the people who don't want a "black" nose or "asian" eyes how good and BRITISH/SCANDINAVIAN/GERMAN/NORWEGIAN/RUSSIAN their new nose or eyes look, they would have no problem with it. They just think they look too much like the WRONG ethnicity. They somehow have a problem with their black skin because it's "too ethnic" (or WHATEVER), but have no problem with having the German, Norwegian, and Russian man's skin color. THIS IS THE PROBLEM....Not that they wish to look "better", but that traits from the white man is what's considered "better". His blue contacts are "better" than our own brown eyes. His straight hair is "better" than our nappy hair. His "thin, keen" nose is "better" than our wide ones. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
And, IMO, this is much different from Kola's liposuction. She'll have thinner body parts that don't define her ethnicity. Black women have all sizes of thighs and midriff/waist, so her having a thinner waist won't mean at all that she's trying to get a "white girls waist". (Heck, black girls seem to have smaller waists anyways.) |
Cynique
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Well, if you don't get it, you don't get it. Sounds more like a case of your not agreeing with a contention rather than not getting it. Get that? |
Renata
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Cynnique, we all know that you think "less" ethnic is "better" than what we currently are/look like, so I'm not even interested in your views on any of this.
I'm just hoping the upcoming generations won't get caught in this crap that tells them the only way they can look "better" is to look more like white ethnicities and less like their own. But that starts with us.
You can continue to hope your family keep getting bluer eyes and lighter hair, I seriously don't care. They're probably going to mostly kill themselves with heart attacks when they find out they're still considered black in this country anyways.
Tonya and Kola, whatever you do to teach African girls that white man's straight blond hair is NOT better than their own hair, and his blue contacts is not better than their own brown eyes is good with me. I just hope I can help you get that message across. |
Tonya
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Cynnique:
Oh Puleeze, Tonya. What I find insufferable about you is that you can dish it out but you can't take it. You can cuss people out, call them names, chant your mantra and shout your slogans, bristle with resentment for people like Halle Berry, and then when somebody challenges your attitude, you become this sensitive caring person who feels the pain of others, unless of course they are a color different from you. Get outta here. No wonder you and Kola are so much in tune. You're both full of it - full of contempt for everybody whose views don't reinforce yours.
Tonya:
Cynnique I was simply responding, nothing more.. nothing less. But the fact that you can't UNDERSTAND how I can be a raging pit bull at times, and a sweet, sensitive kitten during others is interesting because it supports my theory: you CAN'T feel. That's why you can't understand.... It's impossible for you to realize that my being both strong and weak is absolutley normal.
BTW, Please point out where you "challenged" my attitude. |
Tonya
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***Tonya and Kola, whatever you do to teach African girls that white man's straight blond hair is NOT better than their own hair, and his blue contacts is not better than their own brown eyes is good with me. I just hope I can help you get that message across***
Most definitely, Reneta, and I think your two posts were beautiful and on point. We need more sisters like you. Seriously. |
Kola_boof
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full of contempt for everybody whose views don't reinforce yours.
That's you too a "T" Cynique.
Thanks for identifying yourself.
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Kola_boof
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And, IMO, this is much different from Kola's liposuction. She'll have thinner body parts that don't define her ethnicity. Black women have all sizes of thighs and midriff/waist, so her having a thinner waist won't mean at all that she's trying to get a "white girls waist". (Heck, black girls seem to have smaller waists anyways.)
Renata, thank you.
I'm trying to get back KOLA's waist.
Nobody else's.
As well, few people know what it's like to be photographed everywhere you go.
And they fail to understand the IMPORTANCE of what it's like to make the speeches/comments I do in public.....and be able to do so without our enemies claiming that I'm a fat, ugly, desperate BITTER BLACK WOMAN who can't get a man.
My attractiveness and my great height sets people in AWE. In person, I can actually look like an ancient Queen.
And I need to work that angle.
I'm always amazed that SOME OF US haven't become more sophisticated in dealing with the very Image Machinery that is used to assassinate and destroy the image of black women.
The images on my books and MY image is designed to PSYCHE-out my detractors.
And when the history books are written----no one will able to say that I was some Bitter Ugly Black Woman who couldn't get a man and was militant man-hater.
To the contrary, my life story and my filmed image totally DEFIES those stereotypes.
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Cynique
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Blah , blah, blah, Kola, Renata and Tonya a 3-headed varmint who doesn't get it. Yawn. |
Moonsigns
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Kola:
"I can actually look like an ancient Queen."
Moonsigns:
But your nose, eyes and mouth seem to favor your father's people--a tell-tale sign that you are Biracial.
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Kola_boof
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And just look at yourself, Cynique:
We may be vitamins but we wouldn't be
caught DEAD in that Pocka-Dot dress
you've been wearing since the March
on Washington.
Go head girl. MARCH.
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Kola_boof
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Moonsigns, I could care less if people see the Arab Egyptian in me.
Fact is.....I'm serving it Black.
Which is what I look like. 100%
And very few people ever think about my white blood--although, my autobiography clearly PRAISES my white Arab father who was a King of a man as well as a few other whites that I love.
But the Black Race will never rise through "whiteness". My father was right.
We need to reject whiteness (meaning white supremacy)-----as he did.
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Moonsigns
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Kola--KOLA!
European (White) "blood" is very different than Arab/Egyptian "blood". And you don't look half White, you look half Arab.
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Kola_boof
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NO, MOON---
go back and read.
I look 100% BLACK.
That's what I look like.
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Moonsigns
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Kola:
"I look 100% Black."
Moonsigns:
Yeah. You have brown skin, but your features, especially your nose, look very Arab--especially in one photo when you were younger and very, very thin. If I were to see you on the street, sure, I'd think of you as being a "Black" woman-- but a Black woman who doesn't have strong African features, though.
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Renata
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She has much stronger African features than most Black Americans, even though some may be darker skinned than she is. I hardly think they'd wonder if she were half anything. |
Edenson
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Mary wearing blonde hair doesn't mean she is trying to be white. It's just her style. I was watching tv and she said in an interview that she first started wearing her hair blonde after seeing Salt & Pepa, and they had dyed short cropped hair, with the sides shaved. I think it was on a special they had on MTV called "Growing Up Black In Ameica." There are african tribes that dye their hair red. I guess they are trying to become white as well. Why don't we ever say these things when we see a white woman who gets a perm and crops her hair. She might be trying to become black, so we sould let it be known, right.... Yea, right. Mary is a black woman from the hood, whose been used an abused, is uneducated, but still found a way to come out of the turmoil, have a successful career, mary a black man who had two children of his own before they even met each other, and all ya'll can do is talk about how white she wants to be. When I see those pictures I see fantasy, glamour, beauty, wealth.... I don't see a woman trying to be white. White people did not invent makeup, wigs, or anything else that can improve a person's look. And they sure as hell ain't invent wealth.
And I'm sure Halle's hair is not straight the way that we see it. And I doubt that it comes out in neat curls the way she had it in Their Eyes Were Watching God... It's called a relaxer and a good blow dryer.
Maybe some of you didn't read that book but Halle was the perfect description of Janie. She could have been a litle ligher in fact seeing as how they did say that she looked almost white.
White isn't what is selling right now... It's glamour. Just because people aren't walking around with traditional african garments on their backs, and afros doesn't mean you're selling out. India Arie's look is fine for her. She dresses the way that you would expect a neosoul singer to dress. When you look at her, you don't think glamour... You think, she's going for the earthy look. This is why she won't sell more then Mary, Beyonce, Janet, Alica, or Mariah. And neither will Lauryn. I can't even believe that ya'll tried to put Lauryn's style against Mary's. Lauryn has only had two solo albums in maybe a six year span or something like that. Mary has had more albums then that. So who is to say if Lauryn's style is really accepted. Lauryn may not wear blonde weaves but she will sure as hell step her ass up in a VeroWang dress and pose for pictures in Vogue.
Halle is a great actress, and she has opened a lot of doors for black women in the industry. Maybe some of you haven't noticed but then again none of us are in the movie business. She has made it acceptable to be black, and to demand better roles, and a higher salary. Isn't she the second highest paid actress or something? She never denies her blackness or puts it on the back burner. We want her to acknowledge her blackness, but we put her down for not taking no for an answer. She's done more then Cicely Tyson, I'll tell you that. Ya'll don't have to stick up for her because she's old.
Ya'll say she had no emotion in Monster's Ball, but her character had no feelings... She was empty, depressed, stressed, poor, a single mother, with her baby's father on death row. How did ya'll want to see her act? I thought se was excellent. If she hadn't won the Oscar, we would probably be sitting here discussing how she should have won, and how much she deserved it. I don't think there was anyone else that did a better job then her in that category. |
Mzuri
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If Ms. Kola is half Somali and half Egyptian then she is 100% African. Therefore she has strong African features. |
Kola_boof
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MOON,
I admitted in my autobiography that my "nose" and "brow" are my father's and that I didn't inherit Mommysweet's type of beauty. I do resemble my Arab father.
But still, I look totally black---unless you get at the very roots of my hair which have an "eggy-ness shine" before curling and napping.
Other than that, you can't tell I'm mixed.
My Arab father wanted me to come out even DARKER, believe it or not.
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Moonsigns
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Kola:
"I do resemble my Arab father."
Moonsigns:
No shyt! That pic that you posted recently of you sitting on a bed--your features--not your skin-tone--look completely Arab. And to me, particular facial features are more of a give-away of "mixed" hertiage than skin-tone. And you definitely look more like a Black American rather than a pure African.
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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"Pure African" as in "authentic" (as you so often suggest are the TRUE "black" people). |
Shyfox
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 08:01 pm: |
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I think that the question should be - how has Halle's success in Hollywood helped black actresses - i.e., has it helped more of them get bigger and better roles. |
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