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Roxie
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:51 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This weekend I went to see "Medea". Technically, it was Friday mid-day, but apparently so many people took off of work that day that it felt like a Saturday. o_O.

Tyler Perry never fails! Finally, a movie that didn't compromise itself to cater to white audiences. To be honest,I did not see one white face in that film. And it apparently wasn't nessecary, since some of the ppl in the theater were white.

The best part about the movie was....

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During the credits Medea began commenting on the viewers in the Audience bringing their babies to the movie...and THERE WERE couple folks in the room with babies(We could hear them crying)! Perry SURE knows his own people, Doesn't he?! LOL!
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And on a serious note, It maintains the nice balance of comedy and drama that the stage play had. Oh and let's just say it features a message and happy ending that only black people can understand. ;)

You know you have a good movie when people stand up from their seats and applaud. ^^'

It's already pissing off white critics and suburban "whiggers" for not being the typical ghetto-romance they want us to make for them. But it's not for them--it's for US.

Watch this movie, you won't regret it. :-)
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Kola_boof
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanx Roxie, I've heard it was really really good escapist entertainment and FUNNNNY--EEEE. :-)

I'm going to see it this weekend, I hope.





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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 02:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think Tyler Perry's drag character is insulting to black women, but apparently I am in a minority.

The next time somebody throws you up against the wall and frisks you for your gun or asks if you smoke weed, then you know who to thank.
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't enjoy the "drag" part either, Chris.

But I like MADEA.

I don't like the drag characters by Martin Lawrence and others---who so obviously HATE black women.

Tyler's films profess a profound love for black women and a desire on his part to take up for them.

This is why so many black women support him.

Granted, the quality of his work is low-brow, but still, he is loving of black women's images and inner feelings.

He strives to make sure they're NOT INVISIBLE.

Cicely Tyson and Maya Angelou are also featured prominately in the film.








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Renata
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 04:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'm glad that he did the part in drag only because it's an over the top, perhaps somewhat stereotypical character. If a black woman had played the part, it would probably be typecasting (putting a black woman in such a role because "that's how they are").

But since a man in drag did it, perhaps people will see that the character isn't real, but that it's a comedy PERFORMANCE that's meant to be over the top and stereotypical.

Thanks, Roxie, I'm looking forward to this movie now myself. I'll wait to buy it, because I don't take my baby to the movie. LOL

I always wait for it to hit blockbuster, because I KNOW my son isn't sitting down for 2 hours.
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 06:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I saw the play live. (which featured scores of beautiful black women of all shades and from all walks of life). I saw it with my mother and sister and we enjoyed it very much. It was hilarious (!) and none of us were offended; infact, we were pleased with his evenhanded representation of black women. If the movie is anything like the play, it should be more than worth the time/money.
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 06:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Reneta, some black women are that way, and would be offended by your insisting that they are not "real."
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 07:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know that some women are like that, but with so many movies today, they don't want to put black women in the movie unless they're some over the top domineering mama figure or "baby mama" figure. The MAJORITY of black women are neither, but we don't hear enough about them.

Most popular modern movies with a black man in the lead has him either with a domineering mother who's slapping him or is raising him as a single mother, or with a jealous girlfriend/baby mama who's always hassling him. I'm sorry, but I'm getting tired of hearing about these 2.

Tyler Perry, being a man in drag, took the "stereotypical domineering mother figure" and made it into a performance, and allowed the real women to play softer, sweeter, more vulnerable roles. These are the women we don't hear from often enough.

The first time I saw the preview, I laughed hard when I saw him on the bus, grabbing some boy and threatening to beat him up. It reminded me of my great grandmother who weighed maybe 90 pounds with her clothes on and was maybe 85 when she died, but she would kick your ass if she had to.
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"{He} allowed the real women to play softer, sweeter, more vulnerable roles. These are the women we don't hear from often enough."

He sure did! And you are right; we don't see/hear from these women much.... That's why the play was so darn refreshing :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 12:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The movie was EXCELLENT and him dressing in DRAG is besides the point (its called acting). Everyone can relate to a Soulful Grandma like Madea who doesn't take shit from anyone. Black folks can never give one another praise ....instead we talk shit about one another. Give the brotha' a round of applause, he came up from his homeless situation to what he is now. I commend Tyler Perry and his FABULOUS cast. STOP! hatin' and get your own ..........I would love to critique what you have to offer Chris.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 04:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Too bad a garbage truck didn't runover him while he was going through them garbage cans--

He has insulted black womanhood with his Flip Wilson impressions

If anything he should have let a black woman play the part and get the money--
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 09:20 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris, I am too young to remember Flip Wilson but I know there's a HUGE difference between Martin Lawrence's portrayal of black women and Tyler Perry's one. Martin does it to make fun of these women.. so people can laugh AT these women. Tyler does it so people can know them, love them, and be a part of them. It's almost like sharing your roots with someone so that they can know what it's like to be home. Most people loved, UNDERSTOOD, and have cherished a woman like Medea before; but for those who haven't, Tyler presents one for them--and they are honored, I'm sure. Because he does it in a way that brings honor.. respect. As for having a real black woman play the part, I don't think ANYONE could do it like he does. That's the magic of Tyler Perry. He does it better.. more responsibly than anyone, male or female, could.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 11:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, the thread I started on this topic before the server outages is broken! It is a conspiracy!
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I couldn't agree with you more Tonya, he says that a lot of those characters are based on members of his family, his Nans, unlces etc. and like you said "who better to play them than Tyler. I loved the movie and God Bless you Chris
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,
is there ANYTHING you won't criticize?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 02:14 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya:

Sorry, but Madea is not loveable--she might be if she was a real woman or a real woman playing her--there has to be a certain amount of hate or envy in drag queen performance.

Roxie:

I won't criticize YOU, poo poo! xxxxxxx
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For those of you who weren't around when Flip Wilson performed as "Geraldine" - it was pure comedy - it was an act on his comedy variety show. Geraldine would walk around the set flaunting her stuff and her main line was "What You See Is What You Get!" and he was totally hilarious. It was so funny that Flip had difficulty maintaining his composure trying to keep from laughing about it himself. Of course I was just a baby back then so that's all I remember about it, but I don't think you could compare Geraldine with anyone else. It was one of a kind.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 03:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Flip Wilson's Geraldine was sassy and coy. Meadea is more in the vain of Aunt Esther on Sanford and Son, or Jamie Foxx's alter-ego Wanda on the now defunct black comedy series "In Living Color". They were both broad caricatures of neck-workin, hand-on-their-hip, gun-totin ebonic-speaking black females with super attitude. This Meadea movie opened number one at the box office with a take of 30 million, and I'm sure her character was the main attraction for the huge black turn out.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 04:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll likely NEVER see any of the Meadea movies. I'm happy Tyler's project have provided work for Black actors and actresses. But I just don't get the lure of transvestitism. I can't get over the fact I'm watching some sillya$$ man in a dress.

And what I find interesting is there is some much more interest in men portraying women than there are women portraying men.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 04:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I seen some women do some funny send ups of men in drag--the two gals on The Parkers and that gal who was on Living Single were funny.

A sillya$$ man in a dress--Abm, there is hope for you yet.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 04:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now that I come to think of it, ain't it funny how women don't get it how they are being insulted by this drag mess? I bet they would think twice if they saw their man going off with RuPaul.

Hahaha! I remember I was in this bar and this--well what do you call a gay man who dresses like a woman--after all, I understand drag queens are not necessarily gay and transvetites are not either--

Anyway he was coming on to this guy with his date. He started hollering all across the bar--"Is that bitch giving you any money? Is that bitch giving you any money?" When the guy took exception the drag guy said, "You can jook me all year and I won't get pregnant!"

His date was not amused.
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Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 08:39 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some men dress as women to pay respect to our gender, not ridicule it. I consider it flattery if men emulate us. :-)
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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 01:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynnique you are such a liar. You crusty wrinkled fugly bitch. You ALWAYS tell flat out lies to make your point. Tyler Perry's Medea is NOTHING like Jammie Foxx's Wanda. Jammie was clearly making fun of Wanda's appearance, most notably her big greezy lips. And Sanford and Son's Esther was not the problem--it was Redd Fox and his ugly, filthy looking, colorist ass who had the problem.

Get it right bitch!
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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 02:20 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh hot damn! Tonya Mae is back!

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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 02:20 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I couldn't agree with her moore.

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Well, if it ain't that ol flat-assed loser tonya crawling out from under a rock, dragging her old scruffy nubian pet with her, crapping on herself, calling someone a liar for saying what these 2 fools can't bear to hear because they are both too stupid to discern that "attitude" is the common trait of their idol Medea and Wanda. And it's such a coincidence, tonya, that you are the first thing who comes to mind whenever I see Wanda; a sorry lookin bitch shifting from one big foot to another, hoping some authentic man can get past your repulsiveness to give you a play. Not! BTW have you paid your regular visit to your dermatologist to get something for those pimples that are competing with your face to see which looks the worst. LMAO.


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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 10:08 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

DAMN! IT IS CALLED ACTINGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DAMN, yourself. The gun-toting, loud mouthed, Meadea role the Tyler Perry is ACTING is one that is comparable to the negative image of the black female as exemplified by the booty shakin skanks in the videos that these same ol drones are always complaining about. Bottom line is that this says a lot about what great numbers of black folks apparently want to see and enjoy. So be it.
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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 11:30 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique,

A Black man dress up like a matronly Black woman and effect all of the stereotypes therein. And that's a good, uplifting thing?

*shrugs*
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Are you asking me or the fans of Meadea, ABM? All I can say is that I wouldn't consider this ridiculous female character portrayed by a man to be a good uplifting role model.
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I see a lot of issues being discussed here. Now, I say again that I have not seen any of Mr. Perry's productions, so I cannot comment on whether or not they are uplifting or anything else.

I understand, though, why people are dismayed that the film versions must continue to feature him in drag to play the main character. On stage, I can see a little more--he (T.P.) was the draw. But now he has created this character that many people like. Why not cast a Black woman in the role for the theatrical versions? There are SO many with so much talent and very few vehicles for displaying it. (Personally, I'd vote for the woman who plays the nurse on "Scrubs.")

Instead, there is so much distraction about "a Black man in drag" that many can't even get to discussing the human-ness of the character.

Many of you talk a lot about authenticity. So, I am confused: How is a man, playing a Black woman, more/as authentic than a Black woman playing a Black women? Are older Black women so generic that anyone can play us?
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This thread is so fascinating to me...because I am usually at the front of the line COMPLETELY DISGUSTED by this type of casting.

I totally despise Martin Lawrence now--and I've noticed the deliberate Minstrel/BlackFace HATEFULNESS towards black women in these caricatures...this being a vehicle that can be claimed to be innocent.

Jaime Foxx as WANDA really was a cruel and hateful rebuke of black women--and ultimately, all black people...for those smart enough to see deeper.




As for Tyler Perry, though...I LOVE his films.

I don't think Madea is meant to be "authentic" AT ALL. She's really a country Goddess.


I believe Tyler's homosexual (though I don't know that).

And I believe that whoever his grandma/Nana was--he never got over losing her. He insists on "channeling" her....or more likely, a COMPOSITE of southern black women he's grown up with and knew and loved.

I personally, as a black woman, feel LOVED by his portrayals of MADEA and Black women and by the messages in his movies.

I have to admit--watching the first movie--I never once saw Madea as a "man". Perry, to me, is more convincing as this old woman than as the 2 men he plays in the film.

Again---as "low brow" and sitcomy as his humor and scripts are, I can't remember a time when I've seen Black women so honored, acknowledged and presented as MULTI-dimensional and "Human" on screen before.

Of course this could be done better....but right now, he's the only one bringing it.

I love it.

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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 01:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm determined to become a filmmaker.

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Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 02:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm,

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A Black man dress up like a matronly Black woman and effect all of the stereotypes therein. And that's a good, uplifting thing?

*shrugs*

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When this performance takes place, you do not see a a matronly Black man dress in drag--you see Medea--which is what makes it so of magical. I surprised my older sister and mother when I took them to see the play. I delibrately withheld the fact that Medea was really a man so I could see the look on their faces when it was annouced--THEY WERE SPEECHLESS.

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...and effect all of the stereotypes therein.

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His depiction of a gentle yet stern black woman was enhanced by the character's wit, charm, intelligence and durability. That, along with his inspirationally impressive staging of beautiful black women from all walks of life, as supporting leads, is what effected those stereotypes.

And, Yvette,

nobody said that HE was authentic in any way.. not sure why you chose to go there so frankly I find your confusion rather interesting.
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There was a certainly poignancy about Jamie Foxx's Wanda character, so much so that at the end of the skits that featured her, when she'd affect a sad face and utter her signature: "I just wanted to rock his world" line as yet another man got away, the whole audience would release a loud collective sigh in sympathy with her. About Medea there is a thuggishness which, although funny, is rather inappropiate for somebody portraying a grandmother.
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Meadea, Wanda, Aunt Esther, and Shanaynay are all characters that I think are hysterical--phuckin hysterical at that--and while I don't (personally) know or interact with many black women like these characters in everyday life, I have come across a few in my lifetime. I also think so many people are open to tv and films with certain characters because, on some level or another, they can relate.
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Of course a white bitch would think that Shenaynay is really us...or that Wanda is hysterical--phuckin hysterical at that.

The fact that women like these actually exist is beside the point----it's the meanspiritedness and the SCORN that is intended by the men's BE-trayal of these women in MOCKING them for the entertainment of white people, black men and everyone else who hates these types of black women.

So of course a typical Cracker-Cunt white bitch like you, Moonsigns----would so thorougly enjoy the MOCKING of these "inferior" creatures.

It makes you feel better about yourself.

Why don't you get back out in the yard
and finish fucking your dog---something you nasty ass WHITE BITCHES never get enough of.





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And this issue is an example of how some black folks excuse the very things that they complain about, which is to say that all it takes for them to approve of something is for them to simply like it. So Kola can loooove high yellas like Halle Berry and Haki Madhubuti becausee, well, you know, she likes them.
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Oooh girl

---call us when "Fido" gets done tapp'n that White Cottage Cheese Ass



HA,HA, ha!!!

Yall NASTY WHITE BITCHES love suck'n that
doggy dick, don't yall?

No wonder you smell like Wet Dogs your
damned selves. It sure is hilarious.





We all know how NASTY you little dirty-cunt
White Bitches are.

To me---that shit is what's FUNNNN---EEEEEEE.

Ha,ha, ha BITCH




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No Cynique---

I like those who like ME.

That's why I love Halle Berry and Haki---and don't like Harry Belafonte and his phoney ass black-pimp'n FAMILY.

And I love that which honors ME.

That's why I love Tyler Perry's work---and hate that rat-faced nigger bitch Martin Lawrence's work.



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Dearest, MOON-Cluck,

Here's a picture of your ugly ass WHITE MOTHER.



She's even funnier than Aunt Esther, wouldn't you say?

Clam-Chowder faced CRACKER bitch.





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Kola,

I never wrote that I think Shanaynay represents all black women--but I have met a few black women like that in my lifetime--and you have, too. And while the white-owned media, in general, doesn't always give black women eqaul representation, we, as consumers, have the right to pick and choose what we watch and give our MONEY to. To me, watching Sanford and Son or Martin is no different than watching SNL or Mad TV--where they portray white people in ways that I find phuckin' hysterical, too. Acting, in it's own right, IS art imitating life. Nothing more, nothing less.


Now go eat some Birthday cake with Thomas and tell him what a bitch I am.

LMAO!


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"To me, watching Sanford and Son or Martin is no different than watching SNL or Mad TV--where they portray white people in ways that I find phuckin' hysterical, too."

Yeah, but, moonie, the portrayal of whites evens out. You have the SNLs... but you also have everything else: ("Little House on the Prairie, Twin Peeks, Beverly Hills 90210, and son on; and son on).
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I LOVED Aunt Esther.

That's all I have to say.


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Kola,

Cynique is right. You have some pretty duplicitous views here with respect to colorism.

You rundown Harry Belafonte for having ONE White wife, eventhough though he once had a Black wife and he reproduced Black children with her. But you DON'T do the same to Quincy Jones who's married and reproduced with FOUR (or is it FIVE) White women and has NEVER even dated, much less married a Black woman.

'Plain THAT, babe.
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~"Forever Shanaynay.
It's like a dream.
I'm holding you close,
You're keeping me warm
If this is ecstacy...
Forever SHANAYNAAAAY!!!
"~
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Kola can't "plain" that, ABM, because she plays by her own rules. And you are now in her doghouse agreeing with me.LOL
Poor Moonie. You should've known better, than to say how those streotypical black women cracked you with laughter. You have to keep these things to yourself on this board. LMAO.
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True, Tonya (in regards to Beverly Hills 90210 programs etc.)--that's why I wrote that people can pick and choose what they give their money (and time as well) to--in order to produce change. Nevertheless, those characters are funny (to me) and I know better that they don't represent black women as a whole. Maybe that's why my perspective is different and I don't find them offensive. But I do understand how some people can be bothered by such as well as how some people feel as I do.


I'm asking your opinion--not for you to speak for all black people. As a black woman, how do you think the unequal and misrepresentation of black women in the media will change? Do you think programs like Girlfriends, The Cosby Show (though older), Bernie Mac, My Wife and Kids, That's So Raven, Steve Harvey (sp?--I think that's what it is called) and The Parkers (to name a few) are programs that accurately reflect the everday lives of Black people in AMERICA (in general)? If yes, why? If not, why?

Anyone else, please respond with your opinion as well!

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Cynnique:
"Poor Moonie."


Moonsigns:
Poor me. LMAO!
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Cynique,

I only mentioned Kola duplicity to respond to her criticizing my mentioning Belafonte in this (and another) thread.

I agree with A LOT of what Kola says. But I think she's revealed that there can be no perfect view here. Because we all, eventually, become less a color and cause, and more a person - good, bad and other.
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Kola, re: the homosexual issue. That was one of the points of some of the letters in response to that Salon.com article on Perry that I posted on another thread. One letter writer claims he "stole" his act from an Atlanta area drag act. Another noted how expertly he dodged the sexual orientation issue on Oprah.

I have no idea. Like I said, I am only familiar with what I hear from you all and others about Perry and his work.
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I'm still trying to figure out how Tyler Perry's work honors you, Kola?? Is it because you both have a penchant for representing yourself as someone else?? LOL. And you are much too vulnerable and vain and insecure to be in a category with Madea. It's funny how the crude, overbearing Madea is becoming a cult figure, and being put on a pedestal. How hard up for role models can some people get???
And not to worry, ABM, I did end my statement about your agreeing with me with an "LOL" because I was juuuuust kidding. I haven't gotten to the point where I think of you as an ally.
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ABM:

Kola,

Cynique is right. You have some pretty duplicitous views here with respect to colorism.

You rundown Harry Belafonte for having ONE White wife, eventhough though he once had a Black wife and he reproduced Black children with her. But you DON'T do the same to Quincy Jones who's married and reproduced with FOUR (or is it FIVE) White women and has NEVER even dated, much less married a Black woman.

'Plain THAT, babe.


KOLA:

That's just it, ABM.

You think it's Belafonte's white wife I'm against.

I'm NOT.

Belafonte was in a love affair for years with the South African songstress Miriam Makeba.

My dislike for Belafonte is that he's an ARDENT and CONFIRMED ......"Mulatto-IST".

He uses Black People to have a Podium, to be a spokesperson

...but he doesn't love black people AS black people.

When it came time to marry--he married a high yellow white looking woman, then dumped her for a White woman.

His two kids married WHITE.

Yet they all run around in African garb, pretending to be spokespeople for the rest of us. EXPLOITING us.

Belafonte could have a "black" wife and I still wouldn't like his message.

There's no way possible that this




QUINCY JONES, while not being man enough to produce black people----DOES love them and he gave us "The Color Purple". He honors me.

Despite what you all think....I'm not against every black man who marries a white woman.

I have a very special INTUITION about men. And I don't like Belafonte.

JONES is a "nigger", not a "Mulatto-IST". I have more pity for JONES, because he has honored black women in his work----and not in "token" ways, but in very real representation. I know a lot about his work and I know a LOT of black women who he has empowered.

He's never denied the special plight of the black woman.








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ABM, it doesn't bother me that you're an admirer of Harry Belafonte.

In his younger days, I would have fucked the shit out of that man. And I do love his voice, his charm and I love the things he said and did in his "Makeba" era.

It's just that to me he's a "person of color" leader and not a "black leader".

But Mulatto-ISTS believe that we should forget the black race and focus on "people of color" anyway.

I'm not down with that.

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Kola,

I don't see how you can claim Quincy Jones is not a "Mulatto-IST" when he's reproduced 5 or 6 mulatto children with FOUR different WHITE women.

And I think you'll find that Harry Belafonte has been AT LEAST as active in promoting Black affairs as Jones.

Belafonte for decades been as active as ANY African American in promoting the interests, welfare, art, etc. of Africa, the Caribbean and the African Diaspora.

Belafonte was a confidante and advisor of Martin Luther King Jr. He paid for MLK's funeral and Coretta's rent after MLK was slain.

And Belafonte even quoted your beloved Malcolm X when he very aptly referred to Colin Powell and Condi Rice as "house Negroes" who "lived in the house with master [Bush]".

Quincy Jones has NEVER stepped out against the White power structure like that. If anything, he has helped buttress and GREATLY benefit from it.

For example: Quincy Jones is the founder/publisher of Vibe Magazine, the prime media promoter of the very Hip-Hop music and culture that YOU have quite eloquently criticized.


Btw: Is it more than just a coincidence that Michael Jackson began to change his appearance from Black man to White female right around the time he started hanging out with Quincy "I sure do LOVE me some WHITE women" Jones (late 70's - mid 80')?
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ABM,

You are probably right.

I aquiesece.

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Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 12:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, you are right.

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Cynique,

I view you to be neither "ally" nor adversary. To me, we just agree and disagree.
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I hear ya, ABM, but on a board that has almost come to be divided along the lines of pro-Kola and anti-Kola, people tend to think in terms of alliances. Let's hear it for neutrality!
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ABM can never be neutral when it comes to me.

And he won't.


I'm sure he read my last two posts.


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Who really cares???
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Apparently you do.

You even came back to post---"Who really cares"----as if SUPPOSEDLY, you don't.


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Ladies...Ladies...Really!

ENUFF, ALREADY!!!
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Don't confuse caring with my compulsion to always have the last word. LOL
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Kola,

I'm not trying to compel you to alter your views about Harry Belafonte and Quincy Jones. But I think you'd agree it best that you at least attempt to be fair about what you think of them within the context of your (ardent) views about colorism.

To do otherwise is to risk impairing your credibility.
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ABM, didn't you read my last posts?

You're right.

I just don't like Belafonte by intuition.

I feel far more threatened by him than by Jones.

Ultimately, these men have set the wrong example for our children and should not be "black" leaders no matter how they sympathize with black suffering. Jones has not positioned himself as a leader.

Belafonte has-----and truly, furthermore, someone MUST

absolutely MUST, begin to publicly denounce the messages that these type of men transmit to Black children and to society in general.

These men are innocent and are following the examples of their colorstruck Pre-fathers....but still...if we are not to end up like the American Indian, someone has to publicly attack this behavior and mark it as WRONG---

just as we eventually had to make the successful African man see that "slavery" was wrong, no matter how rich and prestigious it made him feel.

Because I'm an outsider, but am growing in power...I'm able to make those attacks with the force that is necessary.

I may be destroyed later, ABM....but even if I am....my death will only AMPLIFY my message.

Seriously.

We can't have real change unless someone is willing to bring it by FORCE.

As the Chinese say:

"If we don't change our course now--we will end up where we are going."









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As you know, Kola, I can never let you bask in the absolutes of your predictions. The Bible tells us to be wary of false prophets, a designation which fits you because you are a prophet of doom, incapable of conceiving the alternatives to your dire scenario, alternatives which in the big picture can give rise to a new age of unity and tranquility.
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Only to your High Mulatto Porch Nigger-Mammy eyes, Cynique.

I guess you believe in "HAM" too...and that blacks are cursed and were created by God to be slaves, as the Bible says?

I could give a fuck what your bible says...and I am NOT a weak Black woman who sits and does nothing while her own children are being erased.

Don't hate me because I'm a goddess and not a negress.








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LMAO! Wassa matta Kola-nut? Did I burst your balloon, besmirch your eloquent little soliloquy? And when did you become Chinese?? I don't hate you, I pity you because you are a joke, a colorist who, herself, is a colorist, a block head unable to accept that skin color is only one aspect of racial DNA, unable to admit the possibility that a blend offers the best of all races and that when it occurs all races sacrifice something of their originality, not just black folks, unable to reconcile how she laments about black skin being universally rejected even as she extols the desireability of it. You can rant till you're yellow in the face, but nothing can distract from the fact that your desire to be a black Joan of Arc supercedes all of your noble pretensions. You're full of shit and anything else you have to say on this subject will duly reflect this. So rant on you 46-year-old has-been. ROTFLOL.
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Cynique, with ANYTHING you say----

---I always consider the source.

And the fact is...you're no match for me.

I could care less what you think of me and I certainly don't value your Nigger-Blend.

I am a Black woman, therefore I want my children Black like me.

You envision a world of Michael Jacksons---I envision a world of Denzel Washingtons.

Also....from this moment on, Cynique...I will delete any posts where you lie about my age.



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And you fear me and what I stand for (the validity of it), Cynique.

Everybody knows that by now.




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What everybody with any sense really knows is that you dream will never come into fruition in America. So dream on, Marcella Garvey, from your position in the midst of people who have no choice but to think like you do.
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Right on Kola!


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Kola..

Cynnique said:

"...So dream on, Marcella Garvey, from your position in the midst of people who have no choice but to think like you do."


I really believe Cynnique feels this way, that we're adamant because we have no other choice, not because we respect blackness.... Mind-blowing, right!?!


Listen..

I'm trying to tell y'all, Cinnique is past niggerdom; she's crossed over to white supremacy nazism. She's beyoooooond house nigger.... She's a white culture Aficionada, a self-loathing colored, anti-black, and a sociopath to boot. Yet she has the nerve to get mad when people say she's not black....

Now, Kola, please, in all seriousness..

How do you explain that?
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Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 01:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Girl, I couldn't have described that GOBLIN "haint" better myself.

She's just conquered.

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Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 01:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Honestly, Tonya----when I first met CYNIQUE---

I thought it was a joke.

I just couldn't believe that she was THAT house Wh-Y-nchy.

But that bitch is daffier than geese.

She hates black people and she can't wait for the day when they no longer exist.

She's said it many times.

To her, just like a white bitch, it's PROGRESS.


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Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 03:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola:
"I am a Black woman, I want my children Black like me."

Kola: (about Cynique)
"She hates black people and she can't wait for the day when they no longer exisit."



Moonsigns:
While Cynique is more than capable of "speaking" for herself, I just thought I'd bring this particular point to the "discussion". If Kola is truly about loving "authentic" blackness and advocating for that, then it would just be. It would not be about hating and accusing other of self-hate just because they don't hold her global idealolgy. Kola "envisions a world of Denzel Washingtons." Maybe Cynique envisions the same thing as well, I really don't know. However, the main difference between Kola and Cynique that I have seen thus far is, Kola is unwilling to accept that the world will never be a world of "Denzel Washingtons"--as it should not be a world of Jude Laws, either. But what it is, is a world full of many different types of people--from color to faith--that have the right to live, love and worship as they choose--which Cynique understands and accepts. This does not mean she, as well as other Black people who think as she does, passively tolerate racism/colorism, either. Which is always a misconception. Blacks, mostly at the hands of other Blacks, have a harder time being considered an individual than other colors. I have always found that interesting--especially considering the time we live in.

I think every adult human being--no matter gender or color--must come to this conclusion in order to survive and thrive. No one will ever totally control what others think or do.


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Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 03:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya:
"...that we're adamant because we have no other choice, not because we respect blackness....Mind-blowing, right!?!"


Moonsigns:
This comment kind of reminds me of a common feeling that some black women share in regards to black men who date/marry interracially, which is, if black men date/marry interraically, that's fine. However, they (the black women who feel like this) don't want the dating/marrying "out" to be blamed on them (ex. bw are fat, lazy, unattractive, etc.) Bascially, just be about what you want to be about--but don't say you're doing it because I'm inadequate.

The very same notion can be applied here. If it's about "respecting" blackness, it's not about disrespecting anything else.

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That comment says no such thing... not even taken out of context, for goodness sakes! I know you have to reach, but at least try to make some kind of sense next time, will ya!
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Going by Moonsigns's logic, Tonya--I don't see how Cynique could EVER make a comment.

Moon is such a lose screw, but that High Toned Porch Negress is the only friend she's got, so she's got to try and put some milk in the grits.

Clam-chowder faced dish rag.









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What the hell is she talking about. Cynique has said quite adamantly and quite a few times that the direction we are going in is that we will soon all be mulattoes/mixed, and there's no point in trying to change it.

A world of many different types of people is one thing and one I can support, but when those different types no longer include African blackness, but rather a light-haired/light-eyed hybrid that's the "closest we can get" to African because full black people no longer exist because African descended people PUSHED for it to happen, that's SELF-hate if I ever heard of it.
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Of course, you know, Moonsigns, that you risk being raked over the coals for daring to express a point of view that encompasses a degree of objectivity and I commend you for having the fortitude to speak up. Kola thinks I fear her but at this stage of my life she is absolutely no threat whatsoever to me or to anyone else for that matter. She is a paper tiger. She and Tonya are grasping at straws, trying to fortify their ambiguous postion by hoping to discredit me, -Tweedlee-Dee and Tweedle-Dum propping each other up, deperately hoping no one will see through their fallacies, fueled by the hate and resentment that galvanize their dream of splintering the race and emerging as a great black force that will dominate and control and punish, deluded into thinking that this sect can influence the mainstream or that American will enable their madness or trust them with power. If 25,000,000 slave descendants have nothing else, they do have an independence of thought, and that will be the down fall of Kola Boof, the idol with big feet of of clay. Now go ahead and delete this; it's posted elsewhere. LOL
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You're so stupid, Renata. If, as you fools claim, I am not black then how can I hate what I am not. Go stand back in the corner, while I bask in my self love.
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You're so stupid, Renata. If, as you fools claim, I am not black then how can I hate what I am not. Go stand back in the corner, while I bask in my self love.
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You're a dumb bitch, yourself. When the fuck did I say you weren't black?
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LMFBAO!!!!!!

You tell her Renata!! :-)






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MOONSIGNS,

Did you read what RENATA said right here?




What the hell is she talking about. Cynique has said quite adamantly and quite a few times that the direction we are going in is that we will soon all be mulattoes/mixed, and there's no point in trying to change it.

A world of many different types of people is one thing and one I can support, but when those different types no longer include African blackness, but rather a light-haired/light-eyed hybrid that's the "closest we can get" to African because full black people no longer exist because African descended people PUSHED for it to happen, that's SELF-hate if I ever heard of it.





That's the best it can be put. So your posts are completely ignorant and prejudicial.




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My dislike for you, Cynique has NOTHING TO DO with whether you're "black enough" or not. Hell, I'm yellow myself and consider MYSELF black, whether or not other people agree with it.

I can't stand dumb fucks who push for WHITENING black people, and that's whether you're dark or light skinned.
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Renata you are such an nonentity that I don't waste my energy or time on disliking you or caring what you think about me. So say whatever you like if it makes you feel better about yourself. Now go crawl back into Kola's pouch like the good little kangaroo that you are LMAO.
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Go crawl back under your master's porch while he reads you another page from the white supremacist agenda book. Then come back, so we can see just what you learned from him.
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"Madea represents a matriarchal figure that many of us grew up with, one who says whatever is on her mind - and what everyone else is thinking BUT is too damn AFRAID to say". I thought of you after I read this sweet Kola.

As for the post that everyone has written..... its like reading messages from a bunch of chickens "cackling" can we grow up people I mean really.......everyone is entitled to their own opinions WHY must we call ANYONE out of their name. I mean we are all ADULTS? Am I right? Anywhoooo check out Essences article March 2006 its a great brek down as how Tyler came up with the charaters...."The nurturing part of Madea came from my mother who who would open the doors of our home to anyone, NO MATTER who you were. My aunt inspired the pistol - packing, the wig and the voice. She over pronounces her words and puts an 'r' on everything to make it sound proper". and who gives a shit if he's gay or straight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE nNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MAN!!!!Cynnique you should stop what you are doing and go and rinse that mouth of yours out with SOAP! Ugh!

PEACE AND KEEP ON DOIN' WHAT YOU'RE DOIN' SWEET KOLA NO MATTER WHAT ALL OF THE NAE SAYERS AND HATERS MIGHT THINK.

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