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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 02:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


http://www.thestar.com/article/200265


JIM WILKES/TORONTO STAR
Doris Moore's 7-year-old daughter, Olivia, spotted this label on covering around a new sofa set.

Mother had to explain to daughter, 7 origin of 'totally unacceptable' word on wrapping of furniture built overseas.

When the new chocolate-coloured sofa set was delivered to her Brampton home, Doris Moore was stunned to see packing labels describing the shade as "-brown."

She and husband Douglas purchased a sofa, loveseat and chair in dark brown leather last week from Vanaik Furniture and Mattress store on Dundas St. E.

Moore, 30, who describes herself as an African-American born and raised in New York, said it was her 7-year-old daughter who pointed out the label just after delivery men from the Mississauga furniture store left.

"She's very curious and she started reading the labels," Moore explained. "She said, `Mommy, what is nig ... ger brown?' I went over and just couldn't believe my eyes."

She said yesterday each piece had a similar label affixed to the woven protective covering wrapped around the furniture.

"In this day and age, that's totally unacceptable," Moore said.

Douglas explained the origins of the word to daughter Olivia, telling how it was a bad name that blacks were called during the days of slavery in the United States.

"It was tough, because she really didn't understand," Moore said. "She'd never heard that word before and didn't really understand the concept of it."

Moore, who has a younger son and daughter, said she's heard the word used many times, although it has never been directed in anger at her.

"But it's a very, very bad word that makes you feel degraded, like you're a nobody," she said.

Moore said she called the furniture store the following day and three other times since, and feels discouraged that no one has returned her calls.

When interviewed yesterday by the Star, Romesh Kumar, Vanaik's assistant manager, passed the buck to his supplier, Cosmos Furniture in Scarborough.

"Why should I take the blame?" he said. "I'm a trader, I don't manufacture. I sell from 20 companies, maybe 50 companies. How can I take care of all of them?"

He said that he would check similar stock and make sure other labels were removed.

"That's terrible, that's a racial ... something?" Kumar said. "This is entirely wrong, but it's not my fault. It's my job to sell good product to people."

He said the best he could do is to give Moore the telephone number of his supplier, so she could take it up with him.

The owner of Cosmos Furniture, Paul Kumar, no relation to Romesh, said he was upset to learn packing labels on products he sold carried a racial epithet.

"I import my products from overseas," he said. "I've never noticed anything like that. This is something new to me."

He passed the blame to a Chinese company, but apologized for the labels. He said he would contact the furniture maker in Guangzhou and demand they remove all similar labels.

Moore said she's not sure she wants the sofa set in her home.

"Every time I sit on it, I'll think of that," she said.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's terrible! If I were her, I'd get rid of it.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


By getting rid of it, I hope you mean send it back to the store and get a refund, right?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Honestly. As I observe the photo of this woman, 2 things come to mind:

@ Is the couch she's sitting on "N*gger Brown"?

@ It's difficult to take her pleas of racism seriously with all that fake hair on her head.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"It's difficult to take her pleas of racism seriously with all that fake hair on her head."

Why?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


WTF does the woman's hair have to do with the factory calling the furniture finish NIGGERBROWN???
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BB123,

Because I find all that fakea$$ hair wearing to be quite N*GGER in nature.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mzuri,

Yes, that is exactly what I meant (refund).
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"BB123,

Because I find all that fakea$$ hair wearing to be quite N*GGER in nature."

ABM,

I gotta disagree with you on this one.

How do you know that she doesn't wear her natural hair as well? Cause many Black women tend to be very versatile; meaning they might wear a weave one week and then switch to their natural hair the next.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Better to be a fakeass weave wearing than to be a and a jackass all rolled up into one :-(

And P.S. Jackass - Her hair has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BB123,

The vast MAJORITY of women I know who wear weave almost exclusively wear weave. You seldom see all of their real hair. And even if when you do see their real hair, you almost NEVER see it anywhere near it's natural curl pattern.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Right. And so all these weave wearing bitches deserve to receive furniture called NIGGERBROWN.

You fukcing piece of shit jackASS!!!
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But why do you feel that if a black woman chooses not to wear her natural hair, she deserves to be discriminated against?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puleeze. Like any woman who has hair extensions is a "n i g g e r" and any woman who doesn't, is above reproach. What a flawed criteria.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This woman encounters blatant racism but can't be taken seriously because she wears "extensions"/"weave"?!?!?!?! WTF?!


Wow. That's crazy!
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm, out of curiosity, do you object to the hair itself being fake, or do you object to the texture of the fake hair?

I ask because women around the world, of all backgrounds, adorn themselves with wigs, hair extensions, and hair pieces - and have done so for centuries. However, what I see amongst Black women is the tendency to wear fake hair in a texture that's not normally found amongst most Blacks. So I'm wondering would people still object to Black women wearing wigs, weaves and such, if Black women chose more "natural" textures.

"Nig/ger Brown, eh? Wonder what Trailer Park White looks like?
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ABM = A fake ass inverted oreo coon! This is some of y'all's idea of the father of the year? And this man has BLACK daughters!!! I sure hope they don't wear any weaves, lest they receive some NIGGERBROWN furniture, get spit on, discriminated against and worse.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 03:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM seems to be fixated on hair. He described the hair-do of one of the Rutgers players as looking like a peacock. He's probably bald-headed and is trying to overcome his urge to get a toupee. LMAO.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 04:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM:" It's difficult to take her pleas of racism seriously with all that fake hair on her head."

ABM, I don't want what you're smokin!
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


And to think this deluded scum of the earth oreo thinks he's high and mighty enough to put somebody on ignore mode. I rarely get pissed at anyone's posts but you take the cake, crackhead motherfucker!
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think all the weave-wearing is N*gger. I put it in the same N*gger catagory of mofos wearing their pants sagging down below their a$$es, platinum grillz, fake multicolored fingernails, etc.

I mean, really, enuff with that bvllsh*t already.

Now, if you don't like my opinion about that well then, baby, that's why they call this the Land of the Free. Because just as you're free to express your opinion I'm dayamCOCKsure am free to express mine.

Now I'm going to leave this thread alone before I start call foks out of their names.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I wonder what trailer park white looks like..."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMG" First Yvettep with "NO MORE WIRE HANGERS!" Now Urbanscribe with this one!! MAAAAAAAAn! Some of yall ought to go on a comic tour! HAAHAHAHAHA!!
*tears rolling down my cheeks falling on the ground LAUGHING*
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM,

US made a good point. Weave IS NOT and NEVER has been a Black Woman ONLY thing. What label do you give all the white, spanish, and other women who wear weaves? It's a very common practice. Plenty of white girls come in to the shop where my stlyist works to get all kinds of weave. Surely you don't think that all white girls are born with long flowing thick locks, now do you?
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ABM - This is NOT about anyone denying your freedom of thought or expression. This is about you being a FUKCING NAZI RACIST BASTARD PIECE OF SHIT OREO WHO PASSES FOR A BLACK MAN.

This woman spent good money for that furniture, money that I'm pretty sure she earned in an honorable manner, and she received a packing slip with a racially derogatory term from a factory run by racists. And you think that she deserves this since she's a because she wears a fukcing weave.

For all you know JACKASS she could have been in a fire and lost her hair. She could have cancer, undergone chemotherapy and lost her hair that way. There are other reasons that people wear wigs and weaves other than because they choose to.

You're such a moron it's unreal. You think your wife is better than the rest of the Black female population because she doesn't use Black hair care products? Well - here's a newsflash for you DICKHEAD. The is CLUSTERFUKCED for hanging with your DICKless SPINEless WORTHless piece of shit ass.

And your daughters are some NAPPY HEADED HOS!!!


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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 06:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, ABM, you better split this scene to avoid looking more like an ass, because for somebody who constantly criticizes Cosby you are now emulating him, equating a certain appearance and a particular status with being unworthy. How superficial can you get?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 09:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mzuri wrote:
For all you know JACKASS she could have been in a fire and lost her hair. She could have cancer, undergone chemotherapy and lost her hair that way. There are other reasons that people wear wigs and weaves other than because they choose to.

That definitely crossed my mind. As well, we don't even know if it's a weave or not. Least I don't -- nor do I care.

I don't understand why folks are more concerned with the hair(style) on someone's head rather than the mindset under their hair(style).

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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A_womon...one question I do have: how many do you think buy weaves to look like hair they would never grow out of their own head EVER?

I have nothing against weaves (I don't wear them, but that's a personal choice), but I find them more beautiful when they look like your own hair. I was told here months ago that Angie Stone wears a hair weave. AND HER HAIR LOOKS GOOD. But the weave (if it actually IS one) is Afro and looked so natural because it MATCHED the person wearing it.

When someone walks up and says NICE WEAVE...you ain't wearing it right.

I've known white girls who wore weaves. And I only knew they were weaves because they TOLD me. They get it to their very own texture and color (some pay A LOT OF MONEY to get an exact match, and some only use them occasionally to make a ponytail look thicker or some such stuff). I've never known a hispanic girl who had weaves, but I'm sure they exist. They seem to take pride in just growing their own hair (the ones I personally knew anyways). But the older women sure like it RED for some reason.

Jmho, black women's hair don't shine quite like that on a regular basis (straight out of salon maybe, and even then it only lasts a day or two). WEAVE can't be worn on burned skin (that's lost the hair), nor can it be worn on people who have no hair (as in due to chemotherapy)as the hair is glued or sewn onto the hair, not the skin. Wigs have to be worn in both cases.

I used to hate weaves until I learned that Angie Stone's hair is a weave and she was proof that it can be done to look good.

I don't particularly agree with ABM, but I can see what he means.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jmho, sometimes the mindset under the hair DICTATES the hairstyle. In a lot of rural southern towns, you have women who have worn relaxers so long, NO ONE knows the real texture of their hair.

I was SERIOUSLY FUKING PISSED when I had custody of my niece from age 3 to 5 and I took good care of her hair and every time she visited her mother SHE RELAXED HER HAIR OR HAD BRAIDS PUT IN DOWN TO HER WAIST. EVERY TIME. It took me months to try to get it back close to her natural texture.

OR the time I visited a friend who worked at a salon and brought in TWO girls UNDER FIVE for a relaxer for their first day of school.

I don't make a big deal out of women or even older girls who get relaxers, I just get seriously pissed fuking off when girls get the message before they can write their own damn name that something's wrong with their hair....and then when they get older they don't even KNOW how to take care of their own hair because they never got a chance to.
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JMHO - It's really bothersome when a long-standing member of this forum reveals his true feelings that he believes a Black woman is not entitled to the same level of service or quality of merchandise (as a white person) because she's Black. Or because she grooms herself in the manner that she chooses because he doesn't approve of it. Judging from her picture, she appears to be a well-groomed woman who takes great pride in her personal appearance. I mean, we could act like a bunch of hens and make snide commentary about her penciled in eyebrows, her makeup or whatever else, but who are we to judge her in that regard and what does any of that have to do with the fact that a furniture factory has named their furniture color NIGGERBROWN.

The question here should be thus: How would any of US feel if we bought some furniture and it was delivered to our home with the label shown above?

Sadly, we aren't making any progress when our own Black men feel that we are second class citizens :-(


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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry...I visited a friend and SOMEONE brought in two girls under five.
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BB123,

No I do not think nor did I say or imply that wearing weave makes one eligible for racism. I simply noticed the irony of someone crying racism doing what I consider N*gger in nature. I'd have the same feeling if she were wearing grilled teeth and pleaded her case in indiscernable ebonics.


U_S,

Fok would object less if the weave more closely matched the pattern and style that's natural to the person who wears it. Why? Because most of us probably wouldn't notice it were weave to begin with.

Now the question I have for you is WHY so much of the weave Black women wear is STRAIGHT if it's NOT leftover N*ggersh*t?


A_womon,

I neither know nor really GAF about what non-Black women do with/to their hair. But I tell you what, when the same percentages of White women are weaving tightly curled, locs, cornrolls and afro puffs into their hair as they're are Black women pressing, perming and weaving straighten hair into their heads, then maybe you and I can talk.


Jmho,

I think what's on the head is a reflection of what's IN the head. And if you're ALWAYS radically altering what's atop your head, then, well THAT pretty much speaks for itself.


Renata,

What do you think it means that Black women weave straighten hair unto their head a lot more frequently than do non-Black women weave more African-looking hair unto theirs?
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ABM = STUPID ASS KNEEGROW. YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY YOUR WACK ASS SHIT, BEOTCH. AND BTW, YO MOMMA IS A NAPPY HEADED HO. YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN TOO. HOS. BEOTCH.
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still sore about Abm ignores you Mzuri lol!
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Time for us to talk ABM--because I'm telling you they are!

They just showed the stylists(white)from AMERICAN IDOL, displaying weaves that he has recycled over and over for his white contestants There are millions of non black women who consider hair as an accsessory to do with what you like and my aunt informed me that even before weave came on the scene, white and other women were wearing "falls" and hair pieces and wigs to give volume and length to thier hair.

So ABM, welcome to the new millineum---LET'S TALK, SIR! HA!
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 08:58 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Renata,

That black women choose to wear straight weaves goes to the fact that they choose to get perms to straight hair, its one and the same to me. The same reason white girls get perms to curl thiers I guess. And I know spanish girls that wear weaves one famous one is Jennifer Lopez. But you, like others assume that black women are the only ones who have problems with thier hair... this is simply not true...a lot of women from other groups ARE NOT BORN WITH nor CAN THEY GROW long flowing hair. THIS IS A HUGE MYTH!

Also there are lace front weaves==like the one Beyonce wears that make hair look like its growing from your scalp, and you don't need to have hair to wear this type of weave.
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I think what's on the head is a reflection of what's IN the head. And if you're ALWAYS radically altering what's atop your head, then, well THAT pretty much speaks for itself.


What is more radically altering than when these balding men who shave their heads every morning? What does that say about that man who is more overly concerned about his natural balding pattern? I'm seeing now, this is more related to sexism than just those who dislike people who wear weaves. There are men who have hair transplants and you never hear any other men (or women) complaining about that or making comments about this is a reflection of what's in their head.

To me, fake hair is fake hair. But some folks think if you put on a afro wig or weave in one, or put on additional hair to have braids, down your back is okay, but let this same person decide to straighten their hair chemically or put on a straight wig or put a in weave, then hair police come out in full force. If you wear a wig or weave for the stage, to give yourself a change of hair style for the day or as Mzuri mentioned for medical reasons, who are we to then start making judgements on something which we know nothing about. And this says way more about those who are judging than those being judged. Besides, some view hair as fashion, and as time changes, so do fashion.

There are folks who decided to not chemically straighten their hair, but then will dye it, from their natural color, what does that say about their mind set? That's more about vanity, than anything else, especially if the hair is graying. I am just wondering, where is the consistency of condemnation. Or where is their picture, so others can nitpick their appearance and personal choices they have made for themselves, including hairstyle.

Wearing one's hair in it's natural state determines and influences one's mind set -- well as we saw once again, last week, Don Imus definitely shot another hole in that theory.
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Now the question I have for you is WHY so much of the weave Black women wear is STRAIGHT if it's NOT leftover N*ggersh*t?

I agree, to a minor extent, that there sometimes is a "slave mentality" behind the selected textures of wig, weaves, etc, worn by some Black women. But I also believe that for the most part these women just want to "change it up." One month, straight; the next month, curly; the following month, blonde; then after that, pink; then a fro, and so forth.

When I hear Black women discussing their hair (weaves), they never believe they're fooling anyone - nor is that their intention. They just want their hair to look nice, and they like variety. The discussions that I've heard never revolved around assimilation, or that empty catch-all phrase everyone likes to throw around: "self-hate," but rather freedom to express their own individual tastes and style. So, I generally feel that talk of Black women wearing straight textured wigs, weaves and such, or other textures most Blacks don't naturally have, are blown way out of proportion and some people are reading far too much into it. Sometimes the connotations aren't that deep. Sometimes it really is as simple as "styling and profiling."

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LOL @ JMHO. I just rolled out of bed. It's a quarter past 7:00 a.m. and I've only had about three hours of solid sleep. I'm making some hot tea so that I can take some aspirin and get back in the bed, and in the meanwhile I'm going to make a phone call to the East coast regarding a new business account I set up yesterday. It's past 9:00 there and they're waiting on me. And GURL, you ought to see my HURRRR!!! It's a big ol' MESSY MESS!!!

But trust me, it is no reflection of my intelligence (or lack thereof). LOLOLOLOL!!!


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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 09:18 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Good Morning US!!! :-)


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I applaud all of you ladies for reducing ABM's rebuttal to flakes of dandruff, and for cutting off the split ends of his fuzzy opinion, and for tossing the hairball of his logic into the place where it belongs: in the toilet, along with the rest of his bull s h i t. LMAO.
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ABM, so I guess if this woman had an Angie Stone afro,dashiki, and some African beads, she'd be taken more seriously ? LMMMMAAAA00000! Oh my gawd the pain, the pain of laughing so hard ! Where did u get your pipe from 7-11 ? I know many sisters with locks and natural hairstyles and believe me the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top. Talking about racial profiling! Her hair is beside the point. This thread is about the racist label attached to some furniture she purchased. If you would like to start a thread about black women's hair, then go right ahead my brotha. What do you think about the label ?
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A_womon, please read my response again. I didn't say anything about other women not liking their hair. I specifically pointed out how they wear hair that MATCHES their own texture so that it's not noticeable.

I pointed out Angie Stone because her weave looked so much like her hair that not everyone can even see that it's a weave. When it's OBVIOUSLY someone else's hair, it looks busted!

There's a reason you don't see white women in beauty supply stores: they go to their stylist to order hair that looks JUST LIKE THEIR OWN instead of some store to buy some Chinese woman's hair. Which is probably what Angie did. The point isn't to rail against weaves, but against that which is so OBVIOUSLY the hair of some other race women. Let's see other people keep stores in their neighborhood just to buy afro hair, like we keep stores in our neighborhood just to buy asian and caucasian hair.

Or if you're so much into equality, buy up some hair from those girls with African hair who cut it off when it's longer and nothing is wrong with it. My hair has been past my shoulders and cut buzz-cut short at least three times (I think 4) in the past 10 years. And I can promise you all of that hair went straight into the garbage. Twice, my hair was relaxed STRAIGHT and would have more closely matched black women who have relaxed hair. Even that isn't straight enough for black women in this country who's real relaxed hair looks JUST LIKE IT. But if I had been Chinese or Japanese, I could have sold it so some dumb can swing it around like it's her own hair.

To get back on topic: I wish she had given more information on the manufacturer of that furniture than just the store where it was bought so that black people nationwide could make sure not to buy it. That's another item that black people seem to replace often more than other races for some reason: furniture.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 04:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Let's all keep it real about the fake hair texture. Most fake hair is derived from real hair. From chicks in India and Asia. When Black women start cutting off their hair to make wigs for other Black women, that's when we'll be sporting fake hair that looks like ours.


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Renata - I hadn't read all of your post before posting my comment, and we're basically saying the same thing.

As to the source of the Canadian lady's furniture, most of our furniture is manufactured overseas. Her furniture came from China, which is the same place (or some other part of Asia) that most everything we use comes from these days. So if you plan to boycott stuff from China, you'll probably be left with not much to choose from.


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Renata,

You don't wear weaves so why are you so concerned about whether or not it looks real? I don't get it. Again you assume that all white women's weaves match so perfectly, but a few years ago, on America's Next Top Model, a hairstylist took out a white's girls weave because it looked too fake and gave her a better one. So no, all white women do NOT get their hair perfectly matched.
My hair is long, but sometimes I will get a weave to make it fuller for certain styles, a roller set for example, because I want to, not because I have to, and there are so many more like me. I'm not one who thinks because I have long, fine hair, that that makes me better than women who have short hairs and must wear a weave. If it looks good, who cares where the damn hair comes from???? And any woman who is all up in another woman's hair all like that has got other issues she needs to deal with!
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Renata, I'm not being facetous or funny, but I really would like to know why women who don't wear weaves care so much about them...
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LOL...I'm a minimalist who's trying to GET RID OF furniture and I don't wear fake hair or eat chinese food, so it's almost like I'm boycotting them already.

If you want really good quality furniture that looks different and should last a long time, wooden furniture from Indonesia and Malaysia is beautiful. I've seen large kitchen tables carved out of one piece of solid wood from those countries.

Enough black women cut their hair short, the issue is finding someone willing to want to buy it. I cut two inches off about a month ago, and I swear I'm getting sick of this hair and I'm seriously considering cutting it short again.
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A_womon, what I care about is having our daughters grow up being proud of what they have and feeling that what they have is beautiful. What I care about is having our daughters being so proud of their own qualities, that they don't feel the need to buy hair FROM OTHER RACES and REFUSE to wear the hair of women who look like themselves, gave birth to them, and who they will ultimately give birth to again. This is why this pisses me off.

What I care about is women who have locs or short afro hair and having it assumed that she doesn't care about grooming because she didn't relax her hair straight or let it grow past her shoulders.

What I care about is girls who have parents choose to straighten their hair before their old enough to know how to groom their hair in its natural state, which basically is just making her a customer (or slave) to the Asian hair market because now she NEEDS hair she's USED to dealing with.

Seriously, if a woman were to change it so much and in her various styles she could at least include HER OWN HAIR texture once or twice, I wouldn't find such a big deal with it. But when she can only find beauty in Asian or Caucasian hair, and she can't stand to go more than a month with a relaxer it sickens me. Change is OK.....the problem with us is that we only want to change in one predictable direction.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But how can you say that women change in one predictable direction, when you yourself said that angie stone wears an afro weave? Surely she can't be the only one? I know no one would make that type of weave if it wasn't selling well...

Anyway, it is what it is...women have been straightening thier hair and thier kids hair for years, before weaves became popular and I bet they will still be doing it long after both of us cease to care about any of it
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Women like Angie Stone are in the minority.

As for older women, it's not such a big deal to me. I would wish they would leave their kids hair alone so the girls can choose for themselves when they get older. I do thank my mother for never relaxing my hair. I actually style natural hair better than relaxed hair, which is why it's not such a big deal for me to cut it every few years. It also grows faster when it's natural.


If you can't get the gravity of having young girls know how to style Asian/caucasian hair better than they can style their own hair, or having them WANT and LIKE other people's hair MORE than they want and like their own hair and what this means in how they see themselves in relation to how they see women of other races, I can't explain it much more.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:29 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's not that I can't get the gravity of having our young girls love themselves more than images of other races, I definitely do! I just know that getting them to love themselves goes wayyyyyyyyy beyond hair or hair weaves. It goes to self image on the inside first. They have to love who they are inside, then all of the outer superficial stuff will fall into place and they will not become their hair, their clothes, their physical characteristics. How they feel inside will be reflected in the strength of their character, not any accesories...
So I'm not knocking your idea, just the focus of it.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And to add to that, if we wanted OUR hair as much as we want Asian hair, we could probably share in the profits of the billion dollar hair market that we only finance but don't benefit from. HELLO?

Or at the very least, save a lot of money that we could use on other things in our communities.

Do you know what natural hair needs every day to look good? Shampoo, conditioner, hair gel, shea butter and/or aloe. And when it's short, it doesn't even need shea or aloe because it doesn't dry out as much. No 60.00 every month for a relaxer touchup, another 30.00 (or more) for a weekly style, extra for the extensions, and extra for the products to keep it looking that way.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A_womon.....how do young girls get to loving what's on the inside when they're so preoccupied with changing what's on the outside?

People our age can see all of that. Young girls and boys are superficial due to their immaturity, and the first thing we do as soon as they're old enough to pay attention to what they see in the mirror is to tell them to change it?

It doesn't even make sense. For a 20 year old woman, it may make sense. But if you're getting a 5 year old girl's hair relaxed and telling her you're making it BETTER, that STICKS with her throughout life. Never even mind that what MOTHER tells children is like the voice of god.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Renata, we could sure use more parents with your mentality. Your 05:00 post makes the most sense. Some of the reasons given are valid...like those with chronic illnesses, for example. But most of the excuses are completely insane.
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As for versatility, the entire reason I don't get my hair relaxed straight anymore has nothing to do with politics or anything. It's not VERSATILE enough.

Straight hair just hangs flat and does nothing and doesn't even have body or hold a curl. Natural hair can be worn as an afro, or blow dried straight and when it's straight it has body, and then there are twists and twist-outs that look just like locs (without the permanence). And curls on natural hair last at least a week longer than on relaxed hair. Now there's versatility.
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I can't speak from a parent's point of view, as I'm not married yet nor do I have children.

I don't expect to relax my childs hair at age five, that seems way too young for my tastes. But I'm not going to say that I won't relax her hair EVER,if I have a girl, until that time comes.

I just know that I am going to do my best to talk to my child and read to them and project positive images in front of them until hopefully, when the time comes they will know they are more than what is reflected back at them in a mirror.
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As I said earlier, I can see what ABM was saying, even if I don't completely agree with him.

You want to berate these people for saying this about us on furniture....and then we go right back to them and ask them for their hair?

You don't think they say "let's cut our hair for the niggers" when they're going to sell it?
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Well, a_womon, that sounds all good and well. Just remember that children do what you DO, not what you say.

You can tell them all you want that they're beautiful, but I promise you what they're going to remember more is your sitting in the salon with them to make their hair "better", "prettier", "more manageable", etc.
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A_womon,

I repeat: White non-White women are weaving afro puffs into their heads with the frequency by which sistas are weaving straightened hair into there's, hit me up. Until then, I'm afraid we're having to very DIFFERENT discussions, babes.


Jmho,

I don't equate shaving one's head with applying dangerous lyes, +200 degree heat straightening and attaching other foks hair to one's head.

I don't think all fake hair is made equal. I believe the reasons, the frequency by which one does such factors into the issue.

If on occassion, a woman wears hair extensions or perms her hair, that's cool. You're just styling. And certainly someone donning a wig after she's lost her hair via chemotherapy is a perfectly appropriate things to do.

Coloring and dyeing is cool too. Again. It's not so much what you do but the MANIA by which you do such. I mean, I think there's something wierd about some women having not seen their natural hair color since the Reagan Administration.

But if you're a Black woman who's deftly afraid to leave your home sans some straighten hair atop your head (And we BOTH know PLENTY of Black women to think like that.) then you've got some unresolved N*gger mentality going on there.

But, to be fair, I make this offering: When Black men are wearing toupees with the frequency that Black women are donning some poor Korean woman's hair, I'll be amongst the first to read the riot act at those brothas.

K?


Urban_scribe,

As I said to Jmho, if it were just a matter of sistas changing up styles, that would be cool. But when the vast majority of times the hair atop a sistas head - be it naturally her's or someone else's - is STRAIGHT that's an expression of a lot MORE than just styling.


Jackie,

Why SHOULDN'T there be more Black women styling their hair like Angie Stone's? It looks absolutely BEAUTIFUL on her. And would likely look just as good or even better on MOST other Black women, including the sista featured in the article you posted.


Renata,

Can you imagine any OTHER women buying and wearing the hair of OTHER women to the degree and frequency of Black women such that $100 millions are being earned eventhough Blacks have almost NO ownership/participation in the distribution and sell of said hair?

Can you imagine any OTHER women vehemently defending their doing such?

See. That's what I mean about N*gger mentality. Foks want to trip on the terminology. You can call it whatever you want to. But it is what it IS.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can definitely say that I would never relax my daughter's hair if I ever have one. I've always been one of those types who LOVE combing girls' hair and basically "playing" in it. When my niece lived with me, she never wore her hair the same two days in a row! I can't wait to get a daughter! Plus, relaxed hair seems so fragile that I'm afraid I'll break it if I brush it too much.

(I changed it every day because I did it at night and wrapped it up and I figured if the scarf came off and messed her hair up at least it would look so different from the day before that people would know that something had been done to it.)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 06:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puleeze. ABM's whole response is nothing more than a complaint, because there is no consensus as to what a "n i g g er" is. Implicit in his argument is his personal definition of what a n i g g e r is and this reduces his rebuttal to little more than a petulant opinion.
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Actually, Jackie, Angie Stone is what changed my mind about weaves! That chick had a stylist who knew what she was DOING!

ABM, I seriously hope we SOMEDAY (probably won't happen soon) find our own hair beautiful enough to buy and sell. Then we can tell everyone else we don't NEED their hair to look good and won't look like FOOLS getting pissy that they called us nig-ger, but showing up to buy their hair every day and make THEM rich anyway.

And ladies, if you wear your hair straight, black women with relaxed hair cut their hair all the time. Put some money in their pockets.

It should tell us something that when long caucasian and asian hair gets cut, it's valuable enough to get SOLD....and when long black hair gets cut, it's GARBAGE.
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think there's something wierd about some women having not seen their natural hair color since the Reagan Administration...

HAHAHAHHAHAA!! You have someone specific in mind ABM???
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ABM = ANHHD (A NAPPY HEADED HO DADDY)

The niggerr is backpedalling and trying to baffle us with bullshit in the hopes we'll forget that he thinks Black women with weaves aren't entitled to the CIVIL and HUMAN RIGHTS afforded the rest of civilization.

PUNK ASS BEOTCH!!!


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This has been fascinating....but.....I have to go to my other discussion board.

We're discussing ghosts who sell laughter on the astral plane!!!!

Now THAT'S an interesting topic!!!

LOL....I'm not even going to sugar-coat it: I AM A DORK!

I'm fine with that...... ^_^
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And the more ABM tries to set himself up as an authority on the psyche of black women, and the more he tries to appoint himself as the arbitrator of what constitutes "niggerdom", the more foolish he sounds. He apparently is under the impression that black women have to justify their hair-wear to the likes of him. How misguided and deluded can a guy get?
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Uh huh. Next thing you know he'll be trying to convince us he fukced Bin Laden.
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"When Black men are wearing toupees with the frequency that Black women are donning some poor Korean woman's hair, I'll be amongst the first to read the riot act at those brothas. "

you don't remember the temptations and all those old 50 and 60s black male groups who used to relax/wave/curl the heck outta their hair? back in those days black men were putting just as much chemicals in their scalp as the women. even to this day, black men still relax their hair, and get texturizes so that it will look loose and fine.
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ABM..I am so disappointed in your rant. I was a hair designer back in the 70's and we applied hair weaves for black and white women. Some women had them for vanity and the like but the majority had real hair issues. Balding, thining or even chemo treatment. Dont hate..
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I don't equate shaving one's head with applying dangerous lyes, +200 degree heat straightening and attaching other foks hair to one's head.

The point is you're changing or altering what's natural.

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I don't think all fake hair is made equal. I believe the reasons, the frequency by which one does such factors into the issue.

Why isn't all fake hair made equal? What are the differences? Maybe some folks don't have the time or money to something as often as others, the but the fact remains, they are doing the exact same thing, thus one is not better than the other.

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If on occassion, a woman wears hair extensions or perms her hair, that's cool. You're just styling. And certainly someone donning a wig after she's lost her hair via chemotherapy is a perfectly appropriate things to do.

How often is on occasion? How often is on occasion, where it makes a difference? Or deemed acceptable?

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Coloring and dyeing is cool too.

Again, you are changing your natural color. Which has been the argument. I can't believe you think that the chemicals in straighten one's hair are dangerous but the chemicals in dye are not.

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Again. It's not so much what you do but the MANIA by which you do such. I mean, I think there's something wierd about some women having not seen their natural hair color since the Reagan Administration.


And, what about the men who haven't seen their natural hair color in eons? There are so many old men who don't have a strand of gray hair, and you know they dye it. Where is your disdain for them? There are some Black men who get up EVERY morning to disguise that balding. Now that certainly is some MANIA going on.

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But if you're a Black woman who's deftly afraid to leave your home sans some straighten hair atop your head (And we BOTH know PLENTY of Black women to think like that.) then you've got some unresolved N*gger mentality going on there.

And, don't you think if a Black man who deftly afraid to leave your home sand some hair color or shave their head daily. to hide that balding, that you've got some unresolved N*igger mentality going on there. Agree? As we BOTH know PLENTY of Black men that do both.

And all this talk about women who wear weave, why do so many Black men like women with 'long, straight and silky' hair? Do they have N*gger mentality going on there too? Men are just as obsessed with hair as women -- their own and womens.
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Ladies,

Donning straightened, colored styles is cool. As is wearing wigs or hair pieces, especially where injury or illness results in one losing one's hair. It's when one has plenty of one's own natural hair elects to EXCLUSIVELY, ALWAYS wears straighten hair - especially that grown in the heads of other human beings or via some synthetic processing plant - where one is exhibiting a manifestation of N*gger mentality.

And it was N*gger when Black men were perming and pressing too. Glad we've stopped doing most of that stuff (And I wish you New Yorkers could convince Al Sharpton of how ridiculously contradictory what he does with his hair is.). What's one of the first things Malcolm X did to symbolize his evolving from having an enslaved mind: He STOPPED conking his hair!

I'm not attempting to slam Black women. Not at all. Like Renata, I'm trying to promote a mentality that permits Black women to be more proud of their NATURAL beauty. I have 2 young daughters. I want them to be every bit as proud of how their hair looks as any other woman might be. And I DON'T want them to feel compelled to spend the rest of their lives spending as much as FIVE times what everyone else spends to convince themselves they look good.

I expect many to not understand and appreciate what I've posted here. But I'm okay with wanting sistas to love and embrace more of their natural selves, even if in the process of doing such I got to piss off a few of you.


Renata,

Renata: "Change is OK.....the problem with us is that we only want to change in one predictable direction."

Alas, I concur.

Renata: You want to berate these people for saying this about us on furniture....and then we go right back to them and ask them for their hair? You don't think they say "let's cut our hair for the niggers" when they're going to sell it?

You may have heard or read one of the tactics of the Korean beauty and haircare distributors/producers is to text all of their trade publications and guides in Korean. Why? To try to prevent Black and other non-Korean entrepreneurs from discerning what they're saying and doing.

Renata: "It should tell us something that when long caucasian and asian hair gets cut, it's valuable enough to get SOLD....and when long black hair gets cut, it's GARBAGE."

Dayam, chile. I think I might be falling in love. :-)


A_womon,

I think we could accurately predict who's doing most of the N*gger conking around here.

Hahahahahahaha!!!
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Jmho: The point is you're changing or altering what's natural.

We're just going to continue to disagree about equating one shaving one's head with attaching other foks hair to one's head.


Jmho: Why isn't all fake hair made equal? What are the differences? Maybe some folks don't have the time or money to something as often as others, the but the fact remains, they are doing the exact same thing, thus one is not better than the other.

I disagree they're all the same. And all meaningful stats on the subject assert that Black women as a whole spend a good deal MORE money and time than do other foks styling their hair.


Jmho: How often is on occasion? How often is on occasion, where it makes a difference? Or deemed acceptable?

If MOST (+50%) of the time you're straightening and extensioning your hair, you're exhibiting a manifestation of N*gger mentality.


Jmho: Again, you are changing your natural color. Which has been the argument. I can't believe you think that the chemicals in straighten one's hair are dangerous but the chemicals in dye are not.

It's like most other things we do, it can be harmful BUT we might be okay with doing such if it's done in MODERATION (e.g., drinking alcohol, eating sweets, pornography, etc.). AGAIN, I don't have issue an with women changing their hair styles. It's when they almost exclusively pattern such in a way that's more akin to that of non-Blacks that I find problematic. And the potential health effects of perming/coloring one's hair ONCE a year is likely quite different from that of perming/coloring +FOUR times a year.


Jmho: And, what about the men who haven't seen their natural hair color in eons? There are so many old men who don't have a strand of gray hair, and you know they dye it. Where is your disdain for them? There are some Black men who get up EVERY morning to disguise that balding. Now that certainly is some MANIA going on.

I find it ridiculously vain of older Black men to dye and toupee their hair and head. I don't, however, think there are anywhere NEAR the number of older men doing such as they're are Black females of ALL ages straightening and extensioning their hair. Nor do I consider they're dyeing and toupeeing their hair to be N*gger in nature. Unless, of course, they're dyeing and toupeeing with STRAIGHT BLOND hair.


Jmho: And, don't you think if a Black man who deftly afraid to leave your home sand some hair color or shave their head daily. to hide that balding, that you've got some unresolved N*igger mentality going on there. Agree? As we BOTH know PLENTY of Black men that do both...And all this talk about women who wear weave, why do so many Black men like women with 'long, straight and silky' hair? Do they have N*gger mentality going on there too? Men are just as obsessed with hair as women -- their own and womens.

I think I've already address part of this above. But I EMPHATICALLY assert it's every bit as N*gger of Black men to expect Black women to straighten and extension their hair as it is for Black women to engage in such. And I would just as vigorously argue that.
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ANHHD = POT. KETTLE. NIGGERR.








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Yes Abm, I perm my hair, but not as often as you may think AND I'm not apologizing to anyone for doing it! I've worn tight curls, and roller sets too, and believe me those styles don't make me feel any blacker wearing them than the straight styles do. Believe that! It's my hair and ain't one man outside of this board EVER complained about how my hair looks or feels--no women either for that matter. I get compliments, it feels right TO ME! and that's all I care about really. To each his/her own and I OWN my choices and will continue to style any way I see fit
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A_womon,

What's interesting is that Black women feel free to express their views about WHATEVER a Black man think, says and does. But when a Black man mentions mentions his views about how you beautify yourselves, you get all Ain't NO nikka gonna be telling me nuthin!!!" on him.

You're right. It's you hair to do with as you will. Just as it's my right to express my view of what you (and ANYBODY else) does.

That there's AMERICA talking right back atcha, babe.
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ANHHD = Moron. This is NOT about you expressing your ass backwards views. This is about your RACIST SEXIST DIMWITTED WANNABE UPPITY ASS stating that a BLACK woman has NO RIGHTS because of the way she styles her HAIR. SORRY MOTHER FUKCER.

Trying to sugarcoat your stank shit by calling people babe. RACIST SEXIST PIECE OF SHIT PIG!!!

NAZI OREO!!!


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LOL....I seriously don't know where you women are picking up men who DYE their hair. That's a sign to me of real prissy ass BYTCH man.

I really don't mean to debunk your theories, because I believe there are men who dye their hair. I just seriously have never met one. I don't even know white guys with long hair who have ever touched a bottle of hair dye.

Maybe it's that new "metrosexual" stuff the younger guys are doing. You know, the same guys who are wearing earrings, cornrows, and pink sweaters. Now that I think about it, they may be doing a FEW things to their hair. Ew.
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I do remember my brother in law visiting a few months ago.

He actually asked me if I had some hairgel and/or hairspray he could borrow because he didn't have any.

I told him that I did have some hairspray he could use....and some lipgloss, too, but he would have to try a few of them because I wasn't sure which one was best for his skintone. I also gave him some mascara that I had never used, but he wasn't interested. LOL I don't like that prissy bytch anyways.

(I and my husband thought it was funny, but he was PISSED.)
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ABM,

I will never knock your right to express yourself you have a right to feel and say whatever you like.

Where it gets to me is when you try to make your opinion the only one or make mine less valid than yours---it's not! Opinions and Truth are two entirely different things and when any of us try to make personal opinions into facts of life or panaceas for the entire culture--well that's when we've crossed the line
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Abm wrote:
And it was N*gger when Black men were perming and pressing too. Glad we've stopped doing most of that stuff (And I wish you New Yorkers could convince Al Sharpton of how ridiculously contradictory what he does with his hair is.). What's one of the first things Malcolm X did to symbolize his evolving from having an enslaved mind: He STOPPED conking his hair!

Abm, if you believe that men have stopped putting chemicals in their hair, you are sadly mistakenly or choosing to not acknowledge that men are obsessed with their own hair. There are so many things that folks do that notes an 'enslaved mindset' but women's straightened hair always lead the list and get all the focus. As noted, by others, there are some who are sporting natural hair, yet are still have an enslaved mindset. I just trying to understand yours (and others) overly concern and criticism of Black women and their hair, when they don't wear in the manner and/or style as you think they should or that you like or approve.

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But I'm okay with wanting sistas to love and embrace more of their natural selves,

Just where is your same concern for brothas to love and embrace more of their natural selves? What's up with this selectivity? What about women who hair is natural, but they have on (layers of) make-up and (3 inch) false fingernails and polish (that’s not natural and certainly can be harmful)? Do they love and embrace their natural selves? There are Black men who are walking around and have inked up nearly every inch of their skin, where is this same intense concern about them loving and embracing their natural selves? Or the health concern for their skin? Or that man who has this bald spot, in the middle of his head, or receding hairline, why should he feel the need to take time and get up in the mornings, and shave his head of the rest of the hair on this head, instead of just loving and embracing his natural self? Why are Black women asked and expected to love and embrace their natural selves (as dictated and demanded by Black men) yet Black men are not? This thinking and expectation is the ultimate display of paternalism, and dare I say, being N*gger.

I previously asked: Why isn't all fake hair made equal? What are the differences? Maybe some folks don't have the time or money to something as often as others, the but the fact remains, they are doing the exact same thing, thus one is not better than the other.

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I disagree they're all the same.

Again, I ask, why isn't all fake hair made or seen to be equal, in your estimation? And, again, what are the differences? Please be specific so others can what are the differences that you are speaking about. Just saying they're not the same, doesn't give any insight or explanations.

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And all meaningful stats on the subject assert that Black women as a whole spend a good deal MORE money and time than do other folks styling their hair.

Just as perming and coloring takes time and money, so does braiding and locing one's hair. And, as I mentioned you don't seem to concerned that folks are putting in fake on fake afros, in fake braids and locs. But, oh I forgot, you don't see all fake hair as fake. Some are more faker than others, I suppose. LOL Geez. This sounds like some N*gger logic.

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If MOST (+50%) of the time you're straightening and extensioning your hair, you're exhibiting a manifestation of N*gger mentality.

There is on one on this earth who spends 50% or more of their time straightening and extending one's hair. There are 24 hours in a day, so who do you know who spend 12 or more hours a day on their hair, doing whatever? C'mon Abm, this is beyond exaggeration, it's being ridiculous.

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It's like most other things we do, it can be harmful BUT we might be okay with doing such if it's done in MODERATION (e.g., drinking alcohol, eating sweets, pornography, etc.). AGAIN, I don't have issue an with women changing their hair styles. It's when they almost exclusively pattern such in a way that's more akin to that of non-Blacks that I find problematic. And the potential health effects of perming/coloring one's hair ONCE a year is likely quite different from that of perming/coloring +FOUR times a year.

Folks eat foods (or ingest other items, i.e., cigarettes, air, etc.) laden with chemicals and unnatural ingredients every day, and not ONCE a year, including those who don't weave, straighten and/or color their hair. And, by the way, who do you know color their hair ONCE a year?

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Nor do I consider they're dyeing and toupeeing their hair to be N*gger in nature.

Why not? If women who put on/in weaves are said to be N*gger in nature, then why aren't men who put on a toupee not N*gger in nature? What is the difference? Again, please be specific.

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Unless, of course, they're dyeing and toupeeing with STRAIGHT BLOND hair.

So are you saying now that if a woman put in natural color (her own hair coloring) weave, as a man with fake hair, then that's okay and not N*gger in nature? Which is it Abm, you keep moving the target. First, it was women who have weaves, then you were told there maybe health reasons why women wear them it became okay or acceptable, but the fact remains they still have weaved in hair, then you were asked for same condemnation of men who wear toupees, well, to you, that's different and that's okay, then added, even more so if it's the dye and their fake hair isn't straight blond. You make a general statement, but then have a gazillion acceptable exceptions, with no consistency, in rationalization.

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I think I've already address part of this above. But I EMPHATICALLY assert it's every bit as N*gger of Black men to expect Black women to straighten and extension their hair as it is for Black women to engage in such. And I would just as vigorously argue that.

Well, they do, (just skim back over the posts on the board, and see what women get all the praise for this beauty, looks, etc.) but I don't hear you address them nearly as much as you have, even in this thread alone, as you have the women. I think you might not know this, but your hypocrisy is showing loud and clear -- appearing to be N*gger in nature. :-)

If you are for sistas not wearing fake hair, not straightening their hair, etc., not being N*gger in thought and action, and for them to love and embrace their NATURAL selves, then you HAVE to feel the same for the brothas, and that includes yourself. And, you should speak out against them as equally and intensively against the black men as you do the black women, otherwise you're being ridiculously contradictory.
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Renata,

I don't know any men I KNOW who dye their hair or wear toupees and/or hairpieces. And if I did know them, I'd probably make so much fun of them they'd be compelled to stop.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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A_womon,

I've never asserted that my opinion is anymore valid than that of anyone else. What you're really bothered by is how clearly and PERSUASIVELY I argue a position that conflicts with that of yours.
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Oh Jeeze. Somebody give poor ol deluded ABM a bottle of Rogaine so he won't have to criticize women in order to make himself feel better. If that doesn't work, maybe he could grow his eyebrows long and brush them back, or even trim his beard and paste the clippings on his big head. LMAO.
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Jmho,

I have said SEVERAL times here I do NOT think that straightening, weaving and dyeing are in/of themselves N*gger. Again. I said the DEGREE, CIRCUMSTANCES and the RATIONALE by which one does such is what may or may not make such N*gger.

I’m not going to commit to asserting that ALL straightening/weaving/dyeing is N*gger because I (perhaps unlike you) do NOT think and operate amid such intellectual absolutism. What I think usually will be a function of the situation to which something occurs (e.g., my killing an innocent man is bad but my killing a man who’s attempting to harm my children is good).

This line of discussion was inspired by my initial impression upon seeing the woman in the article Jackie presented. I admit I don’t know how often that woman straightens or extends her hair. I guess I’m really lamenting how frequently Black women straighten and extend (and how lion share of the profits from such are being earned by NON-Black people) I involuntarily juxtaposed those feelings I have about that with her decrying the “N*gger Brown”.

This thing has for you turned into some sorta feministic/womanistic debate that I, respectfully, I'm not really interested in becoming mired in. Especially when it's clear it's headed in the direction of my there being fallacious arguments about how my expressing some criticism of part of what Black women do mean I'm some evil paternalist or misogynist.

The extent to which I’ve expressed my views on this subject is a function of how you and others have so vigorously debated me. I certainly did/do not intend for what I express to become some wholesale critique or indictment of Black women.

So if you want to expand/broaden the discussion to include the myriad ways in which N*ggerism manifest amongst Black MEN, I'd be quite happy to partake of such. And, to get you started, I'll even offer you a listing of what I consider to be manifestations of N*ggerism of many Black men:

@ Requiring Black women straighten and extension their hair
@ Making babies amongst many women without marrying ANY of them
@ Spending more money on the rims of their cars than they spent on the cars
@ Buying expensive automobiles while still living in their mommas' basements
@ The tendency to want to look good FIRST and then want to win second, third, or, hell, even fourth (see LOTS of this is sports)
@ Whipping their hair in styles akin to that of White women (ala Al Sharpton)
@ Most of gangsta rap
@ Not studying hard in school
@ (Though I've come to loathe the term) Black-on-Black crime. Specifically, how many Black men malevolence each other and Black women they'd never THINK of doing to Whites and other non-Blacks


Please feel free to use any of the above and/or others you have in mind to start a thread and I'll be happy to participate.
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ABM--Who says that your arguments are more persuasive than anyone ele's???? I don't feel that way. But your making that statement proves what I said about you thinking your opinion is more valid that anyone elses!!!!
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ATTN ABM AKA A NAPPY HEADED HO DADDY:

Your nappy headed ho daughters are going to grow up to be all the things that you despise - they are going to wear fake ass Korean weaves, nails, lashes and colored contacts, and they are going to offer you the opportunity to support them and their nappy headed ho illegitimate offsprings whose babydaddies drive pimp mobiles with spinner rims that cost more than the cars themselves.

And one day someone is going to take a big ol shit upon your nappy headed ho daughters, and guess what?

No one's going to give a fukc, because your nappy headed ho daughters don't deserve any CIVIL or HUMAN rights!!!

RACIST NAZI OREO BEOTCH!!!


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Ok so, ABM, I guess Serena Williams deserves/should be called a n/igger from members of her viewing audiences...because well you know, she has that weave in her hair. Her complaints can't be taken seriously.
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A_womon,

I said my comments were persuasive. I didn't say they were MORE persuasive than yours or anyone else.

I wish that you, Jmho and a few of the other sistas here would try to seperate your FEELINGS about what I've said to a degree that might allow you to more accurately intepret and respond to what I've ACTUALLY expressed.
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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 01:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jackie,

It would be nice if we could see Serena's natural hair every now and then. But, no, I don't think she's done ANYTHING that warrants her being called a N*gger during a tennis match.
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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 03:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I wish that you, Jmho and a few of the other sistas here would try to seperate your FEELINGS about what I've said to a degree that might allow you to more accurately intepret and respond to what I've ACTUALLY expressed."

Wow! I just perused through this thread and the wrath and bitterness is off the chart! Dang! Well, ABM it seems like you've temporarily taken my place as the most hated brother on the board. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 03:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


You can get some too dammit
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Ntfs,

Well. It ain't like I didn't expect it. I've had this same sort of heated argument with several female relatives of mine. Hell. One time, sh*t got so funky I almost had to toss a few of'em out of my house.

(Get the fuhk out and take that dead raccoon you call your hair witcha!!!!)

Hahahahahaha!!!
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What Ever ANHHD. They should have cut your RACIST NAZI OREO BEOTCH ASS INTO CHUNKS and stuffed you down the DISPOSER LIKE THE PIECE OF GARBAGE THAT YOU ARE.


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"Get the fuhk out and take that dead raccoon you call your hair witcha!!!!"

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I got it. I feel the same. I guess everyone has a spin and personal opinion about this. But some people take it very personal. I've gotten into similar skirmishes. Whatcha gonna do?

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Ntfs,

The key is to not b*tchout like sistas these days expect brothas to.

You know what I mean, you say something they disagree with and you're immediately deemed a misogynist, chavuanist, gay, hell some will even jump bad enuff to call you a frickin' REPUBLICAN. Then brothas nutsack starts crawling up their abdomen and sh*t.

But if you can stick and move like Ali, you can keep'em off balance long enuff to deliver a knockout punch.

Right Tonya???

Hahahahahaha!!!
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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 04:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Btw: Is it wrong for me to ask what tint of Brown is N*gger?
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The same tint as your wife and daughters. RACIST NAZI OREO BEOTCH!!!
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Abm wrote:
I have said SEVERAL times here I do NOT think that straightening, weaving and dyeing are in/of themselves N*gger. Again. I said the DEGREE, CIRCUMSTANCES and the RATIONALE by which one does such is what may or may not make such N*gger.

And, since you don't know the DEGREE, CIRCUMSTANCES and the RATIONALE, by which one does anything, then how can beginning to suggest or imply such as N*gger in nature. It's seem very inconsistent, which to me, begs to question the sincerity and seriousness of what you're saying.

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I’m not going to commit to asserting that ALL straightening/weaving/dyeing is N*gger because I (perhaps unlike you) do NOT think and operate amid such intellectual absolutism.

But, you didn't say initially, IF this woman, has a health issue, or IF she has this fake hair 'on occasion', instead of most of the time (+50%), or if she got her hair from a Black owned company, then I can overlook or excuse all that fake hair on her head, and thus take her pleas of racism seriously. See how incredulous this sounds/reads.

NOW you admit that you know don't if that's fake hair or not, and if it is, how often she wears it. As asked, by others, several times, what does one's style of hair has to do with a specific racial incident. This implies that you think that only those with natural hair can make legitmate claims of racism and should be taken seriously.

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This line of discussion was inspired by my initial impression upon seeing the woman in the article Jackie presented. I admit I don’t know how often that woman straightens or extends her hair. I guess I’m really lamenting how frequently Black women straighten and extend (and how lion share of the profits from such are being earned by NON-Black people) I involuntarily juxtaposed those feelings I have about that with her decrying the “N*gger Brown”.

And, the juxtaposition is misplaced. Now you saying it's the frequency and a money profit issue, but again, men who wear toupees wear them daily, so they there is great frequency, in wearing of fake hair, by males and I doubt those companies that produce that fake hair, for that Black man, were owned and operated by Black people. Thus, Black men definitely buy items, of which the lion share of profits, form such are being earned by NON-Black people. I'd venture further, and say you partake in a lot of activities, interests, and have items in your home of which the same could be said. Does that make your behavior, actions and mindset N*gger in nature?

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This thing has for you turned into some sorta feministic/womanistic debate that I, respectfully, I'm not really interested in becoming mired in.

How soon they (conveniently) forgot, it was YOU made it into some sort of feministic/womanistic debate, when the article was posted about this family buying a sofa, of which a tag was included a ridiculous description of the sofa's color, and then part of your first comment was:
@ It's difficult to take her pleas of racism seriously with all that fake hair on her head.

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Especially when it's clear it's headed in the direction of my there being fallacious arguments about how my expressing some criticism of part of what Black women do mean I'm some evil paternalist or misogynist.

Well, if you had included in your diatribes, about all the fake hair that Black men wear, all the coloring of their hair, and all other N*gger things they do, then certainly such charges against you couldn't have been made. But I must tell your own statements and opinions are doing a very good job of showing or proving you to be paternalist or misogynist. You're doing that all by yourself.


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So if you want to expand/broaden the discussion to include the myriad ways in which N*ggerism manifest amongst Black MEN, I'd be quite happy to partake of such. And, to get you started, I'll even offer you a listing of what I consider to be manifestations of N*ggerism of many Black men:

Why can't YOU expand or broaden the discussion, just as you started and expanded this one, to what you consider to be manifestations of N*ggerism of many Black women, when the original article was posted about a purchase of a sofa, and the tag enclosed. You had that opportunity but you knew you were not going take advantage of it.
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Tsk...tsk...tsk.....See what you've done ABM? Your pointed stick in the eye ball comments about weaves and wigs has gotten you in the ultimate sista gurl dog house fo' sho'!! I guess you've learned a lesson and won't insult fake hair again. Now if you apologize, the hate might go away. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Shut up NT. This isn't about ANHHD's rants against weaves, this is about him saying that the victim in the article above deserves whatever she has coming or doesn't have any rights because of her hair. As if he knows how a woman in Canada styles her hair anyway. And if you don't want to get cussed out today, you need to stop cracking your tired lame ass jokes.


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Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 05:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM ain't in the dog house with me. Just as JMHO writes, the post was about a family that ordered furniture and attached to it was a racial slur. Nothing more and nothing less.

Especially good point JMHO:"How soon they (conveniently) forgot, it was YOU made it into some sort of feministic/womanistic debate, when the article was posted about this family buying a sofa, of which a tag was included a ridiculous description of the sofa's color, and then part of your first comment was:
@ It's difficult to take her pleas of racism seriously with all that fake hair on her head."

JMHO are you male ?



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"Well, if you had included in your diatribes, about all the fake hair that Black men wear,..."

Black men (as a group) wearing fake hair???? Where is this happening?? I must admit I have not seen black men (as a group) wearing fake hair. Details please.....

"...all the coloring of their hair,.."

Coloring of their hair..????!!! What colors might this be? And where do you live??? Just curious.....

"...and all other N*gger things they do,.."

Well....ummm....ok. Good point.......

".....then certainly such charges against you couldn't have been made. But I must tell your own statements and opinions are doing a very good job of showing or proving you to be paternalist or misogynist."

Nawwwww....some of you are taking this far too serious and personal. The brother was just playin'. Dang! No one seems to have a sense of humor. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Some Black men get weaves (or whatever) to hide their bald spots. Some Black men use Grecian Formula to get rid of the gray. And ANHHD is a RACIST NAZI OREO BEOTCH!!!


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Weaves? OMG!!!

Any man with a weave is probably a shake of his ass away from eloping to Hawaii with the pool boy anyways.
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It's just to cover their bald spots, it has nothing to do with their sexual preference.


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A man putting a weave OR a toupee on for ANY reason is some Prissyass behavior. If he's THAT concerned with his hair....I'm sorry...that's just prissyass stuff.

I mean, if he wants to be gay, he should just say so. Any man I see wearing a WEAVE had better either be designing a wedding or doing someone's hair, or he's going to get laughed at really loud.

Hell, the BALD SPOT is better looking on a man than a weave or toupee.
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Jmho,

I have with a few posts provided what I believe are the more appropriate DEGREE, CIRCUMSTANCES and the RATIONALE for straightening and weaving. I've already admitted to not knowing the degree to which this dons weaved hair. And if she does such to cover some medical issue, as I've already said, I'm more empathetic to that.

Until you can provide any valid support that Black men straighten and toupee with any where near the frequency and expense (say 20%) that Black women do, I will NOT accept that as a valid rebut to what I've presented here.

Hell. I could go a year without ever seeing a brotha wearing a toupee (and I reside in the nation's 3rd most populated metropolitan area). But I doubt I could go a single day at my local grocer without seeing some sista with some korean or synthetic hair sprawled atop her head.

And 90% of the hair I see on Black women is STRAIGHTENED.

I agree the couch should not be labeled "N*gger Brown" and that wearing hair extensions does not mean one should be demeaned.

Still. I believe EXCLUSIVELY, ALWAYS straightening and weaving one's hair is N*gger.
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Then ABM--I believe you are calling Kola N*IGGER--didn't she wear wigs and weaves??????
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A_womon,

Nobody's immune from doing N*gger stuff.

Not even Kola.
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OKAY! Now I know your serious about this stuff!

HA!
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"Until you can provide any valid support that Black men straighten and toupee with any where near the frequency and expense (say 20%) that Black women do, I will NOT accept that as a valid rebut to what I've presented here."

I stated to you way way back in this thread that black dudes texturize and put waves in their hair just as much as black women striaghten and relax theirs. Have you forgotten about the 80s where just about every black man had a jheri curl??
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A_womon,

Don't try to front like Kola and I haven't gone at it.


BB123,

And I would agree that brothas were doing some N*gger sh*t that brothas were doing back then.
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It continues to amuse me that how a woman wears her hair figures into being a "n i g g e r", according to the unctuous ABM. Proceeding on his self-serving definition, the opposite of "niggerish", would then be anybody who wears their hair "natural", which is utterly ridiculous because what's on top of a woman's head is not an accurate indication of what's inside it. Let that be a lesson, Ladies. Never argue with anyone who self-defines a word in question. ABM's contentions are nothing more than his personal preferences, and aren't any more valid than the rebuttals which have exposed him as being too steeped in his egotism to realize this.
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"And I would agree that brothas were doing some N*gger sh*t that brothas were doing back then."

Okay, baby.
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A co-worker of mine saw this woman on a local television station last weekend in regards to this story. Heavens to Betsy, this woman's husband was white! Do wonders never cease? Perhaps she wears weaves or straightens her hair in order to have more in common with her husband. Maybe she didn't realize she was black until she purchased this couch. So maybe the couch served to remind her of this. Anyone interested in purchasing the London bridge? How about the Eifel Tower?
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Mony,

Mony: "A co-worker of mine saw this woman on a local television station last weekend in regards to this story. Heavens to Betsy, this woman's husband was white! Do wonders never cease? Perhaps she wears weaves or straightens her hair in order to have more in common with her husband."

Maybe the furniture company handed that label to her husband figuring he'd be intimately aware of what tone of brown they were referring to.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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The news must have been having a slow week in reporting on this. Maybe her husband can purchase one of those 'Nappy Headed Hos' 'T' shirts or Teddy Bears bearing that monniker for her in order to enhance her self-awareness. Perhaps it would send her a sublimal message in regards to how she wears her hair. Sheesh.
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Well, it seems as if the consensus among the posters is there is no relationship between so-called niggerish behavior or thinking and weaves and wigs. Hmmmmmmm......Ok....I guess this thread is done.

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Until you can provide any valid support that Black men straighten and toupee with any where near the frequency and expense (say 20%) that Black women do, I will NOT accept that as a valid rebut to what I've presented here.

Why don't YOU provide any valid support to prove the converse to true? You're the only always making claims, then asking others to prove you wrong, why not provide proof your own pronouncements.
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Jmho,

Jmho: Why don't YOU provide any valid support to prove the converse to true? You're the only always making claims, then asking others to prove you wrong, why not provide proof your own pronouncements.


See page 13 of either these links: http://www.newconceptshairgoods.com/infopage.asp?page=21
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http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:vW69cW7Vn6wJ:www.newconceptshairgoods.com/i nfopage.asp%3Fpage%3D21+%22african+american+women+spend%22+%22hair+extensions%22 +%22million%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


It will say the following: "African American women spend up to six times more on hair additions and hair replacement than any other customer, and this number continues to grow."

Since I've done no studies on the subject, I can only assume that may be at least be somewhat true. And I say somewhat because, perhaps, Black women spend, say, only 3 - 4X what other foks spend on hair extensions/replacement.

And I can only assume Black MEN are included within those who are considered to be "any other customer".


PS: I may not always be right. But I am by nature, education and experience a factualist (I'm a CPA.) So when I emphatically, repeatedly assert something that can be FACTUALLY proven, you can bet your A$$ my "pronoucements" are based on something OTHER than my own gut feelings, biases and experiences.
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Update: A Nappy Headed Ho Daddy is just as stupid today as he was on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 and on the day he was born

___________________________________
(insert your birth date here ANNHD)

Jackass!


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Woooo. Does being a CPA give one the authority to designate what constitutes a "n i g g e r"? And you'd also think a CPA would be a critical thinker, one who would question the relevance of the statistics he cites. There's a difference between purchasing hair extensions and wearing them. Most white women don't go out and buy hair extensions. They have them put in by hair salons. And since what white women don't do seems to make difference to ABM, he should be reminded that they do color their hair just as routinely as they shave the legs and they do help keep wig companies in business. ABM needs to sign off on this subject, because it's really a girl thang. What his personal preferences are don't matter to anybody but him.
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Ya'll, leave ABM alone. Can't you see he needs a healin? He's just as much a victim of sexist ideology as the rest of us prone to wear extension women folk. De devil gotta hol on'em.

*ABM, hold ya hands up to de lawd..both ya hands, now...*

Let us pray...
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"It will say the following: "African American women spend up to six times more on hair additions and hair replacement than any other customer, and this number continues to grow.""

Well.....I guess that's the end of that subject!


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Ntfs,

Not really. But I've said my peace. And, until I observe a persuasive rebut, am sticking to it.
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"Not really. But I've said my peace. And, until I observe a persuasive rebut, am sticking to it."

Understood. But you do realize your unrepentant assault of the weave and wig culture is going to drastically reduce your stock and put you down here with me in the cellar as the boards perceived black women haters. Well, let's toss a coin to see who sleeps on the couch. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Ntfs,

You can have the couch, bruh. I'm cool with sleeping the basement. Because I can lock the door from the INSIDE.

Hahahahaha!!!
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Abm wrote:
It will say the following: "African American women spend up to six times more on hair additions and hair replacement than any other customer, and this number continues to grow."

One, where did this company get it's "data" from? They make a statement, but don't offer any proof of such. There isn't a footnote or source noted on this catalog retail site.

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Since I've done no studies on the subject, I can only assume that may be at least be somewhat true. And I say somewhat because, perhaps, Black women spend, say, only 3 - 4X what other foks spend on hair extensions/replacement.

Two, from what source to make such a claim? Or is all just your opinion? Fine if that so, but it would be much better to deal in facts. I've read that AA women spend a lot on hair care but never anything about 'hair additions or replacments'.

You ask folks to disprove your statement and you still didn't prove yours.

Finally, what does this all have to do with someone wearing fake hair and their claims of racism not being taken seriously?
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Jmho,

I have no idea where the company gets it's data. I imagine for them to effectively market their products they'd have to garner good info about who's most inclined to buy what they're selling. But could they commit errors in how they obtain or present such? Sure.

I can't comment on what YOU have and haven't read on the subject.

Look. If you can provide ANYTHING beyond your own personal feelings on the subject, I'd be quite HAPPY to consider it within what I think.

But let's be honest here: It does NOT matter to you and those who think like what I present here. If I present the results of 10 government studies that supported my position, you'd be complaining about how much the government lies and distorts sh*t. Or you'd misread and misintepret it. Because when it all said and done, you have NO interest in thinking anything other than what you already think about this subject.

And I've said SEVERAL times here that the woman did not deserve to be mistreated.
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"And I've said SEVERAL times here that the woman did not deserve to be mistreated."

True. But bro, you did make unflattering comments about the weave-wig culture and that is a "sacred cow" than cannot be questioned -ever!! Hence a retaliatory torrent of unwarranted histrionics and totally over the top silly ranting (which I must say, I was extremely impressed by your mature and intelligent response to the hysterical vitriolic name calling -you completely ignored it! Brilliant!). Now, you must beg for forgiveness and start a new threat staring out with; "I'm Sorry. I Didn't Mean It. I was Wrong". Then (and only then) you might once regain your title as the "Boards Most Revered Black Man". But you must repent first. Ok.....?

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Ntfs,

I understand and accept all the hairsteria sistas have about their heads. There's LOTS of history behind that.

But like with a lot of OTHER things Black foks have done to get by (e.g., eat every part of a pig), perhaps it's time we more closely consider what we're doing to ourselves and the effects of such (e.g., e.g., high blood pressure, heart disease).

And naw, bruh. I'm gone pass on your Black female a$$kissing proposal. Hell I have to do enuff of THAT with my wife, daughters and mother.
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"I understand and accept all the hairsteria sistas have about their heads. There's LOTS of history behind that."

This is very true. It is a hyper sensitive and very emotionally explosive subject."

"But like with a lot of OTHER things Black foks have done to get by (e.g., eat every part of a pig), perhaps it's time we more closely consider what we're doing to ourselves and the effects of such (e.g., e.g., high blood pressure, heart disease)."

Yep! But Negroes are not going to give up their diet of pork chops, bacon, chitlins, ham and pork ribs for something as trivial and insignificant as high blood pressure, high cholesterol or potential cardiovascular disease. Nope. Not gonna happen!

"And naw, bruh. I'm gone pass on your Black female a$$kissing proposal."

Damn bro! You're just going to be defiant to the end aren't ya! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Ntfs: "Yep! But Negroes are not going to give up their diet of pork chops, bacon, chitlins, ham and pork ribs for something as trivial and insignificant as high blood pressure, high cholesterol or potential cardiovascular disease. Nope. Not gonna happen! "


Well, some Black foks are changing in that respect. But, point taken.
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When black men stop purchasing viagra to supplement their sexuality, then maybe a case can be made against black women who are preoccupied with enhancing their hair. Until that time, ABM and his supporters need to recognize how little merit their arguments have. yawn.
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"Abm wrote:

It will say the following: "African American women spend up to six times more on hair additions and hair replacement than any other customer, and this number continues to grow."
One, where did this company get it's "data" from? They make a statement, but don't offer any proof...........................

.........................................but it would be much better to deal in facts. I've read that AA women spend a lot on hair care but never anything about 'hair additions or replacments'.
You ask folks to disprove your statement and you still didn't prove yours. "


Probably from causal observation over an extended period of time I surmise. I have personally noticed more than half of all black women I see on a daily basis have a weave or wig. And I'm not judging these women, I'm just telling you what I see. Also, These women are not restricted to one particular dominate class, age, or geographical location. I notice it here in San Diego, in Sacramento and in Ohio. In fact, a black female friend of mine was telling me last week the current rage in Oakland is black women wearing long Gypsy type wigs/hair extensions in the form of a pony tail that falls down their backs. She told me it was the style and just about every black woman she has seen is sporting one of these Gypsy style down the back pony tails. Now, before you start foaming at the mouth and calling me names, those were her words, not mine. I don't live in Oakland so I can't confirm this but this is what she told me. And remember, she is a black woman. Why would she lie?

When I was recently in Ohio, a life time friend of mine, who is a black woman, was very critical of weaves/wigs. The subject came up between her and her niece (who is sporting a new down the back weave) and how many black women were wearing fake hair. Her niece just laughed, said she didn’t care how fake it looked and was wearing the weave "because she did not have time to groom her natural hair and the weave was a convenience" (her exact words). That was that. My friend said contemporary black women were lazy and preferred wigs/weaves vice taking the time to groom and manage their hair. Once again, before you start ranting and calling me names, this conversation was between two black women –I had nothing to do with it. I just listened.

Bottom line is it is a personal choice and black women have the right to make the choice. I don’t personally care for it, but I don’t harshly judge a woman for wearing one.



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Abm wrote:
Look. If you can provide ANYTHING beyond your own personal feelings on the subject, I'd be quite HAPPY to consider it within what I think.

Again, it YOU who made a claim, based on what you've seen with your eyes, and then posted a paragraph from an online category of a retail site which you offered up as proof to validate your opinion. So, maybe it's you who should provide something beyond an ad. Remember you made the claim, and then ask for others to disprove, though you still haven't proven a time. Sorry, but I ain't falling for this silly ploy.

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But let's be honest here: It does NOT matter to you and those who think like what I present here. If I present the results of 10 government studies that supported my position, you'd be complaining about how much the government lies and distorts sh*t. Or you'd misread and misintepret it. Because when it all said and done, you have NO interest in thinking anything other than what you already think about this subject.

ROFL, that is really funny because it seems you have NO interest in thinking anything other than what you already think about this subject. IF, bullfrogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their behinds, but they don't. So, I know you can't even present ONE government study, and I doubt anything else for that marter, to prove anything you've written. As well, you have no idea of what I would say, if you did present such, cause you know you can't. What a cop-out. You don't have a clue as to who spends what, on fake hair.
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Nigga Brown, Nigga Black. Yada Yada Yada. So what!
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Jmho,

Do I think African women straighten and extension more than others do? Yes. That's based on what I see, hear and read. Am I prepared to emphatically assert STATISTICS that support the DEGREE to which that occurs. No.

I can post other links to claims of how Black women spend so much more straightening and extensioning. But I can’t prove the veracity of what’s being presented.

And the extent to which Black women (or men) does such is debatable and difficult to prove mostly because so much of all the straightening and extensioning involves private and foreign enterprises who are not required to be as forthcoming about what they do.

So if you’re going to argue that Black women are no more inclined to straighten and weave than other women, at this point, I’m just going to disagree with you and go no further with this.


Now. Do you think it's n*gger of Black foks to perpetually straighten, extension and style their hair to appear less African? If you say “No” then, again, I’m just going to disagree with you and go no further with this.
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"When black men stop purchasing viagra to supplement their sexuality, then maybe a case can be made against black women who are preoccupied with enhancing their hair."

Uhhhhhhh......I don't think you want to use that analogy Ms. Cynique. The majority of black men do not use Viagra. If you took a random sampling of 1 million black men (of all age groups) from 50 states, I don't think more than 51% would be using an impotency drug. First of all, I believe you have to have a medical prescription to get it. It is not an over the counter drug. And yes, there are ways of getting it without a prescription, I'm sure of that. But to compare black mens (as group) usage of Viagra to that black women (as group) wearing weaves and wigs is somewhat of a stretch. Viagra has been around for about ten years. Black women were wearing weaves/wigs much longer than that. So what would you have said in 1997? Please remember, black men do not drive the market nor were impotency drugs created for black men. I'm sure there are those who use it, no doubt, but they certainly are not the majority. So the comparison of numbers between black men using Viagra and black women wearing weaves/wigs is not a good one. Sorry.

As many of you know, it is not uncommon to see Korean weave/wig stores in the black community (there are plenty here in San Diego!). I see it here all the time in SoCal and I saw it in Ohio. Guess who their biggest customers are? I'm not suggesting that all black women get their weaves/wigs from Koreans but they are making a financial killing with black women. There is a Star Bucks coffee shop not far from where I live and there is a Korean weave/wig store across the street. When I sit out side Star Bucks with a java and newspaper, I always chuckle when I look across the street an see a stream of black women coming and going. As I have stated before, I'm not judging them, I'm just telling you what I see every single day. I have no reason to make something up that does not exist.

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Ntfs,

I've never even been in the presense of ANY form of penile enhancement products, much less actually considered USING them. And the day I need to use any of that stuff to get an erection is probably the day I hang up the trusty Roscoe and call it a career on my gunslinging.

I love p*ssy. But it ain't so important to me that I'll risk getting a heart attack or blindness from using Viagra.

The comparison of Black men using Viagra to Black women straightening and extensioning does NOT deserve the response you've presented here.
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You don't know whether the majority of black men use viagra or not NTFS. The point is, is that when you get into the area of what people do and for what reason, nobody has the right to cast asperions about what they presume is the motivation of the people they criticize. To label it "niggerish" when black women do to their hair what women of all other races do, is ridiculous. And when it comes to "statistics" I again remind that it should be taken into consideration that everybody who gets hair extension doesn't go out and personally purchase them. Women who can afford it, more of whom are white than black, don't buy fake hair. They have extensions put in by experts at hair salons. And you should also consider that white women, who seem to be what you critics are measuring black women by, routinely enhance the color of their hair and there are very few natural blonds out there. This is all about a woman's vanity. If disdainful black men have a problem with what black women do to their hair then that's their personal problem and they should just go on to the drug store and purchase whatever it is they use to make their black facial hair easier to shave and STFU.
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”You don't know whether the majority of black men use Viagra or not NTFS.”

Ummmm…..I'm surprised to hear you say that Ms. Cynique. Coming from some other embittered board dissidents I could see it but not from you. If you are willing to entertain the possibility that the majority of black men (51% or more) are using Viagra based on whatever, -Fine! Tell ya what….let's do this; Once again, If you believe there is sufficient information to suspect the majority of black males (of all age groups -18 and above) are using Viagra -Fine! If you believe there is no information that suggests the majority of black males are using Viagra -Fine! If you don't know or care or believe the majority of black males are using Viagra -Fine! I'm not going to waste your time nor mine debating this. It would similar to me saying," You don't know whether the majority of black women have Chlamydia” (not that I do) and asking you to prove that they do not. Not going there. It’s ridiculous. So let’s move on…….

”The point is, is that when you get into the area of what people do and for what reason, nobody has the right to cast aspersions about what they presume is the motivation of the people they criticize.”

Ok. I have no problems with that. But I have not cast dispersion on anyone pertaining to this subject.

”To label it "niggerish" when black women do to their hair what women of all other races do, is ridiculous.”

I never used that word nor did I make such an accusation.

”And when it comes to "statistics" I again remind that it should be taken into consideration that everybody who gets hair extension doesn't go out and personally purchase them. Women who can afford it, more of whom are white than black, don't buy fake hair. They have extensions put in by experts at hair salons.”

Ok. I have not problems with that also. But it nevertheless, it does not negate that fact that the Korean weave/wig shops are making a mint from black women. Again, I’m not judging it but because you may disagree with the tone or the subject does not make it not true.

”And you should also consider that white women, who seem to be what you critics are measuring black women by,……”

I’m not judging black women by the aesthetics of white women. And I never suggested such a comparison.

”……. routinely enhance the color of their hair and there are very few natural blonds out there.”

True…true……

”If disdainful black men have a problem with what black women do to their hair then that's their personal problem……..”

Uhhhhhh…..How would someone wearing fake hair be my problem?? I don’t think so. That’s funny. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I personally don’t deal with such matters so they can do whatever they want as far as I’m concerned. I’ve been very clear about this.

”……..and they should just go on to the drug store and purchase whatever it is they use to make their black facial hair easier to shave and STFU.”

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ok…ok….that was a good one! And for the record, I don’t have a Viagra nor a black facial hair problem. But your point was well taken.


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Awww, I didn't mean to go off on you, NTFS, but this subject has taken on a life its own and a silly life at that. Don't take my remarks personal. A lot of what I was saying was in response to ABM's contentions, replies I can run with since he has taken a "vow of silence" and can't respond unless, of course, somebody else gives a response that he can piggyback on. snicker. So I won't be surprised if he favors us with some more of his "rebuttals". snort. Anyway, I agree about the insignificance as to whether or not the majority of black men use viagra, and I wouldn't trust any figures on this because I understand viagra is readily available without a prescription and I don't necessarily think that many black men would admit to taking a sexual enhancer if queried about it. heh-heh. Whatever. You're still my "bud." Luv Ya.
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Ntfs_encryption wrote:
Ok. I have not problems with that also. But it nevertheless, it does not negate that fact that the Korean weave/wig shops are making a mint from black women. Again, I’m not judging it but because you may disagree with the tone or the subject does not make it not true.

But all those bilions aren't made by selling just hair extensions and/or wigs. Those businesses sell more than just fake hair.

As I said, I've read that black women do spend a lot more on hair care but never have seen a specific reference to wigs or hair extensions, which has been mentioned more often by Abm and yourself. From another board poster, Kam Williams, here's the introduction of his review, of the documentary, Black Hair (http://www.blackfilm.com/20060630/reviews/blackhair.shtml):

African-Americans spend billions of dollars every year on their hair, whether on wigs and extensions, moisturizers and relaxers, curling irons and hot combs, sheens and gels, scalp and follicle conditioners, shampoos and lotions, or cocoa butter and other oils. In fact, although blacks comprise only 10% of the U.S. population, it is estimated that they consume over three-quarters of the country’s hair care products.

From another review (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/10/28/product_placement/) of the same documentary:

In 2004, sales of black hair- care products exceeded $1.7 billion , according to a report by Mintel International Group, a consumer research company. And that doesn't include the synthetic and human hair additions that are also extremely popular.

Finally, there's a round table discussion from News and Notes, which includes the maker of the documentary at (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6673081)

Portions of the film are avaiable on YouTube, but I am not so sure how reliable his stats are, because in the part 1, the film maker says: AA women spend billions on hair care products and they are 10% of the American population yet account for 70% of wigs and extensions purchased in the US. Now we all know that the entire AA population is around just over 13%, and black women aren't 10%, of the US population, which would mean that black males are about 3% of the US population, and is just wrong. So that definitely raises questions about this 70% figure.

As Cynique, and some others, includes myself, have said over and over, if black women who wear fake hair are considered to be "N*gger in nature", then the same has to be said of black men and non blacks, because they all wear fake hair, too.
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I wondering about this Mintel study, and here's the abstract. I see that they still don't say a thing about how much black women and how much they spend or wear hair wigs and extension.

Black Haircare - US
Mintel International Group Ltd.
June 1, 2005
112 Pages - Pub ID: GN1125030


In an analysis of the black haircare market based solely on FDM sales reported by IRI data, the market would appear to be worth $139 million and seems to have fallen by 11% from 1999 to 2004. However, relying on such sales as a measure of the total market is misleading because they represent about 8% of the market. In reality the black haircare market has risen by 13% over the period, to about $1.7 billion in 2004.

In fact, the period 1999 to 2004 marks a turning point in the evolution of the black haircare market. There have been important acquisitions by major beauty companies, positive growth in both population numbers and spending power of black consumers, and product activity abounds, from new product introductions to relaunches. Big companies are putting money into R&D and marketing, and--the genesis of the market and still a major driver--haircare needs of black consumers differ from those of non-blacks, both culturally and in the physical makeup of the hair itself. The trend towards products based on hair type rather than race/ethnicity may slow growth somewhat, drawing consumers to products not specifically designed for black hair, but will not derail it. Black haircare is a market that is growing and will continue to do so.

Included in Mintel’s definition of black haircare are products specifically manufactured for use by black people, and does not include products made for consumers of any race/ethnicity that are also used by black people.

This report covers haircare products designed and marketed specifically for black consumers. These products include shampoos, conditioners, hair relaxers, styling products like oil moisturizers and pomades, and hair color.

Not included are sales of haircare products marketed exclusively to other ethnic consumers (such as Hispanics). Also excluded are wigs, hairpieces, hair extensions, and hair styling appliances.

Although manufacturer and brand sales are only given for those products sold through food, drug and mass merchandiser chains (excluding Wal-Mart), the market size and retail distribution figures make estimates for other channels such as beauty supply stores, salons, Wal-Mart and the Internet.
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Renata
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1.7 BILLION. And that doesn't include hair, wigs, appliances, or products not marketed exclusively to blacks. In a word: WOW. They probably also don't include products and services purchased at the salon.

I have got to get a piece of that. I can do twists and braids and such things, but I don't know how to add hair and I don't know how to apply chemicals.

This entire subject is making me want to get a hairdresser's license.

I seriously don't care how much money is being spent on the products, it just pisses me off that WE aren't getting the money back in our community, either as business owners, or HECK, not even as factory workers making this stuff.

How many of you know someone working in a hair factory or a relaxer/hairgel/hairgrease factory?

And I won't even lie, if these items were made in Africa instead of Asia, or if more of the beauty supply and product factory owners were black or African instead of Asian, I would be buying up some hecka stuff and not blinking....call me what you will.
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Apropos the specific subject being discussed in this thread, black women who wear their hair "natural" also spend lots of money on shampoos, conditioners, scalp products and even hair-color products.
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That's true, but they're crazy to do so. Natural hair looks nappy no matter the product you use. Shea butter and aloe are about the best products you can use because they're good for the skin also. If you want your hair colored, there's no way to get around buying the product for that.

Natural hair only NEEDS three products.
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Speak for yourself and your own hair texture.
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"As Cynique, and some others, includes myself, have said over and over, if black women who wear fake hair are considered to be "N*gger in nature", then the same has to be said of black men and non blacks, because they all wear fake hair, too."

Really? Well....Ok.....Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

".....because I understand Viagra is readily available without a prescription..."

I wouldn't doubt it but if so, I believe it is black market, illegal and probably not the same quality as the prescription drug. Not saying that would stop people from getting it and selling it. But as I said, it is a "prescription drug" but it seems like they are getting around it. Check out the Internet.

Hell, I remember when I lived in Japan, there was a young brother I meet in physical therapy (we both had identical knee injuries) and he had gotten a hold of a few tablets of Viagra and was trying to sell it! He asked me how much he thought he could get for them. I told him I had no idea. I think he decided to sell it for $5 a tablet (I can't recall). I often wondered how he got a hold of it because at that time, it was a brand new drug (all this Internet drug ordering didn’t exist yet). I'm sure he had some Navy Hospital Corpsmen buddies who hooked him up (he was a civilian working in Japan) becasue that was the only way he could have gotten the drug. And I know he didn't get it from the Japanese, that’s for damn sure. But as you have suggested about the ease of getting these drugs, if you can buy a DEA controlled drug like Oxycodone on the streets, you can buy Viagra. E'nuff said.....

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