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Afroamerican
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Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi, (this post is really aimed at Kola!)

Kola I find you and your work very fasinating. I enjoy your writings as well as admire your honestly. However I do question some of your ideas -which should be fine on a debate board.

What is with the obession with Black Americans- and when I say Black Americans I mean the people who consider themselves of Afro-American descent? You proclaim boldly and eloquently your love for the "pure Black" child and MotherAfrica. So with this thought shouldn't Africa be your 1st concern???

I have noticed this attitude with a lot of Pan-Africanist I meet on messageboards. 90% of their "plans" seem to be centered around the Afro-American community. I cant' understand why! We don't have our own country, nor language, and we "blow" much on our wealth foolishly. More time should be spend on BLACK COUNTRIES such as Hiati or other countries in Africa.

One would think to "save the Black race" one would be "saving Africa" (the "pure/orignal" Black) not Black Americans.

If their is the belief that it is up to the Afro-American community to "save Africa" then will this not lead to a superiority/inferiority belief???
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Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 05:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You should read this board A LOT MORE, because Kola has literally risked life and limb for the people in Africa.

Has traveled to Israel to attain weapons for the Sudanese Army.

I have seen her "obsession" more directed at both the U.S. and Africa.

Considering that she lives in America and is raising black sons in the U.S. and was raised here herself, I can also see why she would be interested in Afro Americans. Basically, she is an Afro American.

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Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 07:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola Boof was on VOICE AMERICA today talking about the death of her leader, John Garang. She seems to be very involved with Africa.

Americans Pay Tribute to John Garang:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/8/prwebxml269258.php



From 2002--Kola Boof "traitor"

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1033267529,62550,.shtm l


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Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To Kola,

The Poem, Choll Apieth" is very touching Kola, God bless you!
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:32 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In hindsight, black Africa and so-called black America are like two totally different worlds. In the past, their orbits crossed. But, at some point in the future, their worlds will collide.
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 10:01 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nels do you care to elaborate on your last statement?

Do you mean because of the African immigration to the US. If so I don't agree!
From what I've noticed on the internet, most African immigrants are VERY willing to give up their African identity to be "Black American". Most Africans are not like Cuban and Mexican Americans who continue to marry their own nationality generation after generation to build up political clout for their home countries.

You'll notice that after a generation of a Nigerian American being here, a full blooded one at that, he'll tell you quickly (especially if he doesn't have an accent like his parents do) that he is "Black American" or African American NOT Nigerian.
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Afroamerican,

I agree with you because when I came to this country as a kid, I noticed the kids from Africa would act "American" and ignored me, the girl from Africa. I think it is a "fitting in" thing. Children that immigrate from Africa come to America and they don't have any friends. And this is tough especially on those kids that get here with accents and so they work to loose their accents and their "African ways" so they could fit in. Remember, nobody likes to be alone and so I don't blame these children when they work to find friendship in this country in some way because there's really not that many African people in this country.

Also, I will have to tell you that this is a childhood experience they have. I believe that when they become adults, they will realize where they belong and it's Africa, with African people. Most of them will know that they're not "Black Americans" but "Africans". Lack of friendship doesn't normally come into the mind of a grown person, so they will not even care if they loose their friendships over being who they are.

But I do agree with you. Some of these kids will get stack here and get used to the culture and marry black Americans. Most Africans aren't like Mexicans and Cubans of course because they're just down the street from America, and many of them pour in every year. There is cities of mostly hispanics in America just like there is cities of mostly black Americans. There is no cities of mostly Nigerians or Ghanians, Kenyans, etc. We're all spreaded out and already different in language and color from Africa. And so, if you put two different African countries in one American small town, they will not get along. There is more South Americans here vs. African immigrants and Africa is a continent.
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL, South America is a continent too..:-) but it's only minutes away from America.. so you see why most Africans tend to become black Americans.
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 05:29 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I understand what you are saying Africanqueen,

however I believe: that strong ethnic/cultures ties will be the thing that saves Black communities around the world!

1.)I notice that non-Black immigrants that come to this country do not DROP their nationality/family ties half as easily! Of course this helps their communities eventually. Their communities/citizens band together, like Cuban and Mexican Americans do and raise holy hell on behave of their homecountries. Imagaine if Nigerians, Ghanians and Hiatians started forming their own communities in America and started demanding foriegn involvement in their prospective countries.(of course the problem is they don't). They eventually get caught up in squabbles in the Afro-American community.

I talk to Pan-Africanist on different messageboards about this exact same idea and they always give me the same stupid reasoning: that if every black person claims to be 'Africans' then that will solve Africa's problems. I actually think it will CAUSE more problems than it will solve. The African continent can NOT be controlled by one man. It needs to be controlled by the PEOPLE..........and not FOREIGN people at that!!! Africa needs people with actually family/ties and IN Africa. Jesse Jackson has no business butting into affairs in Africa (in my opinion). He has very little knowledge of what's going on. I'd like to see more Kenyian-Americans getting together for the sake of Kenya. And Hiatians for Hiati. Afro-Americans need to get together and rethink their way of life altogether.

If everybody would do even the smallest things for their OWN community Black people as a whole would be in a hellava lot better shape! However its seems everyone believes that somebody else most "save them" or at least "help them". How about HELPING ONESELF!?
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 06:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Afroamerican,

If they did not save themselves in Africa, they will not save themselves in America.
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 11:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As one who works in the community, I have mixed emotions about this conversation. We have afterschool literacy programs in three "low income" apartment housing areas and they are all different yet the same. The largest of the three is a community that has many issues. Employment, crime, drug/alcohol use etc., just like many communites accross the country. The thing I have observered over the going on 5 years I have been doing this is SOME people dont know how to get out of the situation they are in no matter the resources available to them. Example. The largest of the communites we serve had a huge storm this past winter and because of it they were given the opportunity to move. They chose to stay. Some received funds to replace furniture and other person effects that amounted upwards of 10,000 and they went through the money in days and are still in the same contitions. They complain daily about the complex yet they could have moved and have the conversation; "Im going to move..next month..". If I had a dollar for everytime I have heard that..well you know. I USED to try to talk to them about ways they could "get out" but it is wasted. They wont do it. So I focus on the children buy calling them Queens and Kings and showing them what listening and doing the best they can in school can do for them. I have some success stories but they are a thimble full in terms of how many children are in communites like these and view the adults who shape them. I dont know the answer and I am a person who tries to find a solution when I see a problem. This is one that is bigger than any of us and the discussion of taking a look at Haiti or some other African folk is not wasted but more than a notion.
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 02:14 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LiLi,

the older ones are afraid to move out because they don't know what they're going to meet on the outside. The don't expect to be accepted by society.

Keep focusing on the children, because the more they see different things, the more they'll understand that things can be different.

I know this from experience.

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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 03:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Afroamerican,

It seems your major complaint is that people are looking to AAs to save Africa and you don't see how this can be done. I don't know if you've visted this board much but Kola has discussed this many times. She believes that AAs are the most influential black people on the planet and that's true. Our styles have been copied by people of all races worldwide and we continue to be the top trend setters. Because of this, we influence non-american blacks in ways that make them want to be like us. Since so many blacks want to be us, we need to change who we are so that our influence will guide others in a more positive direction. If we become better people, then those who want to be us will become better as well.

Again, Kola has discussed this many times and she gives excellent theories on how this could work. You should cruise the board and check-out some of the archives while you're there.

Have Fun.

Tonya
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 09:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"we need to change who we are so that our influence will guide others in a more positive direction"

Others might argue differently.

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Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Tonya
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 01:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You know I have alot of African friends-whether born here or not-and they are very proud of being African and their respective country. There is even a club at my university for Africans (but all are invited). However I see what you are saying in that we shoudl invest more in the welfare of Africa. But I, even as an African American or Black as I like to say, have a hard time connecting to Africa. However this does not mean that I don't want to help the continent. But you know I think some of our black political leaders are too cosyed (sp)up w/ the politics-cough *Democrats* cough-that they are not confronting the issues. WHy does it take the incredible Bono of U2 and the concerts like Live8 to bring attention to the plight of Africa. Could it be that African AMericans are caught up in our own plight here in America?
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 03:33 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Regina,

My experiences with Africans are the complete oppisite. My African friends are only interested in becoming Americans. Sometimes I think that the main reason they're my associates is because I'm an American. When I try to get them to talk about Africa they act as if they're ashamed and uncomfortable. One of the things that drew my attention to Kola and these boards is her willingness to share her experience as an African in great detail.

As for the democrats, I gave up on them during the last primaries. And after Bush was elected for a second term I stopped following politics altogether. I know this is not good, but I'm one of those people who started suffering from major depression the day after the election. Before then I used to be a political junkie. Today I could't tell you if Condi Rice is secretary of state or vice president. Fortunately, I've been able to accept the fact that I won't get over my depression until Bush is out of office.

I'm not surprised that the Dems don't know what to do about Africa because they can't even run their own party, damn bastards.

Anyway, I still think that our only hope to saving Africa is if AAs take advantage of their influence, become more positive, and decide to form an alliance with the Africans here and abroad.

Tonya

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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 08:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Also,

Our black leaders are not just cought up in the democratic party, many of them are the party. Al Sharpton ran for president. Jesse Jackson openly supports the party's policies.The NAACP are clearly in bed with the Dems. Even our new leaders (Barack Obama) are democrats. I doubt if our leaders will ever be separated from politics.

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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 08:39 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Regina asked:

Could it be that African AMericans are caught up in our own plight here in America?


Tonya:

Our alliance with Africa will benefit us as well. Our major problem is that we don't have a core identity. We lost most of who/what we were when we were brought here. If we recoup some of what we lost, we could build on that and ultimately change our plight. Saving Africa is saving ourselves. We need them as much as they need us.

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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 08:42 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I echo Tonya's statement about Africans just wanting to be Americans..............the ones I've met were QUITE EMBARASSED (litterally) to say "I'm African" or "I'm from _________". Because NO ONE, even Africans, want to be "African". I even advoid asking people who actually LOOK West African if they are African (I find myself asking are they "Carribean" b/c that term is less offensive) because I realize now that most people get so offended by "looking African". It seems even men, which is strange b/c men are ALLOWED to look African! Anyway, I met a guy from Nigeria and started asking about his country and what language he spoke and told him when I first met him I thought he looked kinda of African, wellllllllllllll he screamed at me "we're all Black"..............

With all Kola kind words about beloved MotherAfrica I have actually never picked up this "loving" vibe myself from Africans. After witnessing so many of these "I don't look like no African even though I'm straight off the boat" I actually think African leaders should concentrate on Continental Africans and forming UNITY, RESPECT, AND PRIDE in their people before trying to spread something that they know nothing about.

I do NOT believe in Kola's theory that having dark skinned Afro-Americans (which dark skinned to us is Whoopi, which still can not match the African equivelent of the blue black Sudanese) on tv. is going to instill pride back in Blacks worldwide. PRIDE: SHOULD COME AT HOME, NOT FROM 1.) MEN AND WOMEN ACROSS SEAS 2.) NOR FROM A TELEVISION SET

Because of this allusion that "all Blacks are essentially the same" because they claim to be of African descent is a tad bit of stretch. All Blacks are not the same no more than all Whites or Asians are the same. Blacks in different countries have totally different prospective and totally different experiences shaping totally different BELIEFS. I honestly do not believe we will ever become a "people" until we realize as well as acknowledge our "differences"..............

As of now, we continue on this endless cat and mouse game always claiming "the slavemaster brainwashed everyone..............." which is suppose to EXPLAIN obvious DIFFERENCES!
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 08:52 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I also believe in order to save someone else that one must SAVE THEMSELVES! That is the first thing they teach you in lifeguard class!

Afro-Americans have never truly focused on their OWN problem. We also seem to look OUTWARD when we need to start looking INWARD. Instead its always some excuse about "Whites holding down the Black man to stop us" and now its supposely because "we dont' identify with Africa.............."

Give me a break! How about us ADMITTING that we have FLAWS in our culture and start taking the necessary steps to correct them like start boycotting bad behavior, rap music, anti-illerate propagandas/adds........

And I would advise the African community to do the same!

******whoops, that last poster was REGINA not Tonya***********

Anyway, I do not think its a good idea for Afro-Americans to be this "God like figure"(or be rolemodels) for Blacks worldwide. For heavens sake we are humans too!
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 09:13 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Afroamerica:

Give me a break! How about us ADMITTING that we have FLAWS in our culture and start taking the necessary steps to correct them like start boycotting bad behavior, rap music, anti-illerate propagandas/adds........

Tonya:

Identifying with Africa is admitting that we have flaws in our culture.
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 09:59 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry!

But Africans LIVING IN AFRICA KNOW they are AFRICAN!

The MILLIONS of Nigerian, Ghanians, Somalis, etc in America and Europe

KNOW they are African.

However do you believe that alone will cure their aliments?

no.

I believe in less talk & more action! And less exuses (African ones or White ones)..........

In the year 2050 I do not believe Afro-Americans will "get ahead" by simply knowing an African language (what bull)! They will get ahead by businessownership and remaining an educated people! This is the fact of life in an highly industrialized country such as America or Japan. Knowing about your ancestor from 400 years ago as means of "improvement", might work in a 3WORLD/DEVELOPING NATION..................but we live in no "delevoping nation" and we MUST, MUST stay ahead of the game if we are to insure our OWN survival.

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I honestly can't believe that I have to DEFEND that Afro-Americans are a "people" as well as a "community". What do you believe we did for 400 years, just be AFRICAN SLAVES???
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:46 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whoever this AfroAmerican person is,

She said a whole LOT of bullshit that's just too immature for me even to reply to.

I have never in 20 years in the U.S. come across any African who was ashamed to admit they were from Africa---in fact, this country often treats them BETTER than AAs, they get ooohed and awwwed over--so her bullshit comments don't hold water.

And furthermore, I don't see why anyone would be ashamed to be from Africa---it's the richest, most beautiful continent on earth with 50 nations out of which maybe 5 are going through pure hell. Hardly a reason to be ashamed---and I especially people from Nigeria have no reason to be ashamed. Hell, I'm from Sudan, one of the worst, and I'm still proud to be from what was once Nubia/Cush.

Her posts reek of her hostility and dislike for African people---and with her ignorance about how acculturation, self-identity and esteem Manifests--it's a waste of time trying to respond.

So let her talk her shit and I will ignore it. I have too much work to do....for all black people,who to me, are all African.

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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 10:53 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You have to build the person before you can build anything. Knowing who you are (core identity) is the first step to building the person.

Kola's theories on this are so much better then mine, so allow me to repost part of what I posted to you not long ago.


August 07, 3:38pm:

Again, Kola has discussed this many times and she gives excellent theories on how this could work. You should cruise the board and check-out some of the archives while you're there.

Have Fun.

Tonya

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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HAHA!!!

I was writing my post as you were posting yours so I couldn't see your reply until now. If you notice I was trying to swing her in your direction because I was tired of responding to her. I'm going to take a page out of your book and start ignoring people.

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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:06 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I will be the one to sadly inform you that although I enjoy reading Kola's theories and her stories about "living on the Nile" I absolutely have no interest of any 'improvement' of anyone but the AFRO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

I have no desire to be "the big fish in the Black pond" and "ruling" over other Blacks. I have no desire for Afro-Americans to be the "image" of Blacks worldwide! I also believe Nigeria is for Nigerians, Hiati for Hiatians, and Somali for Somalians. In no way do I believe Afro-American opportunist have AUTHORITY over any of these people. They have the POWER to govern themselves!

AGAIN, (LAST TIME) MY CONCERN IS THE AFRO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND ***NOT*** HOW AFRO-AMERICANS CAN CLAIM TO BE "AFRICANS" AND "TAKE OVER" AFRICA FOR AFRICANS (my words, I'm sure Kola put it in a more eloquent/sugarcoated way)!
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Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't worry about "ignoring me" this is my last time posting here!

I realize that I need to start my OWN webpage/group for Afro-Americans, especially Afro-American women!

I believe the Afro-Americans' biggest stregnth is HERSELF! That is what has kept us going this long!

I'm wasting my time talking to people who obviously are NOT part of the community!

Adios amigos!
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Kola: "I have never in 20 years in the U.S. come across any African who was ashamed to admit they were from Africa---in fact, this country often treats them BETTER than AAs, they get ooohed and awwwed over"

This is so so true! Sometimes I wish I was strwsight from Africa cuz it seems that everyone likes them especially in the professional world. ALso the Africans have a whole different work ethic and dedication to education and school that I see in Asians and some whites. I have learned alot from my African friends as well as my Asian friends. Personally I think whites are more comfortable with an African, including an African male, than an African American.

If the AA's are supposed to come together, why do we still persecute each other. Like I've said b/f, I've never really fit in w/ alot of blacks. It started in elementary school. My black schoolmmates made fun of me b/c I talked "white" and talked in complete sentences. Now blacks, especially the LADIES, look down on me cuz I don't party and listen to rap (or they see me as competition for the guys on campus-hey I read this in Essence so my thoughts were true). ANyway, I think blacks need to learn to respect each other and come together in spite of... But sometimes it feels as if I get along more with Africans.
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Afroamerican,

I am going to ask you to attempt to be somewhat rational in your reasoning. Let's momentarily put aside all the bruhaha over what is and isn't Blackness, whether Africans want to be African, whether African and African Americans hate each other, etc. and think PRACTICALLY.

Some of us look at what we suffer as both African American and Africans as a collective problem. After all, we were enslaved because we are Black. Africans were colonized because they are Black.

And, at some point, we African Americans are going to have to look at our situation for a purely numbers standpoint.

We are only 13% of the US population. We have already been surpassed in number by latinos and their numbers BURGEON. There are 1.5 Billion Chinese and 1.0 Billion East Indians who are preparing to take everything we got.

Frankly, we African Americans just DON'T have the either the human capital, political potency, natural resources and MONEY to stop them. Hell. We can't even slow them down.

But Africa, as troubled as it is, has +25X our number in population, the most lush and abounding natural resources imaginable and, unlike us, has the capability to created it's OWN governments, institutions, schools, infrastructure, etc.

Conversely, we reside in the most powerful nation on earth. Because of that, via our history, culture, education, training, imagery, activism and commerce affect events like no other Black people on Earth. We can, with relative ease, effect and inspire the good fortunes of the entire African Diaspora.

So it is in OUR longterm best interests to help make Africa stronger. Because doing so can make US stronger.

If we African American DON'T reconnect with Africa and with a people whom we're more inclined a real, substantive empathy/fidelity with than, say KOREANS, we very well might find ourselves inside of a 100 years OVERWHELMED and WIPEDOUT.
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Regina,

Sure Africans have a different work ethic than many of us. To them, America is a MAJOR upgrade from what was previoulsy available to most of them. To THEM its all opportunity.

We, however, bear the mark of EVERY sin committed by America (save those endured by the Native American). Thus, we're rifed with myriad conflicts about what/whom we are, are suppose to do, ally with and even believe in.

I think if we African Americans are ever to come together and achieve every promise earned by our enslaved, raped and lynched forebears, we're going to have to forgive each other and ourselves for being in the mess that others have made of us and we have made of ourselves.
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ABM sees it exactly as I do.

Which is the REASON that I keep pressuring AAs not to become "too mixed"---because if you retain some "majority" of blackness in your looks, your ways, etc.----then you will have no problem connecting to your homeland when it does rise, and Africa is your birthright.

Eventually, somewhere in Africa, there is going to a nation that rises as a BLACK nation, and it won't be able to do it without lifting up another 5 to 7 African nations. BLACK AMERICANS are already being PAYED BY AFRICA to come over there and help build up the infrastructure, the schools, the African Film Industry. So ABM is right. We are, at the end of the day, BLOOD RELATIVES and have the same "asesthetic" and the same "experiences".

Strategically---our best bet is betting on each other.

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Why do I get the feeling that my African friends are little more down to earth?
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Kola,


I made a statement about your theories on this subject that I may have misinterpreted. I should have known better than to put words in anyone's mouth. I should have made sure it was a direct quote. I apologize for the mistake.

Anyway, here's what I said:

It seems your major complaint is that people are looking to AAs to save Africa and you don't see how this can be done. I don't know if you've visted this board much but Kola has discussed this many times. She believes that AAs are the most influential black people on the planet and that's true. Our styles have been copied by people of all races worldwide and we continue to be the top trend setters. Because of this, we influence non-american blacks in ways that make them want to be like us. Since so many blacks want to be us, we need to change who we are so that our influence will guide others in a more positive direction. If we become better people, then those who want to be us will become better as well.

Tonya


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Tonya, I completely agreed with what you wrote, which is why I didn't respond.

I feel exactly as you wrote.



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The more I read some of these posts...the more cornfused I become. What da HAIL is AfroAmerican's problem
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My opinion:

We need them (Africans) for culture building and identity. They need us (AAs) for our power and influence.

Our "influence" is begining to change them in negative ways. The HipHOP culture and negative portrayals of us in movies inspire some of them to want to be (negative) like many of us.

If we had our own "identity", we could be ourselves instead of the way we were made to be (colorism black-on-black crime drugs ect.) due to our history. With our own identity our culture (and portrayals) would then become more positive.

So, with a more positive culture our influince will be more positive. But we need our own identity (from them) to make a positve culture.

I know it still sounds confusing buts it's really te best that I can do. The bottom line is that we need each other. Since WE and THEM are both the SAME people, it shouldn't be difficult to form an alliance.

Tonya
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Exactly Tanya.

And this is what the whole TRICK has been for 500 years--1,000 years if you count East and North Africa:

If we had our own "identity", we could be ourselves instead of the way we were made to be (colorism black-on-black crime drugs ect.) due to our history. With our own identity our culture (and portrayals) would then become more positive.

They need you to help them destroy the ORIGIN of where you come from.

The more "educated" you become---the harder it is to keep the truth from you.

So they have to kill your real mother (the blue black woman) and her womb (Africa).

And once you kill the ROOT...the tree will die."


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Just like Kola, I am Sudanese and proud! And Afroamerican is totally wrong. My entire family is proud of our origin and we've lived in America for 10 years and still proud to be Sudanese regardless of its condition right now. Even while in the US, we still work for its better future. We love being Africans!

I would think other African families are the same way. Although, I've mentioned before that black Americans hate Africa. But the truth is, nobody shows the best part about Africa and being African on television. But Africa really is the best place on earth!
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It would be sad if Africans hate Africa. Then there will be no reason for them being in the US and claiming being from Africa. AAs need us so that we may educate them about Africa, a place that is real and full of life and not some lie.
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